Homosexuals, Gay animals debate
guardian Snow
emotions, his instincts and emotions must be controlled by his reason.
This control by reason is not inborn, but develops through a prolonged
learning process. Usually this happens in a social setting and starts
within the family. Even simple instinctive acts like urination are
subject to a lengthy learning process. Unlike animals, people do not
urinate wherever they feel the urge, they do it in special places. The
same applies to sex.
I find it interesting personally that homosexual people are now
comparing themselves to animals by saying that some animals also have
“homosexual” behavior. A dog will hump a person’s leg but we still
find this a disgusting and socially unacceptable behavior.
The argument that homosexuality should be tied to biblical sin and
approved by any person that disagrees with scriptures falls away when
reality of homosexuality is confronted not as sin but simply as a
behavior that is not socially desirable. While several people want to
pretend this is about some religious belief (because it serves the
purpose), it's not. At the core even homosexuals know that they have
a practice, that for those people who do not suffer from your form of
mental virus... it makes our skin crawl with disgust, it is a
perversion shunned by the public. Urinating in public is also illegal
should we now honor those who do this practice just because you don't
find it objectionable?
> Urinating in public is a health hazard, therefore there is a reasonable
> justification for making it illegal. People not liking something is not a
> reason for making it illegal.
Yet people do just that. Public nudity is not a “health hazard” and
yet it is illegal everywhere except in designated areas such as nude
beaches. The public does in fact regulate socially unacceptable
behavior in the same way they regulate smokers to designated areas
besides the fact that no science has proven the effects of second hand
smoke.
Simply put, homosexuals argue for marriage because they don’t see what
they are doing as a disgusting behavior and when they are informed of
this fact, they shout the person down as being “homophobic” or a
“bigot”, which is simply any person with an opinion.
In other words, they desire to hang what they consider undesirable
names on people that inform them that their behavior is undesired by
the public. They do this because it serves their interest to be seen
as a victim of attack rather than the instigator of socially degrading
behavior that undermines respect for other people values.
Why do you think in all the years they aired pro-homosexual shows like
“Will and Grace” on television, they never actually showed them
engaging in the practice? Because when people see men kissing, it
repulses the average person... nobody wants to see what you do.
You can sell your filth up until people actually have to watch you...
It's a lot like watching a guy drop trout and urinates in front of you
on the sidewalk. We know it happens... its illegal because the
majority says it is not to be encouraged in our society.
I’m not surprised to see homosexuals want to compare their behavior to
animals and in fact encourage them to continue this argument because
it illustrate the way that they think, without rationalization.
“All that we are is the result of what we have thought. If a man
speaks or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks
or acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that
never leaves him. All wrong-doing arises because of mind. If mind is
transformed can wrong-doing remain?”
Buddha
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If he who employs coercion against me could mould me to his purposes
by argument, no doubt he would. He pretends to punish me because his
argument is strong; but he really punishes me because his argument is
weak.
William Godwin
Jude Ben There
"guardian Snow" <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote in message
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Unlike animals, Man cannot rely exclusively on his instincts and
emotions, his instincts and emotions must be controlled by his reason.
This control by reason is not inborn, but develops through a prolonged
learning process. Usually this happens in a social setting and starts
within the family. Even simple instinctive acts like urination are
subject to a lengthy learning process. Unlike animals, people do not
urinate wherever they feel the urge, they do it in special places. The
same applies to sex.
Animals have intellect as well as instincts and emotions. We are animals in
all ways like the other higher mammals and the distinguishing factor is the
amount of intellect we have. (period) With that higher intellect we have
created the world the lower animals are incapable of doing. We have
instincts as well.
I find it interesting personally that homosexual people are now
comparing themselves to animals by saying that some animals also have
�homosexual� behavior. A dog will hump a person�s leg but we still
find this a disgusting and socially unacceptable behavior.
It isn't dogs humping a person's leg (in your sarcastic tone) that has been
pointed to, but loads of examples have been given where homosexuality AND
mating behaviors of animals occurs with their own kind.
The argument that homosexuality should be tied to biblical sin and
approved by any person that disagrees with scriptures falls away when
reality of homosexuality is confronted not as sin but simply as a
behavior that is not socially desirable. While several people want to
pretend this is about some religious belief (because it serves the
purpose), it's not. At the core even homosexuals know that they have
a practice, that for those people who do not suffer from your form of
mental virus... it makes our skin crawl with disgust, it is a
perversion shunned by the public. Urinating in public is also illegal
should we now honor those who do this practice just because you don't
find it objectionable?
Just because you've been SOCIALLY PROGRAMMED to be disgusted by certain
things doesn't equate to them being "sins," that conclusion could ONLY
occur in the mind of FundaMENTAList or lowlife non-religious person.
> Urinating in public is a health hazard, therefore there is a reasonable
> justification for making it illegal. People not liking something is not a
> reason for making it illegal.
Yet people do just that. Public nudity is not a �health hazard� and
yet it is illegal everywhere except in designated areas such as nude
beaches. The public does in fact regulate socially unacceptable
behavior in the same way they regulate smokers to designated areas
besides the fact that no science has proven the effects of second hand
smoke.
Why is public nudity a crime? Because it disgusts some people, probably
most people. Most people don't want to see other running around nude. It
cannot be determined why most people feel uncomfortable with other people
running around nude (even though I'm one of them). However, I msut admit
that I laugh when the streakers do their thing at football games, etc.
Who gets to say what is unacceptable. It's usually the majority but LO AND
BEHOLD, Snow, the majority isn't always right. I think you can wrap your
mind around that concept.
Simply put, homosexuals argue for marriage because they don�t see what
they are doing as a disgusting behavior and when they are informed of
this fact, they shout the person down as being �homophobic� or a
�bigot�, which is simply any person with an opinion.
In other words, they desire to hang what they consider undesirable
names on people that inform them that their behavior is undesired by
the public. They do this because it serves their interest to be seen
as a victim of attack rather than the instigator of socially degrading
behavior that undermines respect for other people values.
You can have your perculiar values or what they are but since we don't live
in a Theocracy, they'll just have to remain your perculiar and particular
value UNLESS (smile) you can convince the MAJORITY of other people in the
U.S. to side with your religious nonsense, which all you nutcase
FundaMENTALists are doing CONSTANTELY!
Why do you think in all the years they aired pro-homosexual shows like
�Will and Grace� on television, they never actually showed them
engaging in the practice? Because when people see men kissing, it
repulses the average person... nobody wants to see what you do.
You can sell your filth up until people actually have to watch you...
It's a lot like watching a guy drop trout and urinates in front of you
on the sidewalk. We know it happens... its illegal because the
majority says it is not to be encouraged in our society.
You're a self-made religious idiot who can only see life through your
stone-aged perception.
I�m not surprised to see homosexuals want to compare their behavior to
animals and in fact encourage them to continue this argument because
it illustrate the way that they think, without rationalization.
Crap. It was just a much a surprise to homosexuals as heterosexuals. The
reaction of the 2 groups was different, that's all. Homosexuals KNEW that
it was a sign that homosexuality DOES occur in nature and these creatures
WERE NOT making choices but just acting on their PRIMARY and ONLY
attraction! Opps, sorry, religious fanatic, nature proves you WRONG and you
don't like it!!!
�All that we are is the result of what we have thought. If a man
speaks or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks
or acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that
never leaves him. All wrong-doing arises because of mind. If mind is
transformed can wrong-doing remain?�
Buddha
So, now the Fundie quotes a pagan who has been made into a false god?
BWAHAHAHAH What a joke!
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If he who employs coercion against me could mould me to his purposes
by argument, no doubt he would. He pretends to punish me because his
argument is strong; but he really punishes me because his argument is
weak.
William Godwin
Both sides are trying to "coerce" the other. You want homosexuals to live
under rocks. They just want to live without bowing to the hatred disguised
as religion and the socially fabricated disgust of self righteous nutcases.
guardian Snow
> Crap. It was just a much a surprise to homosexuals as heterosexuals. The
> reaction of the 2 groups was different, that's all. Homosexuals KNEW that
> it was a sign that homosexuality DOES occur in nature and these creatures
> WERE NOT making choices but just acting on their PRIMARY and ONLY
> attraction! Opps, sorry, religious fanatic, nature proves you WRONG and you
> don't like it!!!
You'll notice that my religion wasn't even part of the discussion but
in order for you to feel somehow justified your attack on me, you add
it to the discussion rather then confront the fact that behaviour is
what we are talking about and not a religious belief.
Many things occur in nature such as animals killing other animals of
the same kind for food, do you endorse cannibalism now?
Some mothers eat the husband, like black widows and this doesn't
become an argument that favors murdering your spouse... No, as humans,
we determine irrational behaviour as a society.
BTW.. name calling is the bastion of those who lack a credible
argument... You are like the KKK shouting slogans of hate on parade,
thank you for posting you are your own worst advertisement.
Jude Ben There
On Oct 8, 11:43 pm, "Jude Ben There" <ca...@deswamp.wet> wrote:
> Crap. It was just a much a surprise to homosexuals as heterosexuals. The
> reaction of the 2 groups was different, that's all. Homosexuals KNEW that
> it was a sign that homosexuality DOES occur in nature and these creatures
> WERE NOT making choices but just acting on their PRIMARY and ONLY
> attraction! Opps, sorry, religious fanatic, nature proves you WRONG and
> you
> don't like it!!!
You'll notice that my religion wasn't even part of the discussion but
in order for you to feel somehow justified your attack on me, you add
it to the discussion rather then confront the fact that behaviour is
what we are talking about and not a religious belief.
And you're not attacking homosexuals? You see you're full of crap, double
standards, closed mindedness, etc. etc.
Many things occur in nature such as animals killing other animals of
the same kind for food, do you endorse cannibalism now?
Some mothers eat the husband, like black widows and this doesn't
become an argument that favors murdering your spouse... No, as humans,
we determine irrational behaviour as a society.
I just love to see FundaMENTALists tap dance around the truth! It just
shows how DESPERATE they are to not look at what nature has provided.
DID I EVER SAY that we should follow all animal behavior, you stupid,
pathetic, lying jackass?!?
BTW.. name calling is the bastion of those who lack a credible
argument... You are like the KKK shouting slogans of hate on parade,
thank you for posting you are your own worst advertisement.
Crap, I just sick and tired of seeing the unlimited ways in in which you
pathetic FundaMENTALists justify your love of condemnation. You've found
the PERFECT way in which to do so.... (or so you believe) ... in the name of
God!
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from
religious conviction."--BLAISE PASCAL
Thurisaz, warrior of Thor
> ...The argument that homosexuality should be tied to biblical sin and
> approved by any person that disagrees with scriptures falls away when
> reality of homosexuality is confronted not as sin but simply as a
> behavior that is not socially desirable...
If you don't like it, don't do it. End of story.
--
Thurisaz, warrior of Thor, natural enemy of morontheism
The judgment of morontheism: http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
guardian Snow
<MAILTOsecret...@carcosa.de> wrote:
> Morontheist "guardian Snow":
>
> > ...The argument that homosexuality should be tied to biblical sin and
> > approved by any person that disagrees with scriptures falls away when
> > reality of homosexuality is confronted not as sin but simply as a
> > behavior that is not socially desirable...
>
> If you don't like it, don't do it. End of story.
If only that were the end of the story. Unfortunately, unless I
condone of other people behaving in this manner, they feel they must
label me. Add to this, just like the KKK, they parade there aberrant
ideas down the main street every year and I have to explain to kids
that these people want to behave like animals and teach others the
same idea and that society considers this undesirable.
Like drugs they should just say NO.
Thurisaz, warrior of Thor
> If only that were the end of the story. ï¿œUnfortunately, unless I
> condone of other people behaving in this manner, they feel they must
> label me. ￜ
If you act like a hatemonger, you get called a hatemonger. Should be simple
enough for you to understand.
> Add to this, just like the KKK, they parade there aberrant
> ideas
Aberrant by what, your personal/cult's definition?
Everyone's "aberrant" by _someone else's_ definition.
> I have to explain to kids
> that these people want to behave like animals
See? You keep claiming such bullshit, it's no wonder you have to face
enmity. Besides, explaining homosexuality to kids is normally quite easy.
Yes, WITHOUT trying to "indoctrinate them to be homosexual" or other
braindead crap.
> ...that society considers this undesirable.
WHO is "society"? You? Your cult?
> Like drugs they should just say NO.
Well be a shining example then and "just say no" to love. Let's see how long
you can keep it up. And this is the KEY POINT. Homosexuals can "say no" to
their sexuality just as "easily" as you can to your own heterosexuality.
Assuming you are hetero, which is not too likely. Homophobes are
homosexuals in denial.
Moron.
Jude Ben There
You're a self made idiot. I guess the gay pride parade couldn't possible
have another paralell LIKE THE IRISH PRIDE PARADE??? BWAHAHAHA
Try looking up why the IRISH have a PRIDE parade. DUH
Like drugs they should just say NO.
Like a good person, perhaps you could starting saying "NO" to
discrimination, condemnation and hatred of homosexuals? Doubtful. IN YOUR
MIND, you have the PERFECT excuse for your hatred.... you do it in God's
name!
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from
religious conviction."---BLAISE PASCAL
Thurisaz, warrior of Thor
> Like a good person, perhaps you could starting saying "NO" to
> discrimination, condemnation and hatred of homosexuals? ï¿œDoubtful. ï¿œIN
> YOUR MIND, you have the PERFECT excuse for your hatred.... you do it in
> God's name!
The (sick dream of a) Herrenrasse is alive and kicking with morontheists of
all brands indeed... with the (to them) perfect excuse of "Deus vult!".
guardian Snow
> You're a self made idiot. I guess the gay pride parade couldn't possible
> have another paralell LIKE THE IRISH PRIDE PARADE??? BWAHAHAHA
Irish, based on being born in Ireland.
Gay, based on socially undesirable behaviour.
Nope.. being Irish doesn't make you gay either.. sorry. Thank you for
posting, poster child.
Jude Ben There
You're an ignorant man, Snow.
I ASKED YOU WHY THERE WAS EVER AN IRISH PRIDE PARADE EVER STARTED? You
just can't FOR A FREAKING MOMENT leave behind your love of condemnation!!!!
If you knew the answer to the question or GOD FORBID look it up then you
would know why I was asking the question IN THE FIRST PLACE!
Don't worry, Snow, you can continue your condemnation after you answer the
question!
guardian Snow
> "guardian Snow" <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote in message
I see no condemnation in reality, do you? Maybe this is just evidence
of a different perspective of things and possibly not everybody must
see perversion as you do.
You are welcomed to join the list of people who think that a person
must share your mind virus.
I wish you well and honestly don't care how you behave because truth
prevails. Please don't believe that I have to agree with you or that
you should agree with me. You are perfectly welcome to believe what
you want.
Jude Ben There
On Oct 10, 10:45 am, "Jude Ben There" <ca...@deswamp.wet> wrote:
> "guardian Snow" <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote in message
>
> news:ae79ead3-8b11-4b1f...@h40g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 9, 10:55 pm, "Jude Ben There" <ca...@deswamp.wet> wrote:
>
> > You're a self made idiot. I guess the gay pride parade couldn't possible
> > have another paralell LIKE THE IRISH PRIDE PARADE??? BWAHAHAHA
>
> Irish, based on being born in Ireland.
>
> Gay, based on socially undesirable behaviour.
>
> Nope.. being Irish doesn't make you gay either.. sorry. Thank you for
> posting, poster child.
>
> You're an ignorant man, Snow.
>
> I ASKED YOU WHY THERE WAS EVER AN IRISH PRIDE PARADE EVER STARTED? You
> just can't FOR A FREAKING MOMENT leave behind your love of
> condemnation!!!!
>
> If you knew the answer to the question or GOD FORBID look it up then you
> would know why I was asking the question IN THE FIRST PLACE!
>
> Don't worry, Snow, you can continue your condemnation after you answer the
> question!
I see no condemnation in reality, do you? Maybe this is just evidence
of a different perspective of things and possibly not everybody must
see perversion as you do.
You are welcomed to join the list of people who think that a person
must share your mind virus.
Re-read that above sentence and ponder on it as it relates to you. Really.
I dare you.
I wish you well and honestly don't care how you behave because truth
prevails. Please don't believe that I have to agree with you or that
you should agree with me. You are perfectly welcome to believe what
you want.
Well, thank you. I feel the same about you! HOWEVER, (big however) that
doesn't mean I won't challenge you to look at facts that make you
allegations and condemnation lame. Bye bye now
guardian Snow
> On Oct 9, 10:33 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 10, 11:37 am,LindaLee<lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > > He is awfully interested in the subject, and he loves to call women
> > > whores. Is that type of inherent conflict with females an indication
> > > of repressed male homosexuality? I have met male homosexuals who were
> > > quite friendly to women, but I've also met a couple of male
> > > homosexuals who seemed competitive with women.
>
> > Rom 1:26 Because of this Elohim gave them over to degrading passions.
> > For even their women exchanged natural relations for what is against
> > nature,
> > Rom 1:27 and likewise, the men also, having left natural relations
> > with woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men
> > committing indecency, and receiving back the reward which was due for
> > their straying.
>
> > You know.. I just noticed that this is the one topic you've avoided
> > speaking about. You attack me as antichrist and everything but in all
> > the years you've posted and stalked me, you never speak against
> > homosexuality... why is thatLindaand what is your position on the
> > issue of homosexuality and gay marriage?
>
> > Is this why you hate apostle Paul?
>
> Antichrist SNowjob,
>
> Is that why YOU hate the apostle Paul? Are you sitting there in
> women's clothes ranting about the false apostle's admonition against
> men wearing women's clothing? I can see your lacey ruffled bathrobe
> now. LOL.
>
> What I've noticed is that homosexuality is one of your favorite topics
> and your judgmental stupid position on it (just don't do it) is as
> simplistic and nonsensical as your position on the Scriptures.
>
> You'd like my opinion on homosexuality? It is my opinion that
> homosexuality is caused by many factors, by emotional trauma, by
> conditioning, physical abnormalities (hormonal, etc. some are even
> born hermaphrodite - which sex should they choose?), attraction to
> something that is unusual and even taboo, etc., and that because of
> all those mitigating factors God will be the best judge of how much
> control anyone might have had over it and how responsible they are,
> and whether it was a sin or not. It is certainly not the unforgivable
> sin, which is to claim the Messiah's Holy Spirit was unclean. So why
> don't you let God judge gays and keep your stupid opinions to
> yourself?
>
> I am against gay marriage, but that has nothing to do with equal
> rights; I'm not too keen on marriage between males and females either.
> Divorce is at an all-time high in America, about 50 per cent I think
> out of all marriages.
You clearly haven't read what I posted. Having been the victim of
homosexual rape at the age of 5, I feel uniquely qualified to speak on
the topic. You on the other hand pretend to chum up to people who are
homosexual and then when cornered on it have totally berated them far
worse then I ever did.
Thank you for answer the question because you have revealed who you
truly are.
Linda Lee
Usually don't; I don't have limitless time to correct your many
errors. Just glancing at your posts always reveals some glaring error.
> Having been the victim of
> homosexual rape at the age of 5, I feel uniquely qualified to speak on
> the topic.
Just as I thought. As I told Zadok,
"It's very doubtful Snowjob was raped by a homosexual as a child. He's
the supreme manipulator and fraud, and this revelation is likely
simply his reaching for some excuse why he should be free to attack
and judge all homosexuals. "
> You on the other hand pretend to chum up to people who are
> homosexual and then when cornered on it have totally berated them far
> worse then I ever did.
You really are delusional and are always the liar...
>
> Thank you for answer the question because you have revealed who you
> truly are.
You're a moron, antichrist Snowjob.
guardian Snow
back at you.. why do you even bother?
Linda Lee
"back at you"? What a child you are.
It's going to keep coming up until you can explain why you would post
a verse to me saying "beware of men", and then say "I've told you the
car is coming" when they had no cars in the days of the Messiah.
Explain yourself CREEP, what the HELL are you talking about posting
the following weird vague threat
to me, "Mat 10:17 “But beware of men, for they shall deliver you up to
sanhedrins and flog you in their congregations. I’ve told you the car
is coming..."???
- from http://groups.google.com/group/aus.religion.christian/msg/306dc41f782aab7f