What does US Undernet servers got againts Europeans?
Chris Alford
Stig Bull wrote:
>
> It's because US servers prefer Europeans (and perhaps the rest of the
> world ?) to use Europeans servers or the closest server to them. We have
> k-lined many US domains of the same reason - namely we feel that US
> users should use the server nearest to them.
Please define "nearest"
A traceroute from my (UK based) machine to de.undernet.org counts 20 hops
with a ping of 500, while rockhill.sc.us.* is 12 hops away with a ping of
250. So why is it that Undernet server admins are perfectly happy to k-line
*.country without takeing into account that it will simply cause more lag...
sls
For those who care...
Tracing route to regensburg.de.eu.undernet.org [194.95.108.9]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 128 ms 136 ms 134 ms max4000.frontier-networks.co.uk
[195.200.12.2]
>> SNIP <<
20 481 ms 566 ms * regensburg.de.eu.undernet.org [194.95.108.9]
Trace complete.
Tracing route to rockhill.sc.us.undernet.org [206.31.104.10]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 138 ms 120 ms 123 ms max4000.frontier-networks.co.uk
[195.200.12.2]
>> SNIP <<
12 265 ms 276 ms 254 ms rockhill.sc.us.undernet.org [206.31.104.10]
Trace complete.
Jon A. Schjelderup
I've been a regular on the Undernet for quite a few months now, and
for the last two or three of these months, I've discovered a few
US-based (more or less) channels. To avoid lag on these, I try to log
on to American servers, but many of these brush me right off with a
message along the lines of "Go away and use a European server!" I
don't WANT to use a European server when chatting to people in the US,
what can I do? Any ideas?
--
Jon A. Schjelderup
Stig Bull
It's because US servers prefer Europeans (and perhaps the rest of the
world ?) to use Europeans servers or the closest server to them. We have
k-lined many US domains of the same reason - namely we feel that US
users should use the server nearest to them.
Sadly, this does mean lags at times, but the lag is mostly at peak hour
- approx. between 0800pm and 0200am CET.
--
Med vennlig hilsen
Stig Bull
Telenor Online AS
Irc nick: Ztig
Jarle Bjorbekk
josc...@sn.no (Jon A. Schjelderup) wrote:
>I've been a regular on the Undernet for quite a few months now, and
>for the last two or three of these months, I've discovered a few
>US-based (more or less) channels. To avoid lag on these, I try to log
>on to American servers, but many of these brush me right off with a
>message along the lines of "Go away and use a European server!" I
>don't WANT to use a European server when chatting to people in the US,
>what can I do? Any ideas?
>
>--
>Jon A. Schjelderup
>
>http://home.sn.no/~joschjel
Not all US servers have K-line on people from EU..
Here are som of the servers I use, if I have to use a US server for some
reason...
Server Port
Baltimore.MD.US.Undernet.Org 6666-6669 7000 7777
phoenix.az.us.undernet.org 6660-6669 7200
okc.ok.us.undernet.org 6660-6669 7000 7700 7777
SaltLake.UT.US.UnderNET.Org 6660-6662 6664-6669 7000 7777
SanDiego.CA.US.Undernet.org 6660-6670 7000 7777
StLouis.MO.US.UnderNet.org 6660-6669
Try one of this servers... I'm sure you can connect to a few of them... and
use another port than default port, witch is 6667
All other ports a better.. Faster to connect to..
-
Jarle Bjorbekk ¤ HITower @ IRC
4883 Bjorbekk ¤ hit...@sn.no
Norway ¤ irc.sn.no
Rosalie Darling
On Thu, 23 Jan 1997 06:46:58 -0800, "w.gibson" <gi...@america.net>
wrote:
>i'm not really sure but it could just be a back lash against the
>european servers cause they wont let us on thiers
it really isn't just that US servers have something against Europeans
using them. This is a common enough thing world wide... I have many
friends in Europe that I would love to be able to talk to on the same
server, since that would mean we wouldn't have to deal with splits,
much less with lag... but since I am in the US, most of the European
servers I can't get on.
The idea behind this is that one should use a server closest to them
to get on... and not one 4 or 5 time zones away.
Must have been a Wild Angel
Instead of tracing the De server why dont you trace the
London.UK.eu.undernet.org server which is now multihomed and has a great
network position.
There is no conceivable reason for a transatlantic connection to be
established on a limited resource server. The Rockhill server is proviced
for the residents of Rockhill, South carolina NOT for a resident of the
UK and the UK server is provided for resident of the UK NOT the US.
At the request of EU admin, most if not all US based servers have K: the
major EU domains, such as *.ro, *.uk, *.nl, *.no, etc..
This is an administrative decision that wa sput into place to help
conserve over worked resources.
Angel
On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, Chris Alford wrote:
> Stig Bull wrote:
> >
> > It's because US servers prefer Europeans (and perhaps the rest of the
> > world ?) to use Europeans servers or the closest server to them. We have
> > k-lined many US domains of the same reason - namely we feel that US
> > users should use the server nearest to them.
>
> Please define "nearest"
> A traceroute from my (UK based) machine to de.undernet.org counts 20 hops
> with a ping of 500, while rockhill.sc.us.* is 12 hops away with a ping of
> 250. So why is it that Undernet server admins are perfectly happy to k-line
> *.country without takeing into account that it will simply cause more lag...
>
> sls
>
> For those who care...
>
> Tracing route to regensburg.de.eu.undernet.org [194.95.108.9]
> over a maximum of 30 hops:
>
> 1 128 ms 136 ms 134 ms max4000.frontier-networks.co.uk
> [195.200.12.2]
> >> SNIP <<
> 20 481 ms 566 ms * regensburg.de.eu.undernet.org [194.95.108.9]
> Trace complete.
>
>
> Tracing route to rockhill.sc.us.undernet.org [206.31.104.10]
> over a maximum of 30 hops:
>
> 1 138 ms 120 ms 123 ms max4000.frontier-networks.co.uk
> [195.200.12.2]
> >> SNIP <<
> 12 265 ms 276 ms 254 ms rockhill.sc.us.undernet.org [206.31.104.10]
> Trace complete.
>
>
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In article <854203...@xirian.demon.nl>, mad...@xirian.demon.nl says...
>(And since most of my IRC friends are from the US
> I regularly use any US server I can get on just to avoid a bloody 15 minute
> lag)
I know exactly what you mean Bernhard. I only join the Dutch language
channels on the Undernet and as a US user, I can't connect to Amsterdam
or Diemen. I guess somehow we just sort of even each other out, don't we?
The administrators of the Dutch servers want to be sure that there are
sufficient connections available for Dutch people. I'm sure that undertow
would not want to try to administer Amsterdam.NL.EU.undernet.org with
every American who didn't want to deal with lag connected to his server.
It works both ways, don't you think?