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Chas

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Aug 8, 2006, 4:10:56 PM8/8/06
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Launched website approx nine months ago and was told by generous and
knowledgeable individuals from this chatroom that external links were
needed to increase Google PR. Got sidetracked with another critical
project but have finally refocused on website and put SERP'S at the top
of priority list.

Is anyone familiar with the PR Prowler software www.prprowler.com to
generate links ?

Would appreciate feedback on same and any other suggestions for
obtaining relevant links. We manufacture / sell high end leathergoods
and if possible would like to obtain links of related caliber.

Thanks, Chas

http://www.charlesunderwood.biz/servlet/StoreFront

canadafred

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Aug 8, 2006, 5:27:07 PM8/8/06
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I may have a suggestion for you but first I need to know what caliber
web site would you consider yours to be in case they exceed the
generally accepted standards?

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Chas

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Aug 8, 2006, 8:35:04 PM8/8/06
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> Chas wrote:
> >
> > Is anyone familiar with the PR Prowler software www.prprowler.com to
> > generate links ?
>
> > Would appreciate feedback on same and any other suggestions for
> > obtaining relevant links. We manufacture / sell high end leathergoods
> > and if possible would like to obtain links of related caliber.
>
> canadafred wrote:
> I may have a suggestion for you but first I need to know what caliber
> web site would you consider yours to be in case they exceed the
> generally accepted standards?

Perhaps, rather than "related caliber", it would be more appropriate
to say "related industries". This includes, but is not limited to,
Mens and Womens Fashions, Jewelry, Home Decor / Furnishings,
Stationery, Writing Instruments, Gift Industry, Hand Crafted Items,
Collectibles and Antiques etc.

Thanks, Chas

http://www.charlesunderwood.biz/servlet/StoreFront

canadafred

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canadafred

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Chas wrote:
> > Chas wrote:
> > >
> > > Is anyone familiar with the PR Prowler software www.prprowler.com to
> > > generate links ?
> >
> > > Would appreciate feedback on same and any other suggestions for
> > > obtaining relevant links. We manufacture / sell high end leathergoods
> > > and if possible would like to obtain links of related caliber.

Sorry about the earlier misposting.

I can give you my angle on all this PR link building startegy.

Google discourages the practice of inflating your content by
artificially enhance its importance through linking schemes ( link
building schemes ). Period.

The trendy manipulation technique is sometimes innocently known as link
building. Seems to be the standard technique in most optimizers, they
are good beggards of links. A whole new industry has evolved from this
PR bar. Everybody's got to make the bar move up another notch. Google
must put an end to this madness. PR starved masses.

PR has little or nothing to do with rankings in the organic results.
Little or none. Get as many links as you want, get as many closely
related to yours as you want, go about it in any way you see fit;
empower your content externally depending entirely on the forces
outside of your control and depend on them with all your might, and
then pray. You never know in that game, you never know.

Stacey

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Aug 8, 2006, 9:19:27 PM8/8/06
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"Chas" <sa...@charlesunderwood.biz> wrote in message
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>> Chas wrote:
>> >
>> > Is anyone familiar with the PR Prowler software www.prprowler.com to
>> > generate links ?

I feel link generation software is pushing the limits to the spam side. To
me it is better to hand pick the links. This way you actually know the
site's integrity.


>> > Would appreciate feedback on same and any other suggestions for
>> > obtaining relevant links. We manufacture / sell high end leathergoods
>> > and if possible would like to obtain links of related caliber.
>>
>> canadafred wrote:
>> I may have a suggestion for you but first I need to know what caliber
>> web site would you consider yours to be in case they exceed the
>> generally accepted standards?
>
> Perhaps, rather than "related caliber", it would be more appropriate
> to say "related industries". This includes, but is not limited to,
> Mens and Womens Fashions, Jewelry, Home Decor / Furnishings,
> Stationery, Writing Instruments, Gift Industry, Hand Crafted Items,
> Collectibles and Antiques etc.


Yes, gain good quality links in those areas are fine.

Stacey

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Paul

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Aug 8, 2006, 9:30:28 PM8/8/06
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On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 03:19:27 +0200, "Stacey"
<Remove-th...@staceyssimplestuff.com> wrote:

>"Chas" <sa...@charlesunderwood.biz> wrote in message
>news:1155083703....@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>>> Chas wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Is anyone familiar with the PR Prowler software www.prprowler.com to
>>> > generate links ?
>
>I feel link generation software is pushing the limits to the spam side. To
>me it is better to hand pick the links. This way you actually know the
>site's integrity.

I second that.
Get a better return rate as well.

Also stops you looking stupid as well. For the last few weeks there
has been a message on one of my sites that says we have stopped
exchanging links.

I still get at least 10 a day. Almost all start with "We visited your
site and realized that it has a good content. We'd like to exchange
links with your site to help both of us improving our ranking on
search engine."

So, they never did look at the site. I don't even bother replying. So,
you are really wasiting your time with these.

If you exchange links then manually check the site and manually write
a letter.

plh
Paul

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Stacey

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Aug 8, 2006, 9:32:26 PM8/8/06
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"canadafred" <canadi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Chas wrote:
>> > Chas wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Is anyone familiar with the PR Prowler software www.prprowler.com to
>> > > generate links ?
>> >
>> > > Would appreciate feedback on same and any other suggestions for
>> > > obtaining relevant links. We manufacture / sell high end leathergoods
>> > > and if possible would like to obtain links of related caliber.
>
> Sorry about the earlier misposting.

It happens.:-_

> I can give you my angle on all this PR link building startegy.

The word is strategy:-) If the person goes for related and not PR it is fine
IMO. There is nothing wrong with gaining good links. If it comes with PR
then good also. Chas just keep in mind that those site you lank from if they
are serious at gaining popularity and trustworthiness then their PR will go
up. Look at PR as a good side effect, don't go after it.

> Google discourages the practice of inflating your content by
> artificially enhance its importance through linking schemes ( link
> building schemes ). Period.

Then it would discourage making sites just for links themselves to your own
related sites also I would presume. You know a gaggle of similar sites.

Gaining related links to get your site out is fine. In fact Google
encourages this also!

> The trendy manipulation technique is sometimes innocently known as link
> building. Seems to be the standard technique in most optimizers, they
> are good beggards of links. A whole new industry has evolved from this
> PR bar. Everybody's got to make the bar move up another notch. Google
> must put an end to this madness. PR starved masses.

You seem to misunderstand a lot with some factors. A lot of link building is
not for PR. but for gaining good related links to other sites. Not everyone
is concerned to much with it. I don't see Google getting rid of PR it is
what their SE was built upon. All you need is a PR 5 link going to a couple
sites to get them up, then you can feed those other 10 vacation sites you
own, and that isn't counting the blogs.:-) Guess what after that because of
the cross linking frenzy you got going it will build and build. :-)

<snip>

Stacey

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Aug 8, 2006, 9:34:25 PM8/8/06
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"Stacey" <Remove-th...@staceyssimplestuff.com> wrote in message
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<snip>

>
> The word is strategy:-) If the person goes for related and not PR it is
> fine IMO. There is nothing wrong with gaining good links. If it comes with
> PR then good also. Chas just keep in mind that those site you lank from if
> they are serious at gaining popularity and trustworthiness then their PR
> will go up. Look at PR as a good side effect, don't go after it.

Typo Link from: Seen it after pressing the button.:-) See even I can't
spell.:-)


canadafred

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Aug 8, 2006, 10:08:42 PM8/8/06
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What is you obsession with bringing in my web sites into every fucking
argument you create with me. I am getting tired of little ass chasing
me all over the fucking place trying to discredit my work. Leave me the
fuck alone!

Big Bill

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Aug 8, 2006, 10:24:16 PM8/8/06
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Big Bill

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On 8 Aug 2006 19:08:42 -0700, "canadafred" <canadi...@hotmail.com>
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Stacey hit a nerve, it seems!

Big Bill

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Aug 8, 2006, 10:24:16 PM8/8/06
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On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 03:32:26 +0200, "Stacey"
<Remove-th...@staceyssimplestuff.com> wrote:

>"canadafred" <canadi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1155085548.4...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Chas wrote:
>>> > Chas wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > Is anyone familiar with the PR Prowler software www.prprowler.com to
>>> > > generate links ?
>>> >
>>> > > Would appreciate feedback on same and any other suggestions for
>>> > > obtaining relevant links. We manufacture / sell high end leathergoods
>>> > > and if possible would like to obtain links of related caliber.
>>
>> Sorry about the earlier misposting.
>
>It happens.:-_
>
>> I can give you my angle on all this PR link building startegy.
>
>The word is strategy:-) If the person goes for related and not PR it is fine
>IMO. There is nothing wrong with gaining good links. If it comes with PR
>then good also. Chas just keep in mind that those site you lank from if they
>are serious at gaining popularity and trustworthiness then their PR will go
>up. Look at PR as a good side effect, don't go after it.

That's sensibly expressed.

>> Google discourages the practice of inflating your content by
>> artificially enhance its importance through linking schemes ( link
>> building schemes ). Period.
>
>Then it would discourage making sites just for links themselves to your own
>related sites also I would presume. You know a gaggle of similar sites.

Mininets. You know Michael "Revenge of the Mininet" Campbell is
getting out of the affiliate business?

Stacey

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Aug 8, 2006, 10:55:05 PM8/8/06
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<snip>

>
> Stacey hit a nerve, it seems!

Yes, I did. It hurts when a person is about to bring the truth.:-)

Stacey


Stacey

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Because Fred what you have going on isn't ethical from what you preach
almost daily. You preach ethics, in fact you stand on top of ethics so
proudly but yet these aren't ethical and you know it! You put down people
for building or exchanging links calling them unethical. You start fights
elsewhere on ethics and hold your ground and brag about it. " I just beat a
team of 50 of them ganged up together in a complex self-pumping network."
You bragged here about Dani web and even wrote about it in your blog. Boy
wonder what would have happened if the ones you were arguing with had known
about these.

Fred if you are going to preach ethics you have to live it, breathe it, eat
it! Don't say on one hand that link building doesn't work., or not use
anchor text because of the manipulation it can cause and not give organic
results. It isn't really those 10 sites that is a big wrong, it is that what
you state to people is not what you do yourself. If you are going to be an
activist you have to be good in all the areas not just pick and choose.

It is you that say you are up against the ropes and are being torn down. You
choose your path and this is where is laid you. You put other down
obsessively, but when it is found that hey look you are not doing what you
should then you loose it. If someone was unethical on your battle ground you
would let them have it, well it is happening to you.

I really dislike dishonesty. You claimed in another thread that you don't
know about other countries but in your homeland you are raise to be honest.
I am sorry this is not honest in anyway. To me you let yourself down and
every SEO who tries to be ethical. I do not know what you little agenda was,
trying to gather up as many SEO's to have this sort of purpose I don't know
"That's why I am reaching around me to others I know are the real SEO deal
too. We need to support each other against the onslaught of mega-machine
monsters." http://www.morearnings.com/2006/07/17/seo-consultant-ranking.

I am sorry, but I feel your integrity is lost because of this. I feel just
as adamantly about this as I feel there are a lot of ethical SEO's out
there. Yes there are the many who take the money and run. But there are also
many who are very good. Many just starting up and on the rise. Whatever you
say can not change this lie. Even if you say hey I have been testing this
and I know it to be true, I am sorry from this point on Fred there isn't any
trust in believing you speak the truth! You have people here in this group
that have giving you links out of trust. And because of this they may have
linked to a bad neighborhood.

BTW I don't have to discredit you did it to yourself by having these (there
are probably more but hey this is enough):
http://www.canadawilds.com/ - http://whois.domaintools.com/canadawilds.com
http://www.canada-bear-hunting.com/ -
http://whois.domaintools.com/canada-bear-hunting.com
http://www.aubergecartier.com/ -
http://whois.domaintools.com/aubergecartier.com
http://www.canadventures.net/ -
http://whois.domaintools.com/canadventures.net
http://www.bird-watching-canada.com/ -
http://whois.domaintools.com/bird-watching-canada.com
http://www.all-inclusive-vacations-canada.com/ -
http://whois.domaintools.com/all-inclusive-vacations-canada.com
http://www.canada-convention-center.com/ -
http://whois.domaintools.com/canada-convention-center.com
http://www.vacancequebec.net/ -
http://whois.domaintools.com/vacancequebec.net
http://www.campingquebec.net/ -
http://whois.domaintools.com/campingquebec.net
http://www.conferencequebec.net/ -
http://whois.domaintools.com/conferencequebec.net
http://www.christian-spiritual-retreats.com/ -
http://whois.domaintools.com/christian-spiritual-retreats.com

Which are closely related to
http://www.lillabelle.com http://whois.domaintools.com/lillabelle.com
http://whois.domaintools.com/polarbearoutfitters.com
http://www.fly-in-fishing.net/ -
http://whois.domaintools.com/fly-in-fishing.net

Then there is the closely related blogs:
http://all-inclusive-vacations-canada.blogspot.com/
http://fly-in-fishing.blogspot.com/
http://snowmobile-vacation.blogspot.com/
http://canada-bear-hunting.blogspot.com/
http://spiritual-retreats.blogspot.com/


Chas

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Aug 8, 2006, 11:35:37 PM8/8/06
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Stacey wrote:

> "Chas" <sa...@charlesunderwood.biz> wrote in message
> news:1155083703....@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> >> Chas wrote:
> >> > Would appreciate feedback on same and any other suggestions for
> >> > obtaining relevant links. We manufacture / sell high end leathergoods
> >> > and if possible would like to obtain links of related caliber.
> >

> > Perhaps, rather than "related caliber", it would be more appropriate
> > to say "related industries". This includes, but is not limited to,
> > Mens and Womens Fashions, Jewelry, Home Decor / Furnishings,
> > Stationery, Writing Instruments, Gift Industry, Hand Crafted Items,
> > Collectibles and Antiques etc.
>
>
> Yes, gain good quality links in those areas are fine.
>

Do you suggest approaching these sites individually by email ?

Thanks, Chas
http://www.charlesunderwood.biz/servlet/StoreFront

Stacey

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Aug 8, 2006, 11:43:10 PM8/8/06
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"Chas" <sa...@charlesunderwood.biz> wrote in message
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> Stacey wrote:
<snip>

>> Yes, gain good quality links in those areas are fine.
>>
> Do you suggest approaching these sites individually by email ?

Yes, just to get started. One you get going you will see that they will be
contacting you. Look the site over, most of small website owners are eager
to exchange links. Look over their site and if you like something let them
know. Some are ready post on their main links page how to exchange links
with them. Normally it is best to have their link up before sending the
email. You will be surprise with how many will exchange with you. The are a
few directories you can joining also. Designingonline and Ruby Glen are home
decor and design directories. That is a start.

Chas

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Aug 9, 2006, 12:09:20 AM8/9/06
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> > Stacey wrote:
>
> > Do you suggest approaching these sites individually by email ?
>
> Yes, just to get started. One you get going you will see that they will be
> contacting you. Look the site over, most of small website owners are eager
> to exchange links. Look over their site and if you like something let them
> know. Some are ready post on their main links page how to exchange links
> with them. Normally it is best to have their link up before sending the
> email. You will be surprise with how many will exchange with you. The are a
> few directories you can joining also. Designingonline and Ruby Glen are home
> decor and design directories. That is a start.
>

Really appreciate the advice. Will get right on it.

Thanks again, Chas
http://www.charlesunderwood.biz/servlet/StoreFront

Big Bill

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Aug 9, 2006, 2:22:48 AM8/9/06
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On 8 Aug 2006 20:35:37 -0700, "Chas" <sa...@charlesunderwood.biz>
wrote:

It's probably the best way to do it.

Big Bill

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I don't know that it's that simple with Fred, I don't think anything
ever is.

Jez

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Aug 9, 2006, 4:35:13 AM8/9/06
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Fred,

My take on linking is that without it, what is the net?

Aside from search engines and SEO, good links can also bring good, money
spending traffic. Something one of my sites was reliant on during its
last google time out period of one month.

I say get as many related links as possible and forget the search
engines as much as you can. Search engines are finicky creatures that
love you one minute and hate you the next. A good relationship with
other webmasters who can pass you good traffic, that you can reciprocate
is a more solid foundation for a lasting web site. It also happens that
search engines look for popular linked to sites and rank them higher.
Win, win.

One major lesson that I have learned is not to put all of your eggs in
one SE basket. Get traffic from as many different directions as possible
so that when the inevitable happens you aren't leaping off the nearest
high building. To me that means links and networking with other sites of
similar or the same interest.

I wouldn't recommend any link schemes either and would run a mile from
anything link PR Prowler as, without looking at it, I know that it will
have no real quality control. Quality control is everything when it
comes to exchanging links.

> PR has little or nothing to do with rankings in the organic results.

I disagree. PR is still relevant.

Jez.

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canadafred

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Aug 9, 2006, 6:28:23 AM8/9/06
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Big Bill wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 04:55:05 +0200, "Stacey"
> <Remove-th...@staceyssimplestuff.com> wrote:
>
> >"Big Bill" <kr...@cityscape.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:2lhid250j6dhpa2lf...@4ax.com...
> >
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> >>
> >> Stacey hit a nerve, it seems!
> >
> >Yes, I did. It hurts when a person is about to bring the truth.:-)

Quit playing games. You want to say something, say it. Don't keep
messing with my head. You have something to reveal to these people, do
it. You hold nothing over me, nothing! You have no power over me.
Nothing! You think you have something to use against me, go ahead, tell
the world about you think you have that can hurt me. Get it out of your
system. Expose my secrets if you want then shut the fuck up.

> I don't know that it's that simple with Fred, I don't think anything
> ever is.

I have skeletons in my pesonal life's closet.

Pity people have to resort to blackmail. That is what I get for being
honest and open I guess. Should never have trusted her with personal
information, I misjudged her character, I was fooled myself in
believing she was a nice person.

Big Bill

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Aug 9, 2006, 7:28:25 AM8/9/06
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On 9 Aug 2006 03:28:23 -0700, "canadafred" <canadi...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
>Big Bill wrote:
>> On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 04:55:05 +0200, "Stacey"
>> <Remove-th...@staceyssimplestuff.com> wrote:
>>
>> >"Big Bill" <kr...@cityscape.co.uk> wrote in message
>> >news:2lhid250j6dhpa2lf...@4ax.com...
>> >
>> >
>> ><snip>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Stacey hit a nerve, it seems!
>> >
>> >Yes, I did. It hurts when a person is about to bring the truth.:-)
>
>Quit playing games. You want to say something, say it. Don't keep
>messing with my head. You have something to reveal to these people, do
>it. You hold nothing over me, nothing! You have no power over me.
>Nothing! You think you have something to use against me, go ahead, tell
>the world about you think you have that can hurt me. Get it out of your
>system. Expose my secrets if you want then shut the fuck up.
>
>> I don't know that it's that simple with Fred, I don't think anything
>> ever is.
>
>I have skeletons in my pesonal life's closet.

Oooh! I'm drawing my chair closer now...:-)

Stacey

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"canadafred" <canadi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
<snip>

> I have skeletons in my pesonal life's closet.
>
> Pity people have to resort to blackmail. That is what I get for being
> honest and open I guess. Should never have trusted her with personal
> information, I misjudged her character, I was fooled myself in
> believing she was a nice person.


Has nothing to do with that Fred. LOL! you seem to think your personal life
is going to come out it didn't. I already said something earlier. The truth
came out. I don't have to use what you told me. And who is playing games now
letting everyone know you told me something and telling them I am going to
tell. LOL!! You integrity was lost with all those sites. Yes, I posted them
in this thread. Game Over!

Stacey


Stacey

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Aug 9, 2006, 8:25:18 AM8/9/06
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"Big Bill" <kr...@cityscape.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On 9 Aug 2006 03:28:23 -0700, "canadafred" <canadi...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>Big Bill wrote:
>>> On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 04:55:05 +0200, "Stacey"
>>> <Remove-th...@staceyssimplestuff.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >"Big Bill" <kr...@cityscape.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> >news:2lhid250j6dhpa2lf...@4ax.com...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> ><snip>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> Stacey hit a nerve, it seems!
>>> >
>>> >Yes, I did. It hurts when a person is about to bring the truth.:-)
>>
>>Quit playing games. You want to say something, say it. Don't keep
>>messing with my head. You have something to reveal to these people, do
>>it. You hold nothing over me, nothing! You have no power over me.
>>Nothing! You think you have something to use against me, go ahead, tell
>>the world about you think you have that can hurt me. Get it out of your
>>system. Expose my secrets if you want then shut the fuck up.
>>
>>> I don't know that it's that simple with Fred, I don't think anything
>>> ever is.
>>
>>I have skeletons in my pesonal life's closet.
>
> Oooh! I'm drawing my chair closer now...:-)

Then you need to read the posting to where I said something. To bad there
are only some people who can stand up to people who aren't really who they
say they are. Fred always wanted praises. I don't mind the ridicule. He lied
about linking and such. He has numerous sites. He is unethical that is all.
I wouldn't say anything about what he told me.

Stacey


Stacey

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Aug 9, 2006, 8:27:05 AM8/9/06
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"Chas" <sa...@charlesunderwood.biz> wrote in message
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>> > Stacey wrote:
>>
>> > Do you suggest approaching these sites individually by email ?
>>
>> Yes, just to get started. One you get going you will see that they will
>> be
>> contacting you. Look the site over, most of small website owners are
>> eager
>> to exchange links. Look over their site and if you like something let
>> them
>> know. Some are ready post on their main links page how to exchange links
>> with them. Normally it is best to have their link up before sending the
>> email. You will be surprise with how many will exchange with you. The are
>> a
>> few directories you can joining also. Designingonline and Ruby Glen are
>> home
>> decor and design directories. That is a start.
>>


You are welcome.

canadafred

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Aug 9, 2006, 9:41:04 AM8/9/06
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Well, if you win something for your efforts, then congratulations I
guess. Leave me alone now. Sorry about getting upset, it isn't usually
my style. Things are definitely coming to a boiling point inside and
outside of me.

I got pissed off at the world and cranked my marketing angle up another
notch. Shit's gonna' fly now.

Best of luck with yours.

Stacey

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>
> Stacey wrote:
>> "canadafred" <canadi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1155119303.5...@n13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> <snip>
>>
>> > I have skeletons in my pesonal life's closet.
>> >
>> > Pity people have to resort to blackmail. That is what I get for being
>> > honest and open I guess. Should never have trusted her with personal
>> > information, I misjudged her character, I was fooled myself in
>> > believing she was a nice person.
>>
>>
>> Has nothing to do with that Fred. LOL! you seem to think your personal
>> life
>> is going to come out it didn't. I already said something earlier. The
>> truth
>> came out. I don't have to use what you told me. And who is playing games
>> now
>> letting everyone know you told me something and telling them I am going
>> to
>> tell. LOL!! You integrity was lost with all those sites. Yes, I posted
>> them
>> in this thread. Game Over!
>>
> Well, if you win something for your efforts, then congratulations I
> guess. Leave me alone now. Sorry about getting upset, it isn't usually
> my style. Things are definitely coming to a boiling point inside and
> outside of me.

Things usually do when someone is doing wrong and they get caught.

> I got pissed off at the world and cranked my marketing angle up another
> notch. Shit's gonna' fly now.

Good, I am not scared Fred. So now you are doing something morally wrong to
lash out after someone told on you. Why should I keep it quiet, when it is
unethical? You really are ethical aren't you? You did everything yourself by
creating your web of deceit(literately a web with those sites). Don't worry,
I haven't put spam report in yet. But I might not have to as I feel Google
will come around on it's own.

> Best of luck with yours.

Thank you so very much Fred. I have had tons of luck with mine.:-)

canadafred

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Stacey wrote:

<snip>

> Don't worry,
> I haven't put spam report in yet. But I might not have to as I feel Google
> will come around on it's own.

Typical of your type of subtleties. Bother someone else for a while
will ya'?


Ethical SEO Expert http://canadian-web-site-promotion.blogspot.com/

Stacey

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--
Crafts - Directory - Your Online Crafting Source
http://www.ecraftsonline.net/
A New Focus In Web Marketing - Search Engine Optimization
http://jezsta.com

"canadafred" <canadi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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>
> Stacey wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Don't worry,
>> I haven't put spam report in yet. But I might not have to as I feel
>> Google
>> will come around on it's own.
>
> Typical of your type of subtleties. Bother someone else for a while
> will ya'?

"I got pissed off at the world and cranked my marketing angle up another


notch. Shit's gonna' fly now."

Oh, typical of your subtleties also.:-)

I will if someone I feel is doing wrong. Just as you seem fit to thrash
SEO's and people.

Stacey


canadafred

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Stacey wrote:

<snip>

> I will if someone I feel is doing wrong. Just as you seem fit to thrash
> SEO's and people.

... but you fail to cease your vicious attack. There is a big
difference in our approaches to what we feel is illuminating the
disillusioned. Yours appears based in ruthlessness whereas mine in
love, as my lashing ceases at the point where the confused is offered
my hope. Sometimes my approach is stern, yours is a snake.

Stacey

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Only to those as you Fred who go non stop with indirectly putting those down
with your word thrashing. You keep saying things that aren't true trying to
weasel your way out of a corner. As long as I catch you in a lie, it goes
further to prove you are unethical as your integrity goes further down the
drain. You earlier this week had thought I would divulge what you had told
me and even mentioned it again. You see I don't play that. Like I said I
could have used that but I am not like that. Normally, people who are
dishonest will show their true face sooner or later. You got caught. Now you
can move on. But you had better stop with the ethical preaching because you
aren't it.

Yours is done out of love? How can you say that? What a crock of BS. Yours
is done to make you look good and try to make you rise above others. While
mine drops someone back to earth with realization that hey they can't do
something totally ethical as they say they can or they aren't who they say
they are. You continue to spew your vengeance in other ways, saying that you
are stopping the big guys that are unethical. You talk like it is a
battle.(cough) Well Fred you lost the battle of ethical, you don't tell the
truth as I have seen. If you don't want to stop, then stop replying to the
thread.

This is the Usenet. Forces come from all around. If you dish it you have to
take it also. :-)

Stacey


canadafred

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Stacey wrote:

Well, I guess you got me there that time. There is nothing I can say to
dispute that. You win, I am big smuck.

canadafred

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... I forgot this part ...

Ethical SEO information courtesy of:
--
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Internet Marketing Services
http://canadian-web-site-promotion.blogspot.com/

canadafred

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Stacey wrote:
as just posted on
http://www.morearnings.com/2006/07/17/seo-consultant-ranking 'cause I
expect the coward to erase it.

"Between you and Stacey and probably others, you have been doing a fine
job trying to discredit my stands.

It makes for good old fashioned SEO fist-to-cuffs in the Internet
Search Engines Newsgroup. It is good for the industry to get a broad
perspective. I would appreciate however, that any "behing the scenes"
involvement of yours in orchestrating this lately attack on my ethics
to cease.

See ya' in the SERPs Goldenboy! Let the search engines themselves be
the judge."

got this cowardly notice:

Sorry, but your comment has been flagged by the spam filter running on
this blog: this might be an error, in which case all apologies. Your
comment will be presented to the blog admin who will be able to restore
it immediately.
You may want to contact the blog admin via e-mail to notify him.

second time :

Duplicate comment detected; it looks as though you've already said
that!

So I quit for now.

Ethical

Following the stated rules of right and wrong in a competition.

SEO

The process of optimizing webpages and web sites to perform well in the
organic rankings on the major search engines. Search engine optimizers
choose targeted keyphrases related to a website and ensure that the
site ranks well when those keyphrases are queried on the major search
engines.

Expert

A person with a high degree of skill in or knowledge of a certain
subject.

Advocate

Someone who speaks or writes in support of something he believes in.

--
Ethical SEO Expert and Search Engine Optimization Ethics Advocate

http://www.rezultz-web-site-promotion.com/

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canadafred wrote:

I forgot

... and please stop involving my present and past clients in your
arguments. You want to argue about rezultz fine, that's mine. You want
to kick me in the balls? Fine, I'll facilitate that if I can but
please, out of some fiber left in me as an SEO professional, please
stop involving my past and present clients. I and they have much to
lose. I perhaps meritingly but let the search engines be their judge,
not Stacey and her gang of international roughnecks.

--
Doing My Own SEO Damage Since 1688
http://www.rezultz-web-site-promotion.com/

canadafred

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Jez wrote:

<snip>

so, that's all you got?

Stacey

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>
> canadafred wrote:
>
> I forgot
>
> ... and please stop involving my present and past clients in your
> arguments. You want to argue about rezultz fine, that's mine. You want
> to kick me in the balls? Fine, I'll facilitate that if I can but
> please, out of some fiber left in me as an SEO professional, please
> stop involving my past and present clients. I and they have much to
> lose. I perhaps meritingly but let the search engines be their judge,
> not Stacey and her gang of international roughnecks.


Fred those 10 sites are your sites. They are in your name within the
registration. That is why I posted the domain tools. So it would prove they
are yours. Don't try and dance around the water and say they are not yours.
It is Ethical SEO you preach, so it is your PRESENT ways that got you this
time. The 3 after the 10 before the blogs are someone else's, same address
as you though.

If you persist in trying to look ethical and boast about how good you are
about being ethical. Plus it is crap like this "root of most of the hurt SEO
egos I burst along my way." LOL!! you are so full of yourself I wonder why
you just don't burst open with the crap you are filled with.

Shoot, try and act like a rational human being as you haven't been lately.
Sorry, Fred you lost again. Want to try again?

Stacey


Paul

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On 9 Aug 2006 18:53:04 -0700, "canadafred" <canadi...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
>Jez wrote:
>
<unsniped>
Fred,

Jez.
</unsnipped>

>
>so, that's all you got?

Lighten up Fred. What Jez said is 100% true. I fully agree with what
was said.

Go on treat yourself on me http://www.jupitergrass.ca/shop/ ;)

plh
Paul

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>
> Stacey wrote:
> as just posted on
> http://www.morearnings.com/2006/07/17/seo-consultant-ranking 'cause I
> expect the coward to erase it.
>
> "Between you and Stacey and probably others, you have been doing a fine
> job trying to discredit my stands.

No Fred you did that yourself with your gaggle of sites. You even admitted
to it earlier. Those are your site no one else's but yours. I will list them
again. Plus, you said it was missing one. I wasn't putting the eagle one as
that isn't yours. The other one probably was a fishing one. Yeah, I knew
about that one also.

> It makes for good old fashioned SEO fist-to-cuffs in the Internet
> Search Engines Newsgroup. It is good for the industry to get a broad
> perspective. I would appreciate however, that any "behing the scenes"
> involvement of yours in orchestrating this lately attack on my ethics
> to cease.

Dave had nothing to do with it. He just commented to you changing your mind
on how he did things 3 days later. I found all of your sites. I did it on my
own! But you like to fight, like I said Fred you chew people out and really
put them down. I have seen it here and I had read it over in the Dani web.

> See ya' in the SERPs Goldenboy! Let the search engines themselves be
> the judge."

LOL!!! Ok Dave it is time to gain some SERPs.:-) George Bush would be glad
if he wasn't a miserable failure. But that would be a very hard SERP to get.
Maybe since Fred thinks we are doing a "behind the scenes" we can really
think something up. Meet ya at 3PM for coffee, I will make sure to have some
tea for ya. Bring the gang also it is going to be an all dayer!:-)

<snip>

>
> Ethical
>
> Following the stated rules of right and wrong in a competition.

You failed that, didn't you! As create all those similar sites were wrong
and against the SE's guidelines. Those are not in your past they are now!

Actually it means "conforms to accepted standards of conduct". Ethics is the
"discipline dealing with what is good and bad and with moral duty and
obligation". As according to Webster.

> SEO
>
> The process of optimizing webpages and web sites to perform well in the
> organic rankings on the major search engines. Search engine optimizers
> choose targeted keyphrases related to a website and ensure that the
> site ranks well when those keyphrases are queried on the major search
> engines.

Yeah, yeah, maybe.:-)

> Expert
>
> A person with a high degree of skill in or knowledge of a certain
> subject.

LOL!! <cough><cough> I hope Sunkist soda is easy to clean! I am glad you
feel you have it. All I see is talk from you.


> Advocate
>
> Someone who speaks or writes in support of something he believes in.

Ok, you may believe in it but you don't follow what you write or speak
about.


Stacey

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<snip>

> See ya' in the SERPs Goldenboy! Let the search engines themselves be
> the judge."

Someone is already behind you.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2005-40%2CGGLG%3Aen&q=Ethical+SEO+expert
.:-)


Stacey

canadafred

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Stacey wrote:

well in that case, only 271,000 others, not a good example of a
challenging keyphrase, way too easy, it ne
Astronomers Discover New Rings Around Uranus


Watch the video, one of my favs.
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File http://www.cbc.ca/22minutes/

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>
> Stacey wrote:
>
>> Someone is already behind you.
>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2005-40%2CGGLG%3Aen&q=Ethical+SEO+expert
>> .:-)
>
> well in that case, only 271,000 others, not a good example of a
> challenging keyphrase, way too easy


I know it is easy, but you like to claim to people that you got this phrase.
It is one of those phrases tat some SEO's like yourself like to brag to
unknowing people hey look at me and what I can do I am #1 for this phrase. I
set out to got this and in 2 days to prove it was easy. Like I had asked you
before do you have any Seeps that are not easy, you don't. Game over again
SEO Expert.:-) People need to make sure the SEO's can gain harder SERPs.:-)

Stacey


canadafred

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canadafred wrote:
> Stacey wrote:
>
> > Someone is already behind you.
> > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2005-40%2CGGLG%3Aen&q=Ethical+SEO+expert
> > .:-)
>
> well in that case, only 271,000 others, not a good example of a
> challenging keyphrase, way too easy, it never oops
occurred to me that rezultz could come back to doing OK in the more
challenging environments. It has been a long road. I used to spam the
shit out of everything in site ...
http://canadian-web-site-promotion.blogspot.com/2006/08/becoming-better-optimizer-and-person.html
I started a story just for you and your future types. I'll pen my whole
SEO career, without using past client examples of course, and all the
different search engines that have come and gone. Man, those were the
days. Spamming was SEO. Goto and Snap magic tricks we called, we were
some good then we were. Oh canada.com! I was hot to trot the hotbot
kid, I was hot to trot the hotbot kid I was. Then came the rules. Back
then there was no penalty box, when someone got caught spamming theys'
was out for good. Then more rules! Had to move a little quicker to stay
on top of them suckers for a while but now, HOLY SHIT this is out of
control. What with all these compilators and computators and
spit-the-shit-out machines they got going nowadays, it's hard to tell a
Skeletal Meat Stand from a Decomposed Fornicator.
http://canadian-web-site-promotion.blogspot.com/2006/08/definition-decomposed-fornicators.html

anyway, I'll get the hang of these fand dangled web propagatin' lil'
bastards and I'll beat them in the SERPs eventually anyway, cause this
be a game that aint' gonna' end anytime soon.

-- hot to trot the hotbot kid
http://www.rezultz-web-site-promotion.com/

Stacey

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>
> canadafred wrote:
>> Stacey wrote:
>>
>> > Someone is already behind you.
>> > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2005-40%2CGGLG%3Aen&q=Ethical+SEO+expert
>> > .:-)
>>
>> well in that case, only 271,000 others, not a good example of a
>> challenging keyphrase, way too easy, it never oops

> occurred to me that rezultz could come back to doing OK in the more
> challenging environments. It has been a long road. I used to spam the
> shit out of everything in site ...

It is only a year old Fred. Come on it was new, it takes a while for a site
to gain. Well I know that I seen eveidence of your spam. If it was was
looking at both of those before and now yeah you are better. But you were
still in the worng and uethical at the time of you writing about ethics and
how ethical you are.

> I started a story just for you and your future types. I'll pen my whole
> SEO career, without using past client examples of course,

Oh I suppose you are going to start all over again and say I am a good boy
now. You might make it in time for Christmas so you won't get any coal!

canadafred

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Stacey wrote:

<snip>

Some search engine strategists look deep into the future. They may not
be in a hurry to get to the future today. They can sit and stew in
various markets for while and move Internet presence around. Much is
within their control. They make business and SEO mistakes, life choices
mistakes too and learn from them, writes off the losses and begin anew
forging in new directions. Some SEOs techniques develop over time.
Search engine strategists must keep their skills sharp one instant at a
time.
http://canadian-web-site-promotion.blogspot.com/2006/08/becoming-better-optimizer-and-person.html


Some search engine optimizers go against the trendy SEO flows. I am
such a one.

As most SEOs are happy to rank in the SERPs using the trendy ranking
manipulation methods, the face of SEO has deteriorated. There is no art
in mainstream search engine optimization anymore. There is only one way
in their eyes; one technique which works so well that the search
engines themselves cannot clearly define what it is that they want to
punish and what it is they want to reward. It's broken. It's all
broken.

So what to do about it. Do I continue to contribute to the problem of
implementing and promoting the use of search engine spam? or Make a
decision one day and decide to play as fair as I can and promote fair
play to others and ask some tough questions to the search engines
themselves about their broken machine.
http://canadian-web-site-promotion.blogspot.com/2006/08/search-engine-optimizers-choice.html
and
http://canadian-web-site-promotion.blogspot.com/2006/08/matt-cutts-questions.html

canadafred

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Stacey wrote:

> It is only a year old Fred.

I can't find it in the wayback machine, I may be thinking of something
else. I'll give you that one because my brain is not good at those type
of historical record keeping. rezultz was penalized severely and I am
pleased with its new ambitions. Of course, this is mostly in part to
http://www.seomoz.org/articles/search-ranking-factors.php#2 In-Document
(on-page) Factors Affecting Ranking and
http://www.seomoz.org/articles/search-ranking-factors.php#3 Site
Factors Affecting the Value of Hosted Documents.

canadafred

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Paul wrote:

<snip>

I neither agree nor disagree with Jez. I only scanned what appeared to
be the standard type of link strategist rhetoric. My comment was in
regards that she has added nothing new of value to this debate. I am
indicating that Jez should come at me with a very sharp pencil next
time, not this weenie sissy standard shit.

--
website promotion expert
http://www.rezultz-web-site-promotion.com/

Jezsta Web Productions

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"canadafred" <canadi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Stacey wrote:
>
>> It is only a year old Fred.
>
> I can't find it in the wayback machine, I may be thinking of something
> else. I'll give you that one because my brain is not good at those type
> of historical record keeping. rezultz was penalized severely and I am
> pleased with its new ambitions.

http://whois.domaintools.com/rezultz-web-site-promotion.com Would have
thought an Expert such as yourself wouldn't just look at the internet
archives. It is only a year old, so it could be penalized real bad. Sometime
it takes up to 9 months for a site to start doing good.

I have tools I use to see history on a site. That is how I know you owned
those sites I mentioned with the link like the one above. So others could
see that you owned the domains.:-)

Seen you mention my name over a Dani Web. Thought about letting them in on
the little secret of your links.:-) I almost did, but didn't. Keep it up
though and I will. As you are speaking with a fork tongue over there about
links and it is wrong.

Jezsta Web Productions

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"canadafred" <canadi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Paul wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> I neither agree nor disagree with Jez. I only scanned what appeared to
> be the standard type of link strategist rhetoric. My comment was in
> regards that she has added nothing new of value to this debate.

Jez, is a guy. And you have also added nothing new but a load of BS.

>I am
> indicating that Jez should come at me with a very sharp pencil next
> time, not this weenie sissy standard shit.

LOL!!! Dude you need to get control.

Jezsta Web Productions

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<snip>

> archives. It is only a year old, so it could be penalized real bad.

typo "could not be"


Jezsta Web Productions

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<snip>

. Of course, this is mostly in part to
> http://www.seomoz.org/articles/search-ranking-factors.php#2 In-Document
> (on-page) Factors Affecting Ranking and
> http://www.seomoz.org/articles/search-ranking-factors.php#3 Site
> Factors Affecting the Value of Hosted Documents.

Are you suppose to have written one of those articles, because I don't see
ya.


canadafred

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Jezsta Web Productions wrote:

> I have tools I use to see history on a site. That is how I know you owned
> those sites I mentioned with the link like the one above. So others could
> see that you owned the domains.:-)

Might be a good time to try some new tools.

> Seen you mention my name over a Dani Web.

For the sake of accuracy it is acceptable to use one's online
pseudonym. So now I suppose you are no longer Stacey and you are to be
refered to as Jezsta Web Productions, if that is your new message to
me.

> Thought about letting them in on
> the little secret of your links.:-) I almost did, but didn't. Keep it up
> though and I will. As you are speaking with a fork tongue over there about
> links and it is wrong.

Do you what you will.


Advocate
Someone who speaks or writes in support of something he believes in.
--

search engine marketing ethics advocate
http://www.rezultz-web-site-promotion.com/search-engine-marketing.htm

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I was providing support to my obsevations using content from
authoritative external sources, in this case, the world's most
recognized search engine optimization masters.

--
I listen very carefully to the words of what I consider to be the
international SEO masters
http://www.rezultz-web-site-promotion.com/international-ethical-seo-masters.htm
wherever I can find them.

canadafred

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Jezsta Web Productions wrote:
<snip>

> LOL!!! Dude you need to get control.

That's precisely my hope.

--
Search Engine Optimization Resources
http://www.rezultz-web-site-promotion.com/search-engine-optimization-resources.htm

Jezsta Web Productions

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>
> Jezsta Web Productions wrote:
>
>> I have tools I use to see history on a site. That is how I know you owned
>> those sites I mentioned with the link like the one above. So others could
>> see that you owned the domains.:-)
>
> Might be a good time to try some new tools.

Yeah, that one at domain tools is good. Let's you now all kinds of stuff
about IP's and stuff. Ones that are on the black list, domains that have
been on the black list that spamhaus and other places.

>> Seen you mention my name over a Dani Web.
>
> For the sake of accuracy it is acceptable to use one's online
> pseudonym.
>So now I suppose you are no longer Stacey and you are to be

> referred to as Jezsta Web Productions, if that is your new message to
> me.

No, just that you shouldn't use people's names in other places really.
Especially since you even quote wrong and cut out what you thought would
make you sound better. It is wrong to do that. Kind of unethical, I thought
you would know that. You could have suggested this thread, but I suppose you
didn't want them to see your links that you actually do have since over
there you are downplaying links.

I use the Jezsta, because that is what the email is used now for this group
and yeah, for marketing purposes I put that as my addie. I am sure with your
expertise you can understand why. It is more related than my simplestuff
site.

>> Thought about letting them in on
>> the little secret of your links.:-) I almost did, but didn't. Keep it up
>> though and I will. As you are speaking with a fork tongue over there
>> about
>> links and it is wrong.
>
> Do you what you will.

I usually do.:-) Been doing it for many years now.

Big Bill

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Big Bill

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On 9 Aug 2006 20:30:43 -0700, "canadafred" <canadi...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

One day, Fred, you're gonna have to tell me what you're on so I can
make a note to keep off it. Sigh...

Big Bill

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On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 03:56:46 +0200, "Stacey"
<Remove-th...@staceyssimplestuff.com> wrote:

>"canadafred" <canadi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1155174352.2...@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> canadafred wrote:
>>
>> I forgot
>>
>> ... and please stop involving my present and past clients in your
>> arguments. You want to argue about rezultz fine, that's mine. You want
>> to kick me in the balls? Fine, I'll facilitate that if I can but
>> please, out of some fiber left in me as an SEO professional, please
>> stop involving my past and present clients. I and they have much to
>> lose. I perhaps meritingly but let the search engines be their judge,
>> not Stacey and her gang of international roughnecks.
>
>
>Fred those 10 sites are your sites. They are in your name within the
>registration.

That doesn't actually mean they're his and he owns them and runs them.
There are domains floating around with my name on I bought for clients
that I've had nothing to do with for years.

Big Bill

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What they need to know is that there are serps out there that are
worth having, that there are searches for, that can be got, that's
what they need. That's a whole different area of skill and easy is
irrelevant.

Jezsta Web Productions

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"Big Bill" <kr...@cityscape.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 04:50:59 +0200, "Stacey"
> <Remove-th...@staceyssimplestuff.com> wrote:
<snip>

>>I know it is easy, but you like to claim to people that you got this
>>phrase.
>>It is one of those phrases tat some SEO's like yourself like to brag to
>>unknowing people hey look at me and what I can do I am #1 for this phrase.
>>I
>>set out to got this and in 2 days to prove it was easy. Like I had asked
>>you
>>before do you have any Seeps that are not easy, you don't. Game over again
>>SEO Expert.:-) People need to make sure the SEO's can gain harder
>>SERPs.:-)
>>
>>Stacey
>
> What they need to know is that there are serps out there that are
> worth having, that there are searches for, that can be got, that's
> what they need. That's a whole different area of skill and easy is
> irrelevant.

Actually, I disagree with you. People need to understand the level of the
SERPs, how many people search for it, can a harder SERP pull in the smaller
niches anyway. There is a skill in gaining more competitive SERPs. You have
to watch those SERPs and watch those competitors. If they rarely change
their website then there is a chance. This is a lot of work, and this is
just the tiny part of it.

I watch a few SERPs and sites I keep track of their PR, links, related
links, anchor text, everything. So, when an update is done I can see the
change and also a pattern that exists. This is putting a mind to work and
not jut blowing ego smoke. I want to understand the patterns and use them
when making my pages and or changing them.

Many smaller SERPs shouldn't be thrown away, but like I said one needs to
try and gain the maximum benefit for their client. That is the most
important thing. The client needs to understand the full marketing potential
that he can. None of this I am so ethical I am next to God type of thing.
Stop preaching and do some work. If you want to beat the big time spammer,
stop the jaw jacking and work at it.

A person doesn't need to try to be in charge of the planet, just his little
field. All this ego charged postings don't help anyone. Surely not anyone
wanting to learn about how to SEO. I for one dislike someone thinking they
are better than anyone. Humility is not seen enough, it should.

A person in this career has to be honest. They have to let the client know
what kind of SERPs they have and explain to them correctly if it is easy or
hard and explain why. Being honest is the most important part of ethical,
because if you are not then you really don't understand your moral
obligation.

SEO's should have integrity, honesty, humility, and skill when they have
this then they can be ethical.

canadafred

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canadafred wrote:

You know what I sense. I am sure you are going to correct me as there
can be no possible way for me to be right, but this whole Zestza
experiment. I cannot help but to notice things like
http://jezsta.com/SEO.htm and http://jezsta.com/ethical-SEO-Expert.htm
appear to be totally created around your obsessions with me and
destroying my professional reputation and my marketing ways.

As you know, I have started seeing a therapist regarding complications
with my alcoholism and my anxiety disorders. I spoke with my therapist
on Monday morning and we talked about alot of things. One of the things
we discussed were some of my fears. I have a fear of impending doom, it
feels incredibly real. There could many thing that could happen in my
personal and business life that could drastically alter the events in
my life over the next 6 months or so ( as you know ) and these things
are those really big life moments when things could go either way;
either fantastically or terribly. Perhaps some of my fears have been
justified. I may not be as paranoid about you as I first thought. You
make me nervous and now I know why.

This http://jezsta.com/SEO-tips.htm I ceratinly don't agree with but it
is uniquely your position, trendy, but in fact yours. It is your own
idea.

My question. Is discrediting me non-stop in fact your marketing agenda?
So many of the words in your text sound like it has come directly from
my mouth. You and your disciples are no more than the accumalation of
my recent brain farts. Don't think I care cause I don't. I long
accepted that whatever I do and whatever I say will be replicated. That
is part of being an SEO expert. People do what I do, it may take them a
while to figure it out, but they do, in many industries this is how
SEOs develop, follow the leaders. It is all part of your training I
know. Please stop crossing the personal lines though, that isn't fair
tactics. call me names, put my rezultz web site to shame, but please
slow down on the real damaging personal and professional attacks. I am
a peofessional Internet marketer, just like you can become, but you
cannot become like me in a friendlier way. If you weren't such a bitch,
heck I may accept an apology from you and move on with our friendship.
but you have shown me no other options. I must now look upon you and
your thugs as wanting to seriously cripple me in my cherished,
passionately loved profession.

The whole buncha' of yas' can go to hell. See ya' in the SERPs losers.


... and i-Fred then said "Come then, follow me to the fishing boat, I
will make expert pike fishers out of you men yet." and the masses
obeyed and followed him to the dock ...

--
making expert SEO anglers all over the world since 1689
http://canadian-web-site-promotion.blogspot.com/2006/07/will-make-fishers-you-men-yet.html

Jezsta Web Productions

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"Big Bill" <kr...@cityscape.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 03:56:46 +0200, "Stacey"
> <Remove-th...@staceyssimplestuff.com> wrote:
>
>>"canadafred" <canadi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:1155174352.2...@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> canadafred wrote:
>>>
>>> I forgot
>>>
>>> ... and please stop involving my present and past clients in your
>>> arguments. You want to argue about rezultz fine, that's mine. You want
>>> to kick me in the balls? Fine, I'll facilitate that if I can but
>>> please, out of some fiber left in me as an SEO professional, please
>>> stop involving my past and present clients. I and they have much to
>>> lose. I perhaps meritingly but let the search engines be their judge,
>>> not Stacey and her gang of international roughnecks.
>>
>>
>>Fred those 10 sites are your sites. They are in your name within the
>>registration.
>
> That doesn't actually mean they're his and he owns them and runs them.
> There are domains floating around with my name on I bought for clients
> that I've had nothing to do with for years.

Surely Bill you can not be that naive.

Shouldn't be for years, as when you purchase a domain for a client it should
be in their name. That is what I do, and that is how it should be done. They
can not reregister it in your name unless you give the approval. When the
site's register states the person it is the person that owns it he has
control over it. They are the person help liable when going to court for
anything, they are also held liable when the sites are blacklisted. So they
are his. And he has them all gaggled linked together. There are 3 place on
the registrar, one can be the hosting or the purchaser, one is also for the
actual owner. Fred is in all 3 places. Unless you do it private then it is
all hidden, but can be accessed for legal issues.

canadafred

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Big Bill wrote:
> On 9 Aug 2006 19:42:41 -0700, "canadafred" <canadi...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Stacey wrote:
> >
> >> Someone is already behind you.
> >> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2005-40%2CGGLG%3Aen&q=Ethical+SEO+expert
> >> .:-)
> >
> >well in that case, only 271,000 others, not a good example of a
> >challenging keyphrase, way too easy, it ne
> >Astronomers Discover New Rings Around Uranus
> >
> >
> >Watch the video, one of my favs.
> >-- this is a hilarious real canadian style humour video The Hafferty
> >File http://www.cbc.ca/22minutes/
>
> Er, actually, Fred, only 92 others. Optimised others, that is.

notice how fast the snakes change their text about me
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=DVXA,DVXA:2006-18,DVXA:en&q=%22ethical+SEO+expert%22
cause it aint' on the page no more

canadafred

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Jezsta Web Productions wrote:

> SEO's should have integrity, honesty, humility, and skill when they have
> this then they can be ethical.

You are the farthest thing from being anything remotely resembling
ethical that I have seen come through here in years. You are one of the
dirtiest, most deceptive, ill-willed, sneaky, most coniving and
contriving human being that I have ever known in my entire life. Put
that on my online resume of yours and your Goldenboy will ya'.

--
buncha' low life SEO wannabees
http://canadian-web-site-promotion.blogspot.com/

canadafred

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just gotta get my name in there slimebag

Jezsta Web Productions

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"canadafred" <canadi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> canadafred wrote:
>
> You know what I sense. I am sure you are going to correct me as there
> can be no possible way for me to be right, but this whole Zestza

Jezsta

> experiment. I cannot help but to notice things like
> http://jezsta.com/SEO.htm


It isn't an experiment. That is my SEO page about SEO that we do. I did not
have you in mind when I wrote it.

>and http://jezsta.com/ethical-SEO-Expert.htm
> appear to be totally created around your obsessions with me and
> destroying my professional reputation and my marketing ways.

This one yeah, you were on my mind when I said: ( see I tell the truth),
"What is hard to believe is that some ethical SEO experts ( activists as
they called themselves) that speak about links and link building being
unethical, claim websites don't need links. When actually they have made web
sites and blogs mimicking their counterpart websites just for links
apparently. This can be vacation/holiday or any theme sites under different
names but filled with links to the other websites that the "so called
ethical" SEO expert promotes. It is laughable really when a person thinks
about it."

The article I feel it is a truth about ethical SEO. I write with honesty. It
is our article trying to bring justice to what you have tore up.

Hey, I can't help to notice all of your postings on your blog and site also.
Did you have me in mind when you wrote some of your stuff? Yep you probably
did. So you can write stuff about people on your site and blog and other's
can't? Why? Fair is Fair, and what I wrote I can write.

> As you know, I have started seeing a therapist regarding complications
> with my alcoholism and my anxiety disorders. I spoke with my therapist
> on Monday morning and we talked about alot of things. One of the things
> we discussed were some of my fears. I have a fear of impending doom, it
> feels incredibly real. There could many thing that could happen in my
> personal and business life that could drastically alter the events in
> my life over the next 6 months or so ( as you know ) and these things
> are those really big life moments when things could go either way;
> either fantastically or terribly. Perhaps some of my fears have been
> justified. I may not be as paranoid about you as I first thought. You
> make me nervous and now I know why.

If a person lives their life in truth and right, then they wouldn't be
nervous. You see when a person is hiding something then they would be
nervous,

> This http://jezsta.com/SEO-tips.htm I ceratinly don't agree with but it
> is uniquely your position, trendy, but in fact yours. It is your own
> idea.

Oh, the words on the **entire site** are all mine. Except for Aaron Wall's
article that he says people can use with a link.

> My question. Is discrediting me non-stop in fact your marketing agenda?
> So many of the words in your text sound like it has come directly from
> my mouth.

Really where? Exact quotes please! They are my words. Don't lie you need to
post fact, I posted fact about you! You are such a lying conniving person
Fred. You need to post quotes for those accusations. Boy Fred is that all
you have? You are so desperate to try and prove I did something wrong that
you have to come up with a bold faced lie?

>You and your disciples are no more than the accumalation of
> my recent brain farts.

Excuse me!! LOL!

>Don't think I care cause I don't. I long
> accepted that whatever I do and whatever I say will be replicated. That
> is part of being an SEO expert. People do what I do, it may take them a
> while to figure it out, but they do, in many industries this is how
> SEOs develop, follow the leaders. It is all part of your training I
> know. Please stop crossing the personal lines though, that isn't fair
> tactics. call me names, put my rezultz web site to shame, but please
> slow down on the real damaging personal and professional attacks.

Personal, I haven't said anything personal about you. Professional attacks
I have made. Only because the truth shall set you free!

>I am
> a peofessional Internet marketer, just like you can become,

I am a *Professional* Internet Marketer already.

>but you
> cannot become like me in a friendlier way. If you weren't such a bitch,
> heck I may accept an apology from you and move on with our friendship.

I wouldn't want to be like you even if I died and was reborn and given a
choice as maggot laden cat puck and you. I can not become friends with
liars. I don't need to apologize either. I did nothing wrong except expose
you.

> but you have shown me no other options. I must now look upon you and
> your thugs as wanting to seriously cripple me in my cherished,
> passionately loved profession.

Then why did you lie? If you love it so much then you should have thought
about it.

> The whole buncha' of yas' can go to hell. See ya' in the SERPs losers.

Wow, you are so professional aren't you? You see Fred you do it to yourself.
I haven't cussed at you or called you names like you have used. Sorry Fred
but you are in no way professional and your integrity is lost once more. You
are in a whole different class than anyone I know(and not in a good way).
Well there is another person, but I won't mentioned his name.:-)

Jezsta Web Productions

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"canadafred" <canadi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
<snip>

> notice how fast the snakes change their text about me
> http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=DVXA,DVXA:2006-18,DVXA:en&q=%22ethical+SEO+expert%22
> cause it aint' on the page no more


http://72.14.221.104/search?q=cache:TNzjv9W7uEgJ:jezsta.com/ethical-SEO-Expert.htm+%22ethical+SEO+expert%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2

Try again and stop lying. The article is the same.

Jezsta Web Productions

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"canadafred" <canadi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Yeah, since Bill was referring to you, and why not you used mine over at
Dani web and even talked about the discussions over here in detail but left
out the good stuff that should have been in there. You are increasingly
lowering yourself Fred. (yes, I mentioned your name because I was replying
to you)

You know if was over until you started it up again,:-)

canadafred

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Jezsta Web Productions wrote:

> Wow, you are so professional aren't you?

See, that's where you make your mistake. I am not a professional. I am
a marketer.

SEO

The process of optimizing webpages and web sites to perform well in the
organic rankings on the major search engines. Search engine optimizers
choose targeted keyphrases related to a website and ensure that the
site ranks well when those keyphrases are queried on the major search
engines.

--
World's Humblest SEO Marketing Guru
http://www.rezultz-web-site-promotion.com/

Jezsta Web Productions

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"canadafred" <canadi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Jezsta Web Productions wrote:
>
>> Wow, you are so professional aren't you?
>
> See, that's where you make your mistake. I am not a professional. I am
> a marketer.

Just in this thread that you <snipped> your said this:"I am a peofessional

Internet marketer, just like you can become,"

Although misspelled you meant professional I presume. Boy you flip flop more
than anyone I know. But I didn't make a mistake as that was a wise crack to
meaning you are not professional in any way shape or form.

canadafred

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Jezsta Web Productions wrote:

> You know if was over until you started it up again,:-)

Oh, but capitulation by exhaustion is the worst attitude for a search
engine optimizer to have. This hot to trot hotbot kid's gots himself
somethin' a-brewin' in his head. What's an advocate who can't take a
little heat eh missy. A good marketer must stay ten point six moves
ahead of the nearest. He's off again ... whooosh ...

Advocate
Someone who speaks or writes in support of something he believes in.

SEOs start over and over until It Is over. The best marketer has a big
plan in his head, you just can't see it. You may think you see it but
that would be part of his plan too.
-- the oval freight train track ....
http://www.rezultz-web-site-promotion.com/

canadafred

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Jezsta Web Productions wrote:

Good, I'm glad we set the record straight on that one. Shit, I could
have mislead any lurkers into thinking that I was otherwise. Glad you
pointed that one out. Sorta' clears the air about that subject quite
effectively. There is no way I could ever masquerade as a professional.
There's no corporate make-over team on earth that could make a gemstone
ornament out of my happy, toothless bent-up face. I'd have to have a
spokesperson of some sorts.

No, I must admit, just as the smell of pike guts in the sun for two
days is pungent so is my professionalism.

--
http://canadian-web-site-promotion.blogspot.com/

canadafred

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Jezsta Web Productions wrote:

It is not immediately to be assumed that it is lying on my part. I
failed to see that the crap was still there. I can't see a damn thing
on your site! It is sites like yours that make guys like me need
glasses quicker, gotta' focus like crazy to read your "stuff". It's
particularly challenging at 2 AM.

-- particularly challenged SEO
http://www.rezultz-web-site-promotion.com/

Jezsta Web Productions

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"canadafred" <canadi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Jezsta Web Productions wrote:
>
> It is not immediately to be assumed that it is lying on my part. I
> failed to see that the crap was still there. I can't see a damn thing
> on your site! It is sites like yours that make guys like me need
> glasses quicker, gotta' focus like crazy to read your "stuff". It's
> particularly challenging at 2 AM.

Everyone already said but you and Bill that they could read it fine. **It is
lying, it was never there!** You are so pathetic that you have to say a bold
faced lie. Here is a tip, the next time you see something on a website that
you feel is something about you or using your words take a screen shot!

What was there that you saw that wasn't there when you went back hmm? Why
say something and not substantiate it! Yeah, try reading your red
backgrounds and white letters, or your once fuchsia background. Geeze what a
headache giver!

See you are doing attacking, but hey it doesn't bother me as I haven't done
anything wrong. Notice the difference in the tone here.

Big Bill

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On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 07:03:38 +0200, "Jezsta Web Productions"
<Jezz...@jezsta.com> wrote:

>"Big Bill" <kr...@cityscape.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:r1eld2dnjk2m22pkf...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 04:50:59 +0200, "Stacey"
>> <Remove-th...@staceyssimplestuff.com> wrote:
><snip>
>
>>>I know it is easy, but you like to claim to people that you got this
>>>phrase.
>>>It is one of those phrases tat some SEO's like yourself like to brag to
>>>unknowing people hey look at me and what I can do I am #1 for this phrase.
>>>I
>>>set out to got this and in 2 days to prove it was easy. Like I had asked
>>>you
>>>before do you have any Seeps that are not easy, you don't. Game over again
>>>SEO Expert.:-) People need to make sure the SEO's can gain harder
>>>SERPs.:-)
>>>
>>>Stacey
>>
>> What they need to know is that there are serps out there that are
>> worth having, that there are searches for, that can be got, that's
>> what they need. That's a whole different area of skill and easy is
>> irrelevant.
>
>Actually, I disagree with you.

Why aren't I surprised?

> People need to understand the level of the
>SERPs, how many people search for it, can a harder SERP pull in the smaller
>niches anyway. There is a skill in gaining more competitive SERPs. You have
>to watch those SERPs and watch those competitors. If they rarely change
>their website then there is a chance. This is a lot of work, and this is
>just the tiny part of it.
>
>I watch a few SERPs and sites I keep track of their PR, links, related
>links, anchor text, everything. So, when an update is done I can see the
>change and also a pattern that exists. This is putting a mind to work and
>not jut blowing ego smoke. I want to understand the patterns and use them
>when making my pages and or changing them.
>
>Many smaller SERPs shouldn't be thrown away, but like I said one needs to
>try and gain the maximum benefit for their client. That is the most
>important thing. The client needs to understand the full marketing potential
>that he can.

Um. This is where your trailer-park English lets you down, I think. I
have no idea what you mean there. I also think that you might want to
let Jez write more of your combined site, a little Surrey goes a long
way.

> None of this I am so ethical I am next to God type of thing.
>Stop preaching and do some work. If you want to beat the big time spammer,
>stop the jaw jacking and work at it.

Me? Or are you speaking hypothetically now?

>A person doesn't need to try to be in charge of the planet, just his little
>field. All this ego charged postings don't help anyone. Surely not anyone
>wanting to learn about how to SEO. I for one dislike someone thinking they
>are better than anyone. Humility is not seen enough, it should.

This would be you humbly sharing your opinion, hmmmm? :-) Maybe if you
cross-posted to a few more groups you could humbly share it a little
further.

>A person in this career has to be honest. They have to let the client know
>what kind of SERPs they have and explain to them correctly if it is easy or
>hard and explain why. Being honest is the most important part of ethical,
>because if you are not then you really don't understand your moral
>obligation.
>
>SEO's should have integrity, honesty, humility, and skill when they have
>this then they can be ethical.
>
>Stacey

Damn, I only scrape in three out of four there - guess what I
lack?:-)))))))

Big Bill

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On 9 Aug 2006 22:16:18 -0700, "canadafred" <canadi...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

I don't have time to read all that stuff. I notice you're in the 92
twice, though.

Big Bill

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On 9 Aug 2006 22:25:25 -0700, "canadafred" <canadi...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Fair dues, Fred, we were talking about you.

Big Bill

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On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 06:40:24 +0200, "Jezsta Web Productions"
<Jezz...@jezsta.com> wrote:

>"canadafred" <canadi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1155184094....@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Jezsta Web Productions wrote:
>>
>>> I have tools I use to see history on a site. That is how I know you owned
>>> those sites I mentioned with the link like the one above. So others could
>>> see that you owned the domains.:-)
>>
>> Might be a good time to try some new tools.
>
>Yeah, that one at domain tools is good. Let's you now all kinds of stuff
>about IP's and stuff. Ones that are on the black list, domains that have
>been on the black list that spamhaus and other places.

How do you feel it compares to Faganfinder?

Big Bill

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Yup. I know, and sometimes it doesn work out like that. You repeatedly
speak with the overblown confidence of the inexperienced. Life ain't
how you expect it, and when you've lived more of it you'll know.

Big Bill

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On 9 Aug 2006 22:24:21 -0700, "canadafred" <canadi...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
>Jezsta Web Productions wrote:
>
>> SEO's should have integrity, honesty, humility, and skill when they have
>> this then they can be ethical.
>
>You are the farthest thing from being anything remotely resembling
>ethical that I have seen come through here in years. You are one of the
>dirtiest, most deceptive, ill-willed, sneaky, most coniving and
>contriving human being that I have ever known in my entire life. Put
>that on my online resume of yours and your Goldenboy will ya'.

He's right about the wannabee bit!

BB

Mind, I suppose you could call me a wannaBB!

Big Bill

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The Gospel according to Stacey.

>> This http://jezsta.com/SEO-tips.htm I ceratinly don't agree with but it
>> is uniquely your position, trendy, but in fact yours. It is your own
>> idea.
>
>Oh, the words on the **entire site** are all mine.

Well one of them will be mine, now, hopefully. Skewed. Royalties
quarterly, please. Ho hum.

> Except for Aaron Wall's
>article that he says people can use with a link.

No duplicate content worries then.

>> My question. Is discrediting me non-stop in fact your marketing agenda?
>> So many of the words in your text sound like it has come directly from
>> my mouth.

Lemme see now... muddled... confused... garbled... sense of words
being copied straight from the actual stone tablets themselves... hey,
you have to admit all the Fred trademarks are there, Stacey:-)))!!

I hope you don't mean poor little me :-( I can't think of anyone else
you've argued with lately. Sniff. You've hardly talked to anyone
except Fred lately, in fact. At any length, anyways.

BB

Big Bill

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On 9 Aug 2006 22:13:04 -0700, "canadafred" <canadi...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>canadafred wrote:
>
>You know what I sense. I am sure you are going to correct me as there
>can be no possible way for me to be right, but this whole Zestza
>experiment. I cannot help but to notice things like
>http://jezsta.com/SEO.htm and http://jezsta.com/ethical-SEO-Expert.htm
>appear to be totally created around your obsessions with me and
>destroying my professional reputation and my marketing ways.

Flattery, Fred, flattery.

>As you know, I have started seeing a therapist regarding complications
>with my alcoholism and my anxiety disorders. I spoke with my therapist
>on Monday morning and we talked about alot of things. One of the things
>we discussed were some of my fears. I have a fear of impending doom, it
>feels incredibly real. There could many thing that could happen in my
>personal and business life that could drastically alter the events in
>my life over the next 6 months or so ( as you know ) and these things
>are those really big life moments when things could go either way;
>either fantastically or terribly. Perhaps some of my fears have been
>justified. I may not be as paranoid about you as I first thought. You
>make me nervous and now I know why.
>
>This http://jezsta.com/SEO-tips.htm I ceratinly don't agree with but it
>is uniquely your position, trendy, but in fact yours. It is your own
>idea.

Hey, Stacey, you mean "skewed", not "spewed" on that page.

BB (Surrey-Boy!!)

Big Bill

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On 9 Aug 2006 23:25:34 -0700, "canadafred" <canadi...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

If he's talking about fishing again then I think he's coming out of
it. Hey Fred; go fish!
But in a good way, of course.

BB

canadafred

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Jezsta Web Productions wrote:

<snip>

Here, I did the most logical thing to do. I went back to the beginning.
I went to http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/index.jsp to check
domain information. I ran www.canadawilds.com/ first ( this was going
to grow to become a Canadian wilderness vacation search engine down the
road a couple of years from now, it would have been something really
special ) and I did www.canada-bear-hunting.com ( well, you know how
much I love being in the bush and stuff, I enjoy the bear hunts alot, I
don't hunt myself but like to bait bears and drag the wounded ones
outa' the bush at night, that is fun! ), both don't seem to have my
name on either of them. I assume the rest will be the same. Please
check them for me, sorta' do a little secretarial work as a consolation
prize for playing it out as hard as I can. I play to win. No such thing
as a good silver place. I am not the type to fall apart at challenges,
especially those directed at my honour. Folks in my neck of the woods
don't raise kids to be the sissy type. Doesn't help for the survival
skills needed to be the outdoorsy kind. lot of men here work in the
gold mines and forestry industries, pretty rowdy crowds on a Sudbury
Saturday Night ( by Stompin ' Tom Connors ).

Anyway, I lost these two web sites because of a terrible terrible
dispute with the web site owners which can never be rectified. it
wasn't about money or anything like that, it was a conflict of wills
let's say. I wish I could have it all back and do it again but I have
to move on to other stuff. Find some other stuff. Promote myself more
so as to get some more stuff to work on. You can check the other web
sites yourself if you want, they are all belonging to persons other
than me. This whole package was gonna' be a Canadian tourism machine to
reckon' with. Just was starting to develop it.

So, the domains are clearly not mine. Please get yourself a new domain
lookup tool.

Does this suffice for you and your squad of fame seeking bandits? The
domains that you have been using against me are not mine. I started a
project and it was shut down after four months. It was no secret then
and it is not a secret now. I can't develop those projects any further
in their unique and collective directions that I was heading.
Evolution. It is beyond my control to continue in its web site
promotion and developmental plan. Is this enough to shut you up and
leave me alone?

You have attempted to discredit me with various types of assaults both
almost sensible and some down right fabricated. You have perpetuated
your assaults against my integrity and my honour across various places
on the Internet and you have done so visciously and relentlessly. I
have defended my honour every step of the way along your endless
defamation of my ethics and character assassinations.

It is with my integrity and dignity in tact, like a shining knight in a
very dark world, I deem you unworthy of being in the business of SEO,
you and all your conspirators and whoever the hell else is on your side
can kiss my Canadian ass. pfft.

--
Ethical Internet Marketing Service
http://www.rezultz-web-site-promotion.com/

Jez

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Aug 10, 2006, 4:21:14 AM8/10/06
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canadafred wrote:

> Jez wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> so, that's all you got?
>

So what should I have said? Gone off into a rant and start swearing at
women? I got more than that!

More than half of what you talk about is merely your little theory. How
about backing up why; "PR has little or nothing to do with rankings in
the organic results. Little or none." Easily said, now lets see your proof.

Don't attack me for disagreeing with you, Fred. What I said has no
personal bearing - if you want personal bearing look back a few threads
where I endorse you. Though looking at your conduct of this week you can
pretty much guarantee that it's retracted.

Jez.

--

http://jezsta.com

Jez

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Aug 10, 2006, 4:25:17 AM8/10/06
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canadafred wrote:

>
> Jez should come at me with a very sharp pencil next
> time, not this weenie sissy standard shit.
>

Hey Fred, rezultz speak for themselves. Don't they? LOL.

Jez.

--

http://jezsta.com

Big Bill

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On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 08:42:52 +0200, "Jezsta Web Productions"
<Jezz...@jezsta.com> wrote:

>"canadafred" <canadi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1155191402....@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Jezsta Web Productions wrote:
>>
>> It is not immediately to be assumed that it is lying on my part. I
>> failed to see that the crap was still there. I can't see a damn thing
>> on your site! It is sites like yours that make guys like me need
>> glasses quicker, gotta' focus like crazy to read your "stuff". It's
>> particularly challenging at 2 AM.
>
>Everyone already said but you and Bill that they could read it fine. **It is
>lying, it was never there!** You are so pathetic that you have to say a bold
>faced lie. Here is a tip, the next time you see something on a website that
>you feel is something about you or using your words take a screen shot!

Um. Pretty evident that Fred's in a confused state. Medically. It's a
little unfair of you therefore to be accusing him of deliberately
lying when his state of mind is obviously fragile and volatile both.
How do you know what his state of mind is from time to time, moment to
moment? Answer is, you don't. Time to leave him alone, I think.

>What was there that you saw that wasn't there when you went back hmm? Why
>say something and not substantiate it! Yeah, try reading your red
>backgrounds and white letters, or your once fuchsia background. Geeze what a
>headache giver!
>
>See you are doing attacking, but hey it doesn't bother me as I haven't done
>anything wrong.

Yeah, we can all see it not bothering you. Witness you, rolling over
and going back to sleep. Not bothering you at all. Yeah, right.

Big Bill

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On 10 Aug 2006 00:15:29 -0700, "canadafred" <canadi...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

I think it's just Stacey on her own, Fred, no-one else has the time or
inclination just now to squabble the way she does. My busy day is
beginning so I must be away soon too.

> The
>domains that you have been using against me are not mine. I started a
>project and it was shut down after four months. It was no secret then
>and it is not a secret now. I can't develop those projects any further
>in their unique and collective directions that I was heading.
>Evolution. It is beyond my control to continue in its web site
>promotion and developmental plan. Is this enough to shut you up and
>leave me alone?
>
>You have attempted to discredit me with various types of assaults both
>almost sensible and some down right fabricated. You have perpetuated
>your assaults against my integrity and my honour across various places
>on the Internet and you have done so visciously and relentlessly. I
>have defended my honour every step of the way along your endless
>defamation of my ethics and character assassinations.
>
>It is with my integrity and dignity in tact, like a shining knight in a
>very dark world, I deem you unworthy of being in the business of SEO,
>you and all your conspirators and whoever the hell else is on your side
>can kiss my Canadian ass. pfft.

Ha!

canadafred

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Aug 10, 2006, 6:44:30 AM8/10/06
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Jez wrote:
> canadafred wrote:
>
> >
> > Jez should come at me with a very sharp pencil next
> > time, not this weenie sissy standard shit.
> >
>
> Hey Fred, rezultz speak for themselves. Don't they? LOL.

Ya it does arsehole. Too bad you and your collection of armpit fungus
calling themselves SEOs can't come up with evidence about fuck all.
Write some more fairy tales about me faggot!

canadafred

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Jez wrote:

Kiss my ass you character defaming SEO wannabee bastard.

Quit making up your fabrications about me, my work, my customers both
past and present and my intergity, you and you crew of conspiring
scumbag slimefarts.

David

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Aug 10, 2006, 6:56:30 AM8/10/06
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On 9 Aug 2006 18:25:29 -0700, "canadafred" <canadi...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
>Stacey wrote:
>as just posted on
>http://www.morearnings.com/2006/07/17/seo-consultant-ranking 'cause I
>expect the coward to erase it.

Was there a need for that, very childish Fred.

>"Between you and Stacey and probably others, you have been doing a fine
>job trying to discredit my stands.

I'm not trying to discredit you, you responded to a post of mine and
it went to here! I will say though what I've read recently does sound
like you aren't practicing what you preach (and it is very preacher
like).

>It makes for good old fashioned SEO fist-to-cuffs in the Internet
>Search Engines Newsgroup. It is good for the industry to get a broad
>perspective. I would appreciate however, that any "behing the scenes"
>involvement of yours in orchestrating this lately attack on my ethics
>to cease.
>
>See ya' in the SERPs Goldenboy! Let the search engines themselves be
>the judge."
>
>got this cowardly notice:

Why is that cowardly, as I said the other day that blog is broken,
http://www.morearnings.com/2006/07/27/seo-expert/#comment-213

Stacey would have got the same message when her post was flagged,
everyone gets it, even my comments are flagged when I'm logged in and
I have to rescue them from the spam pile!

Someone who hasn't posted a comment try one now at
http://www.morearnings.com/2006/07/17/seo-consultant-ranking/#comments
and you'll see the notice.

>Sorry, but your comment has been flagged by the spam filter running on
>this blog: this might be an error, in which case all apologies. Your
>comment will be presented to the blog admin who will be able to restore
>it immediately.
>You may want to contact the blog admin via e-mail to notify him.
>
>second time :
>
>Duplicate comment detected; it looks as though you've already said
>that!
>
>So I quit for now.

It was added to the filtered posts, marked as SPAM, the spam filters
are broken on that one site (all others are fine). I think it broke
because a comment spam broke the database and I had to bodge the
database back together using a file from another blog. I don't know
how to fix it unfortunately.

Here you go Fred-
http://www.morearnings.com/2006/07/17/seo-consultant-ranking/#comment-251

You wouldn't have seen this despite Stacey posting before you, it was
filtered.
http://www.morearnings.com/2006/07/17/seo-consultant-ranking/#comment-241

and mine-
http://www.morearnings.com/2006/07/17/seo-consultant-ranking/#comment-252

Maybe paranoid ethical SEO... should be in your sig occasionally Fred
:-))

David
--
PageRank Explained http://www.seo-gold.com/tutorial/pagerank.html
Free SEO Advice http://www.morearnings.com/2006/03/31/free-seo-advice/

canadafred

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Stacey wrote:

<snip>

>From this point of the thread on, a vicious assault on my chraracter
has taken place.

I have proved the conspirators of this plot had evil intent. They have
attempted to begin an Internet marketing service based on what I have
taught them over the course of time. Being unable to collectively come
up with an unique marketing idea, they have taken mine, twisted it up
to suit their agenda and set about to generate new business at expense
of my business and professional integrity, with little or no thought
given to the ramificatiuons of distributing such vile, damaging
fabrications.

Unfortunately, the deceptive and damaging way in which they have
chosen to set-about showcases their new SEO knowledges is not
flattering as a matter of fact it is one of the most well-orchestrated
attempts ethics defamation of me ever, perhaps even ever in the history
of Internet Search Engines Newsgroup too.

I have set Zesta's fabrications straight. I ceratinly do not expect an
apology for the huge amount of inconvenience that Stacey, Lez and David
the Golden SEO boy have caused me and my professional reputation and
the reputations of my past and present search engine optimization
clientele. They are a pitiful excuse for lot of human beings with not
enough moral fiber to admit they were wrong about me, my SEO methods
and my sound SEO wisdom. Their pride and their egos to great to admit
the huge errors in their ways against me. Their will to discredit my
honour too intense to capitulate when presented with the real facts.

It will be very hard to prove me to be two separate people, the basis
of their entire spamming theory against me. Clever ploy. Would have
worked too but they miscalculated their prey. They seen me as weak.

So lurkers beware, defending one's integrity against a troup of fact
twisting, double talking, chaos clouding, hatred obsessed lunatics is
not a pretty pictures. Reader discretion is advised.

David

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Aug 10, 2006, 7:13:35 AM8/10/06
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On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 04:17:18 +0200, "Stacey"
<Remove-th...@staceyssimplestuff.com> wrote:

>> See ya' in the SERPs Goldenboy! Let the search engines themselves be
>> the judge."
>

>LOL!!! Ok Dave it is time to gain some SERPs.:-) George Bush would be glad
>if he wasn't a miserable failure. But that would be a very hard SERP to get.
>Maybe since Fred thinks we are doing a "behind the scenes" we can really
>think something up. Meet ya at 3PM for coffee, I will make sure to have some
>tea for ya. Bring the gang also it is going to be an all dayer!:-)

ROFLOL, I'll bring the biscuits :-)

David

canadafred

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Aug 10, 2006, 7:13:28 AM8/10/06
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David wrote:

<snip>

I have no clue what yopu said as I never read it. Your opinions are
shit, based on shit and all you do is shit.

canadafred

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Aug 10, 2006, 7:14:31 AM8/10/06
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David wrote:

Go ahead and laugh now golden boy faggot

canadafred

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Aug 10, 2006, 7:18:26 AM8/10/06
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canadafred wrote:
> David wrote:
>
> Go ahead and laugh now golden boy faggot

not strong enough ..

... you and your caravan of salivating monkeys enjoy trying to carve
out a living from the gatherings of my leftover little shitballs I
haven't the time to wipe off my ass.

canadafred

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Aug 10, 2006, 7:24:14 AM8/10/06
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David wrote:

> Maybe paranoid ethical SEO... should be in your sig occasionally Fred

Being under attack by you and your gang of novice finger painters would
ease my anxieties about forces like you and your gang of fact
fabricating sunsabitches'.

Jez

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Aug 10, 2006, 7:24:41 AM8/10/06
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Not really wishing to paraphrase Cyndi Lauper, but, I think we can all
see your true colours shining through!

Is it time for your rest yet?

http://www.hitfix.co.uk/blog/index.php/archives/2006/08/10/men-in-white-coats/

Jez.

canadafred

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Stacey wrote:

say something bitch

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