Aghhhh I hate British ISPS
Che Guevera
me the best part of 30 notes. Thats 50 pounds for just over a month of
engaged tones and timeouts, why doesn't this bloody goverment step in and
regulate these cowboys, also shouldn't C&W accept some blame for pulling the
rugs on the ISPs knowing they would take with them so much in punter's cash.
Conor
says...
> Bastard 08002go owe me 20 quid and now Nutshell have gone titties up oweing
> me the best part of 30 notes. Thats 50 pounds for just over a month of
> engaged tones and timeouts, why doesn't this bloody goverment step in and
> regulate these cowboys,
Because the Minister in charge of it all knows fuck all about computers
and has a secretary to open his e-mails.
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Brian C
well nutshell look ok, so you throw 30 quid at them. They then play
sillybuggers. So thats 2 ISPs in less than a month that have went
tits up on me, leaving me out of pocket. It's less than impressive.
Didn't the govenrment set up some body to make our ISPs competitive,
and recently they said 'all is OK in the world, and the land floweth
weth beer milk and honey, so we will disolve ourself'? Rings a bell.
Well I'm sure they are more concerned with logging us than making
sure we don't get shafted.
Bollocks. We seem to be left with AOL, expensive DSL if you can get
it, and FFS it's all a BOS! *. I refuse to use AOL, they are everything
the internet wasn't designed for. If I do I'm sure I'll start fancying that
wierd bint with the bob on the adds, and the next thing you know I'm
assimilated into the stepford wives AOL BOS world plan. Bah.
* BOS = Bag of shite. I like TLAs.
¤ - Sqool © - ¤
staggered into this thread & announced this:
<snip>
>Bollocks. We seem to be left with AOL, expensive DSL if you can get
>it, and FFS it's all a BOS! *. I refuse to use AOL, they are everything
>the internet wasn't designed for. If I do I'm sure I'll start fancying that
>wierd bint with the bob on the adds, and the next thing you know I'm
>assimilated into the stepford wives AOL BOS world plan. Bah.
>
>* BOS = Bag of shite. I like TLAs.
I agree with this post!
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way so why change it?' All the time we have that mentality we're going
nowhere. BT still rules a monopoly on the local loop and OFTEL's too
frightened to force them to give it up.( In fact this whole country's going
to pieces...declare war on someone then drop food parcels...what sort of war
is that...?). Just seems it's all designed by Yuppies FOR Yuppies 'cos
they're all too busy being Politically Correct to actually DO anything....oh
dear that wasn't very PC now was it? I'm sick of hearing how bloody
wonderful it is to live here - yes I have lived abroad and not felt like I
have the Thought Police over my shoulder like we have now. It's all because
people are too complacent...you wait until you realise your email is being
read and your surfing's being recorded ....oh I forgot, that's being done in
the name of anti-terrorism isn't it. Truth is that the Internet is the
biggest threat to the government there's ever been because it gives people
the right to FREE speech which takes away govt control - why would they want
us to get online easily? Think about it. Moan moan etc
Last one out of the country please turn the lights out.
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hand over £ 2+ for a pint of colored water !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
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Oliver Broadway
> In fact this whole country's going to pieces...declare war on someone
> then drop food parcels...what sort of war is that...?
That's America. The clue is that the food they think the Afghans are
begging for is peanut butter and jelly sandwiches...
Ollie
David Taylor
> hand over £ 2+ for a pint of colored water !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
> Adam .
Mine costs £3.30 per day and I don't go down to the pub to hand over £2+
for a pint!
:-)
David.
Queen Of Hearts
> why doesn't this bloody goverment step in and
> regulate these cowboys,
It is usually obvious to everyone except those "after a bargain" that
these ISPs would fail... just don't sign up to them and their like, and
they will have no market.
David Simmons
> Che Guevera said:
>
> > why doesn't this bloody goverment step in and
> > regulate these cowboys,
>
> It is usually obvious to everyone except those "after a bargain" that
> these ISPs would fail... just don't sign up to them and their like, and
> they will have no market.
I work for Hosting Company/ISP (eliteukserve.net) and we run the
standard 0845 no.s. We enquired about the possibility of 0800 access
(ala Nutshell) with C&W. We worked out that if one customer stayed on
for 24 hrs a day for 30 days a month even on the cheapest tarrif (ie
weekends) we would owe C&W over £800!!
Until oftel sorts out BT this country will NEVER have a competetive
0800/free dial ISP market.
Let me see what choices to the public have...BT SurfTime or... AOL. Oh
and by the way if you use AOL...you do know that you can't send email
through their smtp servers coz they dont use smtp...interesting...and
BT click (business surftime) have set theirs to disallow it
aswell...so if u wanna send email from y...@yourcompanysdomain.com
(hosted with a competetive hosting provider) unless they are stupid
and allow anyone to relay...you dont have much choice now do you.
Excuse me Mr Monopolies & Merger Man...SORT IT OUT!!
PL
0800/free dial ISP market."
Your statement needs to read (until oftel sorts out all telecos and requires
friaco charging systems from all of them, this country will never have a
competitive 0800/free dial ISP market"...
The situation as it stands is that NTL and others charge metered rates that
are well in excess of what BT charge for Friaco. Any call routed on their
network has to be paid for by the ISP. This is how 0800 numbers work..
Any teleco originating an 0800 call gets paid... I believe it's around
0.9p/min peak rate and 0.5/min offpeak.
Hence why the only sustainable ISPs only work on BT lines and use 0808 99
(friaco) or 0844 Surftime charging schemes. However, it should be obvious
that other telecos will not route the calls unless they get paid their
normal rate to do so, and BT won't pay them either, so no doubt blocks the
call from coming in. Otherwise they'd have to cough up more to NTL or
whomever than what they get for the Friaco port in the first place.
There is very little chance of Oftel requiring Friaco charging systems from
other telecos any time soon though. It looks to me like the only teleco
they regulate *is* BT...
There attitude is that as BT is available universally (I guess they don't
consider Hull), people have a choice in the matter.
Shep©
(David Simmons) wrote:
>Queen Of Hearts <stoleso...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<MPG.163d0c1a6...@news.freeserve.net>...
>> Che Guevera said:
>>
>> > why doesn't this bloody goverment step in and
>> > regulate these cowboys,
>>
>> It is usually obvious to everyone except those "after a bargain" that
>> these ISPs would fail... just don't sign up to them and their like, and
>> they will have no market.
>
>I work for Hosting Company/ISP (eliteukserve.net) and we run the
>standard 0845 no.s. We enquired about the possibility of 0800 access
>(ala Nutshell) with C&W. We worked out that if one customer stayed on
>for 24 hrs a day for 30 days a month even on the cheapest tarrif (ie
>weekends) we would owe C&W over Ł800!!
>
>Until oftel sorts out BT this country will NEVER have a competetive
>0800/free dial ISP market.
>
>Let me see what choices to the public have...BT SurfTime or... AOL. Oh
>and by the way if you use AOL...you do know that you can't send email
>through their smtp servers coz they dont use smtp...interesting...and
>BT click (business surftime) have set theirs to disallow it
>aswell...so if u wanna send email from y...@yourcompanysdomain.com
>(hosted with a competetive hosting provider) unless they are stupid
>and allow anyone to relay...you dont have much choice now do you.
>
>Excuse me Mr Monopolies & Merger Man...SORT IT OUT!!
The state of the Internet and UK ISPs for the masses will not change
whilst BT continue to,"Asset Strip"small companies/businessmen who
wish to genuinely provide a cheap and decent 24/7 connection.Even to
the extent I think they have bought shares in companies that have
started to be successful and then closed them down or moved payment
dates and changed prices structures to suit their alleged deceitful
practices.
Of course this is pure conjecture on my behalf so I may be 180 Deg
out :/
Gareth Babb
>There attitude is that as BT is available universally (I guess they don't
>consider Hull), people have a choice in the matter.
OFTEL do apply a fair number of regulations which apply to BT because of its
Significant Market Power to KC.
Oliver Broadway
(David Simmons) wrote:
> Oh and by the way if you use AOL...you do know that you can't send email
> through their smtp servers coz they dont use smtp...interesting...
Very interesting, considering that I've been regualarly sending email
through AOL's smtp servers since I first used AOL some 8 months ago.
Ollie
Conor
auto2...@hushmail.com says...
>
> There attitude is that as BT is available universally (I guess they don't
> consider Hull), people have a choice in the matter.
>
BT is available in Hull and has been for quite a while. The expansion of
KC into East Yorks came about because BT stupidly thought people would
want to use them as a private sector telco in Hull and applied for a
licence to operate there as such. KC responded by saying that was fine
as long as they coudl expand out. Guess what? Hardly anyone in Hull is
on BT and alot of East Yorks residents jumped to KC as for normal phones
its infinitely cheaper.
PL
I had this impression about Hull, because of Kingston users whinging about
their lack of unmetered ISPs and giving the impression they had no choices.
If they do have that choice, then I guess they can pick what they want
according to their priorities and quit whinging about it.
David Simmons
> > through their smtp servers coz they dont use smtp...interesting...
>
> Very interesting, considering that I've been regualarly sending email
> through AOL's smtp servers since I first used AOL some 8 months ago.
>
> Ollie
tell all! u will make many many aol user very happy!
Tim Mitchell
<auto2...@hushmail.com> writes
reduced-call-charge options available to us for our 3-person business.
(KC's unmetered offering, the marvellous Karoo Anytime, is only
available to home users).
KC have finally introduced ADSL (2 years after they announced it!) but
again, only available to home users.
I tried to get BT to install an ISDN line to us so we could use a FRIACO
or SurfTime ISP but they said (a) it was too far from the nearest BT
exchange and (b) they didn't have a licence to operate in Hull. So far I
have not been able to confirm the truth of either statement.
If anyone has managed to get a BT service in Hull or found an unmetered
ISP I would be interested to hear about it.
KC's phone service is great value, their internet service is v poor.
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Oliver Broadway
(David Simmons) wrote:
> > Very interesting, considering that I've been regualarly sending email
> > through AOL's smtp servers since I first used AOL some 8 months ago.
>
> tell all! u will make many many aol user very happy!
No big secret to it, just use any standard mail program and put anything
in as the smtp server; AOL automatically redirects all smtp requests
through their own smtp servers.
Ollie
Che Guevera
> in as the smtp server; AOL automatically redirects all smtp requests
> through their own smtp servers.
>
> Ollie
Sorry mate, please explain further.
If I put smpt.aol.com in my outlook express settings, mail will be sent out
through the AOL servers?
Conor
says...
requests.
Shep©
wrote:
>In article <100378949...@eos.uk.clara.net>,
>auto2...@hushmail.com says...
>
>>
>> There attitude is that as BT is available universally (I guess they don't
>> consider Hull), people have a choice in the matter.
>>
>BT is available in Hull and has been for quite a while. The expansion of
>KC into East Yorks came about because BT stupidly thought people would
>want to use them as a private sector telco in Hull and applied for a
>licence to operate there as such. KC responded by saying that was fine
>as long as they coudl expand out. Guess what? Hardly anyone in Hull is
>on BT and alot of East Yorks residents jumped to KC as for normal phones
>its infinitely cheaper.
Nope.The meeting called to express wishes from the people of Hull was
rigged in Favour of KC by,"Scaremongering"Tactics by KC and HCK who
want to keep their monopoly.
Considering that many of the larger shareholders of Kingston
communications are also Council members.You do the math :/
Oliver Broadway
> Sorry mate, please explain further.
> If I put smpt.aol.com in my outlook express settings, mail will be sent
> out through the AOL servers?
Basically, yes. In fact you can put whatever you like in your OE settings.
What you can't do is use a different smtp server whilst dialled into AOL,
since AOL will intercept it and redirect it to their own servers.
Ollie
Oliver Broadway
wrote:
> No as they don't have any proper SMTP servers available to 3rd party
> app requests.
Yes they do. Look here:
Received: from rly-ip02.mx.aol.com (rly-ip02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.160])
by technetium.cix.co.uk (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f9NEf2f21645
for <obro...@cix.co.uk>; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 15:41:02 +0100 (BST)
Received: from logs-wn.proxy.aol.com (logs-wn.proxy.aol.com
[205.188.197.135])
by rly-ip02.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/AOL-5.0.0)
with ESMTP id KAA22098;
Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:40:38 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from metronet.co.uk (AC89F4B2.ipt.aol.com [172.137.244.178])
by logs-wn.proxy.aol.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id
f9NEdYH171759;
Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:39:35 -0400 (EDT)
This is an extract from the header of an email that I CC'd to myself
earlier today, showing its path from my computer through AOL's SMTP
servers.
Ollie
Conor
obro...@cix.co.uk says...
> Basically, yes. In fact you can put whatever you like in your OE settings.
> What you can't do is use a different smtp server whilst dialled into AOL,
> since AOL will intercept it and redirect it to their own servers.
>
Thats what I meant..DOH!
Reb
server in OE and try to send a message the error comes back cannot connect
to "anything"
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Oliver Broadway
> Am I missing something here? Because if I put "anything" into the smtp
> server in OE and try to send a message the error comes back cannot
> connect to "anything"
Maybe OE needs to be able to resolve the address before it tries to
connect, I don't know. Try it with the address of a real server. (AOL will
still end up redirecting the actual connection to their own server.)
Ollie
Reb
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Ollie
My other accounts are real servers but they won't send. The secure socket 25
error comes up form the "real" server.
What do you enter into your OE to make it work?
Conor
says...
> Am I missing something here? Because if I put "anything" into the smtp
> server in OE and try to send a message the error comes back cannot connect
> to "anything"
>
On a related topic..I tried to send mail via smtp.mail.yahoo.co.uk and
it sauid it doesn't accept connections from the AOL domain :-)
Oliver Broadway
> My other accounts are real servers but they won't send. The secure
> socket 25 error comes up form the "real" server.
> What do you enter into your OE to make it work?
I don't use OE, I use Ameol. I've been through several ISPs in the last
year or so, always with AOL as a backup, and so I've had several different
SMTP servers entered. All have worked with AOL (i.e., all have been
successfully re-directed via AOL's servers).
I think to help you further you probably require someone with greater
technical knowledge than me.
Ollie
Oliver Broadway
wrote:
> On a related topic..I tried to send mail via smtp.mail.yahoo.co.uk and
> it sauid it doesn't accept connections from the AOL domain :-)
This is really weird. AOL has always, and still is, redirected all my SMTP
connections through its own servers. AIUI, from what other people have
said in the past, that's what AOL does. But it looks like for you and Reb
it isn't doing so. I'm afraid I don't know why. Maybe it's been blocked on
particular access numbers, or something.
Ollie
Reb
I wonder if the fact that I dial in using one of the 0800 numbers (not BT
line) makes any difference?
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Oliver Broadway
> I wonder if the fact that I dial in using one of the 0800 numbers (not
> BT line) makes any difference?
No, because so do I. It's possible that the specific number you use might
make a difference, though. I use 0800 034 7447 - try that and see if it
works.
Ollie
Oliver Broadway
> I wonder if the fact that I dial in using one of the 0800 numbers (not
> BT line) makes any difference?
No, because so do I. It's possible that the specific number you use might
Reb
"Oliver Broadway" <obro...@cix.co.uk> wrote in message
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Ollie
Found the IP address of an AOL server that seems to work OK it's
152.163.225.68
Just for info.