BOYCOTT BUDWEISER!!!
lac...@webtv.net
LISTEN UP GAY BARTENDERS and BAR/CLUB OWNERS!!
DON'T ORDER BUDWEISER!!! DON'T SERVE BUDWEISER!!
If you come out as being Gay while working for Anheuser-Busch, Inc.,
expect to be terminated.
Anheuser Busch Inc. argues in court papers that an EMPLOYEE FIRED BECAUSE
HE IS GAY, HAS NO RIGHT TO BRING A LAWSUIT for wrongful termination.
Budweiser states, in court documents: BEING GAY IS A "FREE CHOICE" AND
NOT A CIVIL RIGHT" protected from discrimination in the workplace in the
state of California. [If that's their attitude, then belonging to a
particular religion SHOULD NOT be a protected right, because most people
choose their religion, plus many people "change" their religion
everyday.]
According to testimony from Human Resources Manager, Bob Warner,,
Anheuser Busch Inc.'s internal investigation confirmed that
ANHEUSER-BUSCH EMPLOYEE'S "USE THE TERM 'F@G' or 'F-GG-T' IN A SHOP TALK
MANNER" at the Los Angeles Brewery.
Manager Bruce Borst testified at his desposition he heard the word f-g
used at Anheuser-Busch AT LEAST 100 TIMES in his presence.
Manager Zane Pickney testified at his desposition that "f-g" could be
used in fashion that is not derogatory towards anyone, and proceed to
highlight some acceptable uses of the word.
Human Resources Manager Bob Warner testified at his desposition that NO
EMPLOYEE HAS EVER BEEN DISCIPLINED AT THE ANHEUSER-BUSCH WORKPLACE FOR
USING INAPPROPRIATE LANGUAGE TO REFER TO GAY'S & LESBIANS.
Anheuser-Busch Inc. is fighting to stop a sexual orientation case against
it from going foward to trial. It has appealed to higher courts to
prevent this case from being heard.
It's amazing how Budweiser can treat us like this after all the years
that we in the Gay community have purchased and drank their stuff in
bars, dance clubs, and in our homes.
GAY BARS SHALL BE BUDWEISER FREE!!!!
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lac...@webtv.net
LISTEN UP GAY BARTENDERS and BAR/CLUB OWNERS!!
DON'T ORDER BUDWEISER!!! DON'T SERVE BUDWEISER!!
If you come out as being Gay while working for Anheuser-Busch, Inc.,
expect to be terminated.
Anheuser Busch Inc. argues in court papers that an EMPLOYEE FIRED BECAUSE
HE IS GAY, HAS NO RIGHT TO BRING A LAWSUIT for wrongful termination.
Budweiser states, in court documents: BEING GAY IS A "FREE CHOICE" AND
NOT A CIVIL RIGHT" protected from discrimination in the workplace in the
state of California. [If that's their attitude, then belonging to a
particular religion SHOULD NOT be a protected right, because most people
choose their religion, plus many people "change" their religion
everyday.]
According to testimony from Human Resources Manager, Bob Warner, Anheuser
Mike Silverman
> Budweiser states, in court documents: BEING GAY IS A "FREE CHOICE" AND
> NOT A CIVIL RIGHT" protected from discrimination in the workplace in the
> state of California.
The interesting thing is that the State of Califnornia has a law on the
books that makes it illegal to be discriminated against in employment due
to sexual orientation.
Assuming what you posted is true, I'd say that Budweiser needs to find a
better lawyer, at least one who actually knows the law in the state he is
practicing in.
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http://www.turnleft.com/personal
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Nicholas Santoro
lac...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> LISTEN UP GAY BARTENDERS and BAR/CLUB OWNERS!!
>
> DON'T ORDER BUDWEISER!!! DON'T SERVE BUDWEISER!!
>
> If you come out as being Gay while working for Anheuser-Busch, Inc.,
> expect to be terminated.
Filthy GAY DEMON Verbage terminated.
WHO CARES you should be terminated...stay the fuck in the closet you
faggot.
also DISNEY is now crying because the Baptist boycot is killing their
buisness..\
to hell with you fags thats where you are going
OinK! ~(^@^)~
Nicholas Santoro wrote:
> Filthy GAY DEMON Verbage terminated.
>
> WHO CARES you should be terminated...stay the fuck in the closet you
> faggot.
>
> also DISNEY is now crying because the Baptist boycot is killing their
> buisness..\
> to hell with you fags thats where you are going
Oh yeah---Eisner was in tears on 60 Minutes tonight---tears of LAUGHTER
looking at that BLUBBER NECK Baptist guy with Sprayed-On Hair. At least
now we sane people don't have to look at the SoBaps at Disney wearing
those "I'm With Stupid-->" T-Shirts as they beat the crap out of their
kids.
Oh yeah, and my stock in Disney is robust....record profits this
quarter..On Friday alone my family made close to $6K in Disney gains
alone!!!!(( WALT DISNEY CO (NYSE:DIS) - Last Trade 4:24PM · 94 3/4
Change +4 1/16 (+4.48%) ))
Eat your heart out Nicky...we dont want your kind at Disney anyway, and
we got our wish.
RevOinK!
curnon
This is truly an histerical post. Disney is "crying" because the have
lost business. Do you read the paper or watch the news? Disney is
reporting record profits. Michael Eisner was on 60 minutes tonight and
did not make an apology for his choice.
Disney is not being hurt. Budweiser probably will not be hurt either.
People purchase what they like and what is cheap.
Curnon
Nicholas Santoro wrote:
> lac...@webtv.net wrote:
> >
> > LISTEN UP GAY BARTENDERS and BAR/CLUB OWNERS!!
> >
> > DON'T ORDER BUDWEISER!!! DON'T SERVE BUDWEISER!!
> >
> > If you come out as being Gay while working for Anheuser-Busch, Inc.,
> > expect to be terminated.
>
L. Michael Roberts
Nicholas Santoro wrote:
>
> lac...@webtv.net wrote:
> >
> > LISTEN UP GAY BARTENDERS and BAR/CLUB OWNERS!!
> >
> > DON'T ORDER BUDWEISER!!! DON'T SERVE BUDWEISER!!
> >
> > If you come out as being Gay while working for Anheuser-Busch, Inc.,
> > expect to be terminated.
>
> Filthy GAY DEMON Verbage terminated.
>
> WHO CARES you should be terminated...stay the fuck in the closet you
> faggot.
>
> also DISNEY is now crying because the Baptist boycot is killing their
> buisness..\
> to hell with you fags thats where you are going
Killing their business??? I guess you did not read the post about how
Disney's profits are up [again] this quarter.... or that many Southern
Baptisis are not supporting the boycott... and even preaching against
it!
+====================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
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If you PHAGGS had your way you would have "Jack Shacks" and "Blow
Rooms" all over disney land. It would not surprise me one bit to see you
faggots at disney trying to pick up little boys.
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Nicholas Santoro
OinK! ~(^@^)~ wrote:
>
> Nicholas Santoro wrote:
> > Filthy GAY DEMON Verbage terminated.
> >
> > WHO CARES you should be terminated...stay the fuck in the closet you
> > faggot.
> >
> > also DISNEY is now crying because the Baptist boycot is killing their
> > buisness..\
> > to hell with you fags thats where you are going
>
> looking at that BLUBBER NECK Baptist guy with Sprayed-On Hair. At least
> now we sane people don't have to look at the SoBaps at Disney wearing
> those "I'm With Stupid-->" T-Shirts as they beat the crap out of their
> kids.
>
> Oh yeah, and my stock in Disney is robust....record profits this
> quarter..On Friday alone my family made close to $6K in Disney gains
> alone!!!!(( WALT DISNEY CO (NYSE:DIS) - Last Trade 4:24PM · 94 3/4
> Change +4 1/16 (+4.48%) ))
>
> Eat your heart out Nicky...we dont want your kind at Disney anyway, and
> we got our wish.
>
> RevOinK!
WE ? DISNEY? What are you Mr Disney FAGG BOY? The one wearing the
stupid shirt was the 2 PHAGS on 60 minutes wearing a red shirt holding
hands in public. they were a true divining rod for the lightning of god.
Nicholas Santoro
curnon wrote:
>
> This is truly an histerical post. Disney is "crying" because the have
> lost business. Do you read the paper or watch the news? Disney is
> reporting record profits. Michael Eisner was on 60 minutes tonight and
> did not make an apology for his choice.
> Disney is not being hurt. Budweiser probably will not be hurt either.
> People purchase what they like and what is cheap.
> Curnon
>
>
> > lac...@webtv.net wrote:
> > >
> > > LISTEN UP GAY BARTENDERS and BAR/CLUB OWNERS!!
> > >
> > > DON'T ORDER BUDWEISER!!! DON'T SERVE BUDWEISER!!
> > >
> > > If you come out as being Gay while working for Anheuser-Busch, Inc.,
> > > expect to be terminated.
> >
> >
> > WHO CARES you should be terminated...stay the fuck in the closet you
> > faggot.
> >
> > also DISNEY is now crying because the Baptist boycot is killing their
> > buisness..\
> > to hell with you fags thats where you are going
Eisner also said that for every 100 bucks people do NOT spend in FAG
LAND they loose 100,000 dollars. They want to support ABC and ellen but
they dont want to say it to the camera that evil jew was sweet talking
the cbs cameras, talking out of his anus, and yet not supporting his
FILTHY show ellen. He says also that the Ellen coming out show was not
for him, but that he understands why America supports it... He is a fool
MOST of america does NOT support that filthy lifestyle or show,
lac...@webtv.net
In article <cubsfan-ya0240800...@207.126.101.83>,
cub...@cjnetworks.com (Mike Silverman) wrote:
> Assuming what you posted is true,
I got this source of Info from the November 18th New York Village Voice.
> I'd say that Budweiser needs to find a better > lawyer, at least one who actually knows the
> law in the state he is practicing in.
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lac...@webtv.net
In article <3478FD...@tci.net>,
wise...@tci.net wrote:
> Filthy GAY DEMON Verbage terminated.
> WHO CARES you should be terminated...stay the > fuck in the closet you faggot.
> also DISNEY is now crying because the Baptist > boycot is killing their buisness..\ to hell
> with you fags thats where you are going
Oh, now you're becoming hostile and Unchristianlike, and I didn't even
post this article in the Christian newsgroups (or any other non-Gay
newsgroup).
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L. Michael Roberts
Nicholas Santoro wrote:
>
> curnon wrote:
> >
> > This is truly an histerical post. Disney is "crying" because the have
> > lost business. Do you read the paper or watch the news? Disney is
> > reporting record profits. Michael Eisner was on 60 minutes tonight and
> > did not make an apology for his choice.
> > Disney is not being hurt. Budweiser probably will not be hurt either.
> > People purchase what they like and what is cheap.
> > Curnon
> >
> > Nicholas Santoro wrote:
> >
> > > lac...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > >
> > > > LISTEN UP GAY BARTENDERS and BAR/CLUB OWNERS!!
> > > >
> > > > DON'T ORDER BUDWEISER!!! DON'T SERVE BUDWEISER!!
> > > >
> > > > If you come out as being Gay while working for Anheuser-Busch, Inc.,
> > > > expect to be terminated.
> > >
> > >
> > > WHO CARES you should be terminated...stay the fuck in the closet you
> > > faggot.
> > >
> > > also DISNEY is now crying because the Baptist boycot is killing their
> > > buisness..\
> > > to hell with you fags thats where you are going
>
> LAND they loose 100,000 dollars.
WRONG!!!! It was one of the representatives of the Southern Baptists
who gave this figure on how the boycott would 'hurt' Disney!
> They want to support ABC and ellen but
> they dont want to say it to the camera that evil jew was sweet talking
> the cbs cameras, talking out of his anus, and yet not supporting his
> FILTHY show ellen. He says also that the Ellen coming out show was not
> for him, but that he understands why America supports it... He is a fool
> MOST of america does NOT support that filthy lifestyle or show,
If I remember correctly, the 'Coming Out' episode of Ellen had the
highest ratings of any TV show that week... so I guess people were 'not
supporting' the show by tuning in and watching.
L. Michael Roberts
Nicholas Santoro wrote:
>
> OinK! ~(^@^)~ wrote:
> >
> > Nicholas Santoro wrote:
> > >
> > > WHO CARES you should be terminated...stay the fuck in the closet you
> > > faggot.
> > >
> > > also DISNEY is now crying because the Baptist boycot is killing their
> > > buisness..\
> > > to hell with you fags thats where you are going
> >
> > looking at that BLUBBER NECK Baptist guy with Sprayed-On Hair. At least
> > now we sane people don't have to look at the SoBaps at Disney wearing
> > those "I'm With Stupid-->" T-Shirts as they beat the crap out of their
> > kids.
> >
> > Oh yeah, and my stock in Disney is robust....record profits this
> > quarter..On Friday alone my family made close to $6K in Disney gains
> > alone!!!!(( WALT DISNEY CO (NYSE:DIS) - Last Trade 4:24PM · 94 3/4
> > Change +4 1/16 (+4.48%) ))
> >
> > Eat your heart out Nicky...we dont want your kind at Disney anyway, and
> > we got our wish.
> >
> > RevOinK!
>
> WE ? DISNEY? What are you Mr Disney FAGG BOY? The one wearing the
> stupid shirt was the 2 PHAGS on 60 minutes wearing a red shirt holding
> hands in public. they were a true divining rod for the lightning of god.
FYI... ALL the people wearing red shirts in the clip of Gay Day at
Disney were gay [OK there may have been a very few heteros wearing red
shirts that were unaware that gays were requested by the organisers to
wear red shirts so as to increase the visibility of gays in the park].
lac...@webtv.net
In article <34797C...@tci.net>,
wise...@tci.net wrote:
> Eisner also said that for every 100 bucks
> people do NOT spend in FAG LAND they loose
> 100,000 dollars. They want to support ABC and > ellen but they dont want to say it to the
> camera that evil jew
What does Eisner's religion and ethnicity have to do with this???? Why
couldn't you just say "that evil man"??? You have just proved that
wherever you find an Anti-Gay bigot, you will usually also find a Racist
and a Anti-Semite. (You're the second one in the past 2 weeks to to bash
Jews while bashing Gays).
Christians have the NERVE to talk about Farrakahn. GO LOOK IN THE MIRROR!!
> was sweet talking the cbs cameras, talking out > of his anus, and yet not supporting his FILTHY > show ellen. He says also that the Ellen
> coming out show was not for him, but that he
> understands why America supports it... He is a > fool MOST of america does NOT support that
> filthy lifestyle or show,
How do you know? Did you go out and do a poll of Americans to see who
likes it, who doesn't like it, or who doesn't care wether Ellen is on or
not??
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OinK! ~(^@^)~
Nicholas Santoro wrote:
> WE ? DISNEY? What are you Mr Disney FAGG BOY? The one wearing the
> stupid shirt was the 2 PHAGS on 60 minutes wearing a red shirt holding
> hands in public. they were a true divining rod for the lightning of >god.
No--I'm not a Disney but 'we' (my biological family) have a nice chunk
of Disney stock---guess that allows me to say 'we' (more than, say,
you). We also have tons of US AIRWAYS (Former USAir), UAL,
Berkshire-Hathaway (Class A, not the lower priced 'B' issues),
McGraw-Hill (REALLY tons of THAT!!!!), AT&T, Lucent and ALL the 'Baby
Bells', Telcom, TCI (thanks for using us, Nick!!), PepsiCo, Tricon,
Microsoft, Spelling Entertainment, Yahoo, Cinergi Pictures and Netscape.
We bought Disney in the 70's at under $10 a share, and most of the older
stuff we have had since the 60's. If you'd like a listing of our bonds
I'll have to give the guy at JP Morgan a call...
Needless to say ,we LIVE on capital gains and dividends. AND SOME OF US
ARE GAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As far as the gays in the red T-shirts go, I'll have to agree with you;
even in the gay community, at times there is no accounting for taste.
Rev OinK!
Church Of The Pompous Trust Fund Quuen
Rev. Billy
Nicholas Santoro <wise...@tci.net> wrote:
>Eisner also said that for every 100 bucks people do NOT spend in FAG
>LAND they loose 100,000 dollars. They want to support ABC and ellen but
>the cbs cameras, talking out of his anus, and yet not supporting his
>FILTHY show ellen. He says also that the Ellen coming out show was not
>for him, but that he understands why America supports it... He is a fool
>MOST of america does NOT support that filthy lifestyle or show,
1: back to 4th grade math
2: your an idiot
3: your going to Disneyland
and..OPPS !.. you left your twisted cross on, your badmouthing "jews"
again, remember your trying desperately to NOT look like a Nazi again.
L. Michael Roberts
OinK! ~(^@^)~ wrote:
<snip>
> Rev OinK!
> Church Of The Pompous Trust Fund Quuen
ROFL!!!
Victor Eijkhout
Nicholas Santoro <wise...@tci.net> writes:
> [...] ..stay the fuck in the closet you
> faggot.
Nicky baby, you followed up to something appearing only in 3
obviously gay newsgroups. What are you doing there?
Victor.
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Nicholas Santoro
> Church Of The Pompous Trust Fund Quuen
You can have all the money in the world and it will not buy you one
drop of water to quench your never ending thirst in HELL, which where
you and all of your ILK are headed... GOD HATES YOU< He reviles you , he
vomits you
Nicholas Santoro
L. Michael Roberts wrote:
>
> Nicholas Santoro wrote:
> >
> > curnon wrote:
> > >
> > > This is truly an histerical post. Disney is "crying" because the have
> > > lost business. Do you read the paper or watch the news? Disney is
> > > reporting record profits. Michael Eisner was on 60 minutes tonight and
> > > did not make an apology for his choice.
> > > Disney is not being hurt. Budweiser probably will not be hurt either.
> > > People purchase what they like and what is cheap.
> > > Curnon
> > >
> > > Nicholas Santoro wrote:
> > >
> > > > lac...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > LISTEN UP GAY BARTENDERS and BAR/CLUB OWNERS!!
> > > > >
> > > > > DON'T ORDER BUDWEISER!!! DON'T SERVE BUDWEISER!!
> > > > >
> > > > > If you come out as being Gay while working for Anheuser-Busch, Inc.,
> > > > > expect to be terminated.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > faggot.
> > > >
> > > > also DISNEY is now crying because the Baptist boycot is killing their
> > > > buisness..\
> > > > to hell with you fags thats where you are going
> >
> > LAND they loose 100,000 dollars.
>
> who gave this figure on how the boycott would 'hurt' Disney!
>
> > they dont want to say it to the camera that evil jew was sweet talking
> > the cbs cameras, talking out of his anus, and yet not supporting his
> > FILTHY show ellen. He says also that the Ellen coming out show was not
> > for him, but that he understands why America supports it... He is a fool
> > MOST of america does NOT support that filthy lifestyle or show,
>
> highest ratings of any TV show that week... so I guess people were 'not
> supporting' the show by tuning in and watching.
>
> This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
> Burlington, Ont, Canada - to reply, remove '0spam' from my address
> +====================================================================+
I dont give a SHIT about the ratings it was like a car accident...
everyone wanted to see it like a carnival FREAK SHOW!! the show is full
of toilet droppings
Billy S Halsey
Nicholas Santoro wrote in message <347A1F...@tci.net> about the =
"Ellen" coming out episode...
> I dont give a SHIT about the ratings it was like a car accident...
>everyone wanted to see it like a carnival FREAK SHOW!! the show is full
>of toilet droppings
Nick,
Just one question. Did you watch the show?
Billy H.
OinK! ~(^@^)~
Nicholas Santoro wrote:
>
> You can have all the money in the world and it will not buy you one
> drop of water to quench your never ending thirst in HELL, which where
> you and all of your ILK are headed... GOD HATES YOU< He reviles you , he
> vomits you
Big deal...I'll have to settle for Dom Perignon.
RevOinK!
OinK! ~(^@^)~
Rev. Cactus Pete wrote:
>
> [Image]
:::::::::spewing yet another Fresca[tm] on the monitor::::::::
RevOinK!
Ward Stewart
fNicholas Santoro <wise...@tci.net> wrote:
>~curnon wrote:
>~>
>~> This is truly an histerical post. Disney is "crying" because the have
>~> lost business. Do you read the paper or watch the news? Disney is
>~> reporting record profits. Michael Eisner was on 60 minutes tonight and
>~> did not make an apology for his choice.
>~> Disney is not being hurt. Budweiser probably will not be hurt either.
>~> People purchase what they like and what is cheap.
>~> Curnon
>~>
>~> Nicholas Santoro wrote:
>~>
>~> > lac...@webtv.net wrote:
>~> > >
>~> > > LISTEN UP GAY BARTENDERS and BAR/CLUB OWNERS!!
>~> > >
>~> > > DON'T ORDER BUDWEISER!!! DON'T SERVE BUDWEISER!!
>~> > >
>~> > > If you come out as being Gay while working for Anheuser-Busch, Inc.,
>~> > > expect to be terminated.
>~> >
>~> > Filthy GAY DEMON Verbage terminated.
>~> >
>~> > WHO CARES you should be terminated...stay the fuck in the closet you
>~> > faggot.
>~> >
>~> > also DISNEY is now crying because the Baptist boycot is killing their
>~> > buisness..\
>~> > to hell with you fags thats where you are going
>~Eisner also said that for every 100 bucks people do NOT spend in FAG
>~LAND they loose 100,000 dollars. They want to support ABC and ellen but
This is simply an invention, and a malicious and stupid one as well --
I heard the interview and the above was, quite simply NOT SAID.
>~they dont want to say it to the camera that evil jew was sweet talking
AAAH, here we go with the "evil Jew" --- scratch a primitive Christian
and the homophobe pops out along with the anti-semite and the liar.
One can only suppose that you have adopted Buddy B's version of
telling the truth ----
Buddy on false witness -
"1 : attestation of a fact or event : TESTIMONY one that gives
evidence;
specifically: one who testifies in a cause or before a judicial
tribunal
[Merriam-Webster Collegiate Dictionary]
"Hence, a false witness is one who is guilty of breaking a sworn oath
in a court of law in which he/she vowed to tell the truth."
Who but our own Buddy B. now joined in lying by Nicky!
>~the cbs cameras, talking out of his anus, and yet not supporting his
>~FILTHY show ellen. He says also that the Ellen coming out show was not
>~for him, but that he understands why America supports it... He is a fool
>~MOST of america does NOT support that filthy lifestyle or show,
Time will tell -- actually, I suspect that even more of America does
not support lying.
ward
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with homosexuality -- not unlike disagreeing with Tuesday --
like it or not, every seven days, there it is -- TUESDAY.
uncle ward
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curnon
Nicholas Santoro wrote:
> OinK! ~(^@^)~ wrote:
> >
> > Nicholas Santoro wrote:
> >
> > > WE ? DISNEY? What are you Mr Disney FAGG BOY? The one wearing the
> > > stupid shirt was the 2 PHAGS on 60 minutes wearing a red shirt holding
> > > hands in public. they were a true divining rod for the lightning of >god.
> >
> > No--I'm not a Disney but 'we' (my biological family) have a nice chunk
> > of Disney stock---guess that allows me to say 'we' (more than, say,
> > you). We also have tons of US AIRWAYS (Former USAir), UAL,
> > Berkshire-Hathaway (Class A, not the lower priced 'B' issues),
> > McGraw-Hill (REALLY tons of THAT!!!!), AT&T, Lucent and ALL the 'Baby
> > Bells', Telcom, TCI (thanks for using us, Nick!!), PepsiCo, Tricon,
> > Microsoft, Spelling Entertainment, Yahoo, Cinergi Pictures and Netscape.
> > We bought Disney in the 70's at under $10 a share, and most of the older
> > stuff we have had since the 60's. If you'd like a listing of our bonds
> > I'll have to give the guy at JP Morgan a call...
> >
> > Needless to say ,we LIVE on capital gains and dividends. AND SOME OF US
> > ARE GAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > As far as the gays in the red T-shirts go, I'll have to agree with you;
> > even in the gay community, at times there is no accounting for taste.
> >
> > Rev OinK!
> > Church Of The Pompous Trust Fund Quuen
>
> You can have all the money in the world and it will not buy you one
> drop of water to quench your never ending thirst in HELL, which where
> you and all of your ILK are headed... GOD HATES YOU< He reviles you , he
> vomits you
With all that hate in your heart I do not know how there is room for Jesus.
but all you have to do is open your heart to Jesus and he will fill you with
love.
Curnon
Richard Jasper
Brandon Burt (Brando...@m.cc.utah.edu) wrote:
: The only bad thing about going to Disneyland used to be having to look at
: the gross redneck Baptists with their unwashed children who used to hang out
: there ... now even that problem has been removed! Keep it up! Maybe next we
: can get them to stop going to the movies!
How many putdowns can you shove into one sentence? Most of my relatives on
my mother's side are rednecks of one sort or another, i.e., they're white,
not well-educated, working class, and have thick Southern accents. Which,
aside from the accent, is a perfectly apt description of my partner
Jeremy's relatives, 99 % of whom live in Utah. Ditto, the Southern
Baptists are the largest Protestant denomination in the United States;
there are plenty of well-educated, well-groomed, well-spoken, liberal
minded Southern Baptists, including former President Jimmy Carter.
Exchanging one form of bigotry for another is NOT a pleasant sight.
rpj
Jose Chung
<major snip>
Given the large number of homosexuals that were in the Nazi leadership
during WWII (including, perhaps, Hitler himself), I think an argument
can be made that most anti-Semites (and anti-Christians)tend to either
practice homosexuality, or see nothing wrong with it. This, of course,
makes sense seeing as how most homosexuals probably woudn't subscribe to
the teachings of Judaism or Christianity anyway (at least, not without
significant distortion).
Ward Stewart
lac...@webtv.net wrote:
>~In article <34797C...@tci.net>,
>~ wise...@tci.net wrote:
>~> Eisner also said that for every 100 bucks
>~> people do NOT spend in FAG LAND they loose
>~> 100,000 dollars. They want to support ABC and > ellen but they dont want to say it to the
>~> camera that evil jew
>~What does Eisner's religion and ethnicity have to do with this???? Why
>~couldn't you just say "that evil man"??? You have just proved that
>~wherever you find an Anti-Gay bigot, you will usually also find a Racist
>~and a Anti-Semite. (You're the second one in the past 2 weeks to to bash
>~Jews while bashing Gays).
>~Christians have the NERVE to talk about Farrakahn. GO LOOK IN THE MIRROR!!
I have very little sympathy for or interest in the doings of Louis
Farrakhan anti-semite, homophobe and racist that he clearly is!
HOWEVER, a year or so ago he appeared on the TV news with a copy of a
magazine cover which spoke of "Angry White Men." With the broadest of
smiles he was able to ask, "what are THEY angry about?"
a fair question and tellingly asked!
lac...@webtv.net
In article <347B02...@chung.com>,
wa...@chung.com wrote:
> Given the large number of homosexuals that
> were in the Nazi leadership during WWII
> (including, perhaps, Hitler himself), I think > an argument can be made that most anti-Semites > (and anti-Christians)tend to either practice
> homosexuality, or see nothing wrong with it.
LIES LIES LIES! Gays were put into Concentration camps with the Jews
because Hitler (who was straight, or lived straight) thought that Gays
were "sick" (explain the origin of the pink triangle).
> This, of course, makes sense seeing as how
> most homosexuals probably woudn't subscribe to
> the teachings of Judaism or Christianity
Most Heterosexuals don't subscribe to the teachings of Judaism and
Christianity. So Whats your point??
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Surely you are not serious posting such Piffle. Are you aware of the
identification patches that were worn by inmates in the Nazi concentration
camps? A yellow star of David (two yellow triangles sown on 180 degress
apart to make the symbol) for Jews, a yellow triangle for half jews or
mixed jewish ancestry, a brown triange for Gypsies or Jehovah's Witnessess,
a green triange for 'common' criminals (the majority of which were arrested
for violating Germany's Cannabis laws) and pink triangles for
HOMOSEXUALS... So exactly, Zippy, how is it that the Nazis approved of
Homosexuality. Inquiring minds want to know. And if you'd read a bit more
of your history... assuming that you can read naturally, you would know
that Ernst Rolm, the head of the S.A., was killed on the "Night of the Long
Knives". One of the justifications for murdering him was the fact that he
was a homosexual. So, exactly how did the Nazis not see anything wrong with
it?
Jose Chung <wa...@chung.com> wrote in article <347B02...@chung.com>...
> <major snip>
>
> Given the large number of homosexuals that were in the Nazi leadership
> during WWII (including, perhaps, Hitler himself), I think an argument
> can be made that most anti-Semites (and anti-Christians)tend to either
> practice homosexuality, or see nothing wrong with it. This, of course,
> makes sense seeing as how most homosexuals probably woudn't subscribe to
Ward Stewart
Jose Chung <wa...@chung.com> wrote:
>~<major snip>
>~Given the large number of homosexuals that were in the Nazi leadership
>~during WWII (including, perhaps, Hitler himself), I think an argument
>~can be made that most anti-Semites (and anti-Christians)tend to either
>~practice homosexuality, or see nothing wrong with it. This, of course,
>~makes sense seeing as how most homosexuals probably woudn't subscribe to
>~the teachings of Judaism or Christianity anyway (at least, not without
>~significant distortion).
Every time I read a post like the above gem from "Jose Chung," I am
suffused with gratitude at how clearly our enemies reveal themselves
as utter fools, running on empty, and tossing irrelevance and
delusions in every direction.
Keep it up -- with opposition as patently loopy as yours we can hardly
fail to prevail in thie civil=rights struggle.
thank you
Kelly Holmes
Richard Jasper wrote:
> Exchanging one form of bigotry for another is NOT a pleasant sight.
--
Visit Kelly's Scrumdiddlyumptious Scrabble Site
http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/2639/index.html
OinK! ~(^@^)~
Brandon Burt wrote:
>
> Kelly Holmes wrote in message <347B6A...@natinst.com>...
> >>Richard Jasper wrote:
> >>
> >>> Exchanging one form of bigotry for another is NOT a pleasant sight.
> >>
> >>My thoughts Exactly, Richard.
>
> intolerance? I don't mind saying, every time I see some wacko bigot spewing
> anti-gay hatred it sickens me. I wouldn't want my children around people
> like that. If people can't play nice, they don't belong in society.
>
> -Brandon Burt
Yes---where are these Kellys and Jaspers when the Xtians and OTHER
Hatemongers post THEIR billets-doux? Perhaps they are one in the same??
RevOink
Pround To Be Politically Incorrect!
OinK! ~(^@^)~
JTEM
Jose Chung (wa...@chung.com) lied:
: Given the large number of homosexuals that were in the Nazi leadership
: during WWII
Name them. State your sources.
: (including, perhaps, Hitler himself),
There is plenty of evidence that Hitler was straight. The woman that he
eventualy married was kept secret all through the war. Those close to him
knew of her but he was careful not to reveal her in public. This is the
exact opposite behavior we would expect from a closeted homosexual.
Hitler was romantically linked to another women, his own cousin. She died
(an apparent suicide) before the war.
Hitler is said to have propositioned a number of women.
Hitler was a heterosexual.
John
JTEM
Eric Kelso (emk...@ingr.com) wrote:
: assuming that you can read naturally, you would know
: that Ernst Rolm, the head of the S.A., was killed on the "Night of the Long
: Knives". One of the justifications for murdering him was the fact that he
: was a homosexual. So, exactly how did the Nazis not see anything wrong with
: it?
It is *extremely* unlikely that he was a homosexual and there is no
evidence to support such a notion. If he had been gay then Hitler
CERTAINLY would have had reason enough to eliminate him without resorting
to murder. The night of the long knives was a political act, a purge. The
after-the-fact use of rumors of homosexuality, used to discredit a then
still popular figur,e provides POWERFUL and COMPELLING evidence for the
fact that the Nazis did not tolerate homosexuality within their ranks.
John
Christopher W. Chase
> Brandon Burt wrote:
> >
> > Kelly Holmes wrote in message <347B6A...@natinst.com>...
> > >>Richard Jasper wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Exchanging one form of bigotry for another is NOT a pleasant sight.
> > >>
> > >>My thoughts Exactly, Richard.
> >
> > Oh, give me a break. Since when did it become necessary to be tolerant
of
> > intolerance? I don't mind saying, every time I see some wacko bigot
spewing
> > anti-gay hatred it sickens me. I wouldn't want my children around
people
> > like that. If people can't play nice, they don't belong in society.
> >
> > -Brandon Burt
>
Oh, this is cute...its the " you're intolerant of intolerance, therefore
you're
a bigot" argument...Also knows as "I'm a bigot, but so are you, since you
automatically reject bigotry."
Being "tolerant of intolerance" is like having a "tyranny of justice."
Doesn't make sense....not a coherent concept...just another linguistic
diaper full of......
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Allen F. Bagwell
That is what I thought, too. And I would have to conclude that after
watching Millennium and the X-Files last Friday night, if Jose Chung
were a real author, whacky fundamentalists would also be in his line
of fire for another bestseller.
I mean just look at how the Chung savaged the beliefs of the Church of
Scientology and UFO conspirators... He's a merciless critic of
beliefs which JUST DON'T ADD UP.
Not to mention that the show Millennium itself has pursued many a
screwed-in-the-head Bible believer out killing because they believed
themselves to be working for the greater glory of God.
Allen
"Brandon Burt" <Brando...@m.cc.utah.edu> wrote:
>This would be the "Jose Chung" as in Charles Nelson Reilly's character on
>X-Files and Millenium? Go home Phelps.
>
>-Brandon Burt
>
>Jose Chung wrote in message <347B02...@chung.com>...
>><major snip>
>>
>>Given the large number of homosexuals that were in the Nazi leadership
>>during WWII (including, perhaps, Hitler himself), I think an argument
>>can be made that most anti-Semites (and anti-Christians)tend to either
>>practice homosexuality, or see nothing wrong with it. This, of course,
>>makes sense seeing as how most homosexuals probably woudn't subscribe to
>>the teachings of Judaism or Christianity anyway (at least, not without
>>significant distortion).
>
>
Kelly Holmes
Brandon Burt wrote:
> Brandon Burt wrote:
> >The only bad thing about going to Disneyland used to be having to look at
> >the gross redneck Baptists with their unwashed children who used to hang out
> >there ... now even that problem has been removed! Keep it up! Maybe next we
> >can get them to stop going to the movies!
>
> intolerance? I don't mind saying, every time I see some wacko bigot spewing
> anti-gay hatred it sickens me. I wouldn't want my children around people
> like that. If people can't play nice, they don't belong in society.
Well, there's nothing wrong with being sickened by intolerance. I am,
too. However, I try to stay away from making broad generalizations about
a certain group of people.
You are sickened by 'having to look at gross redneck Baptists with their
unwashed children who used to hang out there'? Not all Baptists are
rednecks. And not all Baptists support the Disney boycott. In fact, I
have met tons of Baptists that are tolerant of gays.
Brandon Burt
Nicholas Santoro wrote in message <347A20...@tci.net>...
> You can have all the money in the world and it will not buy you one
>drop of water to quench your never ending thirst in HELL, which where
>you and all of your ILK are headed... GOD HATES YOU< He reviles you , he
>vomits you
You might have to settle for a Perriet Jouet, brought to you by one of those
cute little cabana boys with horns and long tails ...
-Brandon Burt
Eric Bohlman
Brandon Burt (Brando...@m.cc.utah.edu) wrote:
: This would be the "Jose Chung" as in Charles Nelson Reilly's character on
: X-Files and Millenium? Go home Phelps.
Funny, in the Millennium (note spelling) episode, Chung was a scholar
investigating an extremely litigious cult, much like some we're familiar
with (actually, *exactly* like one that many of us are familar with, but
not Phelps' pale imitation).
Apuleius
lib...@curly.cc.emory.edu (Richard Jasper) wrote to
alt.journalism.gay-press,soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality and
alt.politics.homosexuality:
== Jeremy's relatives, 99 % of whom live in Utah. Ditto, the Southern
== Baptists are the largest Protestant denomination in the United States;
== there are plenty of well-educated, well-groomed, well-spoken, liberal
== minded Southern Baptists, including former President Jimmy Carter.
And Bill clinton doesn't qualify?
Oops, somebody should cut soc.motss out of the newsgroups of this
message. There's some frustrated queen there, probably in the initial
stages of AIDS dementia, who sends wacko complaints off about anybody
who cross posts (I think that's what his gripe is, but who knows, his
message had so much garbage and so many routing headers attached to it
that I never did get to understand what he was griping about. All I
saw was "FAQ").
==
== Exchanging one form of bigotry for another is NOT a pleasant sight.
==
== rpj
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
That's all, folks.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Apuleius
jt...@tiac.net (JTEM) wrote to
alt.journalism.gay-press,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.christnet,alt.politics.usa.republican
and alt.politics.homosexuality:
== Eric Kelso (emk...@ingr.com) wrote:
==
== : assuming that you can read naturally, you would know
== : that Ernst Rolm, the head of the S.A., was killed on the "Night of the Long
== : Knives". One of the justifications for murdering him was the fact that he
== : was a homosexual. So, exactly how did the Nazis not see anything wrong with
== : it?
==
== It is *extremely* unlikely that he was a homosexual and there is no
== evidence to support such a notion. If he had been gay then Hitler
Roehm was a well known gay, and he said as much in his autobiography.
There's no doubt about it.
== CERTAINLY would have had reason enough to eliminate him without resorting
== to murder. The night of the long knives was a political act, a purge. The
== after-the-fact use of rumors of homosexuality, used to discredit a then
== still popular figur,e provides POWERFUL and COMPELLING evidence for the
== fact that the Nazis did not tolerate homosexuality within their ranks.
Hitler tolerated anybody who could help further his cause. For
example, the Nazis worked with Jewish Zionists. BUT... this tolerance
extended only to specific individuals, and Roehm was one of them.
Roehm was, for a while, able to extend that protection to other gays
around him. The lower Nazi officers in the SS and SA were furious at
the homosexuality of Roehm and his circle of subordinates. There was
an SA rebellion in the early 1930s which Hitler squelched by offering
them monetary incentives. Specifically, the Berlin SA, allied with
Goering and Goebbels, threatened rebellion over the homosexuals in the
Munich headquarters under Roehm. In 1934 that problem was solved once
and for all. (Hitler didn't get rid of Roehm because he needed his
organizing capability. When Roehm had been out of the country, from
1925-1930, the SA had deteriorated under inept leadership. Hitler
needed Roehm to whip it into shape, and he had to tolerate his
homosexuality because of his need for his services. The return of
Roehm was extremely unpopular with the homophobes in the SA officer
class.)
A degree of tolerance was also extended to subgroups at various times
when necessity dictated the wisdom of preserving them. For example
some Jewish workers were kept alive because their skills were needed.
When manpower was short, homosexuals were kept alive if they could be
of use, and attempts were made to "rehabilitate" them. Unlike Jews,
homosexuals were not thought to be the product of tainted blood, and
so their condition was not thought to be passed on genetically.
(Undoubtedly the experience of seeing gays pop up in otherwise
heterosexual families, and seeing gays bear heterosexual children had
something to do with the development of that opinion.)
==
== John
==
==
==
== --
== JT...@SUNSPOT.TIAC.NET
Apuleius
jt...@tiac.net (JTEM) wrote to
alt.journalism.gay-press,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.christnet,alt.politics.usa.republican
and alt.politics.homosexuality:
== Hitler was romantically linked to another women, his own cousin. She died
== (an apparent suicide) before the war.
Hitler was linked with as many as 5 or 7 women. But who knows what
happened in private, and whether they did anything sexual? There is
such a thing as an asexual person, and a driven neurotic like Hitler
would be a good candidate to be one.
==
== Hitler is said to have propositioned a number of women.
==
== Hitler was a heterosexual.
JTEM
Apuleius (alg...@Somnifest.uwm.edu) wrote:
: jt...@tiac.net (JTEM) wrote to
: alt.journalism.gay-press,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.christnet,
: alt.politics.usa.republican and alt.politics.homosexuality:
Cool. And if this discussion is inapproriate for one of these newsgroups,
I'll be more than happy to snip it out. Unlike some people (not naming any
names) I don't have a problem with that.
: Roehm was a well known gay, and he said as much in his autobiography.
: There's no doubt about it.
Quote it within the context.
: Hitler tolerated anybody who could help further his cause. For
: example, the Nazis worked with Jewish Zionists. BUT... this tolerance
: extended only to specific individuals, and Roehm was one of them.
Hitler had a coalition building stage, yes, and during such time he simply
had no choice.
: Roehm was, for a while, able to extend that protection to other gays
: around him. The lower Nazi officers in the SS and SA were furious at
: the homosexuality of Roehm and his circle of subordinates. There was
: an SA rebellion in the early 1930s which Hitler squelched by offering
: them monetary incentives.
This is all bullshit, of course. The SA was a means to power but a
hinderance to control. The SA was an army of thugs and Hitler wanted an
army of soldiers. Even more, he needed to be the head of that army. The SA
had a leader already.
John
JTEM
Apuleius (alg...@Somnifest.uwm.edu) wrote:
: Hitler was linked with as many as 5 or 7 women. But who knows what
: happened in private,
For the most part it was in private.
: and whether they did anything sexual?
It's hardly a fact that anyone you know ever did anything sexual, unless
you were there to witness it yourself. The "It might have been the case"
approach lends itself, quite naturally, to any and every unlikely scenerio
we might care to imagine. It's hardly a basis for discussion.
John
Robert Schroeder
Richard Jasper wrote:
>
> Brandon Burt (Brando...@m.cc.utah.edu) wrote:
> : The only bad thing about going to Disneyland used to be having to look at
> : the gross redneck Baptists with their unwashed children who used to hang out
> : there ... now even that problem has been removed! Keep it up! Maybe next we
> : can get them to stop going to the movies!
>
> my mother's side are rednecks of one sort or another, i.e., they're white,
> not well-educated, working class, and have thick Southern accents. Which,
> aside from the accent, is a perfectly apt description of my partner
>
>
I need to agree with Richard here. We really should watch tossing
around words like "redneck", after all, its just another sign of
classism (the belief that one class is superior to another). During my
first diversity training session, (I now lead several aspects of a
diversity training program) we were not allowed to use the term
"redneck", and it was so HARD to describe "them" without using the
word. FYI, the term "redneck" orginated in the south and the west to
label those who were farmers, ranchers, or oil people. It is usually a
sign of hard work. For some of those folks, bigotry is a way of life.
For others, bigotry is foreign to them. And "Bubba" is not a fair word
either. Here in Austin, we tend to call those folks living south of the
river as "bubbas" (just like "King of the Hill", which is, oddly enough,
patterned after folks in South Austin where the creator Mike Judge
lives.
I know, its gonna be hard to change, but at least we can try. When you
spot a bigot, call it for what it is....a bigot.
OK folks?
Oh...and Happy Thanksgiving!!!
Robert
Magenta
Jose Chung <wa...@chung.com> doth speak:
>Given the large number of homosexuals that were in the Nazi leadership
>during WWII (including, perhaps, Hitler himself), I think an argument
>can be made that most anti-Semites (and anti-Christians)tend to either
>practice homosexuality, or see nothing wrong with it.
Here we have a perfect example of when an assertion is invalid any
conclusions derived from that assertion are invalid.
And a wonderful peer into the mind of a delusional person to boot.
BTW: A little clue into Hiter's sexuality- Ava Braun.
Buy a brain cell.
If you have any money left,
buy a history book.
>This, of course,
>makes sense seeing as how most homosexuals probably woudn't subscribe to
>the teachings of Judaism or Christianity anyway (at least, not without
>significant distortion).
Nah, homosexuals prefer the religions that involve drinking goat's
blood. Haven't you heard? It's all the rage.
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JTEM
Brandon Burt <Brando...@m.cc.utah.edu> wrote:
>Please stop spamming. This has nothing to do with journalism,
>christianity or the republican party.
This is what I was talking about, when I said we were turning into a big,
fat group of hypocrites.
If a crossposting is inapproriate you don't crosspost. You write to the
person and ask that they stop. Unfortunately, if you should forget to
pepper said request with smiles :^) folks will inevidable choose to read
into it whatever tone they just happen to wish.
John(thinking: Grow up!)
George M. Carter
jt...@tiac.net (JTEM) wrote:
> John(thinking: Grow up!)
Everyone else thinking John/JTEM, get over it.
JTEM
Brandon Burt (Brando...@m.cc.utah.edu) wrote:
: Hmm, so what you seem to be saying here is that it's okay for you to spam,
What I am saying is if I believe something to be spam I don't post it.
I have no idea why this is such a difficult concept for you.
You claimed the crossposting was inappropriate yet, now get this,
crossposted to the very same newsgroups. Me? Well, if the crossposting in
question is inappropriate I certainly am not aware of this fact. I
on't consider you to be a reputable source. That's why I didn't snip them.
You, well, you said they were inappropriate but crossposted anyway.
Can we consider this settled now?
John
Regular Guy (Rhymes with Tree)
On Sun, 23 Nov 1997 01:33:05 -0600, lac...@webtv.net screeched:
>
>
>LISTEN UP GAY BARTENDERS and BAR/CLUB OWNERS!!
>
>DON'T ORDER BUDWEISER!!! DON'T SERVE BUDWEISER!!
>
>If you come out as being Gay while working for Anheuser-Busch, Inc.,
>expect to be terminated.
>
>Anheuser Busch Inc. argues in court papers that an EMPLOYEE FIRED BECAUSE
>HE IS GAY, HAS NO RIGHT TO BRING A LAWSUIT for wrongful termination.
>
>Budweiser states, in court documents: BEING GAY IS A "FREE CHOICE" AND
>NOT A CIVIL RIGHT" protected from discrimination in the workplace in the
>state of California. [If that's their attitude, then belonging to a
>particular religion SHOULD NOT be a protected right, because most people
>choose their religion, plus many people "change" their religion
>everyday.]
>
>According to testimony from Human Resources Manager, Bob Warner, Anheuser
>Busch Inc.'s internal investigation confirmed that ANHEUSER-BUSCH
>EMPLOYEE'S "USE THE TERM 'F@G' or 'F-GG-T' IN A SHOP TALK MANNER" at the
>Los Angeles Brewery.
>
>Manager Bruce Borst testified at his desposition he heard the word f-g
>used at Anheuser-Busch AT LEAST 100 TIMES in his presence.
>
>Manager Zane Pickney testified at his desposition that "f-g" could be
>used in fashion that is not derogatory towards anyone, and proceed to
>highlight some acceptable uses of the word.
>
>Human Resources Manager Bob Warner testified at his desposition that NO
>EMPLOYEE HAS EVER BEEN DISCIPLINED AT THE ANHEUSER-BUSCH WORKPLACE FOR
>USING INAPPROPRIATE LANGUAGE TO REFER TO GAY'S & LESBIANS.
>
>Anheuser-Busch Inc. is fighting to stop a sexual orientation case against
>it from going foward to trial. It has appealed to higher courts to
>prevent this case from being heard.
>
>It's amazing how Budweiser can treat us like this after all the years
>that we in the Gay community have purchased and drank their stuff in
>bars, dance clubs, and in our homes.
>
>GAY BARS SHALL BE BUDWEISER FREE!!!!
>
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I'll tell you, we must attempt to buy more Budweiser to support Bud in
its valiant attempt to stand up to the radical homosexual lobby.
A proud member of the dreaded Religious Right, who enjoys
nothing more than beating up on those of the dreaded
Anti-Religious Left.
If it ain't right, it's wrong.
Liberals - a dying breed.
Kelly Holmes
Brandon Burt wrote:
>
> Think about it a little longer and figure out who the real enemies of freedom
> are.
I guess I look at the whole issue a little differently than you, then. I
don't see those who are intolerant as "enemies"...I see them as simply
"unenlightened." Maybe if we approached such people with a little more
tolerance on OUR part, they would reciprocate.
Kelly
George M. Carter
NOSPAMre...@ibm.net (Regular Guy (Rhymes with Tree)) wrote:
>I'll tell you, we must attempt to buy more Budweiser to support Bud in
>its valiant attempt to stand up to the radical homosexual lobby.
Go right ahead! Mainline it, too, while you're at it.
Clearly, it is just horrid that the "radical homosexual lobby" is
trying to help protect people from being fired just because the boss
is a homophobic shithead like you. Dreadful and stunningly radical
idea, eh, protecting somebody's job.
George M. Carter
John De Salvio
In article <348e5c2c...@news1.ibm.net>, NOSPAMre...@ibm.net
(Regular Guy (Rhymes with Tree)) wrote:
> I'll tell you, we must attempt to buy more Budweiser to support Bud in
> its valiant attempt to stand up to the radical homosexual lobby.
I'll have you know that the bar in the radical homosexual lobby
does not serve Budweiser.
And if you're trying to make a valiant attempt to stand up,
you've had too much Bud already.
--
John
NOTE: "From" address is deliberately wrong.
My correct e-mail address is:
Apuleius
jt...@tiac.net (JTEM) wrote to and alt.politics.homosexuality:
== Apuleius (alg...@Somnifest.uwm.edu) wrote:
==
== : Roehm was a well known gay, and he said as much in his autobiography.
== : There's no doubt about it.
==
== Quote it within the context.
==
There are so many references, it's hard to know where to begin.
Roehm's autobiography, to my knowledge, is available only in German,
and I have our local library looking for a copy for me -- it might
take months to locate it.
Roehm, Ernst, "Geschichte eines Hochverraeters" (Munich: Eher, 1933).
A book by a journalist (and thus somewhat dubious) you might look at
is Frank Rector's "The Nazi Extermination of Homosexuals" (NY: Stein
and Day 1981). Though it's not by an historian, I bring it in because
it can probably be considered "gay friendly" and so the author can
hardly be accused of making up allegations about a Nazi being gay.
pages 81-82: "Roehm attached so little import to homosexuality that it
seems that nearly everyone except Roehm and most of his WWI
heterosexual Army pals knew or suspected that he was gay before Roehm
himself became cognizant of it. [Rector goes on to quote Konrad
Heiden, another journalist, whom I'll quote below] So, in short, it
seems farily safe to assume that sometime between 1919 and 1924 Roehm
fully awakened to his preference and thereafter made the most of it."
* * *
Richard Plant "The Pink Triangle" (NY: Henry Hold 1986) is another
"gay friendly" source. The academic credentials aren't there, but the
author can hardly be accused of making up anti-gay propaganda by
saying a Nazi leader was gay.
page 61 "According to his recollections -- and even his most venomous
enemies within the Nazi Party never disputed this -- he never began a
sexual relationship with anyone under his command. Indeed, Roehm was
thirty-seven years old when he had sex with another man for the first
time."
page 62 "Roehm's bold declaration [that sex of SA men was their
private matter] must have infuriated Himmler, whose loathing of
homosexuals knew no bounds. But he could not act against Roehm
withouth Hitler's permission -- and that permission would not be
forthcoming until the Fuehrer was persuaded that Roehm was no longer
needed. And until his 1933 takeover, Hitler had little choice but to
rely upon his SA captain."
Konrad Heiden (journalist exhibiting the usual anti-gay bias) "Hitler"
(Alfred A. Knopf 1936, original German Zuerich: 1936). I quote from
this earlier work on Hitler rather than the wartime Book-of-the-Month
version, because Heiden is less rabid here.
page 205: "In 1924 Roehm became more intimate with Heines; in 1924,
moreover, he first became conscious of his unfortunate disposition,
with which, for that matter, he himself was very well pleased. The
affair soon became notorious, but Hitler refused to take any notice of
it. The breach with Roehm in 1925 had nothing to do with this.
Moreover, outwardly Roehm observed a certain amount of discretion;
but, as so often happens, the younger favorite spoilt by his lack of
restraint what the elder had to a certain extent made good by his
reserve. Heines took advantage of his authority to abuse the lads of
his 'Schill Youth' in a criminal fashion. In teh little Frankish town
of Uffenheim there lived a newspaper-publisher, H., whose son had
joined the 'Schill Youth.' Heines forced the boy, at first against
his will, to give himself to him...."
Apuleius
lo...@my.sig4address (Magenta) wrote to and
alt.politics.homosexuality:
== Jose Chung <wa...@chung.com> doth speak:
==
== >Given the large number of homosexuals that were in the Nazi leadership
== >during WWII (including, perhaps, Hitler himself), I think an argument
== >can be made that most anti-Semites (and anti-Christians)tend to either
== >practice homosexuality, or see nothing wrong with it.
There was never a "large" number of homosexuals in the Nazi leadership
at any time. During WW II Waldemar Funk, Economics Minister, was the
ONLY leader suspected of homosexuality. His only connection to Nazi
crimes was that he was involved in taking concentration camp Gold into
his bank. After the war he was sentenced to life in prison, but was
released in 1957 for health reasons. He died in 1960. Wistrich, in
"Who's Who in Nazi Germany," calls him a "notorious homosexual and
habitual drunkard," but I haven't yet come across any more reliable
historian who mentioned Funk at enough length to bring in sexuality,
and so I don't know how reliable Wistrich's obviously inflammatory
language is. Wistrich was teaching at Hebrew University when he wrote
this, so the fact that Funk was associated with Jewish concentration
camp gold, can be suspected as a special reason for him to "throw the
book" at Funk and disparage him in every possible way.
Assuming that Funk had economic skills and that the statement about
his sexuality is true, his was another case of Hitler needing
someone's expertise and being willing to overlook certain things in
order to retain those skills. Funk's predecessor, Hjalmar Schacht, was
not an ardent Nazi, and resigned various posts to protest Hitler's
policies. After the war, he was acquitted of all accusations of war
crimes and Nazi activity. Thus, Funk, perhaps intimidated by his
precarious position as a homosexual (if that's true), provided needed
skills to the Nazis, perhaps in return for being spared persecution
and prosecution.
Apuleius
"Brandon Burt" <Brando...@m.cc.utah.edu> wrote to and
alt.politics.homosexuality:
== Hmm, so what you seem to be saying here is that it's okay for you to spam,
== but if anybody else dares cross post to dear old soc.motss, watch out for
== the fireworks! Just who is being hypocritical now?
==
== -Brandon Burt
==
This thread isn't spam for the newsgroups I see in the list.
As for soc.motss -- they consider just about anything to be spam.
Apuleius
jt...@tiac.net (JTEM) wrote to and alt.politics.homosexuality:
== Brandon Burt <Brando...@m.cc.utah.edu> wrote:
==
== >Please stop spamming. This has nothing to do with journalism,
== >christianity or the republican party.
==
It's hard to know what you consider "spamming" when we don't know what
newsgoup you're complaining from. Surely you aren't reading these
posts from ALL those groups. What's a mormon doing in alt.christnet
anyway?
usa. republican certainly is a relevant place to discuss Nazis. The
Republican religious right has been promulgating false charges that
the Nazis were gay.
"christians" of the religious right have been circulating phony
propaganda trying to claim that the Nazis were gay, so alt.christnet
is certainly an appropriate place to refute the charges.
"journalists" should be interested in FACTS, so it's appropriate they
should hear them.
Speaking of Mormons, I saw two of the little cutie pies on the bus
yesterday. They're so easy to spot, always traveling as a pair in
their white shirts and ties with the book or book bag, sitting with
somber experssions on their faces and seldom if ever talking to each
other. They really make their "missionary" activity look like an
unpleasant chore they're forced to do in the company of a person they
find it unpleasant to be with.
Apuleius
jt...@tiac.net (JTEM) wrote to and alt.politics.homosexuality:
== Apuleius (alg...@Somnifest.uwm.edu) wrote:
==
== : Hitler was linked with as many as 5 or 7 women. But who knows what
== : happened in private,
==
== For the most part it was in private.
==
== : and whether they did anything sexual?
==
== It's hardly a fact that anyone you know ever did anything sexual, unless
== you were there to witness it yourself. The "It might have been the case"
== approach lends itself, quite naturally, to any and every unlikely scenerio
== we might care to imagine. It's hardly a basis for discussion.
== John
== JT...@SUNSPOT.TIAC.NET
I've read of people who observed that Leni Riefenstahl visited Hitler
and left late at night. People tried to read something sexual into
that, but it may well have been just that he worked at night (I seem
to remember something to that effect, but I don't recall where at the
moment).
The most convincing thing I've seen that he might have been sexually
active was the fact that he married Eva Braun before they died. Even
that's not fully convincing. One wonders whether perhaps she wanted to
die as an "honest woman," not as some who had been "living in sin."
But even that's not certain. It's quite possible she never had sex
with his but still wanted the romance of being his wife.
Apuleius
And I've noticed you're cross-posting to soc.motss.
Naughty, naughty. (I've cut it out from this message.)
Brando...@m.cc.utah.edu wrote to and alt.politics.homosexuality:
==
== I'm from Utah myself, but I'm not a close-minded bigot like the freaks
== who are boycotting Disney for treating their gay employees as well as
== their hetero ones. So do you believe that we must be tolerant of people
== who think it's moral to treat gays WORSE than heterosexuals?
==
== By the way, I listen to old c&w, I know how to saddle a horse, and yes, I
== have lived in a trailer park. I think I can say what I want about
== rednecks.
==
== -Brandon Burt
==
== -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------
== http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
JTEM
Apuleius (alg...@Somnifest.uwm.edu) wrote:
: There are so many references, it's hard to know where to begin.
Start with the first.
: Roehm's autobiography, to my knowledge, is available only in German,
: and I have our local library looking for a copy for me -- it might
: take months to locate it.
Then that ain't it. Next...
: A book by a journalist (and thus somewhat dubious) [snip]
Then that ain't it either. Next...
: Richard Plant "The Pink Triangle" (NY: Henry Hold 1986) is another
: "gay friendly" source. The academic credentials aren't there, but the
: author can hardly be accused of making up anti-gay propaganda by
: saying a Nazi leader was gay.
No, but the credibility of his sources can certainly be questioned.
Next...
: Konrad Heiden (journalist exhibiting the usual anti-gay bias) "Hitler"
: (Alfred A. Knopf 1936, original German Zuerich: 1936). I quote from
: this earlier work on Hitler rather than the wartime Book-of-the-Month
: version, because Heiden is less rabid here.
Ah! Now this seems like a start...
: page 205: "In 1924 Roehm became more intimate with Heines; in 1924,
: moreover, he first became conscious of his unfortunate disposition,
: with which, for that matter, he himself was very well pleased. The
: affair soon became notorious, but Hitler refused to take any notice of
: it. The breach with Roehm in 1925 had nothing to do with this.
: Moreover, outwardly Roehm observed a certain amount of discretion;
: but, as so often happens, the younger favorite spoilt by his lack of
: restraint what the elder had to a certain extent made good by his
: reserve. Heines took advantage of his authority to abuse the lads of
: his 'Schill Youth' in a criminal fashion. In teh little Frankish town
: of Uffenheim there lived a newspaper-publisher, H., whose son had
: joined the 'Schill Youth.' Heines forced the boy, at first against
: his will, to give himself to him...."
Contemporary accounts certainly go a lot further - in my book - than
latter day "histories" which, in turn, or only ever based on contemporary
accounts.
I still don't find it convincing evidence - sorry - but it'll have to do
as I don't read German very well (read: "at all").
John
JTEM
Apuleius (alg...@Somnifest.uwm.edu) wrote:
: I've read of people who observed that Leni Riefenstahl visited Hitler
: and left late at night. People tried to read something sexual into
: that, but it may well have been just that he worked at night (I seem
: to remember something to that effect, but I don't recall where at the
: moment).
I've read of his scandalous affair (or, would be... if it had been
made public) with his own cousin, and saw a "documentary" which strongly
suggested (implied) that he had a hand in her death. I don't think they
actually came out and said it. If I had to put my finger on it, it was the
harping on the cover-up that provoked suspicions.
We're not exactly hard-pressed for reasons to denounce Hitler. For that
reason, and the fact that he most likely didn't need additional motives
for wanting to keep the spotlight off a blood-relative he was having sex
with, I fail to see the need to jump to unsupported conclusions.
John
Ward Stewart
Kelly Holmes <kelly....@natinst.com> wrote:
>~Brandon Burt wrote:
>~>
>~> Think about it a little longer and figure out >~>who the real enemies of freedom are.
>~I guess I look at the whole issue a little differently than you, then. I
>~don't see those who are intolerant as "enemies"...I see them as simply
>~"unenlightened." Maybe if we approached such people with a little more
>~tolerance on OUR part, they would reciprocate.
>~Kelly
>
Aloha Kelly --
That is very fine and wide but you are ignoring the source of the
hatred -- NOT coming from the Gay side of this discussion -- after all
WE are, almiost without exeption the children of hets, raised in het
households and (again with a few sad exceptions) loved and were loved
by those parents and siblings.
Pat Robertson, the man who, in this country, has appointed himself
head of what you refer to as the "unenlightened" has publically called
for the death penalty for the abominable crime of irregular love.
This may well be simply a rhetorical, fund raising, flourish. HOWEVER
it is what he says and many of his followers are taking it quite
literally!
I cannot consider that he and his and the Phelps Klan are anything but
my enemies! They lannounce publically that I am something less than
human and something less than a citizen as therefore have no
entitlement to civil-rights or human-rights. If this is not the
speech of an enemy I am sure that I don't know what is.
ward
^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^
Ward and George
41 years together,
yet strangers before
the law.
~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^
Magenta
Victor Eijkhout <eijk...@jacobi.math.ucla.edu> doth speak:
>Nicholas Santoro <wise...@tci.net> writes:
>> [...] ..stay the fuck in the closet you
>> faggot.
>Nicky baby, you followed up to something appearing only in 3
>obviously gay newsgroups. What are you doing there?
Because he's in the closet, and he's lonely and wants us to join him.
Magenta
gm...@ix.netcom.com (George M. Carter) doth speak:
>NOSPAMre...@ibm.net (Regular Guy (Rhymes with Tree)) wrote:
>
>>I'll tell you, we must attempt to buy more Budweiser to support Bud in
>>its valiant attempt to stand up to the radical homosexual lobby.
>
>Go right ahead! Mainline it, too, while you're at it.
He must be already- it would explain his posts.
Kelly Holmes
Ward Stewart wrote:
>
> I cannot consider that he and his and the Phelps Klan are anything but
> my enemies! They lannounce publically that I am something less than
> human and something less than a citizen as therefore have no
> entitlement to civil-rights or human-rights. If this is not the
> speech of an enemy I am sure that I don't know what is.
I think you've misunderstood me. I was not condoning the intolerance of
gays. I was just shocked that Brandon was making a broad derogatory
generalization about a certain section of the population; exactly what
we are trying to stop people from doing to gays.
We cannot eliminate intolerance and prejudice by compounding it with
intolerance and prejudice ourselves.
Regular Guy (Rhymes with Tree)
On Sat, 29 Nov 1997 23:52:11 GMT, gm...@ix.netcom.com (George M.
Carter) proclaimed:
>NOSPAMre...@ibm.net (Regular Guy (Rhymes with Tree)) wrote:
>
>>I'll tell you, we must attempt to buy more Budweiser to support Bud in
>>its valiant attempt to stand up to the radical homosexual lobby.
>
>Go right ahead! Mainline it, too, while you're at it.
>
>Clearly, it is just horrid that the "radical homosexual lobby" is
>trying to help protect people from being fired just because the boss
>is a homophobic shithead like you. Dreadful and stunningly radical
>idea, eh, protecting somebody's job.
>
> George M. Carter
>
>
George, the issue isn't whether firing someone because they're
homosexual is wrong. It is wrong. Ultimately, it's stupid business,
as well. Any person that limits his hiring practices from a
particular group, is limiting the quality of his workforce.
The issue is, what do we do about it?
Do we all want to look to the government more and more as the ultimate
arbiter of fairness? No. Personally, I'll take my risks that I'll be
fired because I'm tall, ugly, or whatever, than have Big Brother with
his hand further in my life.
James Mamone
I resent this. I do not believe that homosexuality is proper,
however, I embrace all mean of all colors and races. Whether
they be Jewish, black, yellow, or even purple. I think that when
you say something like this, you have to be careful. Granted, there
are a lot of racist, anti-homosexual people in the White Power
movement and others such as this, and even some preachers
(if they can be considered this) act in this fashion, but to say
that most people who are one way are another is hardly
proper.
This is just as horrible as someone saying that most homosexuals
are perverts who molest young boys. This is not true. Again, I do
not believe in homosexuality, but I do know a number of gay people
who come nowhere close to this description.
God Bless,
James Mamone
George M. Carter
>>Clearly, it is just horrid that the "radical homosexual lobby" is
>>trying to help protect people from being fired just because the boss
>>is a homophobic shithead like you. Dreadful and stunningly radical
>>idea, eh, protecting somebody's job.
>>
>> George M. Carter
>George, the issue isn't whether firing someone because they're
>homosexual is wrong.
The hell it's not.
>It is wrong. Ultimately, it's stupid business,
>as well. Any person that limits his hiring practices from a
>particular group, is limiting the quality of his workforce.
Duh, right.
>The issue is, what do we do about it?
You are not among the "we" as far as I'm concerned, dear.
>Do we all want to look to the government more and more as the ultimate
>arbiter of fairness? No. Personally, I'll take my risks that I'll be
>fired because I'm tall, ugly, or whatever, than have Big Brother with
>his hand further in my life.
A boycott is not looking to the government. However, looking to the
government to protect people's rights IS appropriate. If you want a
government that does not take care of its roads, bridges, people and
so forth then go away. That's what makes this the United States. Are
you a communist??
George M. Carter
George M. Carter
lo...@my.sig4address (Magenta) wrote:
>gm...@ix.netcom.com (George M. Carter) doth speak:
>>NOSPAMre...@ibm.net (Regular Guy (Rhymes with Tree)) wrote:
>>
>>>I'll tell you, we must attempt to buy more Budweiser to support Bud in
>>>its valiant attempt to stand up to the radical homosexual lobby.
>>
>>Go right ahead! Mainline it, too, while you're at it.
>He must be already- it would explain his posts.
Bet he's missing the vein most of the time, too.
Mike Silverman
> Ward Stewart wrote:
> >
> > I cannot consider that he and his and the Phelps Klan are anything but
> > my enemies! They lannounce publically that I am something less than
> > human and something less than a citizen as therefore have no
> > entitlement to civil-rights or human-rights. If this is not the
> > speech of an enemy I am sure that I don't know what is.
>
> I think you've misunderstood me. I was not condoning the intolerance of
> gays. I was just shocked that Brandon was making a broad derogatory
> generalization about a certain section of the population; exactly what
> we are trying to stop people from doing to gays.
>
> We cannot eliminate intolerance and prejudice by compounding it with
> intolerance and prejudice ourselves.
If someone said łall Christians are evil˛ then they would be guilty of
unfounded prejudice. If someone said łPhelps and his klan are evil˛ they
would not be guilty of prejudice, but rather would simply be stating a
known fact.
--
Mike Silverman -- cubsfan at turnleft.com -- Lawrence, KS
http://www.turnleft.com/personal
"If you don't know where you want to go, we'll make sure you get taken" --
Microsoft advertisement, translated from Japanese
Javier Rocabado
Hello I will be going to Atlanta in a couple weeks, I would appreciate
any info regarding
sex clubs and african american discos.
Thanks
Javier
Kelly Holmes
Brandon Burt wrote:
> They need to be ridiculed and revealed for what they truly are. I
> don't know how things are in your part of the world, but out here in the
> wild west, things seem to work best that way.
<snip>
> The only bad thing about going to Disneyland used to be having to look at
> the gross redneck Baptists with their unwashed children who used to hang out
> there.
> By the way, I listen to old c&w, I know how to saddle a horse, and yes, I
> have lived in a trailer park. I think I can say what I want about
> rednecks.
Fine. Reveal them. Ridicule them. But please, please, please don't make
large prejudicial assumptions about them, just like some people do to
gays.
And just because you have some of the characteristics of these
'rednecks' does not mean you have the right to make broad
generalizations about them and their beliefs. I certainly hope you don't
do the same to gays; that is, lump them all together in one nice, neat,
little category.
Melinda Shore
In article <3482F7CC...@lmato.com>,
Javier Rocabado <jav...@lmato.com> wrote:
>Hello I will be going to Atlanta in a couple weeks, I would appreciate
>any info regarding
>sex clubs and african american discos.
Don't bring poppers!
--
Melinda Shore sh...@nr-atp.cit.cornell.edu
If you send me harassing email, I'll probably post it
Daniel Chase Edmonds
Javier Rocabado (jav...@lmato.com) wrote:
: Hello I will be going to Atlanta in a couple weeks, I would appreciate
: any info regarding
: sex clubs and african american discos.
For the latter, on word: Loretta's.
Ward Stewart
chao...@rio.com (James Mamone) wrote:
>~I resent this. I do not believe that homosexuality is proper,
>~however, I embrace all mean of all colors and races. Whether
>~they be Jewish, black, yellow, or even purple. I think that when
>~you say something like this, you have to be careful. Granted, there
>~are a lot of racist, anti-homosexual people in the White Power
>~movement and others such as this, and even some preachers
>~(if they can be considered this) act in this fashion, but to say
>~that most people who are one way are another is hardly
>~proper.
>~This is just as horrible as someone saying that most homosexuals
>~are perverts who molest young boys. This is not true. Again, I do
>~not believe in homosexuality, but I do know a number of gay people
>~who come nowhere close to this description.
>~God Bless,
>~James Mamone
Aloha James --
I have to ask what the hell you mean when you announce that you do not
"believe in homosexuality?" Is it that you suppose we are all
figments of someones imagination -- is it that you suppose that my
loving partner of 40 years does not exist or that our love does not
exist?
ward
***********************************************************
"I am constantly mystified by this notion of "disagreeing"
with homosexuality -- not unlike disagreeing with Tuesday --
like it or not, every seven days, there it is -- TUESDAY.
uncle ward
***********************************************************
Mike Silverman
> chao...@rio.com (James Mamone) wrote:
> >~This is just as horrible as someone saying that most homosexuals
> >~are perverts who molest young boys. This is not true. Again, I do
> >~not believe in homosexuality...
Homosexuality isnąt like bigfoot or the Loch Ness monster...you donąt have
a choice whether or not to łbelieve˛ in it...it exists...*WE* exist,
whether you łbelieveł it or not.
Alex Elliott
: >NOSPAMre...@ibm.net (Regular Guy (Rhymes with Tree)) wrote:
: >
: >>I'll tell you, we must attempt to buy more Budweiser to support Bud in
: >>its valiant attempt to stand up to the radical homosexual lobby.
Before you do this, I thought you should know that Bud Light has a
full-page advertisement in the Advocate magazine with the text:
"Another one coming out. Be yourself and make it a Bud Light."
Budweiser and Anheiser-Busch not only advertise in gay publications,
but they have also been known to sponsor gay events.
Now, which of us should be boycotting and which of us should be
supporting Bud?
Personally, I boycott Budweiser because of their policy of
manufacturing anemic, sour-tasting swill and attempting to pass
it off as beer. Nothing but pretentious micro-brews for me.
Alex.
>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<
Alex Elliott
Yale University Physics Department
New Haven, CT, USA
email: ell...@minerva.cis.yale.edu
WWW: http://pantheon.cis.yale.edu/~elliott
>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<
Diedrich G. Kohl
On Mon 1997/12/01 00:56:23 GMT, in <65t1ve$asc$1...@toto.cc.utah.edu>
Brandon Burt <Brando...@m.cc.utah.edu> wrote:
> Kelly Holmes wrote in message <3480A8...@natinst.com>...
>> I guess I look at the whole issue a little differently than you, then. I
>> don't see those who are intolerant as "enemies"...I see them as simply
>> "unenlightened." Maybe if we approached such people with a little more
>> tolerance on OUR part, they would reciprocate.
> Yes, and maybe monkeys will fly out of Pat Robetson's butt ... [snip]
Right. The approach of trying to "enlighten" is all well and good,
and indeed it has worked on many. Changing attitudes reflect this.
By all means, it's the preferred approach. However, it needs to be
recognized that there are "unenlightenable" writeoffs, and there
probably always will be.
--Rick
Kelly Holmes
Diedrich G. Kohl wrote:
>
> Right. The approach of trying to "enlighten" is all well and good,
> and indeed it has worked on many. Changing attitudes reflect this.
> By all means, it's the preferred approach. However, it needs to be
> recognized that there are "unenlightenable" writeoffs, and there
> probably always will be.
Well put. And I agree. But I'll always have hope for those
'unenlightenable writeoffs.' ;-)
Brandon Burt
Kelly Holmes wrote in message <3482F0...@natinst.com>...
>Fine. Reveal them. Ridicule them. But please, please, please don't make
>large prejudicial assumptions about them, just like some people do to
>gays.
>
>And just because you have some of the characteristics of these
>'rednecks' does not mean you have the right to make broad
>generalizations about them and their beliefs. I certainly hope you don't
>do the same to gays; that is, lump them all together in one nice, neat,
>little category.
Um ... the fact is, we ARE talking about one nice, neat, little category:
we're talking about that group of southern baptists who are boycotting
Disneyland because of homophobia. Everybody who participates in the boycott,
which is, after all, sponsored by the SBC, demonstrates by their actions
that they are bigots. Are we to make distinctions here about how SOME bigots
are really nice, and there's only a few bad bigots who give the rest a bad
name? It doesn't wash. The SBC played hard and fast with their harsh
invective against a progressive and fair employment practice, and for as
long as they decide they're going to take that line, they also have to
accept the fact that it makes them bigots; you can't have it both ways.
And by the way, I might say a few things at some point about that group
within the gay community made up of racist jerks, too, as well as the ones
I've met who are sexist or classist bigots ... I am not making any broad,
sweeping generalizations here. Bigots are bigots, and bigotry is evil.
What's more, it is immoral NOT to speak out against bigotry.
So you can appreciate the difference between what I am saying and what a
bigot would say, let's go over it again: I did not say: "Everybody from
Oklahoma is an evil bigot." I said: "I wouldn't want my children to be
around a group of southern baptist homophobes." If it had been the Mormon
Tabernacle Choir who had boycotted Disneyland, I would have said, "I
wouldn't want my children to be around a group of mormon choral homophobes."
But it wasn't the Mo-Tabs, it was the SBC. There is nothing "broad" or
"sweeping" about it. My statements are against a group of people who have
demonstrated by their actions that they are bigots. They themselves have
chosen to renounce civility ... I didn't do it for them.
-Brandon Burt
JTEM
Brandon Burt (Brando...@m.cc.utah.edu) wrote:
: Okay, okay. You're right, it wasn't spam. I was actually being a smart-ass
: because JTEM had called me on crossposting to soc.motss but John and I have
: kissed and made up now, so I take it all back.
Yeah, "kissed." A frigging kiss. That's me, always a bride's maid and
never a frigging bride. Sheesh!
Well now I'm bitter.
John
lac...@webtv.net
In article <65v74o$2cr$2...@news.ycc.yale.edu>,
ell...@pantheon.yale.edu (Alex Elliott) wrote:
> : >NOSPAMre...@ibm.net (Regular Guy (Rhymes with Tree)) wrote:
> : >>I'll tell you, we must attempt to buy more Budweiser to support Bud in
> : >>its valiant attempt to stand up to the radical homosexual lobby.
> Before you do this, I thought you should know > that Bud Light has a full-page advertisement
> in the Advocate magazine with the text:
> "Another one coming out. Be yourself and make > it a Bud Light."
And during the Soul Train awards show, Denny's had 3 commercials.
> Budweiser and Anheiser-Busch not only
> advertise in gay publications,
Texaco advertizes in Ebony, Essence, and other African American
publications. Plus Texaco has gas stations all over the inner cities of
America. So whats your point??
When a business wants your money, they don't care who you are, Gay,
Straight, Black or White, the color most important to them is GREEN. But
when it's time for them to hire you, and promote you, and pay you, then
it's a diferent story.
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Ward Stewart
Kelly Holmes <kelly....@natinst.com> wrote:
>~Ward Stewart wrote:
>~>
>~> I cannot consider that he and his and the Phelps Klan are anything but
>~> my enemies! They lannounce publically that I am something less than
>~> human and something less than a citizen as therefore have no
>~> entitlement to civil-rights or human-rights. If this is not the
>~> speech of an enemy I am sure that I don't know what is.
>~I think you've misunderstood me. I was not condoning the intolerance of
>~gays. I was just shocked that Brandon was making a broad derogatory
>~generalization about a certain section of the population; exactly what
>~we are trying to stop people from doing to gays.
>~We cannot eliminate intolerance and prejudice by compounding it with
>~intolerance and prejudice ourselves.
Pretty thoughts -- HOWEVER, their dogs are gnawing at MY ankles -- I
am being done actual injury every day that I am counted as sub-human,
I am being done terrible injury every time a gay/lesbian adolescent is
driven to suicide or a gay/lesbian person is beaten to death simply
for what they are. Alan Schindler and his mother's agony are more real
to me than the approval or disapproval of the Phelpses and their
murderous hounds.
When this active campaign of vileness and hatred CEASES, I will take
my place at the tea-table and pass the scones. In the meantime our
people are beseiged and savaged and I am disinterested in the
"reasonable" side of Tom Goodman and the rest of the hate-mongers.
ward
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"The default condition for a citizen in our republic is that
he is FREE to act as he will. He is NOT to be restricted by
prejudices and animosity amongst his neighbors -- if THEY
wish to restrain him from his freedom, THEY must demonstrate
the public interest in so restricting him."
Uncle Ward
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Mike Silverman
> >~We cannot eliminate intolerance and prejudice by compounding it with
> >~intolerance and prejudice ourselves.
>
>
> Pretty thoughts -- HOWEVER, their dogs are gnawing at MY ankles -- I
> am being done actual injury every day that I am counted as sub-human,
> I am being done terrible injury every time a gay/lesbian adolescent is
> driven to suicide or a gay/lesbian person is beaten to death simply
> for what they are. Alan Schindler and his mother's agony are more real
> to me than the approval or disapproval of the Phelpses and their
> murderous hounds.
>
> When this active campaign of vileness and hatred CEASES, I will take
> my place at the tea-table and pass the scones. In the meantime our
> people are beseiged and savaged and I am disinterested in the
> "reasonable" side of Tom Goodman and the rest of the hate-mongers.
Hear, hear!
There is no duty to tolerate intolerance.
Lee
>> > Again, I do not believe in homosexuality...
Excuse me? You don't believe that people have homosexual relations?
You don't believe what? Care to explain?
Victoria "Lee"
For address go here: http://scican.net/~haxton/address.html
Apuleius
"Brandon Burt" <Brando...@m.cc.utah.edu> wrote to and
alt.politics.homosexuality:
== Apuleius wrote in message <3480384c...@omnifest.uwm.edu>...
== >their white shirts and ties with the book or book bag, sitting with
== >somber experssions on their faces and seldom if ever talking to each
== >other. They really make their "missionary" activity look like an
== >unpleasant chore they're forced to do in the company of a person they
== >find it unpleasant to be with.
==
== My bf is a returned missionary, and from what he recalls, travelling to a
== foreign country at age 19 to preach the gospel in the sole company of a
== same-gender companion has its good and bad points. (One of the bad points
I suppose any foreign country would be more fun than Milwaukee.
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That's all, folks.
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Apuleius
jt...@tiac.net (JTEM) wrote to and alt.politics.homosexuality:
== Apuleius (alg...@Somnifest.uwm.edu) wrote:
==
== : I've read of people who observed that Leni Riefenstahl visited Hitler
== : and left late at night. People tried to read something sexual into
==
== I've read of his scandalous affair (or, would be... if it had been
== made public) with his own cousin, and saw a "documentary" which strongly
== suggested (implied) that he had a hand in her death. I don't think they
It was his niece, Geli Raubl. The allegations that his involvement
with her was sexual came from his very bitter enemies, such as Otto
Strasser, who escaped Hitler's purge with his life by a rather narrow
margin, and whose brother, Gregor Strasser, at one time a viable rival
to Hitler, was murdered by the man.
One is reminded of Beethoven and his nephew. The case bears great
similarity. A childless, overprotective relative interferes in the
rearing of the child of a sibling. There's absolutely nothing to
suggest that Beethoven had a sexual entanglement with his nephew or
tried or even suggested sex to him, yet people wink their eyes and wag
their tongues. The only thing seriously suggesting a sexual
relationship (and surely an unfulfilled one) is speculation of
psychoanalysts who think they see in Beethoven's behavior the pattern
of a repressed homosexual. He may have had some repressed
homosexuality, but there's no significant evidence. What we have
evidence of is that his nephew was dependent on him, and he hounded
the poor kid to behave himself in a way so restrictive that it might
well have been the reason the nephew committed suicide. (On the other
hand, the kid's homelife might have been bad. Beethoven went to court
to get custody of him and get him away from his mother. Is it possible
that the kid was in an abusive home? We don't know.)
In similar fashion, it seems that Hitler was extremely domineering of
Geli. Perhaps she was a surrogate child for him just as Beethoven's
nephew was for him. And perhaps this drove her to suicide just as
Beethoven's nephew was driven to it.
== actually came out and said it. If I had to put my finger on it, it was the
== harping on the cover-up that provoked suspicions.
==
== We're not exactly hard-pressed for reasons to denounce Hitler. For that
== reason, and the fact that he most likely didn't need additional motives
== for wanting to keep the spotlight off a blood-relative he was having sex
== with, I fail to see the need to jump to unsupported conclusions.
==
== John
==
== --
== JT...@SUNSPOT.TIAC.NET
Apuleius
no....@my.mailbox (Rev. Billy) wrote to and
alt.politics.homosexuality:
== Javier Rocabado <jav...@lmato.com> wrote:
== >Hello I will be going to Atlanta in a couple weeks, I would appreciate
== >any info regarding
== >sex clubs and african american discos.
== >Thanks Javier
==
== Try here, I understand there are some WILD times !!!
==
== Newt Gingrich
== 3823 Roswell Road
== Suite 200
== Marietta, GA 30062
== Phone: 770/565-6398
But maybe he isn't a chubby chaser.
Ward Stewart
C...@sig.4address (Lee) wrote:
>~>> > Again, I do not believe in homosexuality...
>~Excuse me? You don't believe that people have homosexual relations?
>~You don't believe what? Care to explain?
>~Victoria "Lee"
Aloha Victoria --
I am constantly mystified by this notion of "disagreeing" with
homosexuality -- not unlike disagreeing with Tuesday -- like it or
not, every seven days, there it is -- TUESDAY.
ward
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Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love
is the fulfilling of the law.
Romans, 13:10
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dsg5
I don't buy any beer . . . never acquired the taste for it.
Gimme a chocolate milk shake any day . . .
-dsg
Nicholas Santoro
Lee wrote:
>
> >> > Again, I do not believe in homosexuality...
>
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