Freon recovery units' mandatory usage by law?
Phillip Peters
residential Air-conditioning unit - after my request for the use of a Freon
recovery unit was denied.
Simple question, isn't the usage of Freon recovery units mandated by law as part
of EPA Freon recovery certification and licensing? And, isn't the non-usage of
Freon recovery units in commercial, and residential applications against the
Clean Air Act of 1992?
Thanks.
MechAcc
You can go to the EPA site for stationary air conditioning and read
the entire regulation and not just snipits.
http://www.epa.gov/ozone/title6/608/
TURTLE
This is Turtle.
The EPA has a $25,000.00 fine per 2.5 pounds of freon for not using the
recovery equipment if freon is to be removed for any reason. The EPA has a
$10,000.00 bounty for reporting any hvac person not using the recovery
equipment and venting the freon to the air.
If they do not want to abide by the EPA rule or laws on request . Tell them
to hit the road .
TURTLE
herman standiford
fined by the EPA for venting Freon or collecting the $10000.oo reward. Not I
know someone that knew someone that knew someone's cousin's brother that was
fined.
Herman
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a reward for turning someone in.
Mike
UA local 370
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changing parts, and had to take the pressure out of the pipes.
For example, changing a fan or cleaning coils doesn't require
recovery. Recovery units are only used for some types of repairs,
your unit may not have needed recovery.
What kind of repair are we talking about? The firms may well have
been correct, that they didn't need a recovery unit.
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We survived Y2K, but will we survive Y2C?
This Y2C is what they are enduring in California: Survivalist
situations caused by the government regulating business and
preventing the free market forces from working.
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Buck153
standiford" <hstan...@sc.rr.com> writes:
>Is there anyone in this group that has first hand knowledge of anyone being
>fined by the EPA for venting Freon or collecting the $10000.oo reward.
Nope, but my son was reported and a EPA official came to the jobsite. There
were some guys working on a upper roof, and watched him come on the roof and
immediately cut refrigerant lines to change out a unit. The thing is he had
went there the day before and pulled the refrigerant out. The EPA guy took a
couple of hours of his time.
I wondered what if a refrigerant line had broke and oil was all over, and some
turkey reported you, what then.
I have read about different companies being fined in the Refrigeration News.
They name companies and everything. I remember one in particular. A garage in
Bluefield WVA. had put the wrong refrigerant in cars, and some customer pointed
it out to him. The garage owner called all the cars back and put the correct
charge in free. Then he contacted the EPA and reported himself. The EPA
thought kindly of it and fined him only 15 thousand dollars.
[how big hearted of them] They said otherwise they would have fined more.
This was reported by the Refrigeration News, a few years back, it should be in
there achieves.
Buck
Buck153
standiford" <hstan...@sc.rr.com> writes:
>Is there anyone in this group that has first hand knowledge of anyone being
>fined by the EPA for venting Freon or collecting the $10000.oo reward. Not I
>know someone that knew someone that knew someone's cousin's brother that was
>fined.
>Herman
There are two in Cincinnati but could only find the article about one.
Here's one in Cincinnati
EPA Refrigerant Regulations Enforcement Newsletter
EPA Region 5 - For Release June 4, 1999
EPA Cites Barron and Forest Green Metals for Clean-Air Violations
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Region 5 has recently cited Don
M. Barron Contractor, Inc., 408 Cedar St., Farmerville, La., and Forest
Green Metals and Recycling, 11298 Sebring Dr., Forest Park, Ohio, for
alleged violations of Federal regulations to protect stratospheric ozone.
EPA said the companies improperly disposed of appliances containing
ozone-depleting refrigerants during renovations at Forest Ridge Apartments
and Town Homes, 5036 Hawaiian Ter., Cincinnati, Ohio.
This is a preliminary finding of violations. To resolve them, EPA may issue
a compliance order, assess an administrative penalty, or bring suit against
the company. Barron and Forest Green have 30 days from receipt of the
finding to request a meeting with EPA to discuss the allegations and how to
resolve them.
"EPA's mission is to protect human health and the environment," said
Margaret Guerriero, acting director of the regional Air and Radiation
Division. "We will take whatever steps are necessary to ensure compliance
with regulations to protect the stratospheric-ozone layer."
Chlorofluorocarbon refrigerants deplete the stratospheric, or "good," ozone
layer, allowing dangerous, cancer-causing ultraviolet rays from the sun to
strike the earth. Production of some of these chemicals was stopped in 1995,
and now Federal law strictly controls their use and handling. Releasing them
into the air is prohibited.
I also remember another one here in Cincinnati, but can't find it. A junk yard
got caught. Both made the local news.
Buck
Phillip Peters
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> The only time they would need a recovery unit is if they were
> changing parts, and had to take the pressure out of the pipes.
> For example, changing a fan or cleaning coils doesn't require
> recovery. Recovery units are only used for some types of repairs,
> your unit may not have needed recovery.
>
> What kind of repair are we talking about? The firms may well have
> been correct, that they didn't need a recovery unit.
>
Sorry, I guess I edited that important information out of my original text. They
were on site to leak test using pressurized nitrogen, and possibly install a new
evaporator coil, on a three ton unit. Each HVAC technician arrived without a
freon recovery unit, ready to vent around 10-13 pounds of Freon into the
atmosphere if it hadn't been for my intervention, which was surprising to me.
Phillip Peters
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> In article <BL167.190902$Md.41...@typhoon.southeast.rr.com>, "herman
> standiford" <hstan...@sc.rr.com> writes:
>
> >Is there anyone in this group that has first hand knowledge of anyone being
> >fined by the EPA for venting Freon or collecting the $10000.oo reward. Not I
> >know someone that knew someone that knew someone's cousin's brother that was
> >fined.
> >Herman
>
> There are two in Cincinnati but could only find the article about one.
>
>
> Here's one in Cincinnati
>
> EPA Refrigerant Regulations Enforcement Newsletter
>
Here's another one from where I am located, in the City of New York. Probably
the most well-publicized case, and largest subsequent fine, of its kind.
_________________________
HVAC/R Industry News - Regulatory Issues EPA Sues New York City For Five Years
of Refrigerant Regulation Violations at $27,500 per day!
Release Date: 3/29/1999
Source: Robert Johnson, Environmental Support Solutions, Inc.
The United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), announced that the
Federal Government filed a civil suit today against the City of New York and the
New York City Department of Sanitation charging that they have been in
continuous violation since 1992 of the Clean Air Act by knowingly releasing
ozone-depleting substances such as chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) into the
environment when disposing of appliances.
According to the Government's Complaint, the defendants have been violating
Section 608 not removing refrigerants, which contain ozone-depleting substances
regulated by Section 608, nor do they verify that refrigerants were previously
removed from the appliances.
The federal government is also charging that the defendants have been in
continuous violation since March 25, 1994 of a compliance order issued by EPA to
discontinue their improper disposal practices. With the issuance of the
Complaint, the Government seeks to prohibit the defendants from continuing to
violate the law, and seeks civil penalties of up to $27,500 per day for the past
violations of Section 608, its implementing regulations and the compliance
order.
EPA stated that: "This lawsuit exemplifies the federal government's commitment
to enforce the laws and regulations enacted to protect the crucial stratospheric
ozone layer, to ensure compliance with the nation's environmental laws."
EPA also stated that: "It is imperative that the City of New York and the
Department of Sanitation properly handle the collection and disposal of
appliances containing CFCs and other chemicals identified as major causes of
ozone depletion. Given the City's failure to properly address this important
issue in the past, the federal government felt it necessary to pursue this legal
action, and expects that it will result in increased environmental awareness on
the part of City administrators."
Section 608 of the Clean Air Act was enacted in 1990 to protect the layer of
stratospheric ozone that shields the earth from harmful UV-B radiation from the
sun that may cause skin cancers, cataracts and other harmful conditions. An
increase in the amount of UV-B radiation that reaches the earth is also
associated with global warming. Section 608, which regulates emissions of
substances such as CFCs, seeks to significantly reduce the release of substances
that might deplete the ozone layer.
Bill
<ft...@usl.com> wrote:
> Nope, I personally have never know any one to be fined, caught or get
> a reward for turning someone in.
>
> Mike
> UA local 370
FYI- No one has made a dime turning people in. The "reward" section is
unfunded and looks to remain so. Got that from a lawyer who was in europe
for the kyoto mess.
He said the reason the europeans want us to sign the Kyoto BS is so they
can sell us "enviromental Products". It's all about the money. They got
stupid in the head and we walked out on them.
The talk about global warming is BS. Look at ashrae's or ACCA's older books
for design temps, they are lower lower than back then.
The new ice age we were gonna get for a "fact" in the 70's should cancel
out the inferno the wacko's say we are gonna get now.
ftwandbushtoo
Good job phillip keep a sharp eye on those guys, our future depends on
it.
Mike
UA local 370
Bill
<ft...@usl.com> wrote:
Don't tell me you believe the wacko's?
Greg O
> Sorry, I guess I edited that important information out of my original
text. They
> were on site to leak test using pressurized nitrogen, and possibly install
a new
> evaporator coil, on a three ton unit. Each HVAC technician arrived without
a
> freon recovery unit, ready to vent around 10-13 pounds of Freon into the
> atmosphere if it hadn't been for my intervention, which was surprising to
me.
>
Next time get a video camera, and send the tape to the EPA!
Greg
Don Ocean
ftwandbushtoo
wrote:
No there not much of what you say that I believe.
Vicki
most recent violations and fines. Part of selling their
compliance software.
Vicki
Bill wrote:
>
> FYI- No one has made a dime turning people in. The "reward" section is
> unfunded and looks to remain so. Got that from a lawyer who was in europe
> for the kyoto mess.
> He said the reason the europeans want us to sign the Kyoto BS is so they
> can sell us "enviromental Products". It's all about the money. They got
> stupid in the head and we walked out on them.
I think they are called pollution credits, or credits of
some sort. We buy them from third world countries who don't
produce much carbon dioxide anyway, to cover the amount we
produce in order to be able to still produce the same
amount. It's robbing Peter to pay Paul -- doesn't really
accomplish anything except to make the mouthbreathers feel
good and redistribute wealth to other countries (mandatory
foreign aid.)
Vicki
Me
of these ungrateful bastards over there who don't appreciate what we have
done for them in all these years. Maybe Hitler should have had them for
about a year or two and see what their attitude would be towards us then !
Hell, we bailed out England, France, Poland, Germany, Africa and even China
! To hell with all of them !
They want to control Global Warming then they should start by not pissing us
off so we don't nuke there ass's.
"Don't Tread on ME !"
Rich
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Steve's Account
>
>"EPA's mission is to protect human health and the environment," said
>Margaret Guerriero, acting director of the regional Air and Radiation
>Division. "We will take whatever steps are necessary to ensure compliance
So.. if you dump your old freezer on the EPA's doorstep in the
middle of the night... they will "do the right thing"? humm... I bet the
fine for illegal dumping is much less than the fine for improperly disposing
of .... :-)
(Can you imagine 5000 old fridges sitting in their evidence locker? :-))
Steve
HVACMAN
that would be getting if not for people like Phillip... Maybe the hard-on you have
for Mike is affecting you reading and comprehension skills??
Bill wrote:
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ftwandbushtoo
skills. Its quite obvious he does not. The hard on he has for me
does little except to leave a stain on his shorts which probably
excites the moron.
Mike
UA local 370
On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 19:39:28 -0500, HVACMAN <"hv"@cm...@uswest.net>
wrote:
J. S. Nunes
<majorly snipped>
> The hard on he has for me
> does little except to leave a stain on his shorts which probably
> excites the moron.
Seems like if he has one, he better spit it out, it doesn't belong to him
Bill
(Steve's Account) wrote:
That's funny. I think we should pass this idea around.
Bill
<"hv"@cm...@uswest.net> wrote:
> He was referring to the fact that law-abiding techs need the work that
hacks like
> that would be getting if not for people like Phillip... Maybe the hard-on
you have
> for Mike is affecting you reading and comprehension skills??
Could be. I'll quit thinking and typing at the same time.
Bill
<ft...@usl.com> wrote:
> Your assuming that douche bag Bill has reading and comprehension
> skills. Its quite obvious he does not. The hard on he has for me
> does little except to leave a stain on his shorts which probably
> excites the moron.
>
> Mike
> UA local 370
Someone piss in your oatmeal again?
ftwandbushtoo
LOL
ftwandbushtoo
wrote:
I not as poverty stricken as you and oatmeal is not one of my staples.
Mike
UA local 370
RSCamero
<hstan...@sc.rr.com> wrote:
>Is there anyone in this group that has first hand knowledge of anyone being
>fined by the EPA for venting Freon or collecting the $10000.oo reward. Not I
>know someone that knew someone that knew someone's cousin's brother that was
>fined.
>Herman
I kind of remember an ASHRAE article about a company that got nailed
by the EPA for venting. It was probably around 93' or 94'. Either
way the only way I can see for someone getting convicted would be if
they were video taped and the venting had a significant amount of
liquid being let loose.
...Ron
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Just acquired. more info as I tear into her.
1968 Camaro RS -
Running much nicer now. Thank you Barry Grant
Soon to be terrorizing imports everywhere.
blowthecharge
>> I have turned away two New York City HVAC firms - on site to repair
>my
>> residential Air-conditioning unit - after my request for the use
>of a
>Freon
>> recovery unit was denied.
>>
>> Simple question, isn't the usage of Freon recovery units mandated
>by law
>as part
>> of EPA Freon recovery certification and licensing? And, isn't
>the
>non-usage of
>> Freon recovery units in commercial, and residential applications
>against
>the
>> Clean Air Act of 1992?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>
>
>The EPA has a $25,000.00 fine per 2.5 pounds of freon for not using
>the
>recovery equipment if freon is to be removed for any reason. The
>EPA has a
>$10,000.00 bounty for reporting any hvac person not using the recovery
>equipment and venting the freon to the air.
>
>If they do not want to abide by the EPA rule or laws on request
>. Tell them
>to hit the road .
>
>TURTLE
>
repair. Why should waste time recovering when all the global
warming data has been proven as suspect?
>
>
MechAcc
> Is there anyone in this group that has first hand knowledge of anyone being
> fined by the EPA for venting Freon or collecting the $10000.oo reward. Not I
> know someone that knew someone that knew someone's cousin's brother that was
> fined.
> Herman
No. However The HVACR NEWS has posted articles of names of companies
and individuals from time to time that have been fined.
Vicki
do with greenhouse warming.
Gary R. Lloyd
> Because you are a cretin. Ozone destruction has nothing to
>do with greenhouse warming.
While this is true, I would say that politics and junk science go hand
in hand. It's about money and control, and little else, although there
is usually some small element of grossly exagerated truth.
However, I would never admit to using a cardboard recovery unit...LOL
Gary
Gary R. Lloyd
case scenario, would be equivalent to moving 92 miles to the south
from your present location. Not exactly an 'end of the world'
scenario.
In the meantime, the bottom line effect, i.e. overall increase in
ground level UV, just simply hasn't materialized. Proponents are still
pointing to the highly questionable 'ozone hole' as their proof.
But let's suppose it is all true. The reasonable "cure" would be to
phase out the suspect refrigerants at the equipment manufacturing
and/or refrigerant manufacturing level, and nothing else. The rest is
about money and control, or in other words, politics.
Gary
Don Ocean
the small jobs..... Perfectly legal to my knowledge. $35.00 for 2 bags...
Then back at shop recover to cylinder.
Don Ocean
Sioux Falls, SD
PS I like that cardboard box idea....;-)
Don Ocean
of discussion up on alt.hvac!
What should we watch tonite? All star Wrestling or alt.hvac?
***This is really great advertisement for our trade....The general public
gets***
***see us as we really
are!! ***
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do not know of a source. It would be nice to have, now and again.
--
Christopher A. Young
We survived Y2K, but will we survive Y2C?
This Y2C is what they are enduring in California: Survivalist
situations caused by the government regulating business and
preventing the free market forces from working.
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Bill
> Joe: Marge the A/C guy can't get here for another week. He is in some kind
> of discussion up on alt.hvac!
>
> What should we watch tonite? All star Wrestling or alt.hvac?
>
> ***This is really great advertisement for our trade....The general public
> gets***
> ***see us as we really
> are!!
***
I prefer alt.hvac to wrestling.
Razzing Mike is lots more fun.
Work is work but alt.hvac is a place to learn things, bitch about whatever,
razz Mike, argue the fine points of the trade and hang out.
The general public is clueless as a rule what our jobs entail.
They are interested in the results.
This place is primarily for us associated with the trade and visitors are
welcome.
Whatever they want to think is fine.
Don Ocean
Dey appliance.... I will get the name of the bag manufacturer
and post it later.
Don Ocean
Sioux Falls, SD
