Dalnet Down???
Opie Cunningham
message "Unable to connect (Can't assign requested address)".
Everything was fine a day or so ago with no change to my settings.
Anyone know what's going on?
op
Rob Nicholson
It's down and has been for a few days.
Rob.
Mac
"Rob Nicholson" <rob.ni...@unforgettable.com> wrote in message
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> > message "Unable to connect (Can't assign requested address)".
>
> It's down and has been for a few days.
>
> Rob.
>
>
difficult to connect to than it used to be. Do not use the pool server
(irc.dal.net) but connect direct to a server. The pool server is dead and
long may it stay dead in my view :)
try using /server twisted.dal.net or
tiscali.dal.net
jade.dal.net
games.dal.net
Mac
KC
group to find out what's up...
--KC
"Opie Cunningham" <op...@rogers.com> wrote in message
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Pasi Hirvonen
> Do not use the pool server (irc.dal.net) but connect direct
> to a server. The pool server is dead and long may it stay dead
> in my view :)
Aaron Schultz (Wagahai) sent the following to dal...@DAL.NET explaining
the current situation:
- -
We have no servers able to handle the load of being "irc.dal.net" so you
need to use a server by it's name to connect.
Options:
- point to 255.255.255.255 - kills some of the mIRC trojans
- point to 127.0.0.1 - risk people identifying to services on non-DALnet
IRC servers (ie: people who IRC from shell accounts)
- don't point irc.dal.net anywhere and get mails offering assistance
since obviously the hostmasters are clueless (which we get anyway)
..unfortunately we have no other way to put a big message in the dns
lookup which will tell people that we just don't have enough servers
to handle the load of the "irc.dal.net" name.
- -
Just forwarding information here.
--
Pasi Hirvonen
Brian
use
<servername>.dal.net to connect
these client servers are on by the time i post this msg
dingo, twisted, jade, tiscali, ced, dingo, games, powertech
may also try...
starburst, liberty, etc...
below is a mail sent to dalnet@ regarding this issue
regards,
brian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Aaron Schultz"
<snip>
Subject: DALnet: Re: IRC.DAL.net not resolve
> It's pointed this way on purpose.
>
> We have no servers able to handle the load of being "irc.dal.net" so you
> need to use a server by it's name to connect.
>
> Options:
> - point to 255.255.255.255 - kills some of the mIRC trojans
> - point to 127.0.0.1 - risk people identifying to services on non-DALnet
> IRC servers (ie: people who IRC from shell accounts)
> - don't point irc.dal.net anywhere and get mails offering assistance
> since obviously the hostmasters are clueless (which we get anyway)
>
> ..unfortunately we have no other way to put a big message in the dns
> lookup which will tell people that we just don't have enough servers to
> handle the load of the "irc.dal.net" name.
>
> --
> - Aaron / Wagahai
> - DALnet hostmaster
Adam A. Wanderer
irc.dal.net instead of a server by name. I thought irc.dal.net was simply
the first available server, and that if you tried to connect by server name,
you could end up overloading a few servers while others went unused. What
is the story?
"Pasi Hirvonen" <p...@iki.fi> wrote in message
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Pasi Hirvonen
> What has happened here? I thought I was doing DALnet a favor by using
> irc.dal.net instead of a server by name. I thought irc.dal.net was simply
> the first available server, and that if you tried to connect by server name,
> you could end up overloading a few servers while others went unused.
It's probably performance-wise to encourage european clients to use
european servers and american users to use ones in states. If all
servers aren't pooled because of that or for any reason, the load
focuses to few servers that remain pooled and they may be unable to
handle the load.
Of course I'm just guessing. :-)
ps. Top posting is bad.
--
Pasi Hirvonen
Eyes to the Skies.
--- Looking up irc.eu.dal.net..
--- Connecting to please-do-not-mail-us.dal.net (255.255.255.255) port
6667..
--- Connection failed. Error: No route to host
--- Looking up us.dal.net..
--- Connecting to please-do-not-mail-us.dal.net (255.255.255.255) port
6667..
--- Connection failed. Error: No route to host
What message is this supposed to tell users? (Yes I already posted on this).
Eyes to the Skies.
used, I'm sure it would cut down on posts here.
Aaron Schultz
> --- Connecting to please-do-not-mail-us.dal.net (255.255.255.255) port
> 6667..
> --- Connection failed. Error: No route to host
> What message is this supposed to tell users? (Yes I already posted on this).
The entire lookup is:
irc.dal.net is a nickname for no-servers-left-to-pool.dal.net
no-servers-left-to-pool.dal.net is a nickname for please-do-not-mail-us.dal.net
please-do-not-mail-us.dal.net has address 255.255.255.255
Which was already discussed in this newsgroup earlier as to the reasons
for having it point to 255. Seems like no matter what change I make to
DNS, we get people like you complaining that it doesn't work when we have
no technical answer for the problem and who are taking it personally.
We are not saying "screw users" or anything like that. I will update it
(once again) to try to say something else. As to WHY the setting is still
set to 255, see previous posts on this same usenet group. ..or look at
your own post since it was covered there in the text you included.
Aaron Schultz
> On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Eyes to the Skies. wrote:
> > --- Connecting to please-do-not-mail-us.dal.net (255.255.255.255) port
> irc.dal.net is a nickname for no-servers-left-to-pool.dal.net
> no-servers-left-to-pool.dal.net is a nickname for please-do-not-mail-us.dal.net
> please-do-not-mail-us.dal.net has address 255.255.255.255
Since I did not know that people's software would only be showing the
final entry, it was updated to read as:
please-connect-by-server-name.dal.net
Hopefully this will be more helpful to everyone.
Ook
"Aaron Schultz" <aa...@powertrip.net> wrote in message
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It is absolutely no help at all since the server list on Dalnet's web site
is over 6 months old and most of those servers are long gone. Maybe if
someone would update the server list, then it would be more helpfull. As it
is, we have no clue what servers are running.
Aaron Schultz
> It is absolutely no help at all since the server list on Dalnet's web site
> is over 6 months old and most of those servers are long gone. Maybe if
> someone would update the server list, then it would be more helpfull. As it
> is, we have no clue what servers are running.
Actually, that page is PHP generated. The list itself is mostly up to
date with all servers that are currently part of DALnet. The "template"
page does not need to be updated daily. I've removed the "last modified"
time since it had nothing to do with when the page was really last
updated.
Unfortunately we are not able to modify the server list every single time
a server is taken down by DDOS to provide a list of "working" servers, nor
can I update the list of servers that are offline for an extended period
of time. The current structure simply doesn't allow for it.
Ook
Thanks for the update - that "last updated" date was reallying hurting the
credibility of your server list!!! If those are actuall current servers, I'd
say the ddos attackers are really giving Dalnet a run for their money
today...it's pretty bad out there.
What is causing "Unable to connect (Can't assign requested address)"? Many
of the servers on your list do that when attempting to connect, and a few
will "Unable to resolve server".
Mattias Ahnberg
O> What is causing "Unable to connect (Can't assign requested
O> address)"? Many of the servers on your list do that when attempting
O> to connect, and a few will "Unable to resolve server".
irc.dal.net points to 255.255.255.255, and that is what gives the
error. Some servers that aren't working for the moment is CNAME'd to
irc.dal.net, and thus they also get the error.
/ahnberg.
Ook
"Mattias Ahnberg" <mat...@ahnberg.pp.se> wrote in message
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Aha! As usual, an excellent explanation from Mattias. I'm finding about half
the servers on your server list do this. Tiscali is back up and running, it
seems to be one of your more stable servers.
So what is the long range solution? You enemies are wreaking havoc with
Dalnet, and a lot of people are complaining - not just here, but in my
channels, those that do connect complain that they have a very difficult
time. This has been going on for a while, but it's been particularly bad
this last week or so.
Mattias Ahnberg
O> So what is the long range solution?
Do what we can to assure reliability. But we will have serious
problems with stability, keeping clients online and servers linked,
until the attacks stop somehow. Issues like this are terribly
difficult to put an end to. Things take time, a lot of time.
O> You enemies are wreaking havoc with Dalnet, and a lot of people are
O> complaining - not just here, but in my channels, those that do
O> connect complain that they have a very difficult time. This has
O> been going on for a while, but it's been particularly bad this last
O> week or so.
It is up and down. The kids attacking us need to sleep once in a while
too, or do other things now and then, so its just when they're active
and online themselves that the havoc wreaks loose. :/
/ahnberg.
lostntime
Since these attacks are brutal, would it make sense to call in the FED's in
the USA to seek out and kill the lam duck wads that are attacking the
server, FBI and CIA can trace and hunt them down under the new cyber attack
rules. Interpol can take control also, to put an end to these attacks. I
don't care if a kid is doing this for fun, that kid killed many server and
cost millions of dollars world wide to fix a fun game.Once a kid starts to
attack, then that kid will keep doing it until caught.
I am aware that many servers are outside the USA, but with the war on terror
and cyber attacks picking up, perhaps it is time to call in reenforcments.
Once the attackers are found, then they will face massive charges in world
court under the new computer laws. Cyber attacks are not taken to lightly in
many countries.
Today it is dalnet, tomorrow it can be a bank, or nuclear site, or a launch
site, maybe water works, or airline control tower, you get the point. This
attack could be a test bed for something major, and it is time to take
action. The ports that is being attacked needs to be secured with passwords,
right now, DALnet requiers passwords before signing on many chat rooms, why
not make it a requierment for the server access. Granted, dalnet is free,
however we are in a diffrent world.
If you choose to requiere account for dalnet logins, then when a new person
join dalnet, a popup could be coded to have a new account created. Oh, 1
positive side to this? No more freaking sex spams, since you can get IP
addresses and other information about the person at time of account
creation. Spamers will create disposable accounts, but you got a new line of
defense agaist them.
Finally when you return online, it is time to BAN all bots except DALNET
server bots.Many bots could have started these attacks by watching and
learning.
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Aaron Schultz
> AARON, make a suggestion?
> Since these attacks are brutal, would it make sense to call in the FED's in
> the USA to seek out and kill the lam duck wads that are attacking the
> server, FBI and CIA can trace and hunt them down under the new cyber attack
> rules. Interpol can take control also, to put an end to these attacks.
I'm not personally invovled in the part of DALnet which deals with the
various law enforcement agencies, however there is such a part of DALnet.
Unfortunately, regardless of the "press coverage" of the "war on
terrorism" saying that it includes cyber terrorism, I have yet to see any
true impact on this side of things.
> Today it is dalnet, tomorrow it can be a bank, or nuclear site, or a launch
> site, maybe water works, or airline control tower, you get the point.
IRC networks have been posting information on attacks for years now. The
last time anyone outside decided to take notice was the day a few years
back when CNN, yahoo and such were attacked.. and for 1 day, the media
mentioned that IRC was a testing ground for such attacks.. and then we
were forgotten again.
Unfortunately, finding cooperation from media, government, law
enforcement, ISPs that will monitor their traffic for suspicious activity,
etc etc etc is easier said than done. Although, yes, we do have groups
that try.
Adam A. Wanderer
can't provide all of it's own security, they have to call the cops when
they're broken into. If this is just a kid, the worst he'll get is some
time in a kid's facility, and some badly need supervision afterwards.
"lostntime" <mb...@yahoo.com.net> wrote in message
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sdfsdfs
the attack affects enough commercially operated services to be considered a
real priority. Or Dalnet makes major political contributions to elected
officials to get ear time to lobby their support. Unfortunately for a free
service major cash flow is a problem.
As for the attack templating attacks on military or infrastructure
networks.....HA! Thats laughable.
"lostntime" <mb...@yahoo.com.net> wrote in message
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lostntime
before
Also, terrorist try to find a weaklink, once a link is found then they try
to get that machine to do the dirty work.
Firewall help, but that is not enough.
"sdfsdfs" <sdf...@sdsdf.com> wrote in message
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sdfsdfs
own dedicated networks. Even if someone gained access through a phone line
from the outside or directly from a physically unsecure terminal they're not
exactly going to have the bandwidth or systems to do a DDOS attack. The only
damage to be done on the Internet as you and I are familiar with is to the
consumer market. Businesses providing business to business services and
products or businesses dealing directly with consumers, both are ultimately
about the consumer market.
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