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Ether St. Vying

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Apr 13, 2003, 6:57:07 PM4/13/03
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Read it and weep. According to a poll by the LA Times:

"Seven out of 10 Americans, according to the poll, think the U.S. has
the "moral authority" to attack Iraq and 60 per cent say the world is
being made a better place by the U.S. military."

And this is Lala land! Can you imagine what they believe in the boonies.

At this point I think the bush league is a bigger threat to the world
than their so called enemies who are their best friends when they can
use them for their own ends.

Ether

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LINDA DIEBEL

Thank God for Helen Thomas.

She sits hunched over in the front row at White House press briefings
and, as the slick boys and girls of the press corps respectfully clear
their throats and try to catch Ari's eye, she goes in for the kill.

She's 82 years old, already. What does she have to fear from White
House flaks and media
spin-doctors?

And so, on Thursday, the legendary Ms. Thomas, formerly with UPI and
now with Hearst, raised her head, squeezed one eye shut, took lethal aim
and fired.

"Is the president contemplating any other regime changes in the Middle
East," she asked Bush spokesperson Ari Fleischer. "I mean ... there
seems to be something in the air that he may not stop with Iraq."

Bull's-eye!
[]
There are no qualms about going it alone, or almost, without the United
Nations.

"It's not totally new because Americans have always felt they can
defend themselves
anywhere," says Stephen Clarkson, Canadian author and visiting scholar
at the Woodrow
Wilson International Centre in Washington.

"What's new is the attitude, the close-mindedness, of the Bush group.
This place is
completely closed. They know the truth. It comes from God. They're
right and everybody
else is wrong."

Bush casts issues in terms of moral right and wrong. His is an Old
Testament White House, of vengeance sayeth the Lord against the foes of
America.

Freedom, said Bush on Friday, eyes cast heavenward, "is a gift from the
Almighty God."

Toronto international criminal lawyer David Jacobs views the Bush
doctrine as a "terrifying doctrine of empire ... wholly unlawful."

"The United States' almost religious fervour to control the planet is
dangerous," says Jacobs.

But there are "many countries and peoples around the world who do not
like the system and practices of the American government, and do not
think the U.S. option holds advantages over their own. The rest of the
planet does not believe the U.S. has the moral or legal authority to
impose its views."

It does appear to have the military might.

There are more than 300,000 coalition troops on the ground in Iraq. And
there are signs,
despite denials, the Bush administration is already looking elsewhere
in the region, starting with Syria and Iran.

Former CIA chief James Woolsey says we're poised on the brink of World
War IV. He's a
Bush hawk, touted to take over the information directorate in the
provisional government in Iraq.

"This Fourth World War, I think, will last considerably longer than
either the First or Second World Wars did for us," Woolsey told a UCLA
conference last week, referring to the Cold War as World War III.

"Hopefully," he added, "not the full four decades of the Cold War."
[]
Opinion polls show Americans are ready to reshape the Middle East.

A survey last week by the Los Angeles Times shows public opinion
increasingly in favour of a broader U.S. military role in the Middle
East,

It shows 50 per cent would support an attack on Iran if that country
continues to develop
nuclear weapons, and 42 per cent favour moving U.S. troops over from
Iraq and invading
Syria.

Seven out of 10 Americans, according to the poll, think the U.S. has
the "moral authority" to attack Iraq and 60 per cent say the world is
being made a better place by the U.S. military.

And that's before Bush and his Pentagon spinners have even really honed
in on a campaign to ready the public for war against Syria or Iran.

To date, we've just had a taste of what looks like a serious campaign
to come.

But it is heating up.

"I think we're going to be obliged to fight a regional war whether we
want to or not," Michael Ledeen, former U.S. national security official,
recently told The American Prospect policy magazine.

"It may turn out to be a war to remake the world."
[]
Views that evolved in the 1990s came together in a document by the
Project for a New
American Century think-tank and signed by Rumsfeld and other future
Bush administration hawks two years before Bush took office.

"The United States has for decades sought to play a more permanent role
in Gulf regional
security," it says.

"While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate
justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the
Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein."

It also notes: "Iran may well prove as large a threat to U.S. interests
as Iraq has."

The heart of the Bush doctrine surfaced in a 1992 defence-planning
guide written by
Wolfowitz, then working under defence secretary Cheney. It was leaked
to the New York
Times.

"This was all gamed and played out by folks from the think-tanks for
years," says military
analyst Stanton, explaining that they waited out the presidency of
William Clinton, biding
their time.

The Bush doctrine says the U.S. "must dissuade potential adversaries
from pursuing a
military buildup in hopes of surpassing or equalling the power of the
United States."

As Kaplan and Kristol make clear: "It defends American supremacy on
moral grounds."
[]
For the moment, the United States is still not finished bringing
democracy to Iraq.

Since the indomitable Helen Thomas began this piece with her question
for the Bush
administration, it seems fitting that she close it with another query
on the war.

"How do you bomb people back to democracy?" she asked Fleischer in the
opening days of the Pentagon's Shock and Awe campaign against the Iraqi
regime.

That time, she got no answer.

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RBB

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Apr 14, 2003, 6:29:38 PM4/14/03
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"Ether St. Vying" <watc...@unwatchable.eh> wrote in message
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> At this point I think the bush league is a bigger threat to the world
> than their so called enemies who are their best friends when they can
> use them for their own ends.
>
> Ether

There will be more war.
Unless of course we have a divine intervention.

RBB


Bill Cleere

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Apr 15, 2003, 12:35:22 AM4/15/03
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"Ether St. Vying" <watc...@unwatchable.eh> wrote in message
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> Read it and weep. According to a poll by the LA Times:
>
> "Seven out of 10 Americans, according to the poll, think the U.S. has
> the "moral authority" to attack Iraq and 60 per cent say the world is
> being made a better place by the U.S. military."

Americans love war.


Terry Firma

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Apr 15, 2003, 3:18:48 AM4/15/03
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> "Seven out of 10 Americans, according to the poll, think the U.S. has
> the "moral authority" to attack Iraq and 60 per cent say the world is
> being made a better place by the U.S. military."
>
> And this is Lala land! Can you imagine what they believe in the boonies.

And you don't think the world will be better off without that disgusting
Saddam regime?


Ether St. Vying

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Apr 17, 2003, 5:37:53 AM4/17/03
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RBB wrote:

> "Ether St. Vying" <watc...@unwatchable.eh> wrote in message
> news:3E99EB2A...@unwatchable.eh...
>
> > At this point I think the bush league is a bigger threat to the world
> > than their so called enemies who are their best friends when they can
> > use them for their own ends.
> >
> > Ether
>
> There will be more war.

The whoring continues

>
> Unless of course we have a divine intervention.
>
> RBB

The cradle fell in Baghdad

Has the bank broken?

Not if we're moving back in time.


Jose

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Apr 17, 2003, 3:36:56 PM4/17/03
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In article <GnOma.4155$8g5....@news2.e.nsc.no>,
terry...@jeg.er.online.no says...
No. There are many Saddams. We can make more.


Jose

Virtual Vin

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Apr 17, 2003, 11:14:46 PM4/17/03
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"Jose"

> No. There are many Saddams. We can make more.


Would you?
We're fresh out. I wonder if some nice, new Saddam could rise to power
as quickly, given the current political climate? I could really go for a guy
with a big black mustache and a general's uniform.

Crunch all you want,
we'll make more!
v!


Jose

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Apr 18, 2003, 2:58:33 PM4/18/03
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In article <G4Kna.35315$U34....@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>, NoS...@nopam.com
says...
Middle eastern is popular right now, but we have some oriental and latin
americans in stock cheap. No waiting.

Jose

Bill Cleere

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Apr 18, 2003, 11:00:12 PM4/18/03
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"Jose" <wh...@aol.com> wrote in message
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I suspect we've got some on ice right now. I predict the next one
who escapes from our lab will be a little mustache rather than a
big one. Saddam overtly emulated Stalin; the next one will have
more of Hitler in him.

-- Bill Cleere

Bill Cleere

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Apr 18, 2003, 11:08:39 PM4/18/03
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"Jose" <wh...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Now don't be trying to peddle last year's model on us. This year
all the rage, mark my words, will be Vladimir Putin.....understated, wears
nice suits, seems reasonable at times, clearly not maniacal.

-- Bill Cleere


Virtual Vin

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Apr 19, 2003, 1:39:26 AM4/19/03
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"Bill Cleere"

> I suspect we've got some on ice right now. I predict the next one
> who escapes from our lab will be a little mustache rather than a
> big one. Saddam overtly emulated Stalin; the next one will have
> more of Hitler in him.

Does he look good in black?

I'd like to know if I could order one in a fine wool Gabberdeen,
and have him delivered in time for elections?


v!


Bill Cleere

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Apr 22, 2003, 10:18:29 PM4/22/03
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"Virtual Vin" <NoS...@nopam.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Bill Cleere"
> > I suspect we've got some on ice right now. I predict the next one
> > who escapes from our lab will be a little mustache rather than a
> > big one. Saddam overtly emulated Stalin; the next one will have
> > more of Hitler in him.
>
>
>
> Does he look good in black?

With a lot of silver highlights, yes.

Kind of a William Dudley Pelley look. It's a deliberate move
away from the Ashcroft dark suit and American flag tie, which
is giving Fascist Fashion Design a *really* bad name.

> I'd like to know if I could order one in a fine wool Gabberdeen,
> and have him delivered in time for elections?
>
>
> v!

Sure. Just send us a PO with the date on which our Occupation Forces
have scheduled "Free Elections" in your land, and we'll overnight you
the Dictator model of your choice.

-- Bill Cleere


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