Re: Convince me if you can that ISLAM THE TRUE RELIGION
Nolan
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THE PURITY OF FAITH
After a series of very long and meaningful exchanges with a Christian
student of Bible, who had also read the fair amount of the Qur'an, the
student finally decided to ask; "Show me what Islam has to offer and let my
heart and the grace God take over from there. If Islam is indeed the true
faith God will guide me to it. Peace!"
In response, I sent him the following four lines from the Qur'an with the
commentaries by the famous translator Abdullah Yusuf Ali [an excellent
translation of the Qur'an for people who speak American]. In the original
Arabic text these four short sentences from Surah Al-Ikhlaas (112) have
their endings in a poetic rhythm.
It is impossible to duplicate the beauty and marvel of that poetic
outpouring it in the translated text.
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1 Say: He is Allah the One and Only;
2 Allah the Eternal Absolute;
3 He begetteth not nor is He begotten;
4 And there is none like unto Him.
Get The Holy Quran. It is absolutely FREE
Useful links
Nolan's response:
Of all people, the Judeo-Christian communities have the wisdom given
regarding prayer and study. The Jews know the Bible better than any other
people on earth, with the exception of those who have studied the Qur'an.
Sadly, the Christians claim to have the truth and raise the same Bible up as
Scripture in addition to the NT but are the furthest led people in the world
from the truth. In fact, Christianity is the only religion I can think of
that is against its own religion, but Christians are afraid to admit this
fact. For that reason, they engage in "Holy War" because by terrorizing
others they think they can prove that they have the Living God on their
side, and, when people defend themselves from such fanatics, Christians
claim that they are either being persecuted for Jesus' sake or are martyrs.
lol. Anyone who studies the Bible in all honesty and who believes in the
Bible has no choice in good conscience but to embrace Islam because the
evidence therein is convincing enough that Islam is truly the religion of
God. If you don't believe me, what evidence do you have to the contrary? I
always anxiously await such responses.
If you want proof, let's begin with the ten commandments and then we'll take
it from there. There is not much to debate, discuss, or disagree with here.
Nolan
Jews are good folks too
I studied the bible in all honesty when I was Christian, and nothing in
the bible ever led me to islam. On the contrary, bible verses tell nothing
explicit about Mohammed or islam.
> If you don't believe me, what evidence do you
> have to the contrary? I always anxiously await such responses.
First, Mohammed's claim of divine inspiration is similar to many other
religions. Mormonism, raelism, many other Christian "prophets" are on
equal footing along with islam. Their claim of divine inspiration is
unverifiable.
> If you want proof, let's begin with the ten commandments and then we'll
> take it from there. There is not much to debate, discuss, or disagree
> with here.
>
> Nolan
--
JP
If it looks like shit, smells like shit, do I really need to taste it?
Nolan
post the answer here.
<//O...@True.edu> wrote in message
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> Allah should be translated into English as 'Satan'.
>
> >THE PURITY OF FAITH
> >
> >After a series of very long and meaningful exchanges with a Christian
> >student of Bible, who had also read the fair amount of the Qur'an, the
> >student finally decided to ask; "Show me what Islam has to offer and
> >let my heart and the grace God take over from there. If Islam is indeed
> >
> >the true faith God will guide me to it. Peace!"
> >
> >In response, I sent him the following four lines from the Qur'an with
> >the
> >commentaries by the famous translator Abdullah Yusuf Ali. In the
> >original
> >Arabic text these four short sentences from Surah Al-Ikhlaas (112) have
> >
> >their endings in a poetic rhythm.
> >
> >It is impossible to duplicate the beauty and marvel of that poetic
> >outpouring it in the translated text.
> >
>
>------------------------------н------------------------------н-------------
нн-------
> >
> >1 Say: He is Allah the One and Only;
> >2 Allah the Eternal Absolute;
> >3 He begetteth not nor is He begotten;
> >4 And there is none like unto Him.
> >
> >Get The Holy Quran. It is absolutely FREE
> >
> >http://www.freequran.org/
> >
> >Useful links
> >
> >Understanding Islam
> >
> >http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E1283E
> >
> >http://www.muslimheritage.com/Default.aspx
> >
> >http://www.studying-islam.org/index.aspx
> >
> >www.islamonline.net
>
Nolan
"Angel of HaShem/Messenger" <Angel-o...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> <//O...@True.edu> wrote in message
> news:ig4cp2d8qjbal2hog...@4ax.com...
>
> > Allah should be translated into English as 'Satan'.
>
> Close......
Not close at all. In fact, the English word "all" has the same origin as
the name "Allah." When you think about it, since Jews and Christians who
speak Arabic call God "Allah" you talk of the Jewish and Christian God as
properly being translated as "Satan" as well.
> The Almighty said to His angel Lucifer......
>
> "Lucifer, you are the devil and Satan." (In man's psyche.)
As you know, referring to Josh McDowell's famous and poorly written book
called "Evidence Demands A Verdict," such a statement needs qualifying. In
trying to qualify such a statement to Islam and Muslims, we have no case.
When we apply it to Christianity, the word "infidel," and Matthew 23's
"Scribes, Pharissees, Hypocrites!" exclamation - and I am not
anti-Christian, honest, because there IS such a thing as a Muslim Christian
by definition of the word "Muslim" - this statement properly qualifies an
application to Christianity. Begin reading your Bible.
> "You say in your heart; I will exalt my throne above the throne
> of God. A Superlative angel of the elohyim, deferred a Supreme
> Being. I will put myself above the clouds and beyond the stars,
> and be like, the Most High." (Isaias 12:14) <paraphrased and
> 'embellished'.>
>
> You know how he became......'like' the Most High....?
>
> He had his own made and chosen, born upon the Earth.......
Once again, the Jews were in an uproar when Jesus was led to the cross only
because of the sanctimonious deification of Jesus by his followers. Muslims
also feel this same way as the Jews do about worshipping Jesus, for that
reason, as you apply such passages to Islam, I request of you evidence that
Islam elevates anyone or anything above the Almighty God.
> In this.....
> http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Bible/Genesis16.html
> Something wicked this way came, and dwells in Islam....
> Through the prophet Mohammed, an angel of HaShem & Mo's
> Most High, Mighty God, benevolent and compassionate, Allah.
>
> Just like, in this......14 years after Islam's wild ass of a man child
> was born......
> http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Bible/Genesis17.html.
> Something wicked good this way came, and dwells in Judaism..
> Through the prophet Jesus, angels of HaShem & the Christ's
> Most High, Almighty God, HaShem, Father, Creator.....
>
> That's what is going on in the world today.....
> A war between the devil and Satan, embedded in the psyche
> of man. And the Christ, the man, embedded in the psyche of
> mankind.
>
> There is mankind.....and there is....'some other kind of man'......
>
> A war between al-llah (who morphed into Allah) against his
> adversary......HaShem......
>
> Mighty vs Almighty.........
>
> Allah has houris....for the dead....
>
> HaShem has hosts.....for the living.....
>
> HaShem made Creation......
>
> And Allah "repeats" it.....
>
> He al-llah plagiarized it....using the nym, Allah.....
> And the bonehead Mohammed.......
>
> Did you know Allah speaks in the plural a lot. And when
> he does it's...."We"...."Us".....&....."Our"......
>
> "Let Us make man in Our image and likeness" (HaShem to
> His angels.) In the Torah......
>
> In the Muslim bible Allah claims six days....in six verses.
> One six in each, for making creation......666.....
>
> I! Me! Me! Me! I! Alone!
>
> On the 7th 'six', Allah speaks in the plural; "We did not
> become weary. Nor did We seek rest." <paraphrased>
>
> "We."
>
> Lucifer.....speaking for his legion.......
>
> Need not Israel ask, and will not their Most High Almighty
> God, LORD of hosts, send legions of angels to her.....?
>
> And thus bring the world to humble itself......
>
> ~>~>
> XtremeTwonky......
>
> "Then they remembered that the Almighty God HaShem
> was their rock and redeemer, and the Most High."
> (Ps 78:35)
>
> "Glorify the name of your Lord, the Most High Mighty
> God." (Allah 87.1) <revised>
>
> The Most High Supreme, Mighty God.....
>
> One stipulation was....Lucifer couldn't go....Almighty.....
> Not one Almighty in the entire Koran.......
>
> So you wild ass Muslims.....STOP invoking His name.....
>
> (HaShem may have loosed the rein on his evil, rogue
> angels. But not the reign over them.)
>
> The world IS being fuhked.....by an angel of HaShem.....!
>
> The Apocalypse....portending.....Armageddon......
>
> Carry on.........till death do you part.....
Do you really know what you're talking about? It sure does not sound like
it. Try an outline.
Nolan
outline and subscribe to some sort of reason in your posts. Here's why...
"Val Rutherford" <v...@zkfs.com> wrote in message
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> Faith Based on Evidence is the key to finding the truth. All the
> religions of the world directly contradict each other so only one of
> them can possibly be correct. That means the rest are false. Billions
> will not survive death - sad but true.
Nolan says: Faith is something that you have about something you hope for
and do not see while evidence is something that produces knowledge. If you
have studied all the major religions of the world - Islam, Judaism,
Christianity, Zoroastrianism, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc., etc., etc. - you
will find in their origins little or no contradiction whatsoever except for
the social message due to the social and cultural aspects of the time
differing with each messenger of each religion. You WILL find
contradictions that develop after the death of each messenger, even in Islam
we have people who stray from the Qur'an and even base Islam on ahadith
instead of the Word of God.
Granted, you are correct in that God has only one religion, and as a Muslim
I embrace that religion which is the religion of Abraham, Isaac, Moses,
Jesus, etc. Your bent is such that Zeus having a child with a fair maiden
is just as reasonable as God having sex with Mary at the age of 11 to have
Jesus at the age of 12 (give or take one year). Christianity like the
Hindus has deified a messenger by means of a false apostle who combined
Greek mythology with Christian theology, thus violating the commandment from
God to have no other gods beside or in association with God.
Because Islam is something you embrace and not something you join like a
country club or a Christian church, then a Muslim must be one who is saved
by means of obedience or through jihada in the cause of God. Because Islam
is about a conscientious rebirth or a daily being born again, if you will,
then all other religions that embrace anything other than the God of
Abraham, Moses, Isaac, Jesus, etc. must be false. That includes a religion
that worships a messenger or engages in intercessory prayer through a
messenger, so considering the numbers of non-Muslims in existence, I have to
agree that come Judgment Day, people such as yourself WILL not survive the
fire unless you repent.
> The creator endowed all of us with HUGE brains. It follows that we are
> expected to sort out all that we see and seek the truth. Be a scientist,
> an archaeologist, a sociologist, a lawyer, and a historian to find the
> real truth about the worlds religions.
Nolan says: I agree. Allah has endowed man with logic and reason, but
think about your own logic and reason. Are you willing to accept "truth"
whether it be based on science, your kanon of Scripture, or even logic
combined with reasoning? All the sciences you mentioned and more testify to
the religion of God, whatever that religion may be. On that note alone, one
who understands this much has an obligation to face reality and decide if
his/her religion is actually true. In your case, you are afraid to face the
fact that Christianity may be a false religion, or at least your FORM of
Christianity.
> University tests have concluded that people of all religions have the
> same tingly religious-type experiences. In an experiement, a Christian,
> a Jew, a Muslim, a Hindu, and a Buddhist were set up with hundreds of
> brain wave sensors on their head. They were each induced to have a
> bona-fide religious experience in their own faith. They all showed
> exactly the same brain wave activity during their religious episodes.
> That tells you conclusively that finding truth in religion has NOTHING
> TO DO WITH FEELINGS.
Nolan says: No, this goes to show that religion has nothing to do with
religious-type experiences. A religious/spiritual experience can come to
anyone in many ways for many reasons with many explanations. Finding truth,
on the other hand, has everything to do with research, being open to
possibilities, and being honest with yourself enough to not be deceived by
preconceived notions such as attributing false doctrines to the Christ.
> It's a lot of work to determine the truth. Judges, lawyers, and police
> departments worldwide are faced with the extremely difficult task of
> proving things. Religious seekers have the same burden.
>
> Val
Nolan says: Yes, but look at where you stand with regard to what you know
to be false, yet still insist to be true. On that note, what have you
learned from your own fact finding and search for truth. I believe that
even if you were shown the truth as clear as day, you would still embrace
falsehoods and preconceived notions. Want me to prove it?
Nolan
embracing Islam is because the bible teaches us to do so.
"I Love Edsels" <he...@ford.com> wrote in message
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> If Islam is the "one true faith" why is it having so much trouble?
>
> Because it is a big lie, that's why.
>
> may the blood of a swine be upon the so-called "prophet"
hjgf
be right!
and you can lie cheat steal kill, all for Allah's good eh
Here is a link to your truth, http://www.terrorismawareness.org/
How can anyone believe a single word you say? You are a brainwashed
propagandist, that's all.
Jesus was wrong, Muhammad was right? Bullshit
http://www.answering-islam.de/Main///Silas/founders.htm
"Nolan" <nolank...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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hjgf
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina31103.htm
"Nolan" <nolank...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Nolan
If anything, look at your website below. Isn't that propaganda in its
truest sense? That's why I never look at or refer to it anymore. Now
THAT's lying propaganda!
"hjgf" <h...@nhhj.fgg> wrote in message news:qBQyh.38231$Fd.38031@edtnps90...
Nolan
statements in the name of me being a propagandist, but you have no basis for
what you say. I would like to see what you KNOW; otherwise, my providing
facts only tells me that your inability to come up with facts to support
your claims only supports my belief that you are brainwashed. Think about
it. What is brainwashing? You have demonstrated brainwashing by every
definition any anti-Muslim has ever given me as well as any other "anti-"
other religion person. I do not apologize for giving facts that make you
think I'm crazy, but that detriment is to YOUR credibility, not mine. To
begin with, what do you know about Islam and Jesus? Your post below already
demonstrates your ignorance. Get with the program, you propagandist moron!
lol!
"hjgf" <h...@nhhj.fgg> wrote in message news:grQyh.38227$Fd.10572@edtnps90...
Nolan
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begin with DT 18:18 - 20 and Jesus' test of a prophet. You'll be surprised,
so let's see what tests he has failed, and I will be more than honored to
show you how Muhammad passes all the tests of a prophet in context. :) As
for prophets of any other religion, including in Christianity, I would have
to say that there was only one true prophet, a dependent prophet, and that
was Martin Luther King, Jr. By "dependent" I do not say he was a Muslim or
represented any religion, but his life has passed the test of a prophet next
in line, IMHO, to that of Muhammad. I anxiously await your outline of
tests.
hjgf
You are the propagandist pushing "ONE" thing, conversion to Islam "the death
cult"
"freedom of faith" is propaganda?
"Nolan" <nolank...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Mike
> Your opinion is yours, but I would rather you show us what you really
> know. If anything, look at your website below. Isn't that propaganda
> in its truest sense? That's why I never look at or refer to it
> anymore. Now THAT's lying propaganda!
>
lies....denying that islam is violent and intolerant of non-muslims and
death to apostates.
hjgf
sites that show things like a video of 5 a year old Iranian girl screaming
she wants to kill America for Allah. Videos made by "Your Cult" to
encourage others to hate.
You have no facts to provide me, all you have is a constant diatribe.
"Nolan" <nolank...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Nolan
that the world is flat still, that would not prove that the world is flat.
You need to come out of the dark ages and prove your point if you have one.
Otherwise, you just prove that you are a propagandist.
"hjgf" <h...@nhhj.fgg> wrote in message news:vTLAh.76135$Y6.37916@edtnps89...
Nolan
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Once again, show me what proves that Islam is violent and intolerant of
non-Muslims. I can show you throughout the Qur'an where Muslims are called
to be peace makers, protectors of justice, and supporters of religious
freedom. You on the other hand seem to blow smoke out of your ass without
knowing what you are saying.
Nolan
point? Shall we consult this same modern way of thinking to prove the same
thing with Christian cults? Shall we consider videos of Christians guilty
of terrorism to prove that all Christians are terrorists? I don't think so.
Get with the program, man. Show the world what you know, not what you think
you know. I may as well ask you if Homer Simpson is a real person. You see
him on TV enough to prove that he is. Everyone who watches the Simpsons may
think Homer is a real person, but whether you like it or not, buddy, Homer
is not reality. He's a cartoon.
"hjgf" <h...@nhhj.fgg> wrote in message news:9WPAh.80889$Fd.38253@edtnps90...
Mike
hjgf
You are a typical "jihadist" a lying twisted brain dead fool.
Why do you keep bringing up Christians? Do you need to? Does it make you
feel better about "your cult"?
Here's some more "yellow journalism"
http://www.oefre.unibe.ch/law/icl/ir00000_.html
"Homer Simpson" You are a weak fool aren't ya
"Nolan" <nolank...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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hjgf
You are a typical "jihadist" a lying twisted brain dead fool.
Why do you keep bringing up Christians? Do you need to? Does it make you
feel better about "your cult"?
Here's some more "yellow journalism"
http://www.oefre.unibe.ch/law/icl/ir00000_.html
"Homer Simpson" You are a weak fool aren't ya
"Nolan" <nolank...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Nolan
anything, look at your website below. Isn't that propaganda in its truest
understand what I said before? Your response is evident that you really
don't, and I think I'm as clear as day, but. in the event that I'm not,
kindly advise me of what it takes to help you understand. Don't stand on
ceremony. I have no problem answering whatever question you sincerely have,
but I have no desire to look at third party information for discussion
unless it proves helpful. In your case, it does nothing for the Muslim and
non-Muslim alike.
Nolan
You imply that you are stupid; I am not stating that. I don't need to.
Look at what you just posted! lol. If what you call a "typical 'jihadist'"
is not embracing your type of thinking is a typical jihadist then I am
guilty as charged. On that note, tell me what a jihadist is. Apparently,
you seem not to know what the word means, and if you did you would not use
it in the context that you did. lol! rotflmao!!!!
As for the example of Christian cults as well as any type of cult
whatsoever - Jewish, Baha'i, Muslim, Buddhist, Martian, blue, green, etc., I
guess the important thing for you to do here is to tell us what you THINK a
cult is and examine whether or not your religion is cult or not. When you
have done so, then we'll decide whether or not you belong to cult based on
your own definition of the word "cult." Does that sound fair enough or
what?
rotflmao!!!! I know you can't be serious. You clown! lol. Nothing better
that a good sense of humor. Thank you.
"hjgf" <h...@nhhj.fgg> wrote in message news:fg3Bh.81760$Y6.53646@edtnps89...
Nolan
"The Real Angel Gabriel" <pro...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 6, 9:17 pm, "The Real Angel Gabriel"
<snip>
Angel Gabe said: The Islamic police have no answer to this short history of
their demon from Hell prophet.
Nolan asked: Supposing your statement is true, and I'm not going to
criticize your perspective or opinion one way or another, but once again,
supposing that your statement is true, what do you have to offer Muslims
that Islam has not? I anxiously await your response.
Nolan
very silly" and that "...they are not even worth responding to" for the
following reasons I mention below:
"Muslims Always Victorious" <zim...@295.ca> wrote in message
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On Dec 29 2006, 12:00 pm, "All praise is due to Allah Lord of the
Worlds, the Owner of all of the creation" <almared_alar...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> THE PURITY OF FAITH
>
> After a series of very long and meaningful exchanges with a Christian
> student of Bible, who had also read the fair amount of the Qur'an, the
> student finally decided to ask; "Show me what Islam has to offer and
> let my heart and the grace God take over from there. If Islam is indeed
>
> the true faith God will guide me to it. Peace!"
>
> In response, I sent him the following four lines from the Qur'an with
> the
> commentaries by the famous translator Abdullah Yusuf Ali. In the
> original
> Arabic text these four short sentences from Surah Al-Ikhlaas (112) have
>
> their endings in a poetic rhythm.
>
> It is impossible to duplicate the beauty and marvel of that poetic
> outpouring it in the translated text.
>
> ------------------------------Â------------------------------Â------------
-ÂÂÂ-------
>
> 1 Say: He is Allah the One and Only;
> 2 Allah the Eternal Absolute;
> 3 He begetteth not nor is He begotten;
> 4 And there is none like unto Him.
<cut>
95% of those Anti-Islamic claims are very silly.
In my opinion, they are not even worth responding to.
But unfortunately, they have to be responded to because the Muslims
and the non-Muslims need to learn about what both sides have to say.
I've noticed that 99% of their so called "Hard Questions on Islam"
come from the anti-Islamic claims that are all answered on this page.
<cut>
Nolan said:
For the Muslim who is taught to continually investigate the truth, we know
from Al-Baqarah 256 that "The right course has become clear from the wrong.
So whoever disbelieves in [false objects of worship, such as idols, heavenly
bodies, spirits, human beings, etc. including terroristic activities and
behavior] and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold
with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing." With this in mind,
every Muslim is called to face the reality that they face in the world,
particularly the challenges that are important to strengthen one's faith in
Allah, His Messenger, and His Word. Meanwhile, every non-Muslim - all
mankind for that matter - is enjoined to investigate this same truth of
Allah.
Now, facing reality, what good is a Muslim's testimony if it hasn't been
tried and tested? Islam, per the Qur'an forbids us to live on borrowed
light. Why would we have Muslims schools across the globe? That's Shariah
if I ever saw it. The anti-Muslim gives us much to think about and much
homework to engage in in order for us to understand our own "religion;"
actually "diyn" better describes Islam because the English word "religion"
does not describe what Islam by definition really is. The word "diyn" also
sets Islam apart from all the religions of the world for the most part.
Knowing this, the anti-Muslim is the reason I have been able to successfully
invite so many Christians to embrace Islam. In fact, the anti-Muslim is a
Muslim's blessing and the non-Muslim's reason for investigating Islam.
Going back to the word "diyn," Allah's "diyn" that is, we cannot apply this
to Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc. For that reason, there
is such a thing as a Muslim Christian (Martin Luther King, Jr. for example),
a Muslim Jew (Jesus for example), a Muslim Buddhist, a Muslim Hindu, etc.,
where the very aspects of the Qur'an and Islam apply emphatically, but due
to the fact that Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc. are
"religions" and not "diyn"s, it is impossible to exist as a Christian
Muslim, Jewish Muslim, Buddhist Muslim, Hindu Muslim, etc. It just does not
make sense. Knowing this, embracing Islam becomes more than just a belief,
a way of life, and something you internalize, as many people, even Muslims
THINK. Embracing Islam involves just what the word means, "total
submission" to Allah, regardless of whence you began. All other aspects of
Islam - belief, life style, and internalization - are just byproducts of a
marvelous thing.
Granted, no question about Islam or to Muslims that I have seen yet has been
"hard" or "difficult." I HAVE, however, found many genuine questions,
comments, statements, allegations, etc. worthy of public presentation for
the reasons that follow. In fact, most anti-Muslim/Islam perspectives have
been quite fruitful for the new Muslim, the investigator of truth, and even
many anti-Muslims who through these "public arenas" have embraced Islam
eventually. Also interesting are the links to yellow journalistic style
reports to degrade "a religion" whether the religion is Islam, Judaism,
Christianity, Mormonism, Devil Worship, Messiahnic Christianity, etc. while
the same type of yellow journalism applied by the yellow journalists can be
applied by mere representation of the fact that the links exist to the
yellow journalists themselves.
Here's the fact about Islam versus anti-Muslims. If Islam was such a
terrible religion, as many classify Islam to be, then where is that better
religion that they are so busy promoting that people are more interested in
such a religion rather than avoiding another? The idiosyncrasy of posters
in newsgroups, of those who spend so much valuable time creating anti-Muslim
links, etc. is so unfathomable that I am surprised that very few people
speculate what these people do with their time that is worthy of the most
high God THEY THEMSELVES WORSHIP!, regardless of their religious
classification. I can understand furious people demanding an answer to what
they have learned about Islam from anti-Muslims or what the media has
implied about Muslims, etc., but why devote your whole life to
"anti-"somethingism versus praising the Most High God or something better
than even that if you can think of anything greater than God?
You tell me. If some of these "anti-jihadist"s only knew how ignorant they
are about the word "jihada," maybe they would not make themselves looks so
ridiculous. In fact, anyone who uses the terminologies jihadist, Islamic
Fundamentalist, Islamic Extremist, Islamic Radical, Muslim Terrorist,
Islamic Terrorist, and so forth, make me laugh terribly. These
terminologies even embarrass me to know how pardoxical they are. They
emphasize stupidity on part of the person using these terminologies and
present a lack of credibility in the person using such terminologies. As
Muslims we have an obligation to help those who use these terminologies to
investigate the origin of these words and phrases rather than defining them
for them so that they can see for themselves that they are not credible
terminologies. By promoting in these people the need to investigate on
their own merit, such as telling them to tell us what a word means versus us
telling them what these words mean, or having them reread in context the
passage of the Qur'an they have used to prove that Muslims are terrorists
(which we who have read the Qur'an know is always out of context), we allow
these anti-Muslims to take a stand against Islam with "truth" in context,
with full understanding of what Islam really is, and so on... if that's
possible. What individual who has truly investigated Islam in any way can
in good conscience not embrace it and without fulfilling the prophecies and
descriptions given of them in the Qur'an? So far, everyone who has told me
that they in good conscience could not embrace it were clear liars and
exactly those whom the Qur'an describes as clear as day, another ayat that
their investigations lack credibility. In fact, every person I have
interacted with who has truly investigated Islam and who has still taken a
stand against Islam has always proven by their own slips that they did not
investigate Islam in all honesty except to the extent of doing searches on
words or seeking "anything" and "everything" they could get their hands on
to make themselves LOOK knowledgeable about Islam when in fact they are
actually just as ignorant as the next anti-Muslim. The Qur'an calls them
"hypocrites."
I challenge Muslims, non-Muslims, and anti-Muslims alike to prove me wrong.
If I were a gambling man, I would bet my bottom dollar that no one in all
honesty can.
hjgf
You should give up because anyone smart enough to turn on a computer is
smart enough to see straight through you. Here's some more yellow
journalism for ya
http://www.carm.org/islam/Jesus_Muhammad.htm
Muslims Are Good Folks
By Abu Ameenah Bilal Philips
THE RELIGION OF ISLAM
The first thing that one should know and clearly understand about
Islam is what the word "Islam" itself means. The religion of Islam is
not named after a person as in the case of Christianity which was
named after Jesus Christ, Buddhism after Gotama Buddha, Confucianism
after Confucius, and Marxism after Karl Marx. Nor was it named after a
tribe like Judaism after the tribe of Judah and Hinduism after the
Hindus. Islam is the true religion of "Allah" and as such, its name
represents the central principle of Allah's "God's" religion; the
total submission to the will of Allah "God". The Arabic word "Islam"
means the submission or surrender of one's will to the only true god
worthy of worship "Allah" and anyone who does so is termed a "Muslim",
The word also implies "peace" which is the natural consequence of
total submission to the will of Allah. Hence, it was not a new
religion brought by Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) I in Arabia in the seventh
century, but only the true religion of Allah re-expressed in its final
form.
Islam is the religion which was given to Adam, the first man and the
first prophet of Allah, and it was the religion of all the prophets
sent by Allah to mankind. The name of God's religion lslam was not
decided upon by later generations of man. It was chosen by Allah
Himself and clearly mentioned in His final revelation to man. In the
final book of divine revelation, the Qur'aan, Allah states the
following:
"This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour
upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion". (Soorah Al-
Maa'idah 5:3)
"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah
(God) never will It be accepted of Him" (Soorah Aal'imraan 3:85)
"Abraham was not a Jew nor Christian; but an upright Muslim." (Soorah
Aal'imraan 3:67)
Nowhere in the Bible will you find Allah saying to Prophet Moses'
people or their descendants that their religion is Judaism, nor to the
followers of Christ that their religion is Christianity. In fact,
Christ was not even his name, nor was it Jesus! The name "Christ"
comes from the Greek word Christos which means the annointed. That is,
Christ is a Greek translation of the Hebrew title "Messiah". The name
"Jesus" on the other hand, is a latinized version of the Hebrew name
Esau.
For simplicity's sake, I will however continue to refer to Prophet
Esau (PBUH) as Jesus. As for his religion, it was what he called his
followers to. Like the prophets before him, he called the people to
surrender their will to the will of Allah; (which is Islam) and he
warned them to stay away from the false gods of human imagination.
According to the New Testament, he taught his followers to pray as
follows: "Yours will be done on earth as it is in Heaven".
Read More
http://www.islamworld.net/true.html
Q. Werty
Islam is true because of its name.
QW
hjgf
"Muslims Are Good Folks" <la_ilaha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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fran
There is little point in name calling and insults, however, the ridiculous
concept of any religon is the problem-my god is better than your god, and
here are some old texts/scriptures/teachings to prove it-NONSENSE. old
texts prove nothing whatsoever, they are just old texts.
The amount of crap talked here by adherents of either chritsianity or islam
is staggering-I have yet to see one original argument, or properly
researched article in support or in refutation about the various merits of
different religon-In fact most of the arguments here are taken from the
first 3 results returned in a google search. How PATHETIC is that?
So do yourselves a favour and actually read/learn/study each other's
bible/koran/whatever and then present a coherent, well argued point of
view, otherwise stop wasting your time, my time and bandwidth with your not
very interesting cut and paste opinions
hjgf
this is alt.Islam.....why are you here?
and why cant you and others understand that religion is an invention of man
God is not
"fran" <m...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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Rick Merrill
> "cut and paste"?
> this is alt.Islam.....why are you here?
> and why cant you and others understand that religion is an invention of man
> God is not
No, no, Man is an invention of God ;-)
Xalil 'Abdullah
"hjgf" <h...@nhhj.fgg> wrote in message news:USCCh.115923$Y6.2629@edtnps89...
than spew out insults, not that I'm affected by them. It just shows your
level of ignorance. You can't point out facts so you have to tell me to go
to anti-Muslim links. lol. You need to get an education on the subject you
pretend to know and that I know I know. Your inability to distinguish
between a terrorist and an anti-terrorist is very much proof of your
illiteracy.