84 CJ7 Eating starter.

[Wayne and Sheila Holder]

We are Jeep sitting a 84 CJ7(it's my brother's & he is out of the
country); that has eatent hrough 6 starters since June of 99. Three of
the starters have have they body snap, one of the bolt holes breaks
off. Today, the killer was the part of the housing that sits up against

the fly wheel broke off. Not very pleasant. It's an easy fix, but
Autozone is going to get tired of me soon.

YOu can reply here or email us directly either way.
Thank you very much.

Wayne and Sheila
A...@concentric.net

[NiteOwl]

Wayne and Sheila Holder wrote in message
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>( Three of the starters have have(?) they body snap, one of the bolt holes

breaks
>off. Today, the killer was the part of the housing that sits up against
>

>the fly wheel broke off. ...

Couple things...a thin metal shim may be needed between the starter and
housing to which it bolts (This keeps the "nose" of the starter from
bottoming against the housing)....or..something could be making the starter
go bad (alingment of starter or warped flywheel). It is not unusual to find
defective factory parts a couple times in a row, but 6? Are you using
rebuilts or new starters? Overtightening bolts can cause stress cracks on
both starter housing and bell housing too. You should be a whiz at starter
replacements now! (practice makes perfect, that's what's best, but too much
practice makes a pain in the chest!)

[John Garrison]

"NiteOwl" <tk...@concentric.net> wrote in message
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>
> Wayne and Sheila Holder wrote in message
> <38E67518...@concentric.net>...
> >( Three of the starters have have(?) they body snap, one of the bolt
holes
> breaks
> >off. Today, the killer was the part of the housing that sits up against
> >
> >the fly wheel broke off. ...
>

Sounds like a classic case of too tight. They don't need to be juiced down
with a torque wrench, a quarter turn past finger tight is plenty. But do
look for flywheel problems just to be sure, and make sure the engine and
bellhousing are tightly bolted tegther. If starter nose is bottoming on the
back of the bell housing, shim up the starter. Also, have you had the engine
out and disacarded the shiny metal plate that goes between bell and engine?
That is what assures proper clearance for the starter.

[tb]

If you have the right started it sounds like it needs shimed put a
washer between starter and bell housing.

Wayne and Sheila Holder <A...@concentric.net> wrote in article
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> We are Jeep sitting a 84 CJ7(it's my brother's & he is out of the

> country); that has eatent hrough 6 starters since June of 99. Three of
> the starters have have they body snap, one of the bolt holes breaks

> off. Today, the killer was the part of the housing that sits up against
>

[Wayne and Sheila Holder]

It has turned out one of the holes is stripeed, so will be putting a
helicoil in to see if that works. The starters all have been rebuilds
from Autozone. I had the garage check the timing- don't own a timing
light( they were nice didn't charge me). The timing was slightly off.
THat was fixed, so who knows what next. As to shims, which several
people have mentioned, I was told I have a GM starter and you can't use
shims with a GM starter, a Ford yes, but not with the GM. For now we'll
try the helicoil, and not tighting as much. I have have been
overtightening it, I'll use lock tite this time and not dog it down as
much.

Wayne

[Wayne and Sheila Holder]

I'll not tighten the starter as much this time. One of the holes had
been stripped, I'll be using a helicoil and not tightening as much. It
that doesn't work, it may be time to get the flywheel checked. THe
other stuff you mentioned, I am not sure of, this Jeep belongs to my
Brother-in-law and I am doing my best to keep it running till he claims
it back this summer.

Thanks,
Wayne

John Garrison wrote:
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> "NiteOwl" <tk...@concentric.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > Wayne and Sheila Holder wrote in message
> > <38E67518...@concentric.net>...

> > >( Three of the starters have have(?) they body snap, one of the bolt

> holes
> > breaks
> > >off. Today, the killer was the part of the housing that sits up against
> > >

[Wayne and Sheila Holder]

I checked with the garage taht does our regular automotive work, the
stuff I don't want to touch and they said you aren't supposed to use
shims on the starter. That it is a GM starter and ou aren't supposed to
use shims with them. I don't know-others besides you mentioned the
shims. But for now, had the timeing checked and fixed( it was off a
little), putting in a helicoil for the stripped hole and maybe that will
work. Otherwise, it may be time to get the fly wheel checked.

Thanks,
Wayne

tb wrote:
>
> If you have the right started it sounds like it needs shimed put a
> washer between starter and bell housing.
>
> Wayne and Sheila Holder <A...@concentric.net> wrote in article
> <38E67518...@concentric.net>...
> > We are Jeep sitting a 84 CJ7(it's my brother's & he is out of the

> > country); that has eatent hrough 6 starters since June of 99. Three of
> > the starters have have they body snap, one of the bolt holes breaks

> > off. Today, the killer was the part of the housing that sits up against
> >

[Sid & roberta]

OK,Wayne..you didn`t state which mtr you have...will guess you have the G.M
...2.5...which will use a G.M. starter with two bolts going up ward through
the nose cone...these starters can use an elongated shim....check wear
pattern on flywheel..
if you see scratches on the deep part of the " v "
add two shims....these starters are noted for cracking the nose piece or
the out side bolt....
..Sid.... cle...@bright.net
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[Wayne and Sheila Holder]

YOu are right, that motr would help. it's a 258 with the 6. One of the
bolt holes was stripped, fixed that today with a helicoil kit. That was
one problem, I have a feeling that the flywheel may be the problem.. I
may have to leave that for my brother in law to fix when he gets back to
the U.S. as this is his Jeep. THough when I have the time, I'll give
the starter a look to see there are any scratches on the flywheel. I had
given the local Jeep dealer a call, they said to use a factory starter,
that after market ones sometimes can't handle the ectra torque the Jeep
puts out. Sounded like they wanted to make a sale, but after all the
Autozone ones-might be worth the money.

Thanks for the information
Wayne and Sheila

[Sid & roberta]

OK,Wayne...on the six..they all use the same fly wheel....if it`s a
standard..check the ring gear for wear.....auto check the flywheel for a
hair line crack...the six uses a ford based starter which uses NO
shims....they are pretty tough and reliable...you have to have some thing
way out of whack to bust the starters...get one from a junk yard from an
amc...6 or 8 doesn`t matter...this way you know you have the right
configuration.Sid..

[Wayne and Sheila Holder]

I kept womdering about those shims. Several people had recomended them,
but the garage we use for our regular auto repairs we don't do ourselves
said not to use shims. Yes it is a standard 4 speed. THanks for the
heads up on the fly wheel, I'll give it a look and look around for a
replacement in case it's cracked.

Thanks Wayne and Sheila