hostroute.com
Marcus Kerr
http://www.hostroute.com
I've been reading the HostRoute T&Cs, and notice that the laws of
Scotland will apply. Given that the Registered office under the
Business Names Act is in London, how is this possible?
I also can't find a notice as required under the Business Names Act,
what page is it on?
Gordon Hudson
"Marcus Kerr" <goo...@kerr72.fsworld.co.uk> wrote in message
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Why have you posted this to a public news group and not sent us an email?
Our registered office address is in Scotland.
Please go too any of our web pages.
Scroll to the bottom of the page.
Click on the link that says (c) Hostroute.com Ltd
This will take you to a page with our registered offcie address on it.
This informatoin is also available at no charge if you go to
www.companieshouse.gov.uk
--
Gordon Hudson || Hostroute.com Ltd
e-mail:ghudson [at] hostroute.net
http://www.hostroute.co.uk/ Web Hosting and Dedicated Servers
http://www.nameroute.co.uk/ Domain Names with free hosting and email £14
Gordon Hudson
"Marcus Kerr" <goo...@kerr72.fsworld.co.uk> wrote in message
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Why have you posted this to a public news group and not sent us an email?
Our registered office address is in Scotland.
Please go to any of our web pages.
Scroll to the bottom of the page.
Click on the link that says (c) Hostroute.com Ltd
This will take you to a page with our registered offcie address on it.
This information is also available at no charge if you go to
here_comes_the_pain
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> Don't touch them with a barge pole.
>
> They don't provide any warranty with their included web/email, don't
> understand the law (as above) and their TOS includes an amusing
> section on why not to blackmail them like many other customers have
> apparently tried to do ?!
Warranty???
Your not buying a toaster
As far as I see they make no guarentees about uptime for webmail/email
They do have a 99.9% guarentee for websites uptime though.
Unless you can prove more than this then your comments are inapproriate
Bob Cox
<b4bc53bd.03032...@posting.google.com>,
antiho...@spamhole.com (Dissatisified Customer) wrote:
>Don't touch them with a barge pole.
>
>They don't provide any warranty with their included web/email, don't
>understand the law (as above) and their TOS includes an amusing
>section on why not to blackmail them like many other customers have
>apparently tried to do ?!
I have one of their MyQTH accounts and for what it offers - which includes
500MB of webspace extremely cheaply - I would not expect much in the way of
a "warranty". As it happens, it all seems to work very well, but you only
get what you pay for (or don't get what you don't pay for...)
The TOS, apart from some terrible spelling, seems fair enough.
--
Bob Cox. Stoke Gifford, near Bristol, UK.
http://pippin.co.uk/
Gordon Hudson
"Dissatisified Customer" <antiho...@spamhole.com> wrote in message
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>
> They don't provide any warranty with their included web/email,
That is the case with the free web hosting and email service provided with
domain names
at Nameroute.co.uk
As the service is provided free of charge it carries no warranty.
If you have a Hostroute.co.uk account then the email service has a warranty.
Assuming you are actually a customer please reply to this thread with your
support
ticket number and I will look into your email problem.
David Barker
> NAME: 10MB web space (no ads) [etc] Prices (2 years): .co.uk £14
> .gb.com £24 .com £24 .biz £24 .info £24].
Still you're paying nothing for this space and so how can you expect 100%
uptime, etc?
--
David Barker
da...@4dhosting.com
4d Hosting
www.4dhosting.com
Gordon Hudson
"Dissatisified Customer" <antiho...@spamhole.com> wrote in message
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> the service is not part of what you pay for, as Mr Hudson attempts to
> claim.
>
> Take a look at http://www.nameroute.com: ' FREE WITH EVERY DOMAIN
> NAME: 10MB web space (no ads) [etc] Prices (2 years): .co.uk £14
> .gb.com £24 .com £24 .biz £24 .info £24].
>
Yes, it is part of the service which is provided free fo charge and without
warranty.
You are confusing HOSTROUTE with NAMEROUTE
We cannot provide a warranty without he income ti underpin it.
If you need a warranty then pay for hosting which comes with one.
The terms and conditions you agreed to at NAMEROUTE
include this:
Excerpt from the NAMEROUTE (not HOSTROUTE) terms of service:
Warranty
The web space and email service is provided free of charge and without
warranty.
See Limitation of Liablity (below).
If you intend to conduct business from your web site we strongly recommend
looking at these hosting plans which come with a service level agreement -
Click Here.
Please grow up and accept responsibility for your own actions.
YOU chose to use a service with those conditons when others were available.
The fact is we have thousands of people using these accounts and no major
difficulties.
I cant comment on your case as you won't say who you are
which indicates how keen you are fir us to rectify your problem (whatever it
is).
Gordon Hudson
"Dissatisified Customer" <antiho...@spamhole.com> wrote in message
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> > > Take a look at http://www.nameroute.com: ' FREE WITH EVERY DOMAIN
> > > NAME: 10MB web space (no ads) [etc] Prices (2 years): .co.uk £14
> > > .gb.com £24 .com £24 .biz £24 .info £24].
> >
> > Still you're paying nothing for this space and so how can you expect
100%
> > uptime, etc?
>
> provided by the front page.
Yes, that is correct, it s provided free of charge.
>The Terms & Conditions are contradictory
> and disclaim any warranty for any kind of service. However this does
> not matter as they are invalid and would not stand up in court.
What do you want.
1. Your problem fixed
or
2. To damage our business by posting this anonymous rubbish?
I caught one of our competitors posting stuff to a bulletin board last week
claiming we terminated customers who went over bandwidth.
He ended up having to retract his claims because it was simply untrue
and posted maliciously.
It is unfair of "customers" to publish this type of falsehood
instead of trying to get their fault (whatever it is) fixed.
If you tell me who you are I will look into it.
If you wont say who you are then shut up.
I bet a pound to a penny your account is over quota and your mail has
started bouncing..........
David Barker
mistakes in your arguments.
> 1) Evidence of copying
>
> -[Top] "All services provided by Nameroute.com may be used for lawful
> purposes only. Transmission, storage, or presentation of any
> information, data or material in violation of any United States
> Federal, State or City, or any International laws is prohibited."
>
> -[Bottom] "Any dispute relating to this agreement shall be subject to
> the exclusive jurisdiction of the courts in Edinburgh, UK,"
There's nothing copied or wrong about this. His servers could well be based
in the US and so all data located on them would fall under US State law
while the company's HQ could be in Edinburgh and so any disputes with the
ToS would have to be taken up with the company in its country of residence.
> 2) Ignorance to UK contract law / general ignorance
>
> -[Above] "The formation, construction and interpretation of this
> agreement shall be controlled by the laws of Scotland."
>
> -[Below] "exclusive jurisdiction of the courts in Edinburgh, UK," -
> what the hell are 'the courts of Edinburgh' and are you stupid?
If you hadn't noticed Scotland got it's own parliament several years ago and
so will have it's own laws, etc. If you're looking for evidence of the
Scottish courts do a Google search or look at this URL
http://www.law.gla.ac.uk/scot_guide/COURTS.HTML. Seeing as you don't know
that Edinburgh has its court system then you must be the more ignorant here.
> -Also you use "Edinburgh" laws for your "US brands"? A little strange.
>
> -You company is incorporated in England anyway.
What's wrong with using the local laws for where the company is based?
If you bothered to do a bit of research on the company you would have seen
their company registration number is 'SC220391' and they have a Scottish
address. Which shows that they are clearly a Scottish company - Just because
they show up in Company's House doesn't mean they are an English company.
> 3) Just plain bizarre
>
> -"The U.N. Convention of Contracts for the International Sale of Goods
> is expressly excluded from any interpretation of this Agreement. "
Once again you're making statements without researching them or knowing
anything about the subjects your talking about. The U.N. Convention of
Contracts for the International Sale of Goods is a real convention passed in
Vienna in 1980. If you just do a Google search (again) then you'd have found
this out. Here's a URL to a copy of the convention in case you don't believe
me
http://www.jus.uio.no/lm/un.contracts.international.sale.of.goods.convention
.1980/.
> 4) Illegal
>
> -"Hostroute.com reserves the right to change or amend these Terms of
> Service at any time without prior notice."
>
> You must give sufficient notice regardless of everything you try to
> disclaim from your badly spelt Terms & Conditions.
This is not illegal and you'll find that it forms a part of almost every ToS
on the Internet.
> "Hostroute.com will be the sole arbiter as to what constitutes a
> violation of this provision."
>
> or in another part of the ToS he forgot what he had said elsewhere and
> this becomes:
>
> "Hostroute.com will be the sole arbiter in determining violations of
> this provision. "
This is exactly the same thing just worded differently. What's the problem
there?
I can't be bothered to go through the rest of your post.
Gordon Hudson
"Dissatisified Customer" <antiho...@spamhole.com> wrote in message
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> Let me explain. It's costs you $10/year to register .com name. That is
> $20 = £12.79. You charge £24.00.
No, we pay less than $20 for a 2 year registration for which we charge £24
We have VAT on the sale to pay and credit card commission to cover.
> 1) Evidence of copying
Yes, we copied part of that over from our Hostroute.com terms and
conditions.
The anomaly will be corrected.
Why do you have time to proof read our terms and conditions but not the time
to send in a technical support request?
On the blackmail issue, its sad that we have to have a clause that covers
this
but we occasionally get kids (mainly in the US) telling us to give them free
bandwidth or run IRC bots or they will post nasty stuff about us to news
groups or bulletin boards.
We once terminated someone for this, only to have it pointed out that it was
not stated in our TOS as an unacceptable activity.
> No YOU should grow up and stop running your shoddy home-based one man
> and his one-legged dog business like a 14 year old. Your an old enough
> apparent Christian (I very much doubt this..) trumpet player to do
> that.
This is not a one man business.
Anyone who had corresponded with technical support or sales would know that
there are a number of people working for this business (3 full time
employees
and four contractors)
I will pass your comparison of a one legged dog to the staff.
I am sure they will find it encouraging.
Even if it was a tin pot little one man business it would stand or fall
on whether the service provided was good or bad.
Your claims just dont stand up to any scrutiny as we have no significant
technical or customer service problems.
I will leave this thread now to die in peace.
If you have any problems with your account please enter a technical support
ticket
at http://helpdesk.hostroute.com
Gordon
Here are our last 6 cancellation requests.
None mention customer service or technical support as poor (which is an
option on the form)
reason_for_leaving: Price
rate_customer_service: Excellent
rate_technical_support: Excellent
reason_for_leaving: Don't need a web site anymore
rate_customer_service: Good
rate_technical_support: Good
reason_for_leaving: Don't need a web site anymore
rate_customer_service: Excellent
rate_technical_support: Excellent
reason_for_leaving: Don't need a web site anymore
rate_customer_service: Excellent
rate_technical_support: Excellent
reason_for_leaving: Needed service that was not offered
rate_customer_service: Good
rate_technical_support: Good
reason_for_leaving: It's a resold account and they are leaving
rate_customer_service: Good
rate_technical_support: Good
Gordon Hudson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dissatisified Customer" <antiho...@spamhole.com>
Newsgroups: alt.internet.providers.uk
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: hostroute.com
> Gordon now you are just taking the piss. Everybody knows you are a one
> man business. In fact, that and operating from a residential property
> were what you very recently said were responsible for your "low
> prices".
When did I claim that I did NOT work from home?
All our staff work from home.
I work from home.
My home address is the company registered office address.
This is public information.
>
> > No, we pay less than $20 for a 2 year registration for which we charge
£24
>
> No, you pay $20 to Tucows, Inc.
How can you know what our contract is with Tucows?
We pay less than $10 per year.
If you had any business experience you would know about non disclosure
clauses.
I am not going to print our wholesale price here but it is less than $10.
The fact is that we end up with about £3 per year to provide 10MB of web
space
an email account and basic support.
I think we provide a very good service for the money.
Its good value for money and it pays the bills.
> > We have VAT on the sale to pay and credit card commission to cover.
>
> Worldpay is hardly expensive but it is expensive to wonder how few
> customers you have. It's not economical when you sales exceed the VAT
> threshold. What is your VAT registration no., do your US sales include
> VAT and why do you make no reference to VAT on your website?
>
> > > 1) Evidence of copying
> >
> > Yes, we copied part of that over from our Hostroute.com terms and
> > conditions.
> > The anomaly will be corrected.
>
> No, you copied the ones from another hosting site, thousands of
> hosting sites use the same terms & conditions. They did not copy from
> you as a search at web.archive.org to show them up before you even
> started in your "business".
Yes, we were all resellers for Alabanza Inc at one time and they provided
the original version.
That is why so many hosting companies have similar wording in their TOS.
QED
Our VAT number is on our web site.
It is also on our receipts.
> Exactly. This is the kind of stupid thing that you do running your
> little hobby.
>
> > This is not a one man business.
> >
> > Anyone who had corresponded with technical support or sales would know
that
> > there are a number of people working for this business (3 full time
> > employees
> > and four contractors)
>
> Shut up.
Nice
Your true colours are showing now.
> > I will pass your comparison of a one legged dog to the staff.
> > I am sure they will find it encouraging.
>
> You don't have any fool.
Well I will tell refer them to this thread and not pay next months salaries
and see
what happens.
G Hudson
J Hudson
T Currie
Plus four part time in technical support
As they are not employees I cant really list their names here.
We subcontract our bookkeeping to Scott Moncrieff CA www.scott-moncrieff.com
We host over 11,000 web sites.
Please explain how one person could possibly run a business of this size???
> > Even if it was a tin pot little one man business it would stand or fall
> > on whether the service provided was good or bad.
>
> Which translates to "Yes, I am a one man business".
No it doesnt.
It translates as "you have no idea how to run a successful business
so you try and bring down other people's"
> Shut up and with your "reason_for_leaving"
You really are running out of steam now.
There are not my reasons.
This is what real customers say on a daily basis.
> One people quite possibly write good comments if they have heard the
> rumours about what happens if you try to leave your shoddy outfit.
What a lot of rubbish.
People have normally already moved their sites before they cancel
so they have an overlap in service.
> Secondly it shows your CGI script form processing skills are
> laughable, in that they produce such a default format when you receive
> them by email. Ever heard of Perl?
What does this have to do with your original point?
You are clearly either:
1. Deranged.
2. Not a customer.
3. Jealous for some reason.
4. Or the same person who claimed last year that we ooperate from a drug
ridden housing estate in Edinburgh.
Who knows?
I am not going to waste my time on this.
Any satisfied customers want to post any comments?
Gordon Hudson
Denesh Hindu Bhabuta
> > When did I claim that I did NOT work from home?
> > All our staff work from home.
> > I work from home.
>
>
> > My home address is the company registered office address.
> > This is public information.
>
> and I know relating to earlier Hostroute.com problems. Indeed you're
> still not abiding by Companies House regulations, whilst this address
> is better than a completely virtual one the name of your company is
> not displayed on a plate by your front door. Not good. Also, you broke
> their copyright by cutting & pasting your Company's details from their
> in an attempt to make yourself look like a reptuable business.
>
>
> > How can you know what our contract is with Tucows?
> > We pay less than $10 per year.
> > If you had any business experience you would know about non disclosure
> > clauses.
>
> slightly less than $10. But in your case, the true cost is usually
> likely to be over $10 once wire transfers etc have been accounted for,
> although admittedly the dollar rate is good just now.
>
> > I am not going to print our wholesale price here but it is less than $10.
> > space
> > an email account and basic support.
>
> ?24 for the 2 years, this leaves you ?5.07 per year for profit and
> services, you have even more thant that. Such providers as
> www.flyservers.com and others provide that kind of bog basic service
> truley free of cost. The cost to you as a reseller is negliable - and
> far less than ?3 per year. If you have 11,000 customers or whatever,
> it would be closer to zero, seriously.
>
> > I think we provide a very good service for the money.
> > Its good value for money and it pays the bills.
>
>
> > Yes, we were all resellers for Alabanza Inc at one time and they provided
> > the original version.
>
> hadn't copied it. And it didn't come from Alabanza Inc originall
> either as I know of the person who wrote it. So there.
>
> > Our VAT number is on our web site.
> > It is also on our receipts.
>
> > G Hudson
> > J Hudson
> > T Currie
>
> several customers who have complained of your shoddy service you have
> said they're emails have upset your wife who is in your own words
> "computer illiterate". So unless she has sprouted megabits over night,
> your lying. But we knew that anyway. Who's T. Currie? He doesn't work
> for you. All your emails to me have come from you.
>
> > Plus four part time in technical support
> > As they are not employees I cant really list their names here.
>
> names on your emails?
>
>
> > We subcontract our bookkeeping to Scott Moncrieff CA [snip]
>
> Lol.
>
> >
> > We host over 11,000 web sites.
>
> of them are co.uk???
>
> > Please explain how one person could possibly run a business of this size???
>
> >
> > You really are running out of steam now.
>
> about fraud.
>
> > There are not my reasons.
> > This is what real customers say on a daily basis.
>
> Nameroute.com
>
> >
> > People have normally already moved their sites before they cancel
> > so they have an overlap in service.
>
> know how to do this. It simply doesn't make sense when we consider
> your market.
>
> > What does this have to do with your original point?
>
>
> > You are clearly either:
> >
> > 1. Deranged.
>
>
> > 2. Not a customer.
>
> Nope.
>
> > 3. Jealous for some reason.
>
>
> > 4. Or the same person who claimed last year that we ooperate from a drug
> > ridden housing estate in Edinburgh.
>
>
> > 5. Any satisfied customers want to post any comments?
>
> Nope.
LOL.
Gordon Hudson
"Dissatisified Customer" <antiho...@spamhole.com> wrote in message
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> Since very recently it is, yes.
No, since the day the company was formed.
Please look up the records at Companies House.
> the name of your company is
> not displayed on a plate by your front door.
Actually it is, but you couldn't know, not having been here.
> Lol. It is true that certain high volume OpenSRS resellers are on
> slightly less than $10. But in your case, the true cost is usually
> likely to be over $10 once wire transfers etc have been accounted for,
> although admittedly the dollar rate is good just now.
Why are you arguing that we pay more for domain names than we actually pay??
> > Our VAT number is on our web site.
> > It is also on our receipts.
>
> Where? What receipts?
The RECEIPTS we send CUSTOMERS when they buy something
Our VAT number is GB 783 6877 64
This is also on our web site.
>Who's T. Currie? He doesn't work
> for you.
Yes he does.
Here is his personal web site:
http://www.thomascurrie.com/
Why not send him an email?
> They don't exist.
So how do i run a busines sof this size on my own?
> > We host over 11,000 web sites.
>
> urm not according to the Global Registry you don't. unless like 9,000+
> of them are co.uk???
Network Solutions handles?
You clearly live in the past.
I am tempted to attach a text file of them to this posting but its not a
binary group)
How do you account for the companies turnover if we do not host a large
number of web sites?
> No, you know fuck all about computers and hosting, but you know a lot
> about fraud.
So report me to the Police then.
Now go away.
--
Gordon Hudson
"Dissatisified Customer" <antiho...@spamhole.com> wrote in message
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> his London registered company address from Jan 2002:
>
http://web.archive.org/web/20020121203748/http://www.hostroute.net/index.htm
l
The registered office address is not listed on that page at all.
It was not added until after that page was revised, some time last year.
In fact it is IMPOSSIBLE to have a registered office for a Scottish company
outside of Scotland.
Companies House has only ever had two registered office addresses listed and
botjh of them have been
my home address.
Now go away and annoy someone else.
Gordon Hudson
"Dissatisified Customer" <antiho...@spamhole.com> wrote in message
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> your services after you continue to blatantly lie.
>
> > No, since the day the company was formed.
> > Please look up the records at Companies House.
>
> looking after you attempted to fraud + blackmail me (lamely) and
> bought a copy of your Company Reports with a London addresss on it.
> For god sake, even as recently as the start of the thread (See post
> #1) it still had the London address on.
>
> >> > the name of your company is
> > > not displayed on a plate by your front door.
> >
> > Actually it is, but you couldn't know, not having been here.
>
> that might attract the attention of the police, don't you? I have a
> friend who lives in Haddington.
>
> > Why are you arguing that we pay more for domain names than we actually
pay??
>
Which we do.
These agreements are not just for their top 50 customers.
They are by negotiation depending on the market you are operatring in and
volume of sales.
Now go away and grow up.
Gordon Hudson
> > [whois.opensrs.net]
> > Registrant:
> > CoHosting.net
> > Ferry Road
> > Edinburgh, Mid Lothian EH4 4AQ
> > UK
> >
> > Domain name: COHOSTING.NET
> >
> > Administrative Contact:
> > Currie, Thomas hostm...@cohosting.net
> > Ferry Road
> > Edinburgh, Mid Lothian EH4 4AQ
> > UK
> > 07815594227 Fax: 08707059797
>
>
> You know it's really weird. There is no house number given for Ferry
> Road. And also there is no record for a Thomas Currie living on that
> street. Is it you?
Ask him.
You obviously have too much time on your hands.
Posting anonymous garbage like this.
Gordon Hudson
"Dissatisified Customer" <antiho...@spamhole.com> wrote in message
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> your services after you continue to blatantly lie.
>
> > Please look up the records at Companies House.
>
> looking after you attempted to fraud + blackmail me (lamely) and
> bought a copy of your Company Reports with a London addresss on it.
> For god sake, even as recently as the start of the thread (See post
> #1) it still had the London address on.
>
> > > not displayed on a plate by your front door.
> >
> > Actually it is, but you couldn't know, not having been here.
>
> that might attract the attention of the police, don't you? I have a
> friend who lives in Haddington.
>
pay??
>
> know for a fact you pay $10 per year.
>
> > The RECEIPTS we send CUSTOMERS when they buy something
>
>
>
> > Yes he does.
> > Here is his personal web site:
> > http://www.thomascurrie.com/
> > Why not send him an email?
>
> hosting business and so this can't real count.
No, he has his own dedicated server like many Linux people.
>Your very lame. And
> you're the only person I know who puts "LTh MICFM" after their name??
At least I have some qualifications.
> Urrm it's not very big. Plus i'd estimate you had about 1,000 sites.
And you reach that estimate by?
> > So report me to the Police then.
>
> Many people have..
No they have not.
You are obviously a very sick individual.
> Finally spot the difference:
>
> [Gordon] "We subcontract our bookkeeping to Scott Moncrieff CA
> www.scott-moncrieff.com"
>
> [Gordon's website] "Dunn & Bradstreet Number 222188281"
You obviously don't know what Dunn and Bradstreet is.
People reading this will draw their own conclusions.
Gordon Hudson
"Dissatisified Customer" <antiho...@spamhole.com> wrote in message
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> I would post a photo of your little shithole residence but I think
> that might attract the attention of the police, don't you? I have a
> friend who lives in Haddington.
I am already contacting the Police, because I believe you are a deranged
individual who intends to harm me
or my family.
This has got way out of hand.
You are clearly deranged and probably dangerous.
Gordon Hudson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dissatisified Customer" <antiho...@spamhole.com>
Newsgroups: alt.internet.providers.uk
Subject: Re: hostroute.com
> Above all you have shown yourself to be exactly how I am alledging you
> conduct all of your business. People should take particuarly notice of
> your attempt to prevent by free speech my submitting falsifications to
> my ISP.
How could I have done that?
You are posting anonymously through an anonymous remailer.
Phone me now on 01506 430757.
> 2) Your solicitors you often refer to. Who are they? Do they exist?
How could anybody runa acompany without using a solicitor at some point?
Ivor Klayman
Caesar & Howie
27/29 George Street
Bathgate
> 3) What's a LTh MICFM?
Look them up in any book of qualifications.
> 4) Why does "T. Currie" use a false WhoIs address and can you prove he
> actually exists?
He did the last time I paid him.
> 5) Why do you claim your wife runs the business on some occassions but
> claim she doesn't know how to work a computer on others? Surely you
> didn't trick her into signing the Director application?
I dont claim that she cant work a computer.
> 6) Why claim you have a plate on your front door when you don't?
I do have a plate on the right hand side of the door on the door frame.
You have never been here so you dont know.
If you have been here then I will report you to the police for harrassment.
Except you are posting anonymously and can say whatever you like without
having to prove
any of it.
Meanwhile I need to rebut every single claim to prevent mud sticking.
> 7) Why do you over-estimate the number of sites you host around 11
> fold?
I don't need to, as we claim the number we actually do host
and you cant prove otherwise.
> Until you answer these questions I doubt anyone will trust you and
> they are quite correct.
Until you giove YOUR name addres and phon enumber in this thread you have
zero credibility.
I have given my home address and telephone number.
> > These agreements are not just for their top 50 customers.
> > They are by negotiation depending on the market you are operatring in >
and
> > volume of sales.
>
> If you were as big as company as you claim you would easily be in the
> op 50,
No, we would not.
We register approx 1000 .com etc domains per month and 250 to 300 in .uk
Their discounts are not limited to their top 50 resellers.
Anyone in any doubt about the size of Hostroute.com Ltd can
see this page for absolute proof.
http://www.hostroute.net/proof
I am not going to respond any further to someone posting anonymously.
Readers of this thread should weigh up whether he or I am more likley to be
telling the truth.
David Barker
stand behind his own claims with his own name.
There's no evidence that's he been a customer of HostRoute (He hasn't even
told us the domain that he 'tried' to register).
He seems to have no grasp of UK law or how businesses are run.
Finally, he's just being plain arrogant now.
Gordon Hudson
> > We register approx 1000 .com etc domains per month
>
> Nominet invoice will be laughing their head off at 200-300 names per
> month based on the one you show.
£1410 divided by £5 per domain = 282 domains registered.
Gordon Hudson
> > How could I have done that?
> > You are posting anonymously through an anonymous remailer.
>
So posting via Google not using a real email address or name is not
anonymous?
> > How could anybody runa acompany without using a solicitor at some point?
> >
> > Ivor Klayman
> > Caesar & Howie
> > 27/29 George Street
> > Bathgate
>
> Hmmn. That's funny. You didn't address a letter to that name very
> recently, in fact you inferred you were only just looking for a
> solicitor.
Rubbish
When was this?
You clearly live in a fantasy world.
I have had no contact with you and neither have our solicitors.
In fact our solicitors have never had any contact with any of our customers
for any reason.
> I could post that email...
What email?
> > > 6) Why claim you have a plate on your front door when you don't?
> >
> > I do have a plate on the right hand side of the door on the door frame.
> > You have never been here so you dont know.
> > If you have been here then I will report you to the police for
harrassment.
>
> SOrry, but if I'm defrauded, can't contact a company, so go and have a
> look for their company offices, is that harrassment? I think not. You
> don't have one so give it up.
You have not been defrauded.
Show your evidence.
> Their not claims. They're truth, else I wouldn't post them.
You have presented no evidence of your claim that we have defrauded you.
You have not even stated what service you bought from us.
> Well you certainly don't have anywhere near 9,000 tld domains using
> your nameservers, liar.
No, we have 14,000 or there abouts including parked domains and those owned
by resellers.
Its a Mysql driven system with primary and secondaries in the UK and US
> > Until you giove YOUR name addres and phon enumber in this thread you
have
> > zero credibility.
>
> Why would I want to publish my phone number, name and address?
Because if you have the courange of your convictions you would provide
evidence that we had defrauded
you as claimed.
You have not given any evidence.
On the other hand I have provided ample evidence of the statis of this
business.
> > http://www.hostroute.net/proof
>
> Lol. That page is like me saying the earth is flat.
I will let that statement speak for itself.
Anyone reading this thread should look at the evidence you have presented of
fraud.
Zero.
> But no-one in their right mind would do
> busienss with your site, even if they had no idea what a prick you
> were.
Ditto
--
Adam L Gent
useful for any court case or police investigation!!
I am unable to find out what a MICFM is but agter a brief search on the
net there seems to be alot of people with this qualification therefore it
is proably a leigitimet one.
As for Thomas Currie the electorial role or direct enquires does not list
a Thome Currie living at that address.
Dunn and Bradsure are a credit reference agency used by alot of companies
when working our credit levels for other companies, therefore having a
dunn and bradsure number is useful.
As for the figures that gordon provided the nominet invoice is correct in
what it lists.
The opensrs figures seem correct.
It is possible for opensrs to have contracts for lower amounts, gordon has
mentioned this on many ocassions in other places and that it is govened
by an NDA which is not supprising otherwise everyone would be wanting
lower prices. For opensrs it is very useful for them to have contracts
with companies as it makes life easier for them. I believe one of the
opensrs reps went to see him about moving his uk business from nominet
direct to go through to opensrs.
I can not say anything about most of the domains that Gordon say he hosts,
although I do believe him but I can say that gorden did host the number of
windows domains that he listed. I am not sure what he currently has.
Further to the comment about Thomas Currie, so what if he has a linux box
in the states and not in the UK, it is often cheaper to get a dedicated
box in the states to play with, than it is to have it in your own room. At
least then you can just get a new box when you want a faster one and only
have to pay monthly charges.
It is also fairly common for hosting companies to share support with
other hosting companies, as it allows people to go on holiday or to get
some sleep.
Adam
David Barker
> wanker.
I don't see how you expect anyone to take you seriously when you have to
resort to that type of language to get your 'message' across.
If you must know I have talked to Gordon on quite a few occasions and can
tell you that he's a perfectly respectable person. You can ask anyone on
AIPUK (That's alt.internet.providers.uk in case you didn't know) and they
will tell you similar.
> "Tried" to register? Where on earth did you get that from?
From the fact that you haven't actually told us the domain that you
registered through Nameroute to get the free hosting and that you've had the
"problems". Having said that, have you actually even told us what problems
you've experienced?
> Lol yeah sure, anyone who sides with Hostroute/Nameroute.com's Terms &
> Conditions is REALLY, REALLY up on UK contracts law. I think it is you
> whom have demonstrated arrpgance about the Scottish legal system
> amongst other things.
We have seen no evidence to say that you're an expert on UK contract law
either. Post some credentials or even a name and we might start to believe
you.
Also you were complaining about Gordon's ToS having bad spelling and yet you
can't even spell arrogance.
> I rest my case, and recommended no=one does
> business with 4dhosting, you'll see their Terms of Service are copied
> too. Blah blah blah.
Firstly you are in no position to make a claim that no one does business
with us seeing as you've never tried our service and even if you had then
you wouldn't be able to make such a claim.
What evidence do you have that our ToS are copied?
Adam L Gent
only reference I can find to MICFM is Member of Institute of Fleet
Managment, at least that is what they mean the the US.
As for the address of Thomas Currie, the road and post code are valid,
therefore he could very much live there.
As for the argeement with openSRS what do you have to base this on, have
you spoken to openSRS about this, that is the only way to confirm if he
has an agreement with them, either way it would not be professional for
them to confirm or deny if he has or not.
As for a linux box, yes I know what they are, I have several both in my
house and as dedicated servers.
The only person that has provided proof for this entire thread to Gordon.
If you where to provide more proof then we would be more inclind to
believe your story but you have not.
Adam
On 30 Mar 2003, Dissatisified Customer wrote:
> Adam L Gent <scm...@thrall.cs.cf.ac.uk> wrote in message news:<Pine.GSO.4.05.103032...@thrall.cs.cf.ac.uk>...
>
> > I am unable to find out what a MICFM is but agter a brief search on the
> > net there seems to be alot of people with this qualification therefore it
> > is proably a leigitimet one.
>
> It's a pretty worthless certificate. But what's an LTh?
> >
> > As for Thomas Currie the electorial role or direct enquires does not list
> > a Thome Currie living at that address.
>
> The addres given is fake, anyhow.
>
> > It is possible for opensrs to have contracts for lower amounts, gordon has
> > mentioned this on many ocassions in other places and that it is govened
> > by an NDA which is not supprising otherwise everyone would be wanting
> > lower prices. For opensrs it is very useful for them to have contracts
> > with companies as it makes life easier for them. I believe one of the
> > opensrs reps went to see him about moving his uk business from nominet
> > direct to go through to opensrs.
>
> Wrong way round. I researched this and he moved to his own tag at
> Nominet from the shared OpenSRS method for registering .ca .uk names
> etc. No-one doubts that OpenSRS make special agreements, I'm just
> saying that they don't with Gordon. His figures also quite clearly
> give a strong indication that is the case but that is not what I am
> basing it on.
>
> > I can not say anything about most of the domains that Gordon say he hosts,
> > although I do believe him but I can say that gorden did host the number of
> > windows domains that he listed. I am not sure what he currently has.
>
> What was 11,000 "hosted", is now including "9,000 of which are
> parked".
>
> > Further to the comment about Thomas Currie, so what if he has a linux box
> > in the states and not in the UK,
>
> Do you know what a linux box is? Gordon quite clearly told us it was
> what many Linux people had, that is it is something entirely different
> to a server running Linux used for commercially hosting websites.
>
>
Paul Baker
<Pine.GSO.4.05.103033...@thrall.cs.cf.ac.uk>, Adam L
Gent <scm...@cs.cf.ac.uk> writes
>Well if you where to look on the web an LTh is Licentiate in Theology,
>the only reference I can find to MICFM is Member of Institute of Fleet
>Managment, at least that is what they mean the the US.
What about the "International Convention of Faith Ministries"?
It fits with the LTh, above.
--
Paul
Gotder Tishirt
news:nFsCNGfz...@tigger.local:
Or maybe the Institute of Charity Fundraising Managers
http://www.icfm.org.uk/
Gordon Hudson
> > So posting via Google not using a real email address or name is not
> > anonymous?
>
> copies of. So it further enforces my negative view of you.
>
> >
> > > > How could anybody runa acompany without using a solicitor at some
point?
> > > >
> > > > Ivor Klayman
> > > > Caesar & Howie
> > > > 27/29 George Street
> > > > Bathgate
> > >
> > > Hmmn. That's funny. You didn't address a letter to that name very
> > > recently, in fact you inferred you were only just looking for a
> > > solicitor.
> >
> > Rubbish
> > When was this?
>
>
> >
> > You clearly live in a fantasy world.
> >
> > I have had no contact with you and neither have our solicitors.
> > In fact our solicitors have never had any contact with any of our
customers
> > for any reason.
>
>
> > You have not been defrauded.
> > Show your evidence.
>
> something to hide?
>
> > No, we have 14,000 or there abouts including parked domains and those
owned
> > by resellers.
>
> different from 11,000 names "hosted"..
No 11,000 hosted and a further 3000 parked (approx)
Nothing further to say.
Gordon Hudson
> You appear to have deleted your post, which clearly showed as very
> recently you had no solicitor and were seeking one, together with the
> vast majority of my posts due to the way in which I was posting.
>
> But this article might be of interest to dispute your claims:
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=am4lh1%245t
p%241%24830fa17d%40news.demon.co.uk
>
> Not sure how you were going to take legal action without a solicitor,
Where does it say in that post that we dont have a solicitor?
Nothing further to say.
Gordon Hudson
"Gotder Tishirt" <GWB...@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:Xns934ED8C...@194.168.222.40...
Correct.
It was replaced by MinstF at the back end of last year and then some
non accredited car fleet management group started using the letters.
OK, so what do my qualifications have to do with Clyde navigation?
Gotder Tishirt
$g0l$1$8300...@news.demon.co.uk:
> OK, so what do my qualifications have to do with Clyde navigation?
Your friend "Dissatisfied Customer" asked about them, that's all.
Dave Gill
> What gets me is that this guy can post this anonymous crap with
> absolutely no evidence and I have to come back and rebutt
> it point by point, because people do read these things
> and assume "no smoke without fire".
I think most people just ignored him after the first few posts. I k/f'd
the dipstick days ago. Took me two attempts mind, the first time I
hadn't noticed he couldn't even spell "dissatisfied" properly...
--
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Peter Morgan
>Any satisfied customers want to post any comments?
Sorry Gordon, I'm not actually a Hostroute customer, but using
Nameroute, the DNS Plus (or similar) add-on, and have 3 accounts
using MyQTH. Clients have no complaints, and neither do I. PGM
uk-info
(Dissatisified Customer) wrote:
>Secondly lastly, I am also still awaiting clarification on:
You have yet to prove you are actually a customer and not just
some drunken idiot, so that's evens. Gordon has explained how
you can submit a request for support, if you are actually his
customer, but it appears you're just a nuisance!
I cannot think of any good reason for seeking out the home of
someone unless it is to submit papers to court for some claim
against them. Now, get down to the court and fill in papers
if you have a small claim to settle.
Meanwhile *PLONK* you time waster! Peter Morgan.
Karl Austin
> 11,120 web sites for customers spread across a large number of servers
> in 4 data centres.
>
Now this I can vouch for, because I've seen quite a number of HostRoutes
servers in London, so I know they exist, and judging by the link lights and
drive lights, they are pretty active.
Thank you,
Karl Austin
KDA Web Services Ltd.
www.kdawebservices.com
Virtual and Dedicated Hosting
Read Independent Reviews @
www.kdaws.com/reviews.php
TEL: 0800 542 97 64
Karl Austin
Gordon Hudson
"Peter Morgan" <no....@lastname.org.uk> wrote in message
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Thanks Peter
And thanks Karl
Vijay
LOL.