FWA prices!!!!
ozzie
should be a lot more expensive then ADSL, is that true?? If yes by how
much?? According to an ISP I should be able to get FWA this summer, but if
it's too expensive ($70 a month for 512 Kb/s) then I might as well forget
about it.
Mads Larsen
Lloyd Parsons
an XMAS special for one computer. Normal cost is $80.
You can expect FWA to be more expensive than DSL because the equipment costs
are much higher.
Lloyd
"ozzie" <oz...@mail.dk> wrote in message
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Kory
about $70 per month for 1.5mbps access, with equipment, with a $99
installation charge. True, equipment costs are higher for fixed wireless
access, but we're planning on subsidizing about half the cost of the
equipment to make our services affordable.
If you're curious about access in your area for FWA, you might check out the
ISP-Wireless mailing list archive at
http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-wireless/archives/. This is a well used
mailing list for WISP's (about 100-150 messages a day). The archive has an
excellent search engine which may prove helpful to you.
Have a good one! :-)
Regards,
Kory
Lloyd Parsons <ll...@lloydparsons.com> wrote in message
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leandickie
Believe it or not, in my area (Illinois) broadband fixed wireless internet
access is cheaper than DSL. DSL in my area is $50-$75 a month not including
an ISP(which is another $10-$20 a month by itself) whereas FWA is 50 bucks a
month including an ISP with 6 email addresses and a large amount of FTP
space. I'm slated to have FWA installed in the next week or so. Although I
have never had DSL in this area, from my friends' and family's personal
experiences, DSL in this area is very sketchy at best. I guess it's
different wherever you are but around here, DSL is victim to constant
"connection drop-outs"(as referred to by Verizon). You'll be getting 150k or
so a second and then, POOF!, you can't even load a simple text-based webpage
that you might go to all the time without waiting for 10-20 minutes. These
"connection drop-outs" are "the nature of the beast" as referred to by local
ISPs because of Verizon's equipment. As a matter of fact, most of my family
and friends are dropping conventional hard wired phone service/broadband
internet altogether and going with digital cell phones and wireless internet
out of defiance against the tyrant that is our local telephone and main DSL
provider, Verizon. Verizon isn't the only DSL/Internet provider but they
pick and choose who they will allow to use their equipment at their field
switching offices. So, needless to say, stay away from DSL if your local
phone company is Verizon. You are using Verizon whether you know it or not.
Leandickie
PS- Does anyone out there have any experience with these "connection
drop-outs" with DSL?
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Lloyd Parsons
Lloyd
"leandickie" <NO_SPAMl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Lloyd Parsons
"Kory" <kor...@nospam.cavtel.net> wrote in message
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> Not necessarily. We're looking to charge from $30 per month for 256kbps
to
> about $70 per month for 1.5mbps access, with equipment, with a $99
> installation charge. True, equipment costs are higher for fixed wireless
> access, but we're planning on subsidizing about half the cost of the
> equipment to make our services affordable.
Somewhere in there are you planning on making a profit? I don't know which
hardware you are using, but Breezecom seems to be very popular. I know the
cost on that equipment, and at $30 a month you are going to take a LOT of
months to recoup just the cost of hardware alone, then there's the interest,
the backbone, customer support and profit on top.
I am amazed at those that think running a company that dives for the bottom
in pricing is a way to be successful. All you have to do is look around and
see all those computer stores that tried that very same thing.
People that are not willing to pay a premium price for a premium service are
also the ones that will be the biggest problems, IMHO.
>
> If you're curious about access in your area for FWA, you might check out
the
> ISP-Wireless mailing list archive at
> http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-wireless/archives/. This is a well
used
> mailing list for WISP's (about 100-150 messages a day). The archive has
an
> excellent search engine which may prove helpful to you.
>
> Have a good one! :-)
>
> Regards,
> Kory
>
You too!
Thanks for the pointer...
Lloyd
Kory
>
> "Kory" <kor...@nospam.cavtel.net> wrote in message
> news:nMR46.345$456....@news-east.usenetserver.com...
> > Not necessarily. We're looking to charge from $30 per month for 256kbps
> to
> > about $70 per month for 1.5mbps access, with equipment, with a $99
> > installation charge. True, equipment costs are higher for fixed
wireless
> > access, but we're planning on subsidizing about half the cost of the
> > equipment to make our services affordable.
>
> Somewhere in there are you planning on making a profit? I don't know
which
> hardware you are using, but Breezecom seems to be very popular. I know
the
> cost on that equipment, and at $30 a month you are going to take a LOT of
> months to recoup just the cost of hardware alone, then there's the
interest,
> the backbone, customer support and profit on top.
Yeah, we'll make a profit in about 12-18 months. We're considering DSSS
equipment for our residential subscribers in rural localities. We're
looking at FHSS and P2P equipment for our business-level customers. We're
still evaluating various vendors' solutions.
Our business plan and projected financials are about 95% complete. I've
been working on the proposal for close to a year. I've obtained a CFO and
chief network engineer. We've ran our plans by various vendors and
small-business experts just to assure our numbers are reasonable. It'll
just take some time.
>
> I am amazed at those that think running a company that dives for the
bottom
> in pricing is a way to be successful. All you have to do is look around
and
> see all those computer stores that tried that very same thing.
I'd be happy to charge more but my regional research indicates those price
points are attractive for our services. We've also taken into consideration
the cost of CPE will surely go down by 3rd quarter this year and will be in
the sub-$500 range for 2002.
>
> People that are not willing to pay a premium price for a premium service
are
> also the ones that will be the biggest problems, IMHO.
Yeah, that's why we're charging an install fee; to try to eliminate any
"deadbeats." ;-)
>
> >
> > If you're curious about access in your area for FWA, you might check out
> the
> > ISP-Wireless mailing list archive at
> > http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-wireless/archives/. This is a well
> used
> > mailing list for WISP's (about 100-150 messages a day). The archive has
> an
> > excellent search engine which may prove helpful to you.
> >
> > Have a good one! :-)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Kory
> >
>
> You too!
>
> Thanks for the pointer...
No problem, Lloyd! :-)
Lloyd Parsons
this. Many new businesses don't do a good job of that. To be profitable in
12-18 months is great, especially considering that most new businesses don't
get profitable that quick.
> >
> > I am amazed at those that think running a company that dives for the
> bottom
> > in pricing is a way to be successful. All you have to do is look around
> and
> > see all those computer stores that tried that very same thing.
>
> I'd be happy to charge more but my regional research indicates those price
> points are attractive for our services. We've also taken into
consideration
> the cost of CPE will surely go down by 3rd quarter this year and will be
in
> the sub-$500 range for 2002.
>
That is good pricing. If I best remember the numbers, the Breezecom Pro 11
stuff ranges in cost from ~$850 to ~$1200 today.
> >
> > People that are not willing to pay a premium price for a premium service
> are
> > also the ones that will be the biggest problems, IMHO.
>
> Yeah, that's why we're charging an install fee; to try to eliminate any
> "deadbeats." ;-)
>
Yep, thats the way to go. The local guys were initially no charging an
install fee and found that to be troublesome. So, now they charge $100.
For my install, on a damn cold day with the wind right out of the North and
snowing, they didn't make any money for the install as it took practically
the whole day, and about 6 cups of cocoa to keep the installer warm! <G>
> >
> > >
> > > If you're curious about access in your area for FWA, you might check
out
> > the
> > > ISP-Wireless mailing list archive at
> > > http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-wireless/archives/. This is a
well
> > used
> > > mailing list for WISP's (about 100-150 messages a day). The archive
has
> > an
> > > excellent search engine which may prove helpful to you.
> > >
> > > Have a good one! :-)
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Kory
> > >
> >
> > You too!
> >
> > Thanks for the pointer...
>
> No problem, Lloyd! :-)
>
Good luck with your project.
Lloyd
Kory
>
> Good for you. Looks like you've really worked on the financial side of
> this. Many new businesses don't do a good job of that. To be profitable
in
> 12-18 months is great, especially considering that most new businesses
don't
> get profitable that quick.
Thx, Lloyd. I appreciate your kind words. We're hoping our projections
won't be too far off.
>
>
> That is good pricing. If I best remember the numbers, the Breezecom Pro
11
> stuff ranges in cost from ~$850 to ~$1200 today.
$500 by '02 is what our Breezecom (good guess!) rep mentioned to me the
other day. We're going to be going with their BreezeACCESS II solution.
Still FHSS but a bit less expensive and geared more towards the WISP market
vs. indoor solutions.
You remembered correctly for the AP's for the Pro.11 solution. The SU's are
about $600-700, depending on the distributor. We're fortunate to get our
Breezecom equipment for about 35% off of list. We're not planning on making
much on equipment because it'll still be fairly expensive to our end users
(which is why we're considering subsidizing about 50% of it).
> Yep, thats the way to go. The local guys were initially no charging an
> install fee and found that to be troublesome. So, now they charge $100.
> For my install, on a damn cold day with the wind right out of the North
and
> snowing, they didn't make any money for the install as it took practically
> the whole day, and about 6 cups of cocoa to keep the installer warm! <G>
Oh, wow. That must have been difficult; not charging an install fee.
At least you had the decency and compassion to offer the installer something
hot to drink! Sounds like it was a difficult job.
Are you happy with your connection? Are you using Breezecom equipment?
Curious...
Talk with you later!
Brian Bortz
Do you supply connections only using FWA or other connections as well?
Brian
"Kory" <kor...@nospam.cavtel.net> wrote in message
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Lloyd Parsons
week. Up and down, resets all over the place. I'm not a happy camper.
But, they were out over the weekend helping me cuss the system. Still not
fixed, but I'm number 1 on the fix list this Monday morning. I've been
internet deprived all weekend....
Lloyd
Kory
Sounds like they're doing their best to try to get you back up and running.
I'm sure they appreciate your insight. I know I would! :-)
Lloyd Parsons <ll...@lloydparsons.com> wrote in message
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Kory
connections up to DS-3 if requested. We can also provide business-class DSL
from 128kbps, depending on location.
HTH. :-)
Regards,
Kory
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Lloyd Parsons
> Ouch, Lloyd. Sorry to hear that. :-(
>
have it. <G>
> Sounds like they're doing their best to try to get you back up and
running.
> I'm sure they appreciate your insight. I know I would! :-)
>
I have worked with them and we've figgered out that its a tree issue. So we
did a couple things:
1. Broke out the bow saw for the branch on my property that is the offender
2. Turned the antenna upside down. (Don't ask!)
This bunch is a little strange, but aren't all geeks? <G>
I've shown them that Sygate (software) and Cable/DSL routers will work fine
for multi-computer installs. I explained that from a business standpoint,
using a single mac address radio is cheaper, and the routers are less costly
than going to a multi mac address radio. I told them that what seemed to
make sense to me was to use the router, but charge per computer just as they
are structured now. Would result in better return on investment, IMHO.
They don't seem conducive to this.
BTW, one of the things you will probably notice is that the Breezecom stuff
runs faster at night. I've had multiple reports of that, from users of both
the Breezecom systems. Just a little oddity.
Lloyd
Kory
>
>
> You don't realize how much time you spend on the ol' net until you don't
> have it. <G>
Yeah, I can relate. :-) Sometimes I think I take the high-speed connection
at work for granted (especially when the proxy server goes down!)
>
> I have worked with them and we've figgered out that its a tree issue. So
we
> did a couple things:
>
> 1. Broke out the bow saw for the branch on my property that is the
offender
>
> 2. Turned the antenna upside down. (Don't ask!)
Believe me or not but, I've heard that before.
>
> This bunch is a little strange, but aren't all geeks? <G>
That's what makes it so fun!
>
> I've shown them that Sygate (software) and Cable/DSL routers will work
fine
> for multi-computer installs. I explained that from a business standpoint,
> using a single mac address radio is cheaper, and the routers are less
costly
> than going to a multi mac address radio. I told them that what seemed to
> make sense to me was to use the router, but charge per computer just as
they
> are structured now. Would result in better return on investment, IMHO.
> They don't seem conducive to this.
Really? Interesting... We're considering using a single SU for MTU/MDU
access and using Linksys router to break the bandwidth out to individual
units (pretty much exactly what you suggested).
>
> BTW, one of the things you will probably notice is that the Breezecom
stuff
> runs faster at night. I've had multiple reports of that, from users of
both
> the Breezecom systems. Just a little oddity.
That IS odd. Probably has something to do with the atmosphere and moisture
conditions. I'll have to remember that.
Thx for the tip!