disconnect melted
elisha....@verizon.net
morning I woke to the smell of melting plastic and a loud pop. Turns
out the disconnect box on the AC has completely melted... can't even
take the handle out. I'm having someone out to repair it today, but
wanted to know if this is common and what I should expect from the
company which installed it. The disconnect is a square d fs222r series
f1. Thanks!
Oscar_Lives
<elisha....@verizon.net> wrote in message
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This is common when there is a problem.
You should expect the installing company to properly diagnose the problem,
give you an estimate for the charges, and repair all the issues found
properly upon your authorization to proceed.
Noon-Air
Square D is not known for having the highest quality A/C disconnects.
Siemens or GE disconnect boxes that take a standard home-line type
breaker(sized for the unit) is the prefered disconnect.
Stormin Mormon
--
Christopher A. Young
Do good work.
It's longer in the short run
but shorter in the long run.
.
.
<elisha....@verizon.net> wrote in message
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elisha....@verizon.net
www.math.umd.edu/~peterson/melted.jpg
CBHVAC
"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Wow, I've never heard of such. Wonder what drew so much current?
>
> --
If you have no clue, WHY did you bother posting?
But then, you have only seen what? 4 units total?
.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
>Here's a picture of it:
>www.math.umd.edu/~peterson/melted.jpg
Nothing a little bondo won't fix.
Which part of 'this is not a homeowner forum' did you find
hard to comprehend ?
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> D is far superior to anything GE makes. I'm amazed your crystal ball
> is so revealing it illuminates all of the finer details of the OP's
> situation.
I guess I should have been more specific and stated that my experience is
that the Square D "QO" discos are a piece of shit
Noon-Air
<elisha....@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Yup... those are even cheaper than the QO discos.
.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
wrote:
>
>"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:0DAnf.39515$ME5....@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>> Wow, I've never heard of such. Wonder what drew so much current?
>>
>> --
>
>If you have no clue, WHY did you bother posting?
>But then, you have only seen what? 4 units total?
And those from the window of his Pinto as he drove down the
street.
What a fucking maroon.
>
>>
>> Christopher A. Young
>> Do good work.
>> It's longer in the short run
>> but shorter in the long run.
>> .
>> .
>>
>>
>> <elisha....@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:1134479356....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>> I had a new AC/heat pump system installed about 2 years ago, and this
>> morning I woke to the smell of melting plastic and a loud pop. Turns
>> out the disconnect box on the AC has completely melted... can't even
>> take the handle out. I'm having someone out to repair it today, but
>> wanted to know if this is common and what I should expect from the
>> company which installed it. The disconnect is a square d fs222r series
>> f1. Thanks!
>>
>>
>
--
margarita
> hard to comprehend ?
hey ASSWIPE
did you not get my post a few weeks ago?
as founder of alt.hvac, I changed it to a homeowner forum earlier this year
so go fuck yourself, gay boy
go see that faggot western that is out now, it is about your speed
cheers!
alt.hvac founder
PrecisionMachinisT
>
IMO, these are NOT a switch, but are instead meant as a "personal safety
device".....in other words, one should rightfully shut off / on at the
supply breaker instead....thus using the disco only as a sort of "lockout
device" for in the case some bozo might decide to flip the breaker back on
while your outside working on the unit....
At the very least, suggest deactivate your LV compressor call before
reinstalling the pullout--because if the pullout is re-installed while the
LV circuit is active, then much arcing will often occur...this due to
momentary compressor draw at locked rotor amperage and heavy inrush current
upon any motor startup in general.....causing carbon deposition,
embrittlement of the contacts, etc--all leading up to an eventual
catastrophic failure of many of the "pullout type" disconnects....
( That else don't be a cheap assed tightwad--instead, install a good quality
fused disconnect that has a "slot machine" type handle in the first
place )...
Bottom line here being--IF I hadda hazard a guess as to why these things so
often fail, I'd have to say it's probly cause of folks ( Techs and
Homeowners alike ) mistakenly using them as though they were a "switch"...
--
SVL
.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
<precision...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Bottom line here being--IF I hadda hazard a guess as to why these things so
>often fail, I'd have to say it's probly cause of folks ( Techs and
>Homeowners alike ) mistakenly using them as though they were a "switch"...
Because they're cheap-assed shit is why.
But IMO the most common reason for failure is probably loose /
bad connections, followed in frequency by the spring clips getting
weak / corroded.
Oscar_Lives
<elisha....@verizon.net> wrote in message
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It looks melted to me.
likealake@iname.com Bubba
>Here's a picture of it:
>www.math.umd.edu/~peterson/melted.jpg
I dont get it? You mean they AREN'T supposed to look like that?
Shit! What have I been doing wrong all these years?
Bubba
PrecisionMachinisT
<.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:35:21 -0800, "PrecisionMachinisT"
> <precision...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Bottom line here being--IF I hadda hazard a guess as to why these things
so
> >often fail, I'd have to say it's probly cause of folks ( Techs and
> >Homeowners alike ) mistakenly using them as though they were a
"switch"...
>
> Because they're cheap-assed shit is why.
>
Oh, I agree fully on this !!!
>
> But IMO the most common reason for failure is probably loose /
> bad connections, followed in frequency by the spring clips getting
> weak / corroded.
>
The latter probly most often being caused by plugging the pullout back in
with the load attached...so as long as your counting "connections" as being
not only the conductor terminations then appears we fully agree here.
Way I see it, with a "lever thrown safety switch", the mechanism is spring
loaded, the blades literally being forcefully launched into the closed
position, there's no hesitation, no fucking around like a retard trying to
decide if ya REALLY wanna throw it or not, cause once you bring it
over-center, its GONNA make--allowing very little time in which for any
arcing to occur that would cause over heating, burning, carbon, etc...and IF
something is seriously wrong, then a properly sized overcurrent device will
trip...
===
OTOH: You gotta be pretty damned quick and precise with a pullout, cause if
you nerd out then your gonna get whole bunches of bzzzt zzztt here and also
clickety clacking noises at the unit, possibly even tripping the breaker,
blowing a fuse or even damaging the compressor--all especially easy to do if
the damned cheap disco was already 1/2 way melted down to begin with.
--
SVL
Stormin Mormon
Hey, that looks like something got hot in just one place. Still, that
disconnect has got to go.
--
Christopher A. Young
Do good work.
It's longer in the short run
but shorter in the long run.
.
.
<elisha....@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Vicki Szaszvari
Vicki
Tekkie®
I don't top post - see either inline or at bottom.
Only ONE solution - a MeltDownBooster®
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I said I don't know and I don't care...
Tekkie
Cooltemp Industries
margarita wrote:
> go see that faggot western that is out now, it is about your speed
So tell us.
Did you like it even better the second time you saw it?
Jake
> I beg to differ Mr. Noon. With correct application & sizing, Square
> D is far superior to anything GE makes. I'm amazed your crystal ball
> is so revealing it illuminates all of the finer details of the OP's
> situation.
I agree. GE stuff is a Siemens knock-off, so it might as well be
Siemens... and that stuff is crap, IMO.
SQD distribution equipment is the best you're gonna get.
There are about a million different part numbers for SQO disconnects,
and I (admittedly) didn't' research the OP's disco... as the cause of
failure is fairly obvious...
Hey... a loose lug there, kiddos.... pure and simple. A single phase
doesn't do that unless it's hot (just like Paul said).
BTW, I've seen this happen A LOT on improper CO/AL transitions... so be
careful there....
Jake
PrecisionMachinisT
"Jake" <jkel...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:v3Nnf.402850$084.86370@attbi_s22...
Dunno, I got one of that exact same model here on my desk....Cutler
Hammer....So I do know exactly how its laid out internally.
Melted areas in her photo are near the line and load side of the same fuse,
seems kinda odd in that....Also, the lower burned area appears to too far
inboard to be the lug...instead, rather looks to be the fuse clip itself got
really hot at the load end.
And so in actuality looks me like someone mighta stuck in a piece of copper
tube in place of a fuse in that particular one, and the tube was too small
to make good contact with the fuse clips to me.
Perhaps if I sweet talk her, she might post another picture of it with the
cover removed.
BTW : You have mail.
--
SVL
CBHVAC
> Great outdoor pics.
>
> Hey, that looks like something got hot in just one place. Still, that
> disconnect has got to go.
>
> --
And the sad thing is, you aint got a clue whats behind that panel.
.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
wrote:
>
>"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:BnKnf.43991$ME5...@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>> Great outdoor pics.
>>
>> Hey, that looks like something got hot in just one place. Still, that
>> disconnect has got to go.
>>
>> --
>
>And the sad thing is, you aint got a clue whats behind that panel.
If Stormy got to 'work' on it, the answer when he was done
would be 'big red wirenuts'.
TURTLE
.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:56:49 -0500, "CBHVAC" <inac...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:0DAnf.39515$ME5....@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> >> Wow, I've never heard of such. Wonder what drew so much current?
> >>
> >> --
> >
> >If you have no clue, WHY did you bother posting?
> >But then, you have only seen what? 4 units total?
>
> And those from the window of his Pinto as he drove down the
> street.
>
> What a fucking maroon.
>
This is Turtle.
then as Paul looks out of his trailor house kitchen window and cried
out to Stormy and said " You Moron Stormy, i have a 1987 Chevy Truck
and much better than your Ford Pinto". Then CB drives up and ask Paul "
What's up Boss".
TURTLE
TURTLE
they do use them as switches too , but the biggest killers of this
disconnect is when it was installed they did not tighten down the
connection power lugs and they just burn off.
TURTLE
Bill
ftwhd <ft...@home.com> wrote:
> > Which part of 'this is not a homeowner forum' did you find
> >hard to comprehend ?
> >
> > POST IN ALT.HOME.REPAIR !!!!!
>
The steward bitch slapping you again mikey?
--
Paul's cat got a furball and kept saying weasel's name.
*Hack* *Hack* *hack*
Bill
"TURTLE" <hvact...@gmail.com> wrote:
Nice of you to regurgitate Jakes post weasel.
Must have been something else you didn't know. lol
TURTLE
Bill wrote:
> In article <1134576284.6...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
> "TURTLE" <hvact...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This is Turtle.
> >
> > they do use them as switches too , but the biggest killers of this
> > disconnect is when it was installed they did not tighten down the
> > connection power lugs and they just burn off.
> >
> > TURTLE
>
> Nice of you to regurgitate Jakes post weasel.
>
> Must have been something else you didn't know. lol
>
This is Turtle
ScunBill , there is lots of things that I don't know but you will not
ask because it might make you look like a dumb ass.
Oh, one thing here that you my have not been able to figure out. i was
not talking to you but was talking to someone who has a brain and knows
how to use it. scumbill try to keep up with the conversation here and
not fall behind too far.
TURTLE
B-Hate-Me
<elisha....@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>I had a new AC/heat pump system installed about 2 years ago, and this
> morning I woke to the smell of melting plastic and a loud pop. Turns
> out the disconnect box on the AC has completely melted... can't even
> take the handle out. I'm having someone out to repair it today, but
> wanted to know if this is common and what I should expect from the
> company which installed it. The disconnect is a square d fs222r series
> f1. Thanks!
>
Get the Vaseline out and lube up your ass.
Ted
of this newsgroup. We know your not very bright but try to read the room -
OK?
likealake@iname.com Bubba
Thanks Ted. Id have never gotten through the day without your
guidance. Now get up off your knees and wipe off your chin. Now go
clean my pool. After that, trim the shrubs. Then go home to your shack
and be back before sunlight (my bitch).
Bubba
Bill
"TURTLE" <hvact...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is Turtle
>
> ScunBill , there is lots of things that I don't know but you will not
> ask because it might make you look like a dumb ass.
How does your being ignorant and a hack make me a dumb-ass?
Put on your thinking cap weasel. You can figure this out.
>
> Oh, one thing here that you my have not been able to figure out. i was
> not talking to you but was talking to someone who has a brain and knows
> how to use it. scumbill try to keep up with the conversation here and
> not fall behind too far.
You were regurgitating Jake's post so you can join in and appear to know
something. You're talking out of both sides of your mouth again weasel.
Jake
> "Jake" <jkel...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
> news:v3Nnf.402850$084.86370@attbi_s22...
>
>>>I beg to differ Mr. Noon. With correct application & sizing, Square
>>>D is far superior to anything GE makes. I'm amazed your crystal ball
>>>is so revealing it illuminates all of the finer details of the OP's
>>>situation.
>>
>>I agree. GE stuff is a Siemens knock-off, so it might as well be
>>Siemens... and that stuff is crap, IMO.
>>
>>SQD distribution equipment is the best you're gonna get.
>>
>>There are about a million different part numbers for SQO disconnects,
>>and I (admittedly) didn't' research the OP's disco... as the cause of
>>failure is fairly obvious...
>>
>>Hey... a loose lug there, kiddos.... pure and simple. A single phase
>>doesn't do that unless it's hot (just like Paul said).
>>
>>BTW, I've seen this happen A LOT on improper CO/AL transitions... so be
>>careful there....
>>
>
>
> Dunno, I got one of that exact same model here on my desk....Cutler
> Hammer....So I do know exactly how its laid out internally.
C/H disco's are Siemens (or visa-versa) knock-offs too. Crap, IMO.
Sam... That's a valid (if obsolete) SQD part number. It is NOT a QO
series disco, BTW.... you forced me to look it up (-;.
This model has had a PSN (Product Safety Notice) issued on it... the
text of which I'll post in the next message for those interested.
> Melted areas in her photo are near the line and load side of the same fuse,
> seems kinda odd in that....Also, the lower burned area appears to too far
> inboard to be the lug...instead, rather looks to be the fuse clip itself got
> really hot at the load end.
Clips will naturally get hot and expand outward as a lug heats up, which
exacerbates other problems.
Also, it is certainly possible someone installed the wrong fuse body in
the thing, or did the copper pipe bit.
Blade fuses are the best, IMO.
Jake
Jake
with a group of air
conditioning disconnect(pullout type) models. The possible problem deals
with the pullout
head of disconnects manufactured between Jan. 1 1994 to Aug. 13. 1995.
It was found that a
crack may be present in the molded material which could result in a
separation of the current
carrying blade and the handle of the disconnect. If the separation
indeed occurs it is possible
that the equipment would appear to be de-energized when it is not. This
could result in severe
electrical shock or burn. (If a separation is present, be sure to
energize the circuit by
turning off the power to the unit before attempting any repair.)
The following disconnects are involved:
Catalog No., Series No., Product Code No.
FS221R, Series F1 20828
FS222R, Series F1 20829
FS222R, Series F1 89420
FS221RCP, Series F1 11893
FS222RCP, Series F1 11894
UFS222RCP, Series F1 44072
The date of manufacture can be determined from a date code stamp either
on the exterior
cardboard carton or on the actual disconnect. Cartons with date codes
between and including
"A01C" and H18D" must be returned to Square D. The actual disconnect
date stamp can be found
on the exterior bottom end wall of the enclosure. Those disconnects
marked between and including
"F401="and "F533=" must be returned also.
If any of these disconnects are on you shelves or have been installed,
notify your local Square D distributor.
TURTLE
I don't remember dancing in the QO Discos but a lot in the houston ,
Texas Places like Mikey Gilly place on Spencer High way.
TURTLE
TURTLE
Bill wrote:
> In article <1134586857.6...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
> "TURTLE" <hvact...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > This is Turtle
> >
> > ScunBill , there is lots of things that I don't know but you will not
> > ask because it might make you look like a dumb ass.
>
> How does your being ignorant and a hack make me a dumb-ass?
>
> Put on your thinking cap weasel. You can figure this out.
>
This is Turtle.
first before I start being ignorant is not bad at all for all here is
ignorant about something in this world and i say for sure I'm Ignorant
about somethings.
Your a Dumbass because you spend a lot of time telling a old country
boy about his inabilitys to operate a business that he has run for 40 +
Years and looking now to retire at. You feel the need waist your
$100.00 a hour valuable time to flame this unknowing hvac business
owner and to tell the internet world that he is a hack of some kind by
your words. scumbill your words may have ment something a year or so
back but now your locked in the same possion as am with you as trolls.
i brought you to this possion of being a troll by bring you to be a
troll with me. you was dumb enough to follow me and your a troll now.
So Scumbill your in trollville with me as being a troll. OH , CB is in
here with us too. Enjoy.
TURTLE
TURTLE
Try to take it easy on Ted for he has never had a monent of glory in
his life and need one here to excell to that point for just one minute.
By you knocking him down like this he will have to settle for spending
the nite over at Paul trailor before going home to Scumbill's house
where he lives with Scumbill and is the Yard Boy.
TURTLE
Bill
"TURTLE" <hvact...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > How does your being ignorant and a hack make me a dumb-ass?
> >
> > Put on your thinking cap weasel. You can figure this out.
> >
>
> This is Turtle.
> Your a Dumbass because you spend a lot of time telling a old country
> boy about his inabilitys to operate a business that he has run for 40 +
> Years and looking now to retire at.
weasel you don't have a business. You're an under the radar hack.
According to you, you've done HVAC since 6 years old. We all know that's
bullshit. And that you also claim you worked in the oil field for 10+
years, etc.
weasel go tell your bullshit to somebody who doesn't know you are a
hack. Tell the IRS you've ran a business that long. I'm sure they'd be
interested.
When you finally get away from our trade it'll make the whole industry
that much better.
Still avoiding answering the oil and refrigerant question weasel?
You are such a predictable ass.
Noon-Air
<gof...@gonefishin.net> wrote in message
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> pullout for an ac disco?
MAybe not in their right mind, but its common place for the jackleggs,
hacks, and spec house builders around here.
PrecisionMachinisT
> PrecisionMachinisT wrote:
> >
> > Dunno, I got one of that exact same model here on my desk....Cutler
> > Hammer....So I do know exactly how its laid out internally.
>
> C/H disco's are Siemens (or visa-versa) knock-offs too. Crap, IMO.
>
> Sam... That's a valid (if obsolete) SQD part number. It is NOT a QO
> series disco, BTW.... you forced me to look it up (-;.
>
> This model has had a PSN (Product Safety Notice) issued on it... the
> text of which I'll post in the next message for those interested.
>
> > Melted areas in her photo are near the line and load side of the same
fuse,
> > seems kinda odd in that....Also, the lower burned area appears to too
far
> > inboard to be the lug...instead, rather looks to be the fuse clip itself
got
> > really hot at the load end.
>
> Clips will naturally get hot and expand outward as a lug heats up, which
> exacerbates other problems.
>
> Also, it is certainly possible someone installed the wrong fuse body in
> the thing, or did the copper pipe bit.
>
> Blade fuses are the best, IMO.
>
> Jake
>
Jake,
Thx...actuallt I had the indentical unit on the shelf, last one I
got--replaced with like in kind.....
Like I say, this one had gone bad where the pullout blades fit into the
unit.
Properly torqued terminal screws, etc on both--guess I'll keep an eye on it
then--maybe probe with a laser thermometer every so often..
..BUT..
I'm NOT gonna use it as though it were a frickin switch anymore !!!
--
SVL
PrecisionMachinisT
"TURTLE" <hvact...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1134576284.6...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Uhhmmm...
Not that it's all about "taking sides", but just a heads up to let you ( and
everyone else ) know...appears you're apparently taking Paul's position as
opposed to mine here...
<G>
--
SVL
PrecisionMachinisT
>
> Bill wrote:
> > In article <1134586857.6...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
> > "TURTLE" <hvact...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > This is Turtle
> > >
> > > ScunBill , there is lots of things that I don't know but you will not
> > > ask because it might make you look like a dumb ass.
> >
> > How does your being ignorant and a hack make me a dumb-ass?
> >
> > Put on your thinking cap weasel. You can figure this out.
> >
>
> This is Turtle.
>
> first before I start being ignorant is not bad at all for all here is
> ignorant about something in this world and i say for sure I'm Ignorant
> about somethings.
>
Before I bought the new transformer, I tried putting 2 of them in parallel.
First try, I got like 52 vac....so I swapped my output leads, and got like
only 3 vac difference.
Hooked them up as R and C, but still I got a buzzing relay.....
This a pair of .1 kva transformers, so appreciate you would do the math and
then get back to me--I have my own suspicions, but would like some
independant backup to help me verify.
--
SVL
.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
That one's gonna leave a mark... I'm just not sure 'on who ?
' :-)
PrecisionMachinisT
<.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
news:qf02q1hpnkc53vqpk...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:34:18 -0800, "PrecisionMachinisT"
> <precision...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"TURTLE" <hvact...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:1134576284.6...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> >> This is Turtle.
> >>
> >> they do use them as switches too , but the biggest killers of this
> >> disconnect is when it was installed they did not tighten down the
> >> connection power lugs and they just burn off.
> >>
> >
> >Uhhmmm...
> >
> >Not that it's all about "taking sides", but just a heads up to let you
( and
> >everyone else ) know...appears you're apparently taking Paul's position
as
> >opposed to mine here...
> >
> ><G>
>
> That one's gonna leave a mark... I'm just not sure 'on who ?
> ' :-)
>
Yup--I actually had to think it through twice myself, before actually
posting....
--
SVL
TURTLE
No Your possion was the thing being used as a switch.
paul said it was a bad connection or corroided connection on the
blades.
Your pission is it being used as a switch !
Mine was they did not tighten up the lug on the wire connectors when
they installed it.
Now if I read you right your saing here that I should go read what
everybody else has said before i speak out what I think it is. if i
wanted to get help with a answer , i would real all but if i don't need
no help. i will just post what i think and just forget what Paul the
Asshole had to say. i post what i think and what Paul thinks is his
thouights only and no business of mine.
Yes Paul the mark is on you for expecting everybody to read your post
and agree with what you write. sorry but i don't care to take the time
to read all bullshit.
TURTLE
~^Johnny^~
>I don't remember dancing in the QO Discos but a lot in the houston ,
>Texas Places like Mikey Gilly place on Spencer High way.
They Sqauare dance to tunes in the key of D.
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-john
wide-open at throttle dot info
~^Johnny^~
wrote:
>And the sad thing is, you aint got a clue whats behind that panel.
I'd rather know what's behind the curtain Carol is showing me.
TURTLE
With the Key of D everything started off with DO ME !
TURTLE
PrecisionMechanical
"~^Johnny^~" <nos...@gyrogearloose.com> wrote in message
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> On 14 Dec 2005 18:58:47 -0800, "TURTLE" <hvact...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I don't remember dancing in the QO Discos but a lot in the houston ,
> >Texas Places like Mikey Gilly place on Spencer High way.
>
> They Sqauare dance to tunes in the key of D.
>
Yeah, but they're in C# by the time the song finishes unless you get someone
to keep the Victorola fully wound...
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SVL
~^Johnny^~
>This is Turtle.
>
>With the Key of D everything started off with DO ME !
SO?
Stormin Mormon
if he goes into the killfile. This is one message, of one. No substance, all
flame.
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You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
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Stormin Mormon
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You have to starve them.
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