York Stealth Heat Pump
polaris
I was wondering if anyone has any first hand experience with the York
Stealth heat pump with the Bristol Twin-Single compressor, either as a
homeowner or contractor. I have heard conflicting opinions on this unit and
was wondering what it was like to install it, and how well it operates after
installation. Your info is greatly appreciated as I am getting ready to
make a decision on purchasing. Please reply to techwor...@yahoo.com.
Thanks again!!
Dr. Hardcrab
"polaris" <som...@somewhere.com> wrote
Pressure on the fire....applied himself well.....these are the things I want
to see in the young MD.
I wouldn't want to be his first surgery....
CBHvac
"Dr. Hardcrab" <drhar...@hotmail.spamcom> wrote in message
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I am just curious....and being serious..if this is the same guy that was
asking about a month ago about them .I had an email from someone a while
back, worded almost the same....stated that HE would NOT be the INSTALLER,
but was going to do some of the work...
If its the same guy, I stand by the last comment I made...
And of course, if this is a different person...I have to wonder, what York
dealer or supplier is stupid enough to be selling those higher end units to
a homeowner direct...hell..we cant buy them unless we bought the diagnostic
computer too....oh well..
(yes, I have one...LOL)
Dr. Hardcrab
"CBHvac" <webm...@removethis.carolinabreezehvac.com> wrote
> And of course, if this is a different person...I have to wonder, what York
> dealer or supplier is stupid enough to be selling those higher end units
to
> a homeowner direct...hell..we cant buy them unless we bought the
diagnostic
> computer too....oh well..
> (yes, I have one...LOL)
I was going to respond with "Why in the HELL would you want a York?!! They
aren't worth sh*T!!!!!"
;-]
profft
"Dr. Hardcrab" <drhar...@hotmail.spamcom> wrote in message
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Tom Pendergast
> "polaris" <som...@somewhere.com> wrote
>> I was wondering if anyone has any first hand experience with the York
>> Stealth heat pump ... Thanks again!!
> Pressure on the fire....applied himself well.....these are the things
> I want to see in the young MD.
> I wouldn't want to be his first surgery....
There you go.. It took all of 12 minutes for the first of the
local assholes to check in with absolutely nothing to contribute.
Next we'll be hearing from Turtle (who got hit in the head with
way too many trees), a bunch of guys with stupid handles that
somehow involve their initials (they'll all tell you to RUN AWAY,
GET OUT OF HERE, YOU MIGHT BLOW YOURSELF UP!!!) and if you're
really lucky you'll hear from Oscar_lives, the resident sex
offender, who shares his fantasies about somebody raping his
4-year old son with the newsgroup.
Same old cast of losers, just a different day!
TP
--
"Obstacles are what you see when
you take your eyes off of your goal"
- Vince Lombardi
CBHvac
e-mails...
So, whos the clueless wonder now? HUMMMMMMMM?
Tom...you are a waste of air....if it was legal, I would love to run a
micron test on you...
Since its not, one can only dream.
Other than that Tommy, can you tell us WHY its so important to have the
diagnostic computer, or can you tell us how to troubleshoot a YorkStar
board??????????
Come on electrical wonder with nothing to add, add something, or shut up.
"Tom Pendergast" <t...@icubed.com> wrote in message
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Tom Pendergast
<work of top-posting moron fixed for your reading ease.>
> "Tom Pendergast" <t...@icubed.com> wrote...
>> >> I was wondering if anyone has any first hand experience with the
>> >> York Stealth heat pump ... Thanks again!!
>> > Pressure on the fire....applied himself well.....these are the
>> > things I want to see in the young MD.
>> > I wouldn't want to be his first surgery....
>> There you go.. It took all of 12 minutes for the first of the
>> local assholes to check in with absolutely nothing to contribute.
>> Next we'll be hearing from Turtle (who got hit in the head with
>> way too many trees), a bunch of guys with stupid handles that
>> somehow involve their initials (they'll all tell you to RUN AWAY,
>> GET OUT OF HERE, YOU MIGHT BLOW YOURSELF UP!!!) and if you're
>> really lucky you'll hear from Oscar_lives, the resident sex
>> offender, who shares his fantasies about somebody raping his
>> 4-year old son with the newsgroup.
> Well there you go, Tom P, jumping in and not knowing about the
> 4 page long e-mails...
You're slipping! You forgot to call me "Tommy" or "Toilet Paper".
And I can only guess this "e-mails" thing is some other attack on
me that comes from a fantasy of yours, so go right ahead and spew
it out with the rest of the lies. Like water off of a duck's ass,
that's how much it impresses me.
> So, whos the clueless wonder now? HUMMMMMMMM?
Uhhhh, you and a few other people on this newsgroup?!
> Tom...you are a waste of air....if it was legal, I would love to
> run a micron test on you...
> Since its not, one can only dream.
You and your sexual predator fantasizing pals seem to do a lot
of that in your spare time. Don't let me stop you now.
> Other than that Tommy, can you tell us WHY its so important to have
> the diagnostic computer, or can you tell us how to troubleshoot a
> YorkStar board??????????
Never said I could, loser. But I know more about how a 240VAC
circuit works than about 4 of your lunkhead pals all rolled into
one.
> Come on electrical wonder with nothing to add, add something, or
> shut up.
Go pound your chest for somebody that gives a shit, loser.
>> Same old cast of losers, just a different day!
And that was one of 'em!!!
kjpro
kjpro
"profft" <f.tayl...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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profft
Opto-rectalitus and he's determined to pass it along to whomever he can.
"CBHvac" <webm...@removethis.carolinabreezehvac.com> wrote in message
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ftwhd
wrote:
>What did you expect, he's an asshole? He has a near terminal case of
>Opto-rectalitus and he's determined to pass it along to whomever he can.
>
I'm still waiting for him to pick a place so I can take him up on the
invite.
Mike
CBHvac
> What did you expect, he's an asshole? He has a near terminal case of
> Opto-rectalitus and he's determined to pass it along to whomever he can.
One day, someones gonna pass it on to him...damn shame he cant read, or else
he would understand why we really dont give two shits about him...or what he
thinks.
How did you like that comment about his sexual fantasy involving micron
tests? I about pissed laughing at his stupidity...anyway he can get his
jollies I guess..
Course, at the rate hes going, who needs a vac pump? Rent Tom out for a
week..
CBHvac
:)
"kjpro" <kjn...@starband.com> wrote in message
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kjpro
That's why I asked what's wrong??
kjpro
"CBHvac" <webm...@removethis.carolinabreezehvac.com> wrote in message
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kjpro
"ftwhd" <ft...@fuckoffspammers.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 15 Apr 2003 23:20:17 GMT, "profft" <f.tayl...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> >What did you expect, he's an asshole? He has a near terminal case of
> >Opto-rectalitus and he's determined to pass it along to whomever he can.
> >
>
> I'm still waiting for him to pick a place so I can take him up on the
> invite.
>
> Mike
It aint going to happen..............
He wont go to CB's for the repair exam, either.
kjpro
CBHvac
Long as it does not say Tempstar on it, its fine...:)
"kjpro" <kjn...@starband.com> wrote in message
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CBHvac
Nope, and I have JUST the area for it too....down at the beach....got a new
customer that is willing to wait for me to get there, and get this..IF its
late, and I dont want to drive back, can stay at my choice of
places...LOL...gotta love those guys that have rental properties all over,
and own a hotel or two...
Have old Tommy troubleshoot a PTAC or two...that should be real
fun....ok..heres your three drivers...a 1/4, a phillips and a 5/16's....a
meter....thats all you need...now..why wont this bitch run...hurry up..you
only got 4 more to diagnose, get parts for, and fix....TODAY..
DROP THE PVC....you cant use that on this one....
>
>
>
kjpro
LOL
kjpro
p.s. I'm lightening up.............I been losing weight! LOL
"CBHvac" <webm...@removethis.carolinabreezehvac.com> wrote in message
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Tekkie
webm...@removethis.carolinabreezehvac.com says...
>
> "profft" <f.tayl...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:Rs0na.22247$Zx....@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> > What did you expect, he's an asshole? He has a near terminal case of
> > Opto-rectalitus and he's determined to pass it along to whomever he can.
>
> One day, someones gonna pass it on to him...damn shame he cant read, or else
> he would understand why we really dont give two shits about him...or what he
> thinks.
>
> How did you like that comment about his sexual fantasy involving micron
> tests? I about pissed laughing at his stupidity...anyway he can get his
> jollies I guess..
> Course, at the rate hes going, who needs a vac pump? Rent Tom out for a
> week..
>
--
Tekkie
Dr. Hardcrab
"CBHvac" <webm...@removethis.carolinabreezehvac.com> wrote
> Lighten up man.....:)
>
> Long as it does not say Tempstar on it, its fine...:)
I tell you what: I have run across some 20 year old Tempstar units that are
still going strong. I would never install one, but I can't knock 'em.
I love the Heil /Quaker units you run into that have no brand markings on
them whatsoever. Like they are TRYING to hide who they are/were.....
HVACMAN
"CBHvac" <webm...@removethis.carolinabreezehvac.com> wrote in message
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> Have old Tommy troubleshoot a PTAC or two...that should be real
> fun....ok..heres your three drivers...a 1/4, a phillips and a 5/16's....a
> meter....thats all you need...now..why wont this bitch run...hurry up..you
> only got 4 more to diagnose, get parts for, and fix....TODAY..
> DROP THE PVC....you cant use that on this one....
LMFAO!
kjpro
"HVACMAN" <hva...@mn.rr.com> wrote in message
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Ditto......
kjpro
"Tekkie" <Tek...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Yes, but I personally don't know of any equipment that will hold up to that
suction.
kjpro
TURTLE
> On 15 Apr 2003, CBHvac wrote:
> <work of top-posting moron fixed for your reading ease.>
>
> circuit works than about 4 of your lunkhead pals all rolled into
> one.
>
This is Turtle.
Tom you being a Electrical wizard and all. I have this electrical problem
with a 3 ton condenser unit with a 40 amp breaker and box on outside in the
240 supply line and I would like you to tell me what is the problem. The
problem is the condenser will not run at all. I have checked all the unit
parts and all condenser parts show good to go. i have even took the
condenser a loose and installed it on another system at the job and it run
like a charm , so the problem must lie else where and the condenser is good
to go. I reinstalled the condenser back to where it goes and still will not
do nothing. I'm kind of slow and all being hit in the head and all as you
pointed out above. I need a expert like yourself to pick it up here for me.
Now here is some test results that i took to tell of the problem and you
being a Electric Wizard and all would know right off what the problem is. I
installed the unit back where it goes and turn the unit on at the thermostat
and the 24 volt power came out and closed the double pole contactor and
nothing happen. I took my volt meter out and started taking reading at
different points to get the readings. I checked at the breaker outside at
breaker box and found this. I have 245 vac across the top of the breaker
where power comes in to the breaker. I read below the breaker where power
comes off the break to the condenser unit and read 245 vac. I went to the
condenser contactors and read across the wires coming into the 240 vac
service connections. I read 2 vac but it could be my meter for showing such
low volts. I check the meter other places and it was good. I read from each
teminal to ground and got 124 vac on each side to ground. I have went and
got a real pro hvac man to come tell me what the problem is and me being
knocked in the head washed up hvac tech , but if you can tell me what it is
I can save me about $100.00 sevice call. Tom i have been told that with this
info a good electrician can tell me right off what the problem is. You being
a electrican with the knownledge of 4 pro of this group. you would be rated
as a super expert to call this problem right off.
Tom i need to know what the answer is right now for the electrician is
coming over this evening which will cost me $100.00. I need you to tell me
right off what the problem is and i hope you don't have to do any research
or call other electricians to get the answer. i know you will be posting
right back with the answer real soon.
To all the other know nothing hvac tech on this newsgroup , I real don't
want to hear any of your guesses and mess Tom's line of thought up. All you
hvac know nothing tech here keep your mouth shut and let Tom the Super
professional Pro electrician call this problem.
Tom i need you to come through on this answer for me right now.
Waiting here with all ears.
TURTLE
Tom Pendergast
It this the best you got, oh Wizard of HVAC?...
On 20 Apr 2003, TURTLE wrote: (snipping to the chase)
> ... I took my volt meter out and
> started taking reading at different points to get the readings. I
> checked at the breaker outside at breaker box and found this. I have
> 245 vac across the top of the breaker where power comes in to the
> breaker. I read below the breaker where power comes off the break to
> the condenser unit and read 245 vac.
OK, good start, you made it past the disconnect switch (that's more
than a couple of your fellow Wizards are likely to do!)
> I went to the condenser
> contactors and read across the wires coming into the 240 vac service
> connections. I read 2 vac but it could be my meter for showing such
> low volts.
It's "leakage" or inductive coupling action, but you alread knew
that, (WATCH OUT FOR THAT TREE!) right?
> I check the meter other places and it was good.
Not needed, but hey, I'm sure the little voices inside your head
told you to.
> I read from
> each teminal to ground and got 124 vac on each side to ground.
That's good. Here, have a cookie. ($1 Don Rickles)
> I have
> went and got a real pro hvac man to come tell me what the problem is
> and me being knocked in the head washed up hvac tech , but if you can
> tell me what it is I can save me about $100.00 sevice call. Tom i have
> been told that with this info a good electrician can tell me right off
> what the problem is. You being a electrican with the knownledge of 4
> pro of this group. you would be rated as a super expert to call this
> problem right off.
>
> Tom i need to know what the answer is right now for the electrician is
> coming over this evening which will cost me $100.00. I need you to
> tell me right off what the problem is and i hope you don't have to do
> any research or call other electricians to get the answer. i know you
> will be posting right back with the answer real soon.
>
> To all the other know nothing hvac tech on this newsgroup , I real
> don't want to hear any of your guesses and mess Tom's line of thought
> up. All you hvac know nothing tech here keep your mouth shut and let
> Tom the Super professional Pro electrician call this problem.
>
> Tom i need you to come through on this answer for me right now.
>
> Waiting here with all ears.
(sigh) OK, dickhead, here ya go:
1st off, you have two problems. One from your stupidity, the
other could also be from that, or maybe it's 'cause you reuse
old scrap pieces of wire (so you can save enough to buy a pack
of hot dogs to add to your macaroni and cheese lunches???)
If all is wired correctly, here's what the whole thing should
look like:
O-R-------------------------R-()-X-----| ........
disconnect 120 | 2
box O-W-------------------------W-()-Y-----| compressor 4
load 120 | 0
side O-B-------------------------B-()-Z-----| ........
But being the incompetent (and possibly cheapskate) dimwit that
you is, you pooched a 3 ft piece of 10-3. Big time. You know
the old saying about "you could fuck up a 1 car funeral"? Well,
you crossed two wires and did it like this:
O-R-------------------------R-()-------|
dconct 240 |
box O-N-\ /---------------------B-()-------| cmprsr
X 120 |
O-B-/ \---------------------W-()-------|
...and to make matters worse, you either have an open White wire
(reusing that old scrap stuff so can save enough to buy a pack of
hot dogs to add...) *OR* you had a little delayed reaction from
getting hit in the head so many times, and maybe you used the White
as neuteral on one end and connected the bare copper as "neuteral"
on the other end??? But in any case, that Neuteral wire is open...
O-R-------------------------R-()-X-----| ......
dconct 240 |
box O-N-\ /---------------------B-()-Y-----| cmprsr
X 0 | 0
O-B-/ \----* *-----------?-()-Z-----| ......
Net results:
1) Your compressor is seeing 0VAC (X-Z) So it won't work, but it
*is* providing a circuit path for the 120 VAC. In other words
you have the exact same 120VAC at Z that you have at X.
2) Since the 120VAC that you're seeing at X is the same 120VAC
that you're seeing at Z, you would see no 240VAC there, as you
would expect if it were (sigh) wired right. You would (as you
have already measured) see a small amount of leakage there.
I propose it would be more like a couple hundred millivolts,
but 2V is not out of the question. What's a volt and a half
between friends, right?
3) And, Since the 120VAC that you're seeing at X is the same
120VAC that you're seeing at Z (thanks to you, oh Wizard),
then you would indeed be able to measure that same 120VAC
from either point (X or Z) to ground.
Come ack bwhen you have something tough. And WATCH OUT FOR
THAT TREE. Dickhead.
REL
after all that pecking on the keyboard the only thing you have done is
prove ou do not understand electricity either!
the other rich
CBHvac
the compressor was causin a short cycle, even tho it was not on the
compressor head, and was loose..funny how those bi-metal temp switches can
fool even a wanna be EE.
"REL" <rl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Tom Pendergast
> LMGDAO
>
> after all that pecking on the keyboard the only thing you have done is
> prove ou do not understand electricity either!
You're like a little 3rd grader who rides the short bus to school.
All you can do is stand there and babble. This is the part where
I say "OK, tell me where I'm wrong" and you say "Ohhhh, I don't
know, I don't know anything actually, I was just messin' with
you!" and then you run and hide until it's time for your nap.
I think your days of individual attention are drawing to a close,
master rich. From now on I shall just read your stuff and jump
in when you say something moronic. See ya down the road, little
richie.
kjpro
in the first place!
kjpro
p.s. He wants to be like Mike*(CB)*!
"CBHvac" <webm...@removethis.carolinabreezehvac.com> wrote in message
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kjpro
> > I read from
> > each teminal to ground and got 124 vac on each side to ground.
>
> That's good. Here, have a cookie. ($1 Don Rickles)
>
>
> 1st off, you have two problems. One from your stupidity, the
> other could also be from that, or maybe it's 'cause you reuse
> old scrap pieces of wire (so you can save enough to buy a pack
> of hot dogs to add to your macaroni and cheese lunches???)
> If all is wired correctly, here's what the whole thing should
> look like:
>
> O-R-------------------------R-()-X-----| ........
> disconnect 120 | 2
> box O-W-------------------------W-()-Y-----| compressor 4
> load 120 | 0
> side O-B-------------------------B-()-Z-----| ........
>
> But being the incompetent (and possibly cheapskate) dimwit that
> you is, you pooched a 3 ft piece of 10-3.
10-3 for a 40 Amp circuit????? Are you stupid???
> Big time. You know
> the old saying about "you could fuck up a 1 car funeral"? Well,
> you crossed two wires and did it like this:
You think he would hook it up wrong??? He went to the touble to move it but,
didn't check the wiring???
I would say he missed something, but it was hooked up right!
> O-R-------------------------R-()-------|
> dconct 240 |
> box O-N-\ /---------------------B-()-------| cmprsr
> X 120 |
> O-B-/ \---------------------W-()-------|
So, in this case ground is hot! And the hot(R) to ground would be 240v, with
the other hot(W) to ground would be 120v. And the case would be hot!!
Think by now you can stop! Tripping the breaker..........I think
so........and then no voltage present!
By the way......if you do diagrams in the future keep your symbols the
same!! (Somehow N became W) MORON!!
> ...and to make matters worse, you either have an open White wire
> (reusing that old scrap stuff so can save enough to buy a pack of
> hot dogs to add...) *OR* you had a little delayed reaction from
> getting hit in the head so many times, and maybe you used the White
> as neuteral on one end and connected the bare copper as "neuteral"
> on the other end??? But in any case, that Neuteral wire is open...
>
> O-R-------------------------R-()-X-----| ......
> dconct 240 |
> box O-N-\ /---------------------B-()-Y-----| cmprsr
> X 0 | 0
> O-B-/ \----* *-----------?-()-Z-----| ......
You'd better go back and re-think your results! Ground is HOT!...........and
would be tripping breaker!
You say "hot on one side of contactor, the other side of contactor is
ground"?????...............This would definately be tripping the breaker!
> Net results:
>
> 1) Your compressor is seeing 0VAC (X-Z) So it won't work, but it
> *is* providing a circuit path for the 120 VAC. In other words
> you have the exact same 120VAC at Z that you have at X.
>
> 2) Since the 120VAC that you're seeing at X is the same 120VAC
> that you're seeing at Z, you would see no 240VAC there, as you
> would expect if it were (sigh) wired right. You would (as you
> have already measured) see a small amount of leakage there.
> I propose it would be more like a couple hundred millivolts,
> but 2V is not out of the question. What's a volt and a half
> between friends, right?
>
> 3) And, Since the 120VAC that you're seeing at X is the same
> 120VAC that you're seeing at Z (thanks to you, oh Wizard),
> then you would indeed be able to measure that same 120VAC
> from either point (X or Z) to ground.
>
>
> Come ack bwhen you have something tough. And WATCH OUT FOR
> THAT TREE. Dickhead.
>
>
> TP
Net results in "YOU LOOKING LIKE AN IDIOT"
kjpro
p.s. And you thought this was easy! I know the answer, but I'm not letting
you know! Figure it out you so called GENIUS!
p.s.s. By the way "*You didn't pass*"!
Tom Pendergast
> "Tom Pendergast" <t...@icubed.com> wrote...
>> > I read from
>> > each teminal to ground and got 124 vac on each side to ground.
>>
>> That's good. Here, have a cookie. ($1 Don Rickles)
>>
> > (sigh) OK, dickhead, here ya go:
>>
>> 1st off, you have two problems. One from your stupidity, the
>> other could also be from that, or maybe it's 'cause you reuse
>> old scrap pieces of wire (so you can save enough to buy a pack
>> of hot dogs to add to your macaroni and cheese lunches???)
>> If all is wired correctly, here's what the whole thing should
>> look like:
>>
>> O-R-------------------------R-()-X-----| ........
>> disconnect 120 | 2
>> box O-W-------------------------W-()-Y-----| compressor 4
>> load 120 | 0
>> side O-B-------------------------B-()-Z-----| ........
>>
>> But being the incompetent (and possibly cheapskate) dimwit that
>> you is, you pooched a 3 ft piece of 10-3.
>
> 10-3 for a 40 Amp circuit????? Are you stupid???
Oh, eat me, asswipe. So I overlooked that it was a 40 amp
circuit, not a 30. Big fucking deal, loser.
And you -are- a loser, in case you doubted that for a second.
>> Big time. You know
>> the old saying about "you could fuck up a 1 car funeral"? Well,
>> you crossed two wires and did it like this:
>
> You think he would hook it up wrong??? He went to the touble to move
> it but, didn't check the wiring???
> I would say he missed something, but it was hooked up right!
Whatever you say, loser.
>> O-R-------------------------R-()-------|
>> dconct 240 |
>> box O-N-\ /---------------------B-()-------| cmprsr
>> X 120 |
>> O-B-/ \---------------------W-()-------|
>
> So, in this case ground is hot! And the hot(R) to ground would be
> 240v, with the other hot(W) to ground would be 120v. And the case
> would be hot!! Think by now you can stop! Tripping the
> breaker..........I think so........and then no voltage present!
Nope, never said that, loser. You're nit picking an "in progress"
drawing, but you already knew that, right loser?
> By the way......if you do diagrams in the future keep your symbols the
> same!! (Somehow N became W) MORON!!
Well duh. Neuteral=White. Sorry to make you strain your
pea brain.
>> ...and to make matters worse, you either have an open White wire
>> (reusing that old scrap stuff so can save enough to buy a pack of
>> hot dogs to add...) *OR* you had a little delayed reaction from
>> getting hit in the head so many times, and maybe you used the
>> White as neuteral on one end and connected the bare copper as
>> "neuteral" on the other end??? But in any case, that Neuteral
>> wire is open...
>>
>> O-R-------------------------R-()-X-----| ......
>> dconct 240 |
>> box O-N-\ /---------------------B-()-Y-----| cmprsr
>> X 0 | 0
>> O-B-/ \----* *-----------?-()-Z-----| ......
>
> You'd better go back and re-think your results! Ground is
> HOT!...........and would be tripping breaker!
> You say "hot on one side of contactor, the other side of contactor is
> ground"?????...............This would definately be tripping the
> breaker!
There's no guarantee that the Y terminal would be at ground
potential, loser. In fact, there's no guarnatee it would be
connected to anything. Keep trying, you'll need to do better.
Loser.
ftwhd
At first I thought he was drawing (if you can call that piece of
garbage a drawing) a 3 phase circuit while attempting to describe a
single phase one. Then I had to dumb down a notch, well quite a few
notches actually and get to his level so I could decipher that crap he
posted.
But if we call B as L1, N as ground, and R as L2, and assume he's
talking about 240v single phase, I'd love to know why he thinks he has
240v on L1 to ground.
Then I'd like to know where the dumbass thinks you hook a ground to
the compressor at. Would the answer be terminals C S or R or T1 T2 or
T3? LOL
Oh well, ol Tommy has obviously taken too much voltage at sometime in
his past. Possibly electro shock therapy as part of his probation?
Tommy boy, stay away from electricity it will hurt you when you don't
know WTF you are doing. Now drop the screw driver and slowly back
away from the breaker panel, I don't want to see anything bad happen
to you because you are providing a wealth of entertainment here.
You're the dumbest err I mean funniest troll we've had here for
sometime. A few most stupid posts from you and I'm going to nominate
you for some kind of dumb ass award.
I hope your family never sees the crap you write because they would
laugh you out of the trailer. Assuming they didn't inherit the
defective brain cells you seem to have.
Mike
snip the rest of the TP drivel. Commonly known as diarrhea.
Bill
<t...@icubed.com> wrote:
snip
> Oh, eat me, asswipe. So I overlooked that it was a 40 amp
> circuit, not a 30. Big fucking deal, loser.
>
> And you -are- a loser, in case you doubted that for a second.
>
> Whatever you say, loser.
snip
> Nope, never said that, loser. You're nit picking an "in progress"
> drawing, but you already knew that, right loser?
>
> Well duh. Neuteral=White. Sorry to make you strain your
> pea brain.
>
>
> There's no guarantee that the Y terminal would be at ground
> potential, loser. In fact, there's no guarnatee it would be
> connected to anything. Keep trying, you'll need to do better.
>
> Loser.
>
>
> TP
This is the sum of your last post TP.
Even DIYer's know better.
How's it feel to be SHOCKED by turtle?
AWEsome! eh?
Too funny. : )
Good one turtle!
Oscar_lives
> On 20 Apr 2003, REL wrote:
>
> > LMGDAO
> >
> > after all that pecking on the keyboard the only thing you have done is
> > prove ou do not understand electricity either!
>
> You're like a little 3rd grader who rides the short bus to school.
> All you can do is stand there and babble. This is the part where
> I say "OK, tell me where I'm wrong" and you say "Ohhhh, I don't
> know, I don't know anything actually, I was just messin' with
> you!" and then you run and hide until it's time for your nap.
>
> I think your days of individual attention are drawing to a close,
> master rich. From now on I shall just read your stuff and jump
> in when you say something moronic. See ya down the road, little
> richie.
Watch out, Rich. He said you were like a 3rd grader. That means he wants
to get into your pants!!!
Oscar_lives
> >> you is, you pooched a 3 ft piece of 10-3.
> >
> > 10-3 for a 40 Amp circuit????? Are you stupid???
>
> Oh, eat me, asswipe. So I overlooked that it was a 40 amp
> circuit, not a 30. Big fucking deal, loser.
Yeah, its a big deal when the house burns down! I thought you were an
Electrical Expert.
10/3 is just as bad as your PVC vent on your water heater.
Idiot.
> > same!! (Somehow N became W) MORON!!
>
> Well duh. Neuteral=White. Sorry to make you strain your
> pea brain.
>
> There's no guarantee that the Y terminal would be at ground
> potential, loser. In fact, there's no guarnatee it would be
> connected to anything. Keep trying, you'll need to do better.
>
> Loser.
>
>
> TP
You better call up your Virgin Islands degree school and get your money
back...
Oscar_lives
Tommy got shocked one night from hooking his vibrating little-boy butt plug
up to the 240V line.
ftwhd
>>>
>>> But being the incompetent (and possibly cheapskate) dimwit that
>>> you is, you pooched a 3 ft piece of 10-3.
10-3? here you go with 3 phase wiring again. Wake up you clueless
twit, Turtle is talking about single phase which would be 10-2 with a
ground. Even the 6 buck an hour guy at Lowes knows that. Well with
the exception of you that is.
>>
>> 10-3 for a 40 Amp circuit????? Are you stupid???
>
You know he is...
> Oh, eat me, asswipe. So I overlooked that it was a 40 amp
> circuit, not a 30. Big fucking deal, loser.
>
Overlooked my ass, you plain don't know what it should be.
> And you -are- a loser, in case you doubted that for a second.
>
>>> Big time. You know
>>> the old saying about "you could fuck up a 1 car funeral"? Well,
>>> you crossed two wires and did it like this:
>>
>> You think he would hook it up wrong??? He went to the touble to move
>> it but, didn't check the wiring???
>> I would say he missed something, but it was hooked up right!
>
> Whatever you say, loser.
>
>>> O-R-------------------------R-()-------|
>>> dconct 240 |
>>> box O-N-\ /---------------------B-()-------| cmprsr
>>> X 120 |
>>> O-B-/ \---------------------W-()-------|
>>
>> So, in this case ground is hot! And the hot(R) to ground would be
>> 240v, with the other hot(W) to ground would be 120v. And the case
>> would be hot!! Think by now you can stop! Tripping the
>> breaker..........I think so........and then no voltage present!
>
> Nope, never said that, loser. You're nit picking an "in progress"
> drawing, but you already knew that, right loser?
>
An "in progress diagram" LMAO! Its in progress alright. To bad your
brain isn't "in progress" of working.
Read your own diagram dipshit, it shows 240v between R (L1) and N
(Ground) which means that the ground would have to be hot and not
broken as your lame "drawing" shows. The truth is you don't know WTF
you are trying to draw. In progress! Too funny!
Mike
Tom Pendergast
> On 21 Apr 2003 00:20:55 GMT, Tom Pendergast <t...@icubed.com> wrote:
>>>> But being the incompetent (and possibly cheapskate) dimwit that
>>>> you is, you pooched a 3 ft piece of 10-3.
>
> 10-3? here you go with 3 phase wiring again.
Please pay attention, moron: 10-3 means there are 3 conductors
besided the bare ground wire. Red, Black, and White. You know,
for 240V circuits instead of 10-2 for 120V circuits.
How can anybody who calls something like that "three phase" be
stupid enough to keep walking the earth? The only bad part about
you is that I likely won't be there the day you stick your moron
hands into the right electrical box and fry yourself to a crisp.
> Wake up you clueless
> twit, Turtle is talking about single phase which would be 10-2 with a
> ground.
Uh, idiot, moron, pea-brained loser, once again: 10-2 is used
for 120VAC circuits. Black, White, and bare ground. Could you
possibly be any more of a clueless moron?
TP
--
In-depth studies have determined that the most used sexual
position for married couples is "doggie style". He sits
up and begs while she rolls over and plays dead.
BGBevill
OH MY.........
Oscar_lives
> On 20 Apr 2003, ftwhd wrote:
> > On 21 Apr 2003 00:20:55 GMT, Tom Pendergast <t...@icubed.com> wrote:
>
> Please pay attention, moron: 10-3 means there are 3 conductors
> besided the bare ground wire. Red, Black, and White. You know,
> for 240V circuits instead of 10-2 for 120V circuits.
>
> How can anybody who calls something like that "three phase" be
> stupid enough to keep walking the earth? The only bad part about
> you is that I likely won't be there the day you stick your moron
> hands into the right electrical box and fry yourself to a crisp.
>
Pedo, you are truly showing your stupidicy here. 10/3 is just what it say:
3 ten-gage conductors.
10/3wG is 3 ten-gage conductors with a grounding conductor. Used for
three-phase work.
10/2 is 2 ten-gage conductors. Not used much anymore.
10/2wG is 2 ten-gage conductors with a grounding conductor. Used for 240v
single-phase.
Oscar_lives
> >Tom Pendergast <t...@icubed.com> wrote:
> > In-depth studies have determined that the most used sexual
> > position for married couples is "doggie style". He sits
> > up and begs while she rolls over and plays dead.
Little hands, eh peddy?
Tom Pendergast
>> >Tom Pendergast <t...@icubed.com> wrote:
>> > In-depth studies have determined that the most used sexual
>> > position for married couples is "doggie style". He sits
>> > up and begs while she rolls over and plays dead.
It's called a .sig file loser, we've had this conversation
before. Do you spend your entire life saying the same stupid
things over and over again, or do you just do it here?
Here it comes again, loser. Prepare to have another chance to
prove yourself a moron...
TP
--
Oscar_lives
> On 20 Apr 2003, Oscar_lives wrote:
> >> >Tom Pendergast <t...@icubed.com> wrote:
> >> > In-depth studies have determined that the most used sexual
> >> > position for married couples is "doggie style". He sits
> >> > up and begs while she rolls over and plays dead.
>
> > <yet another brainless comment on a /sig file snipped>
>
> It's called a .sig file loser, we've had this conversation
> before. Do you spend your entire life saying the same stupid
> things over and over again, or do you just do it here?
>
> Here it comes again, loser. Prepare to have another chance to
> prove yourself a moron...
>
> TP
"sig file"??? Never heard of that. I've got a bastard file, a double-cut
mill file, etc. but not a sig file.
Where do you come up with this crap?
Oval
> >> But being the incompetent (and possibly cheapskate) dimwit that
> >> you is, you pooched a 3 ft piece of 10-3.
> >
> > 10-3 for a 40 Amp circuit????? Are you stupid???
>
> Oh, eat me, asswipe. So I overlooked that it was a 40 amp
> circuit, not a 30. Big fucking deal, loser.
Yeah it is a big deal, and you should know why....fuckin troll.
>
> And you -are- a loser, in case you doubted that for a second.
>
> >> Big time. You know
> >> the old saying about "you could fuck up a 1 car funeral"? Well,
> >> you crossed two wires and did it like this:
> >
> > You think he would hook it up wrong??? He went to the touble to move
> > it but, didn't check the wiring???
> > I would say he missed something, but it was hooked up right!
>
> Whatever you say, loser.
>
> >> O-R-------------------------R-()-------|
> >> dconct 240 |
> >> box O-N-\ /---------------------B-()-------| cmprsr
> >> X 120 |
> >> O-B-/ \---------------------W-()-------|
> >
> > So, in this case ground is hot! And the hot(R) to ground would be
> > 240v, with the other hot(W) to ground would be 120v. And the case
> > would be hot!! Think by now you can stop! Tripping the
> > breaker..........I think so........and then no voltage present!
>
> Nope, never said that, loser. You're nit picking an "in progress"
> drawing, but you already knew that, right loser?
>
> > By the way......if you do diagrams in the future keep your symbols the
> > same!! (Somehow N became W) MORON!!
>
> Well duh. Neuteral=White. Sorry to make you strain your
> pea brain.
You lost track of what the hell you were trying to say after the first
diagram. Try lurking Tom, because your information is right out of a
mail order DIY book. Im glad you took the time to read, but that only
half the battle. You should try to focus on not reading fast and
looking at the pictures, but comprehension. Kj schooled your stupid
troll'n ass with one post, if you would go back and actually try to
comprehend what he followed-up...you might learn something.
>
> >> ...and to make matters worse, you either have an open White wire
> >> (reusing that old scrap stuff so can save enough to buy a pack of
> >> hot dogs to add...) *OR* you had a little delayed reaction from
> >> getting hit in the head so many times, and maybe you used the
> >> White as neuteral on one end and connected the bare copper as
> >> "neuteral" on the other end??? But in any case, that Neuteral
> >> wire is open...
> >>
> >> O-R-------------------------R-()-X-----| ......
> >> dconct 240 |
> >> box O-N-\ /---------------------B-()-Y-----| cmprsr
> >> X 0 | 0
> >> O-B-/ \----* *-----------?-()-Z-----| ......
> >
> > You'd better go back and re-think your results! Ground is
> > HOT!...........and would be tripping breaker!
> > You say "hot on one side of contactor, the other side of contactor is
> > ground"?????...............This would definately be tripping the
> > breaker!
>
> There's no guarantee that the Y terminal would be at ground
> potential, loser. In fact, there's no guarnatee it would be
> connected to anything. Keep trying, you'll need to do better.
Ground potential?....no. Ground reference, yes.
There's no potential for ground.....there always is ground.
Keep Lurking DUMBASS!!!
>
> Loser.
>
>
> TP
CBHvac
> On 20 Apr 2003, ftwhd wrote:
> > On 21 Apr 2003 00:20:55 GMT, Tom Pendergast <t...@icubed.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> But being the incompetent (and possibly cheapskate) dimwit that
> >>>> you is, you pooched a 3 ft piece of 10-3.
> >
> > 10-3? here you go with 3 phase wiring again.
>
> Please pay attention, moron: 10-3 means there are 3 conductors
> besided the bare ground wire. Red, Black, and White. You know,
> for 240V circuits instead of 10-2 for 120V circuits.
>
Yea...and B-pipe is B-pipe...PVC isnt just because its 4 inches in
diameter...
BTW, you JUST repeated your mistake, but you wont admit that...
> How can anybody who calls something like that "three phase" be
> stupid enough to keep walking the earth? The only bad part about
> you is that I likely won't be there the day you stick your moron
> hands into the right electrical box and fry yourself to a crisp.
Hey clueless wonder...guess whos got his electrical and can hook up units
all day long? Hint...aint you.
>
> > Wake up you clueless
> > twit, Turtle is talking about single phase which would be 10-2 with a
> > ground.
>
> Uh, idiot, moron, pea-brained loser, once again: 10-2 is used
> for 120VAC circuits. Black, White, and bare ground. Could you
> possibly be any more of a clueless moron?
Tis obvious as FUCK you have no business in any business, except perhaps,
the poster child for we be idiots on da net...
Tom Pendergast
>> > On 21 Apr 2003 00:20:55 GMT, Tom Pendergast <t...@icubed.com> wrote:
>> Please pay attention, moron: 10-3 means there are 3 conductors
>> besided the bare ground wire. Red, Black, and White. You know,
>> for 240V circuits instead of 10-2 for 120V circuits.
>> How can anybody who calls something like that "three phase" be
>> stupid enough to keep walking the earth? The only bad part about
>> you is that I likely won't be there the day you stick your moron
>> hands into the right electrical box and fry yourself to a crisp.
> Pedo, you are truly showing your stupidicy here. 10/3 is just what it
> say: 3 ten-gage conductors.
Yes. Used by people who wire things *CORRECTLY* and *ACCORDING*
*TO* *CODE* for 240VAC circuits.
> 10/3wG is 3 ten-gage conductors with a grounding conductor. Used for
> three-phase work.
Only by fuggin' *HACKS* like you moron losers.
> 10/2 is 2 ten-gage conductors. Not used much anymore.
Won't argue that. Most of it is either 12-2 or 14-2, you know,
the stuff you use for 120VAC circuits. Black=hot, White=neuteral,
bare copper=ground.
> 10/2wG is 2 ten-gage conductors with a grounding conductor. Used for
> 240v single-phase.
Uh, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, moron. loser *H*A*C*K*.
Proper wire for "240v single-phase" is 10-3 or 8-3 or 12-3 with
ground. Black=Hot1, Red=Hot2, White=Neuteral, bare copper=ground.
You friggin' *H*A*C*K*S* just do it the half-assed ILLEGAL way,
don't you, moron??? You PIG-RIGGING lazy, cheap bastard!
You *H*A*C*K*S* use the white wire for the 2nd leg? ILLEGALLY
substituting it for the RED wire in 10-3, don't you, *H*A*C*K?
WOOOOO fuggin' HOOOOO! I knew if I gave you enough rope you
would hang yourself. You are a half-assed pig-rigging pile of
shit corner cutting ILLEGAL fugging *H*A*C*K.
CBHvac
"Oscar_lives" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:bjHoa.546018$3D1.300724@sccrnsc01...
You sure he didnt connect the black to the white and the white to the green
one??
>
>
Oscar_lives
Pedo: Take those little hands out of your pants and count the wires. I
don't see any grounding conductor on 10/3, 10/2, or 12/3.
What do you see? Just little fingers that can't yet count?
PS.. how's your .sig file? Ever used it to sharpen your wit?
Oscar_lives
Tommy is the poster child for Planned Parenthood.
Those little fingers got his .sig file all bent...
Bill
<webm...@removethis.carolinabreezehvac.com> wrote:
> "Tom Pendergast" <t...@icubed.com> wrote in message
snip
TP was pretty funny for a while.
With what he's posted about what he knows it's a wonder he's lived this long.
The only electricity he should be around is electroshock.
I heard TP is gonna be in the sequel to Jackass.
Dumbass.
kjpro
> On 20 Apr 2003, Oscar_lives wrote:
> > "Tom Pendergast" <t...@icubed.com> wrote...
> >> On 20 Apr 2003, ftwhd wrote:
> >> > On 21 Apr 2003 00:20:55 GMT, Tom Pendergast <t...@icubed.com> wrote:
>
> >> Please pay attention, moron: 10-3 means there are 3 conductors
> >> besided the bare ground wire. Red, Black, and White. You know,
> >> for 240V circuits instead of 10-2 for 120V circuits.
>
> >> How can anybody who calls something like that "three phase" be
> >> stupid enough to keep walking the earth? The only bad part about
> >> you is that I likely won't be there the day you stick your moron
> >> hands into the right electrical box and fry yourself to a crisp.
>
> > Pedo, you are truly showing your stupidicy here. 10/3 is just what it
> > say: 3 ten-gage conductors.
>
> Yes. Used by people who wire things *CORRECTLY* and *ACCORDING*
> *TO* *CODE* for 240VAC circuits.
>
> > 10/3wG is 3 ten-gage conductors with a grounding conductor. Used for
> > three-phase work.
>
> Only by fuggin' *HACKS* like you moron losers.
**
Why????
**
> > 10/2 is 2 ten-gage conductors. Not used much anymore.
>
> Won't argue that. Most of it is either 12-2 or 14-2, you know,
> the stuff you use for 120VAC circuits. Black=hot, White=neuteral,
> bare copper=ground.
**
Not true, 12-2, 14-2 is 2-cond. only! Now 12/2 w G, 14/2 w G is 2
cond.wire w/1 bare copper ground!
**
> > 10/2wG is 2 ten-gage conductors with a grounding conductor. Used for
> > 240v single-phase.
**
Again Why??? So, that 12 or 14 gauge wire that is used in a switch as a
traveler is always black or red????? NOT!
**
> Uh, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, moron. loser *H*A*C*K*.
>
> Proper wire for "240v single-phase" is 10-3 or 8-3 or 12-3 with
> ground. Black=Hot1, Red=Hot2, White=Neuteral, bare copper=ground.
**
For a smart, educated, and having an electronics degree idiot you would
think you could spell NEUTRAL!!
Go back to school MORON!!! It would technically be BLK=L1, RD=L2,
WH=Neutral, Bare Copper=GRND.
**
> You *H*A*C*K*S* use the white wire for the 2nd leg? ILLEGALLY
> substituting it for the RED wire in 10-3, don't you, *H*A*C*K?
**
You can use the white as hot if you tag it with tape or some other
identifing way!!
**
> WOOOOO fuggin' HOOOOO! I knew if I gave you enough rope you
> would hang yourself. You are a half-assed pig-rigging pile of
> shit corner cutting ILLEGAL fugging *H*A*C*K.
>
>
> TP
> --
> In-depth studies have determined that the most used sexual
> position for married couples is "doggie style". He sits
> up and begs while she rolls over and plays dead.
Keep showing your an IDIOT, MORON!
kjpro
p.s. Your wife may not be giving it to you, but everybody else is getting
their share!!!
CBHvac
Personal experence with his family//??
>
>
>
CBHvac
"kjpro" <kjn...@starband.com> wrote in message
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Actually, coming from a moron like you, a HACK is STILL about 5 notches up
on the idiot ladder....so keep looking up to us, you hack wannabe, and
remember, some of us pull the correct wires...you know..2 reds...one
green...
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kjpro
> > On 20 Apr 2003, kjpro wrote:
> >> But being the incompetent (and possibly cheapskate) dimwit that
> >> you is, you pooched a 3 ft piece of 10-3.
> >
> > 10-3 for a 40 Amp circuit????? Are you stupid???
>
> Oh, eat me, asswipe. So I overlooked that it was a 40 amp
> circuit, not a 30. Big fucking deal, loser.
**
To you, YES it's not a big deal...........cuz they would probably die do to
CO off the illegally vented W/H first!!
**
> And you -are- a loser, in case you doubted that for a second.
**
I again ask you to show me where and when I supposedly LIED! Your the one
that backpedals and side steps the FACTS!
CB has asked you to show your so called smarts and you ignore him!!
You get asked a direct question and you sidestep "ignore" the question.
**
> >> Big time. You know
> >> the old saying about "you could fuck up a 1 car funeral"? Well,
> >> you crossed two wires and did it like this:
> >
> > You think he would hook it up wrong??? He went to the trouble to move
> > it but, didn't check the wiring???
> > I would say he missed something, but it was hooked up right!
>
> Whatever you say, loser.
**
You are the loser here!!
**
> >> O-R-------------------------R-()-------|
> >> dconct 240 |
> >> box O-N-\ /---------------------B-()-------| cmprsr
> >> X 120 |
> >> O-B-/ \---------------------W-()-------|
> >
> > So, in this case ground is hot! And the hot(R) to ground would be
> > 240v, with the other hot(W) to ground would be 120v. And the case
> > would be hot!! Think by now you can stop! Tripping the
> > breaker..........I think so........and then no voltage present!
>
> Nope, never said that, loser. You're nit picking an "in progress"
> drawing, but you already knew that, right loser?
>
**
Both of your diagrams show a ground to the compressor.
Ground to the compressor......................NOT!
Hot to the ground lug........and ground to the contact!!.............Will
blow the breaker!! MORON!!
**
> > By the way......if you do diagrams in the future keep your symbols the
> > same!! (Somehow N became W) MORON!!
>
> Well duh. Neuteral=White. Sorry to make you strain your
> pea brain.
**
Again, an educated idiot can't spell NEUTRAL!! You so called electronics
expert!
**
> >> O-R-------------------------R-()-X-----| ......
> >> dconct 240 |
> >> box O-N-\ /---------------------B-()-Y-----| cmprsr
> >> X 0 | 0
> >> O-B-/ \----* *-----------?-()-Z-----| ......
> >
> > You'd better go back and re-think your results! Ground is
> > HOT!...........and would be tripping breaker!
> > You say "hot on one side of contactor, the other side of contactor is
> > ground"?????...............This would definitely be tripping the
> > breaker!
>
> There's no guarantee that the Y terminal would be at ground
> potential, loser. In fact, there's no guarnatee it would be
> connected to anything. Keep trying, you'll need to do better.
>
> Loser.
> TP
You put the ground on the compressor per the diagram!!! YOU!! NOT ME!!
You show "Y" to be HOT as per the diagram! Switched with the N and B
X=crossed!
You better read on some more and pick an accreditable school this time!!
kjpro
Tom Pendergast
> "Tom Pendergast" <t...@icubed.com> wrote...
>> You *H*A*C*K*S* use the white wire for the 2nd leg? ILLEGALLY
>> substituting it for the RED wire in 10-3, don't you, *H*A*C*K?
> **
> You can use the white as hot if you tag it with tape or some other
> identifing way!!
> **
BZZZZZZZZ...WRONG PIG-RIG HACK! OK, yes, in some cases you can
do that, but you still need a separate Neutral and Ground wires,
when you PIG RIG the white wire in that situation as the 2nd hot,
you only have one wire left, the bare copper, and that is NOT
an acceptable wire for use as Neutral and ground combined. It's
fuggin' *PIG* *RIGGED* and you useless hacks who do it that
way have the unmitigated BALLS to tell me I don't know what I'm
talkling about!?
>> WOOOOO fuggin' HOOOOO! I knew if I gave you enough rope you
>> would hang yourself. You are a half-assed pig-rigging pile of
>> shit corner cutting ILLEGAL fugging *H*A*C*K.
I left that section in on purpose, loser.
kjpro
:-)
kjpro
"CBHvac" <webm...@removethis.carolinabreezehvac.com> wrote in message
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tom thinks that w stands for WHITE lmao.
yo, tommy boy, it is 100% legal to use the white wire for a 240 volt
disconnect. so using a two conductor cable with a ground would be
legal.
because your an idiot, your not aware of this minor fact, nor in what
capacity your allowed to do this, or what precautions you would be
required to take but it is NOT illegal. your psuedo lawyering aint
much better than your volts ohms and amps so stick with what you know,
which to date is just about conclusivly nothing, so please, sit
quietly in the corner.
you wanna play with the big dogs, you just gotta stop pooping like a
puppy!
the other rich
kjpro
> On 20 Apr 2003, kjpro wrote:
> > "Tom Pendergast" <t...@icubed.com> wrote...
>
>
> >> You *H*A*C*K*S* use the white wire for the 2nd leg? ILLEGALLY
> >> substituting it for the RED wire in 10-3, don't you, *H*A*C*K?
>
> > **
> > You can use the white as hot if you tag it with tape or some other
> > identifing way!!
> > **
>
> BZZZZZZZZ...WRONG PIG-RIG HACK! OK, yes, in some cases you can
> do that, but you still need a separate Neutral and Ground wires,
> when you PIG RIG the white wire in that situation as the 2nd hot,
> you only have one wire left, the bare copper, and that is NOT
> an acceptable wire for use as Neutral and ground combined. It's
> fuggin' *PIG* *RIGGED* and you useless hacks who do it that
> way have the unmitigated BALLS to tell me I don't know what I'm
> talkling about!?
First, show me a condensing unit that needs a NEUTRAL you friggin MORON!!
Last time I hooked one up it was L1, L2, Ground, PERIOD!!
240v compressor, 240v fan, coil, cabinet, oh where oh where does that
NEUTRAL go???? Oh what oh what does it FEED???
It's not a fucking electric dryer you dumb f*ck !
WOOOOO fuggin' HOOOOO! I knew if I gave you enough rope you
would hang yourself. You are a half-assed pig-rigging pile of
shit corner cutting ILLEGAL fugging *H*A*C*K.
Here it's for you MORON!
> TP
kjpro
p.s. Anymore lame ass comments???
p.s.s. Did you finally figure out what's wrong with this unit??? Ya need a
hint???
CBHvac
>
> "Tom Pendergast" <t...@icubed.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9363EFE921A...@130.133.1.4...
> > On 20 Apr 2003, kjpro wrote:
> > > "Tom Pendergast" <t...@icubed.com> wrote...
> >
> >
> > >> You *H*A*C*K*S* use the white wire for the 2nd leg? ILLEGALLY
> > >> substituting it for the RED wire in 10-3, don't you, *H*A*C*K?
> >
> > > **
> > > You can use the white as hot if you tag it with tape or some other
> > > identifing way!!
> > > **
> >
> > BZZZZZZZZ...WRONG PIG-RIG HACK! OK, yes, in some cases you can
> > do that, but you still need a separate Neutral and Ground wires,
> > when you PIG RIG the white wire in that situation as the 2nd hot,
> > you only have one wire left, the bare copper, and that is NOT
> > an acceptable wire for use as Neutral and ground combined. It's
> > fuggin' *PIG* *RIGGED* and you useless hacks who do it that
> > way have the unmitigated BALLS to tell me I don't know what I'm
> > talkling about!?
>
> First, show me a condensing unit that needs a NEUTRAL you friggin MORON!!
You beat me to that...I was gonna say, show me a single phase 208-240 unit
that has more than 3 lugs in the box...
And he looks up to hacks, where do you think hes getting all his information
about PVC from?
Bill
<webm...@removethis.carolinabreezehvac.com> wrote:
> Actually, coming from a moron like you, a HACK is STILL about 5 notches up
> on the idiot ladder....
> > kjpro
LOL
This one is excellent!
: )
kjpro
knows electronics (i.e. electrical)!
Then he is wiped all over the floor on that! Now it'll be I don't know JACK
about it either!
He'll now say he knows something else! I don't personally think he knows
much at all. He shows his stupidity in every post!
kjpro
p.s. He's been sidestepping the real solution here! Waiting for someone to
give the answer!
BECAUSE, the electronics degreed IDIOT doesn't know!
So far, he has sidestepped these questions :
Neutral, Solution to problem, Feed wire on lighting, ground to compressor,
And for last you'd think he would be using the right electrical symbols.
(i.e. L1, L2, Grd, S, R, C)
"CBHvac" <webm...@removethis.carolinabreezehvac.com> wrote in message
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he has admitted he does not know what the fuck he is doing before.
"I'm just a skilled homeowner, not an electrician, so I bow to
the higher knowledge ones who would have a firm answer on this."
that is him speaking in alt.homerepair not too long ago.
he has also never officially denied that he is an idiot. he says
skilled, but never refrences skilled at what. i think being skilled at
owning a home is an interesting craft that about suits his abilities.
the other rich
On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 04:21:07 GMT, tsu...@columbus.rr.com (Bill)
wrote:
kjpro
"ftwhd" <ft...@fuckoffspammers.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 23:37:06 GMT, "kjpro" <kjn...@starband.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >> > I read from
> >> > each teminal to ground and got 124 vac on each side to ground.
> >>
> >> That's good. Here, have a cookie. ($1 Don Rickles)
> >>
> > > (sigh) OK, dickhead, here ya go:
> >>
> >> 1st off, you have two problems. One from your stupidity, the
> >> other could also be from that, or maybe it's 'cause you reuse
> >> old scrap pieces of wire (so you can save enough to buy a pack
> >> of hot dogs to add to your macaroni and cheese lunches???)
> >> If all is wired correctly, here's what the whole thing should
> >> look like:
> >>
> >> O-R-------------------------R-()-X-----| ........
> >> disconnect 120 | 2
> >> box O-W-------------------------W-()-Y-----| compressor 4
> >> load 120 | 0
> >> side O-B-------------------------B-()-Z-----| ........
> >>
> >> you is, you pooched a 3 ft piece of 10-3.
> >
> >10-3 for a 40 Amp circuit????? Are you stupid???
> >
> >> the old saying about "you could fuck up a 1 car funeral"? Well,
> >> you crossed two wires and did it like this:
> >
but,
> >didn't check the wiring???
> >I would say he missed something, but it was hooked up right!
> >
> >> dconct 240 |
> >> box O-N-\ /---------------------B-()-------| cmprsr
> >> X 120 |
> >> O-B-/ \---------------------W-()-------|
> >
> >So, in this case ground is hot! And the hot(R) to ground would be 240v,
with
> >the other hot(W) to ground would be 120v. And the case would be hot!!
> >Think by now you can stop! Tripping the breaker..........I think
> >so........and then no voltage present!
> >
He'll never answer the question!
He doesn't know! PERIOD!
He's side-stepping again.
:-)
kjpro
kjpro
"Oval" <ov...@thelostpostoffice.com> wrote in message
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He's to stupid to realize the truth!
He's just going to side-step the question till someone slips it out!
He's also to stupid to comprehend what I typed for him!
I tried. He ignores every question I throw at him.
kjpro
p.s. Nice responce Oval.
Oscar_lives
Those little hands are very busy tonight....
Tommy Pedo has proven beyond a doubt that he is not only an asshole, but
that he is also a very ignorant one.
His self-esteem is obviously very low-- thats why he looks for the
affections of the weak and young children.
He is sick sick sick.
Instead of learning with his ears, he spews shit with his posts.
I would like to bash him in the head with a rock.
kjpro
Read REL " the other rich " post at above, same thread. posted at 4/20/03
11:39pm.
Tommy admits just a stupid HO on alt.home.repair.
"I'm just a skilled homeowner, not an electrician, so I bow to
the higher knowledge ones who would have a firm answer on this."
kjpro
p.s. Just when you overlook a topic, the JACKASS "TP" shows his stupidity in
that thread.
TURTLE
> >> > each teminal to ground and got 124 vac on each side to ground.
> >>
> >> That's good. Here, have a cookie. ($1 Don Rickles)
> >>
> > > (sigh) OK, dickhead, here ya go:
> >>
> >> 1st off, you have two problems. One from your stupidity, the
> >> other could also be from that, or maybe it's 'cause you reuse
> >> old scrap pieces of wire (so you can save enough to buy a pack
> >> of hot dogs to add to your macaroni and cheese lunches???)
> >> If all is wired correctly, here's what the whole thing should
> >> look like:
> >>
> >> O-R-------------------------R-()-X-----| ........
> >> disconnect 120 | 2
> >> box O-W-------------------------W-()-Y-----| compressor 4
> >> load 120 | 0
> >> side O-B-------------------------B-()-Z-----| ........
> >>
> >> you is, you pooched a 3 ft piece of 10-3.
> >
> > 10-3 for a 40 Amp circuit????? Are you stupid???
>
> Oh, eat me, asswipe. So I overlooked that it was a 40 amp
> circuit, not a 30. Big fucking deal, loser.
>
This is Turtle.
When a electrician , awww i mean a real electrician says when he is proved
wrong on putting too small of wire on the circuit and he dust it off by
saing it does not matter much at all and says don't worry about it at all
for it will in someway be ok. He is the most dangerious person that walks
the earth. He will kill some one atleast one time in his life and be sued
and loose his licences at that time. now till that happens he will be
burning down business and homes till he kills someone.
Tom Please stop before you kill someone.
TURTLE
TURTLE
> > > I read from
> > > each teminal to ground and got 124 vac on each side to ground.
> >
> > That's good. Here, have a cookie. ($1 Don Rickles)
> >
> > (sigh) OK, dickhead, here ya go:
> >
> > 1st off, you have two problems. One from your stupidity, the
> > other could also be from that, or maybe it's 'cause you reuse
> > old scrap pieces of wire (so you can save enough to buy a pack
> > of hot dogs to add to your macaroni and cheese lunches???)
> > If all is wired correctly, here's what the whole thing should
> > look like:
> >
> > O-R-------------------------R-()-X-----| ........
> > disconnect 120 | 2
> > box O-W-------------------------W-()-Y-----| compressor 4
> > load 120 | 0
> > side O-B-------------------------B-()-Z-----| ........
> >
> > But being the incompetent (and possibly cheapskate) dimwit that
> > you is, you pooched a 3 ft piece of 10-3.
>
> 10-3 for a 40 Amp circuit????? Are you stupid???
>
This is Turtle.
Look i can see where Tom would be use to running #10 wire for 40 amp
breakers. In the code books it says if you run the #10 wire single stran
wire in mid-air, like electric service is done to come to your house. the #
10 will handle the 40 amps good and properly. Tom is if he did ever do a
job, run #10 wire to the condenser by single stran wires and just lay it on
the ground with no conduit, no cover, or keep the wire hanging to rafters or
brick walls.
Tom is right if he would run the wire in a hacker fashion and not use any
protection for the wire , but the code book would have to thrown out the
window to use the # 10 wire. So non-code running of the wire yes tom is
right , but if run by the code book, tom would be wrong.
TURTLE
TURTLE
>
> On 20 Apr 2003, TURTLE wrote: (snipping to the chase)
>
> > ... I took my volt meter out and
> > started taking reading at different points to get the readings. I
> > checked at the breaker outside at breaker box and found this. I have
> > 245 vac across the top of the breaker where power comes in to the
> > breaker. I read below the breaker where power comes off the break to
> > the condenser unit and read 245 vac.
>
> OK, good start, you made it past the disconnect switch (that's more
> than a couple of your fellow Wizards are likely to do!)
>
> > I went to the condenser
> > contactors and read across the wires coming into the 240 vac service
> > connections. I read 2 vac but it could be my meter for showing such
> > low volts.
>
> It's "leakage" or inductive coupling action, but you alread knew
> that, (WATCH OUT FOR THAT TREE!) right?
>
> > I check the meter other places and it was good.
>
> Not needed, but hey, I'm sure the little voices inside your head
> told you to.
>
> > I read from
> > each teminal to ground and got 124 vac on each side to ground.
>
> That's good. Here, have a cookie. ($1 Don Rickles)
>
> > went and got a real pro hvac man to come tell me what the problem is
> > and me being knocked in the head washed up hvac tech , but if you can
> > tell me what it is I can save me about $100.00 sevice call. Tom i have
> > been told that with this info a good electrician can tell me right off
> > what the problem is. You being a electrican with the knownledge of 4
> > pro of this group. you would be rated as a super expert to call this
> > problem right off.
> >
> > Tom i need to know what the answer is right now for the electrician is
> > coming over this evening which will cost me $100.00. I need you to
> > tell me right off what the problem is and i hope you don't have to do
> > any research or call other electricians to get the answer. i know you
> > will be posting right back with the answer real soon.
> >
> > To all the other know nothing hvac tech on this newsgroup , I real
> > don't want to hear any of your guesses and mess Tom's line of thought
> > up. All you hvac know nothing tech here keep your mouth shut and let
> > Tom the Super professional Pro electrician call this problem.
> >
> > Tom i need you to come through on this answer for me right now.
> >
> > Waiting here with all ears.
>
> (sigh) OK, dickhead, here ya go:
>
> 1st off, you have two problems. One from your stupidity, the
> other could also be from that, or maybe it's 'cause you reuse
> old scrap pieces of wire (so you can save enough to buy a pack
> of hot dogs to add to your macaroni and cheese lunches???)
> If all is wired correctly, here's what the whole thing should
> look like:
>
> O-R-------------------------R-()-X-----| ........
> disconnect 120 | 2
> box O-W-------------------------W-()-Y-----| compressor 4
> load 120 | 0
> side O-B-------------------------B-()-Z-----| ........
>
> But being the incompetent (and possibly cheapskate) dimwit that
> the old saying about "you could fuck up a 1 car funeral"? Well,
> you crossed two wires and did it like this:
>
> dconct 240 |
> box O-N-\ /---------------------B-()-------| cmprsr
> X 120 |
> O-B-/ \---------------------W-()-------|
>
> hot dogs to add...) *OR* you had a little delayed reaction from
> getting hit in the head so many times, and maybe you used the White
> as neuteral on one end and connected the bare copper as "neuteral"
> on the other end??? But in any case, that Neuteral wire is open...
>
> O-R-------------------------R-()-X-----| ......
> dconct 240 |
> box O-N-\ /---------------------B-()-Y-----| cmprsr
> X 0 | 0
> O-B-/ \----* *-----------?-()-Z-----| ......
>
>
>
> 1) Your compressor is seeing 0VAC (X-Z) So it won't work, but it
> *is* providing a circuit path for the 120 VAC. In other words
> you have the exact same 120VAC at Z that you have at X.
>
> 2) Since the 120VAC that you're seeing at X is the same 120VAC
> that you're seeing at Z, you would see no 240VAC there, as you
> would expect if it were (sigh) wired right. You would (as you
> have already measured) see a small amount of leakage there.
> I propose it would be more like a couple hundred millivolts,
> but 2V is not out of the question. What's a volt and a half
> between friends, right?
>
> 3) And, Since the 120VAC that you're seeing at X is the same
> 120VAC that you're seeing at Z (thanks to you, oh Wizard),
> then you would indeed be able to measure that same 120VAC
> from either point (X or Z) to ground.
>
>
> Come ack bwhen you have something tough. And WATCH OUT FOR
> THAT TREE. Dickhead.
>
>
> TP
This is Turtle.
Read below if what you have said is not your answer. I'm not sure but i
think you may have said that the neuteral wire is broken. If you have said
that the neuteral is broken, could you just explain a little more on this to
be sure of exactly what your saying here. Now one point i wanted to make is
this condenser has been running now 8 years and I have "not replaced" or
"moved any wires" at all on the electric circuits. If this is not your
answer please read below to get you to come out with the answer.
Awwwww , Tom you have been explaining for 10 minutes in 50 cent words and it
seem you did not just tell me out right what the problem was or what to do
to fix it. By now you could have go a hold of a bunch of fellow electricians
to study this problem for you to give a good answer.
Now tom time is has run out on you telling me what is wrong with the system
found the problem in about 10 minutes after starting at looking at it and
did add it was a very simple fix and wondere why I did not be able to see
the easy fix that it was. Now Tom you have cost me $100.00 for getting a
Electrician professional out to tell me what the problem was. You being a
professional and all , i would think you would know the answer right off and
tell me the cure to fix it. Tom the Electrician that is fixing the problem
will be repairing the problem monday morning.
Tom PLEASE tell me in simple words what was wrong with it and use simple
words for be being a un-knowning hvac tech. Tom if you don't post the answer
soon , i will have to assume your not a professional electrician that you
say you are. If you give me the answer here i will tell all that your a very
good and professional electrician as you say you are.
Come on Tom , come across here with the answer. I'm waiting Tom.
TURTLE
ftwhd
The only one who is hanging himself is you Tommy boy.
Mike
ftwhd
>On 20 Apr 2003, ftwhd wrote:
>> On 21 Apr 2003 00:20:55 GMT, Tom Pendergast <t...@icubed.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> But being the incompetent (and possibly cheapskate) dimwit that
>>>>> you is, you pooched a 3 ft piece of 10-3.
>>
>> 10-3? here you go with 3 phase wiring again.
>
> Please pay attention, moron: 10-3 means there are 3 conductors
> besided the bare ground wire. Red, Black, and White. You know,
> for 240V circuits instead of 10-2 for 120V circuits.
>
There is NO NEUTRAL for a condensing unit. On a condensing unit you
would use 10-2 with a ground. Turn your Lowes certificate back in you
didn't learn a thing. If your cheap and run house wire to it you need
to id the white wire as hot by wrapping black tape over the exposed
white.
> How can anybody who calls something like that "three phase" be
> stupid enough to keep walking the earth? The only bad part about
> you is that I likely won't be there the day you stick your moron
> hands into the right electrical box and fry yourself to a crisp.
The right one would be the one you have buggered up, right?
>
>> Wake up you clueless
>> twit, Turtle is talking about single phase which would be 10-2 with a
>> ground.
>
> Uh, idiot, moron, pea-brained loser, once again: 10-2 is used
> for 120VAC circuits. Black, White, and bare ground. Could you
> possibly be any more of a clueless moron?
>
>
> TP
A a/c whip comes with 3 wires. Black, red and green. The whip goes
between the load side of the disconnect and the condensing unit. None
of them are bare and none of them are used for a neutral. The black
and red go into the line side of the contactor and the green goes to
the grounding lug. Now you can finish your "drawing in progress" now
that you have been told how to wire up a 240v SINGLE phase condensing
unit and answer Turtles question.
The thing that stumped you was the three compressor terminals. You
could not figure out how to get a 10-2 w/G to run it so you invent a
need for a neutral wire to run to it. Actually after seeing all your
replys it's clear you still can't figure it out.
Poor Tommy, he is so dumb he don't know how dumb he is. Turtle was
right, we need to keep an eye on you so you don't offer up bad advise
to an unknowing person and get them killed.
Mike
ftwhd
>On 20 Apr 2003, Oscar_lives wrote:
>> "Tom Pendergast" <t...@icubed.com> wrote...
>>> On 20 Apr 2003, ftwhd wrote:
>>> > On 21 Apr 2003 00:20:55 GMT, Tom Pendergast <t...@icubed.com> wrote:
>
>>> Please pay attention, moron: 10-3 means there are 3 conductors
>>> besided the bare ground wire. Red, Black, and White. You know,
>>> for 240V circuits instead of 10-2 for 120V circuits.
>
>>> How can anybody who calls something like that "three phase" be
>>> stupid enough to keep walking the earth? The only bad part about
>>> you is that I likely won't be there the day you stick your moron
>>> hands into the right electrical box and fry yourself to a crisp.
>
>> Pedo, you are truly showing your stupidicy here. 10/3 is just what it
>> say: 3 ten-gage conductors.
>
> Yes. Used by people who wire things *CORRECTLY* and *ACCORDING*
> *TO* *CODE* for 240VAC circuits.
>
You had better go out today and see how your condensing unit is wired
because you are looking mighty dumb here. Now when you see a
connection point for a "neutral" feel free to post it's location.
Installing watch batteries at Wal-Mart does not qualify you as an
electrical/electronics expert.
Mike
volts500
> > >> you is, you pooched a 3 ft piece of 10-3.
> > >
> >
> > circuit, not a 30. Big fucking deal, loser.
>
>
> Electrical Expert.
For compressors and condensing units, there's a thing called _minimum_
circuit ampacity and _maximum_ breaker size. Try looking at the condensing
unit nameplate......if the minimum circuit ampacity is 30 amps and the
maximum breaker is listed as 40 amps, one _can_ install a 40 amp breaker on
the #10 wire. Before you go calling me a hack, check your code
book.......it's very common, especially on commercial and industrial
condensing units.
kjpro
"volts500" <volt...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:JZToa.60573$D15.1...@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
volts500,
You normally come up with some good stuff, but man this is crazy!
Minimum circuit is 30a and you want to max the wire out at 30 and run
10ga???
Not in my book! You'll never see me do it that way!
Not to mention the extra heat you just added to the compressor! More
resistance, more heat!!
kjpro
p.s. 10 ga wire rated for 30A with a 40 A breaker???? ;-(
p.s.s. If the minimum is 30A what's the startup draw??? Not pretty ;-(
REL
unit.
inside the unit the wire size does not follow the same parameters or
inuslating requirements.
the connecting wiring to the unit is mandated by the nec and you can
not connect a wire smaller than number 10 to a 30 amp breaker. the
simplest explanation i can offer is that the breaker is protecting the
WIRE not the unit, which is the purpose of this portion of the nec.
the other rich
volts500
Don't get me wrong........best wiring practice is to protect the condenser
unit circuit with the smallest CB that will still allow the compressor to
start........BUT, when wiring compressors, the CB provides short-circuit
and ground-fault protection only, the compressor OL's provide the
overcurrent protection.
Look at (2002) NEC Table 310.16. See the asterisk (*) next to the 14, 12,
and 10 gauge wires? The asterisk (*) at the bottom of the page says to "see
240.4(D)".
240.4 Protection of Conductors.
240.4(D) Small Conductors. "Unless specifically permitted in 240.4(E)
through (G), the overcurrent protection shall not exceed 15 amperes for 14
AWG, 20 amperes for 12 AWG, and 30 amperes for 10 AWG copper.....and so
on."
This is where most people just say OK, cool. But if you look a 240.4(G)
[as permitted by 240.4(D)]:
240.4(G) Overcurrent Protection for Specific Conductor Applications.
"Overcurrent protection for specific conductors shall be permitted to be as
referenced in Table 240.4(G).
Table 240.4(G) lists 10 Specific Conductor Applications, HACR being one of
them. It refers one to see Article 440, Part III (Branch-Circuit
Short-Circuit and Ground-Fault Protection) and Part VI (Motor-Compressor and
Branch-Circuit Overload Protection).
Part III is essentially Section 440.22
There are some what ifs and why fors in 440.22 but they basically refer back
to Section 440.22(A):
440.22 Application and Selection.
440.22(A) Rating or Setting for Individual Motor-Compressors. "The
motor-compressor branch-circuit short-circuit and ground-fault protective
device shall be capable of carrying the starting current of the motor. A
protecitve device having a rating or setting not exceeding 175 percent of
the motor-compressor rated-load current or branch-circuit selection current,
whichever is greater, SHALL BE PERMITTED, provided that, where the
protection specified is not sufficient for the starting current of the
motor, the rating or setting shall be permitted to be increased but shall
not exceed 225 percent of the motor rated-load current or branch circuit
selection current, whichever is greater."
In the original example: 30 amps x 175% = 52.5 amps..........so, as long as
the _nameplate_ says it's OK, one could install a 50 amp breaker on a #10
wire and still meet code.
I stress that the numbers have to come off the nameplate for the condensing
unit.
The concept probably isn't seen much in residential simply because, for an
average size house, the electrician will just install #10 wire, 30 amp CB
and disconnect and be done, knowing that just about any condensing unit
installed will be covered.
As a matter of fact, I've seen _way_ too many condensing units that were
not protected correctly after a change out. With the smaller condensing
units, the max breaker can easily be 20 or 25 amps..........yet the
"standard" 30 amp CB remains after the install.
In commercial and industrial, an electrical contractor would go broke
installing wire to meet the nameplate "max. CB or fuse". For example, if
the nameplate for a RTU calls for a "minimum circuit ampacity" of 80 amps
and a "maximum CB" of 150 amps, the electrical contractor is going to
install a 1" conduit with #4 conductors as opposed to an 1 1/2" conduit with
1/0 conductors. If a building has 9 or 10 RTU's that's one hell of a price
difference.
volts500
"REL" <rl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> i think he is speaking about breakers within the unit and NOT to the
> unit.
I talking about the CB's in the distribution panel and the feeder wires to
the condensing unit(s).......the wires only need to be large enough to meet
the "minimum circuit ampacity" stamped on the condensing unit nameplate. If
the _nameplate_ "minimum circuit ampacity" is 30 amps and the "maximum CB"
stamped on the same nameplate is 40 amps......then there is _nothing_ wrong
with putting a 40 amp breaker on a #10 feeder wire for that condensing
unit........gets done every day in the US.
No.......I'm not sticking up for that dumbass TP.
REL
about two different things. the circuit breaker is discussed in 440.22
NOT wire attached to that breaker!
" A protecitve device having a rating or setting not exceeding 175
percent"
you can NOT install a #10 wire on a 40 or 50 amp breaker and that
section certianly can not be interpreted to indicate you can.
having worked commercial and industrial hvac, then when i lived in
florida, i went through my electrical apprentice and got my journeyman
card, i can assure you that i have ran, or been responsible for
getting literally millions of feet of wire and not a single one EVER
was connected to a breaker over the capacity of the conductor.
you may get away with this where you are located, but in st louis
county, jefferson county, warren county missouri and lee county
florida you won't.
the other rich
REL
<volt...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>"REL" <rl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:3eb61ead....@news.earthlink.net...
>> i think he is speaking about breakers within the unit and NOT to the
>> unit.
>
>I talking about the CB's in the distribution panel and the feeder wires to
>the condensing unit(s).......the wires only need to be large enough to meet
>the "minimum circuit ampacity" stamped on the condensing unit nameplate. If
>the _nameplate_ "minimum circuit ampacity" is 30 amps and the "maximum CB"
>stamped on the same nameplate is 40 amps......then there is _nothing_ wrong
>with putting a 40 amp breaker on a #10 feeder wire for that condensing
>unit........gets done every day in the US.
>
>No.......I'm not sticking up for that dumbass TP.
i do not think you are sticking up for tom. i totally disagree with
your interpretation of 440 and completely disagree with the statement
above.
maximum circuit breaker 40a indicates that the wire lugs inside the
unit will accept number 8 and down.
you can go larger, you could wire it with 750 mcm on a 30 amp breaker
if you wanted to adapt it, but you can not put a smaller wire than the
circuit protects for. i will repeat it agian, the breaker is to
protect the WIRE not the device, or wiring within the device, just the
wire connected to it.
the other rich
ftwhd
York 10 seer 3 1/2t electrical specs. Max overcurrent protection 40a.
Min feild wire size 10ga. Max wire lenght 150 feet. 2 1/2 t is max
breaker 25a and min wire size is 10ga 3t is max 35a breaker and 10 ga
wire min. Check the specs its all there in black and white.
Mike
kjpro
breaker on 10 ga.wire.
I do see it done, But I totally disagree with it!!
kjpro
"REL" <rl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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volts500
> i TOTALLY disagree with your interpretation of 440.22. your talking
> about two different things. the circuit breaker is discussed in 440.22
> NOT wire attached to that breaker!
>
> " A protecitve device having a rating or setting not exceeding 175
> percent"
>
> you can NOT install a #10 wire on a 40 or 50 amp breaker and that
> section certianly can not be interpreted to indicate you can.
>
> having worked commercial and industrial hvac, then when i lived in
> florida, i went through my electrical apprentice and got my journeyman
> card, i can assure you that i have ran, or been responsible for
> getting literally millions of feet of wire and not a single one EVER
> was connected to a breaker over the capacity of the conductor.
>
> you may get away with this where you are located, but in st louis
> county, jefferson county, warren county missouri and lee county
> florida you won't.
>
> the other rich
MY interpretation? It's common knowledge in the electrical
trade.......perhaps you got your journeyman electrician's card out of a
Crackerjack box? Look at _any_ HVAC schedule on a Commercial electrical
blueprint, then check it with the actual equipment.........you will see
that it calls _only_ for a conductor large enough (unless corrected for
voltage drop on a very long circuit) to meet the nameplate "minimum circuit
ampacity" of the condensing unit with the nameplate "maximum circuit breaker
or fuse" installed. I'm not "getting away" with anything.......it's
standard industry practice.
Where are the specific code references that say this _can't_ be done? I've
already posted the ones that CLEARLY say it can be and _is_ done everyday in
the US.
BGBevill
Well yes, it is usually there on the nameplate of every condensing unit, but I
still see guys arguing over it again and again and have for years. I agree
with volts on this one. I wired a unit today that called for a max breaker of
40 A, but the minimum circuit ampacity was 22 point something. We used no. 10
wire to carry the circuit and used a 40 amp breaker. I have had inspectors
question it, but have never had to change one after showing them the unit
specs. I think I remember another thread some years back that covered this
topic pretty good.
Bobby
kjpro
Yes, the units are labeled for min, max, etc., etc.
But the comprehension is where you need to look at!
For instance a cond.min of 24.5A, 30A fuse A, 40 A max breaker! (also says
12ga/25' max)
Run 10 ga wire and put it on a 30 A breaker!
Run 8 ga wire and put it on a 40 A breaker! And would at this point put a
fused disconnect in also.(with 30 A fuses)"NOT COPPER"lol
Another unit cond. min of 29.1A, 35A fuse, 50 A max breaker! (also says
10ga/40' max)
Run 8 ga. wire and put it on a 40 A breaker!
Run 8 ga. wire and put it on a 50 A breaker! And a fused disconnect with 35A
fuses!
When ever the minimum is toward the high end of the rated wire go to to next
bigger!
The unit will last longer!
kjpro
p.s. I would like to know if the *"150'"* of 10 ga 40a is a typo???
p.s.s. That would have to take in consideration derating the cable for over
100'.
p.s.s.s. And where the wire is ran in the first place! "cold crawl, hot
attic"????
kjpro
"BGBevill" <bgbe...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
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While you agree, I have to disagree!
In your example running 10 ga is ok, but why put it on a 40A breaker???
A 30A breaker is fine for a min of 22A it will not pull more than that
unless there is a problem.
kjpro
p.s. Wire is not that expensive to not run the proper size! And protect it
right.
If you what to continue lets start a new thread!
kjpro
They would be better to run 8 ga. wire for there are big units that require
8 ga./35.7A min!
kjpro
p.s. If this goes on more lets start a new thread. (wire ga. vers amp.)
ftwhd
>Come on Tom , come across here with the answer. I'm waiting Tom.
>
>TURTLE
>
>
>
and don't make the next one so hard. You need to ask him something he
can answer or we may loose him, then we will be stuck with Newty and
his alter ego John. Ask him something that he is qualified to do,
like changing watch batteries at Wal-Marts.
Mike
kjpro
How about selling VCR's & TV's at WallyWorld!
They classify as electronic equipment!
kjpro
p.s. Ask prices only! Nothing technical!
ftwhd
Yup min wire size and max breaker or fuse size. Straight from the
manufactures literature. 40a 10ga up to 150', inspector questions,
show him the specs, pass.
>But the comprehension is where you need to look at!
>
>For instance a cond.min of 24.5A, 30A fuse A, 40 A max breaker! (also says
>12ga/25' max)
>Run 10 ga wire and put it on a 30 A breaker!
>Run 8 ga wire and put it on a 40 A breaker! And would at this point put a
>fused disconnect in also.(with 30 A fuses)"NOT COPPER"lol
>
When you use copper make sure its the thinner plumblers copper not
ACR. :)
>Another unit cond. min of 29.1A, 35A fuse, 50 A max breaker! (also says
>10ga/40' max)
>Run 8 ga. wire and put it on a 40 A breaker!
>Run 8 ga. wire and put it on a 50 A breaker! And a fused disconnect with 35A
>fuses!
>
>
>When ever the minimum is toward the high end of the rated wire go to to next
>bigger!
>The unit will last longer!
>
>kjpro
>p.s. I would like to know if the *"150'"* of 10 ga 40a is a typo???
Nope that is straight from Yorks literature. Max wire length. Don't
like it? Take it up with York, they wrote it. :)
>p.s.s. That would have to take in consideration derating the cable for over
>100'.
>
>p.s.s.s. And where the wire is ran in the first place! "cold crawl, hot
>attic"????
Don't you know anything? Use cold crawl wire or hot attic wire
depending on the application. :)
Mike
ftwhd
>
>kjpro
>p.s. If this goes on more lets start a new thread. (wire ga. vers amp.)
>
>
>
>
>
Mike
ftwhd
He got fired from that job when he blew up a TV by hooking up the
ground to the high tension lead. He's at Wal-Marts now, in the watch
battery changing isle. On the plus side it's right next to the little
boys changing room and he is much sastisfied with his new job.
Mike
kjpro
That York lit must have been one clever EE! I sure wouldn't follow it
though.
kjpro
Noon-Air
least 1 size larger than required) and a breaker in the disconnect box to
protect the equipment(sized per manufacturers instructions for minimum
ampacity).
maybe right, maybe wrong... but it makes a lot of sense to me.
1 foot of good wire is better than a mile of fire hose
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Oscar_lives
You mean that Peddy got promoted from Greeter at Wal-Mart? Last time I saw
him, he was sitting on the bench with the plastic Ronald McDonald smoking a
cigarette, and telling all the customers "Welcome to Wal-Mart. Get your own
damn cart"....
Oscar_lives
You make sense!!!
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kjpro
ga., 30 for 10 ga., 40 for 8 ga., 60 for 6 ga., etc., etc.
I use this as a guide for the wire. It may be a little bigger than need be,
but bigger isn't going to hurt anything. Like small is going to!
kjpro
p.s. Better safe then Sorry!
"Noon-Air" <noon...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Oscar_lives
> I use this as a guide for the wire. It may be a little bigger than need
be,
> but bigger isn't going to hurt anything. Like small is going to!
>
>
> kjpro
Speaking of "small", as in "small hands", I see Mr. Pedophile got done with
the new issue of Boys Life!
Those little hands did it again...
kjpro
He's ignoring that FACT!!
kjpro
p.s. We are still waiting TP!
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BGBevill
Or you have startup amps. I agree that a 30 amp breaker would work, for a
while. Then after about 2 or 3 years you start to see nusience trips and have
to change to the 40 amp to prevent them. I think that is why you only see the
min/max rating on units that have compressors that sometimes start under a load
like hvac and refrigeration units.
>
>kjpro
>p.s. Wire is not that expensive to not run the proper size! And protect it
>right.
Okay, whatever. See I told you this argument has been going on for years, but
wire that will carry 22 point something amps is the proper size and the unit
has written right on it that a 40 amp breaker is permissable. Next time you
are at a manufacturers training or update school, ask them to explain the
nameplate rating and see what they say about it.
Bobby