No austerity would be needed if the corporates paid their fair share of tax.

[u2fan]

How do the corporates justify not paying tax like the little man? Very
simply they justify to themselves since they are mass employers they
don't need to pay tax since they are employing people.

What happens is those poor workers pay tax but the corporate doesn't.
The corporate hires well paid lawyers and tax advisers to avoid paying
tax by manipulating the law by having multinational bases.

One way around is a global tax run by a global new world order, a fixed
tax of 33% on everything everywhere including fake non-profits. Everyone
know's non-profits are corrupt cults like TBN and other religious scams
are highly profitable stealing millions of people who are lied to all
the time about fake miracles and fake prosperity.

A global tax on everything no exceptions, punishable by execution.
Apples top dog first on the electric chair.

There is a culture of greed, naturally the most greedy and wicked rise
to power because they are greedy and selfish, Apple's top dog is a
worshiper of Lucifer and exploits everything he can to selfishly build
his cultic empire of apple. Apple products are made by people who are
paid next to nothing sold at massive profit then the profit kept, it is
a cult of pure greed. They take to court any competition and steal
billions of other companies, where does all that money go.

Apple

Pay the workers next to nothing
Massive profits
No tax paid
Steal billions off the competition to destroy competition

= pure cult of selfish greed

If Apple ruled the world it would be a dictatorship making Mugabe look
like a nice guy. Apple is Satanic.

They have exploited tax laws. That is unethical, but the whole of Apple
is unethical, Steve Jobs was a control freak not opening up source code
and even now Apple the control freaks they are won't let developers
develop as say Android do.

Apple is a control freak greedy cult like organization that must be
stopped and shut down. The laws must be changed and they must be fined
billions to bring back equality.

There is a selfish survivalist culture in many things, in corporates and
cults and even politics, this is caused by globalization and the fact
all the evil illegal aliens won't integrate with society.

Wicked selfish greed is seen most clearly in the satanic organization
called the EU, billions go in to it and nothing comes out.

If tax was paid fairly then new jobs could be created and competition
could be started. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer under
current laws. If the laws aren't changed then it will be civil war and
the top dogs will be hunted down executed and tortured.

[u2fan]

[Joe]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:18:35 +0100
u2fan <u2...@u2fan.u2fan> wrote:

> How do the corporates justify not paying tax like the little man?

In which jurisdiction do you live? The shareholders (owners) of
companies in my country do pay a great deal of tax in addition to any
corporation tax.

> Very simply they justify to themselves since they are mass employers
> they don't need to pay tax since they are employing people.
>

In my country, employers pay 40-50% tax on employees' salaries. Does
this not happen where you are?

Employers who actually have premises in which to employ people pay
business rates. Does this not happen where you are?

Employers who use energy pay energy taxes. Does this not happen where
you are?

After their operational expenses, salaries and taxation, some employers
do not have much money left with which to pay dividends to their
shareholders. Therefore they pay little corporation tax, which is due
only on dividends and profit retained by the company. Does this not
happen where you are?

I don't expect journalists to know what corporation tax is. I do expect
Gordon Brown and Ed Miliband to know, and clearly they don't. Do you?
Do you know the difference between turnover, gross profit and net
profit? Do you know on which of these that corporation tax is levied?
Do you know that in my country, most commodities are subject to a
turnover tax, a proportion of which is paid to the European Union?

Here's the only important question: do you know who pays *all* taxes?
And I've already given you a clue by pointing out that companies are
abstract concepts, existing only for administrative convenience, and
having no real existence. If you think otherwise, tell me when you last
saw a company. Was it riding a bicycle, perhaps, or driving a car, or
smoking a cigarette? Further clue: a building is not a company, it is
the property of some humans.

--
Joe

[DVH]

On 22/05/2013 22:49, Joe wrote:
> On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:18:35 +0100
> u2fan <u2...@u2fan.u2fan> wrote:
>
>> How do the corporates justify not paying tax like the little man?
>
> In which jurisdiction do you live? The shareholders (owners) of
> companies in my country do pay a great deal of tax in addition to any
> corporation tax.

However, an SME paying 23% or 21% tax is at a disadvantage vis-a-vis
somebody paying 1%.

Does the consumer suffer or benefit as a result?

Why should it not tend to lead to monopoly and its attendant harm?

[Joe]

On Thu, 23 May 2013 07:48:25 +0100
DVH <d...@vhvhvhvh.com> wrote:

> On 22/05/2013 22:49, Joe wrote:
> > On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:18:35 +0100
> > u2fan <u2...@u2fan.u2fan> wrote:
> >
> >> How do the corporates justify not paying tax like the little man?
> >
> > In which jurisdiction do you live? The shareholders (owners) of
> > companies in my country do pay a great deal of tax in addition to
> > any corporation tax.
>
> However, an SME paying 23% or 21% tax is at a disadvantage vis-a-vis
> somebody paying 1%.
>
> Does the consumer suffer or benefit as a result?

Neither. You are implying that a company paying 1% can charge less than
one paying 21%, that the 21% is a fixed charge. The small business can
also pay 1%, if it reduces its prices to the level where there is
little money left for dividends, where all the gross profit is paid in
salary. Corporation tax is a voluntary tax: take no dividends, and you
pay no CT.

>
> Why should it not tend to lead to monopoly and its attendant harm?

There's no real connection, see above. There are many other economies
of scale that allow larger businesses to increase market share. There
are also disadvantages of scale, the larger the organisation, the less
inclined any individual is to work hard, and the higher proportion of
non-productive staff there will be. In really large businesses, this is
offset by a willingness of governments to provide subsidies.

I have in the past proposed replacing CT with a tax on market share,
building an overall negative feedback system around what is currently a
positive feedback system.

--
Joe

[abelard]

that reads to me as:-

the more people like a product...the more the company should
be penalised

[u2fan]

google UK uncut