Payne Air Conditioning Units...any good?

[Dtanyol]

Hi there...
My mom was offered a quote on the installation of a new Payne Air Conditioner,
and I was wondering if anyone has had any good or bad experiences with
particular Payne central air conditioning units... (Unfortunately, the
contractor did not name a particular model number, so I don't know the model.)
Since nobody in the family has ever heard of Payne, we just wanted to get an
idea of whether this company has a good/bad history, or if certain units should
be avoided (and WHY, if you know).

Thanks a lot!
-D

[doc]

Dtanyol wrote:

It's a Carrier brand

[Arthur]

I would suggest three quotes with three referrals from each of the dealers.
You can call the referrals & see what their experiences were. Would they buy
from that dealer again?
A good contractor with a good installation is very important. I am sure
there are those that would swear by Payne but my choice would be "American
Standard/Trane, Lennox, & Carrier with warranties & a good installation.
Part of the survey should be a "Load Calculation". If I didn't get a load
calculation & a model of what they propose then a Red Flag would go up. You
might want try access my website for info that may help www.arthurhewett.com
Arthur

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[hvacma'am]

I have one on my house. Run the opposite direction. The minute I
have a good excuse, like a bad heat exchanger or compressor, I'll
replace it with a REAL unit -- Trane/American Standard.

Vicki

[richard bartlett]

wait till the Japanese get into this market..then you can have a 'real' unit
designed in this millennium!!

just think a quality product sitting just outside in the garden -not like
that 'union made' crap' !!

this shows you were a real connoisseur of air conditioning and demand a high
quality product -not a 'cheap skate any old junk will do' type....

cheers

richard

"hvacma'am" <vickin...@usa.net> wrote in message
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[profft]

Payne is really a good unit, I sell a helluva lot of them and haven't had
any more trouble out of them than any other brand. It's no frills for sure,
but if you don't care about warranties beyond 5years on the compressor and 1
year all other parts then you can't beat it on price.

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[lukesdaddy]

dta...@aol.comNOSPAM (Dtanyol) wrote in message news:<20020809232942...@mb-da.aol.com>...

Payne is the choice of fly by nighters and moonlighters in my area.

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On 11 Aug 2002 12:59:46 -0700, leeann_...@hotmail.com (lukesdaddy)
wrote:

>
>Payne is the choice of fly by nighters and moonlighters in my area.

It suits their slogan 'We bring you Payne ! '

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[BGBevill]

>> Hi there...
>> My mom was offered a quote on the installation of a new Payne Air
>Conditioner,
>> and I was wondering if anyone has had any good or bad experiences with
>> particular Payne central air conditioning units... (Unfortunately, the
>> contractor did not name a particular model number, so I don't know the
>model.)
>> Since nobody in the family has ever heard of Payne, we just wanted to get
>an
>> idea of whether this company has a good/bad history, or if certain units
>should
>> be avoided (and WHY, if you know).
>>
>> Thanks a lot!
>> -D
>
>Payne is the choice of fly by nighters and moonlighters in my area.
>

Could be. Payne is cousin to a Carrier. Our local Carrier distributor won't
sell Carrier to just anyone, but all you have to do to get a Payne is pay cash
and have a truck to haul it in. Seriously though, a Payne properly installed
will cool as good as any.

Bobby

[profft]

That doesn't make it any less a good unit.

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<snip>

[profft]

"BGBevill" <bgbe...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
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<snip>

>>Payne is the choice of fly by nighters and moonlighters in my area.
>
>
> Could be. Payne is cousin to a Carrier. Our local Carrier distributor
won't
> sell Carrier to just anyone, but all you have to do to get a Payne is pay
cash
> and have a truck to haul it in. Seriously though, a Payne properly
installed
> will cool as good as any.
>
> Bobby

Definatly, I'd take a Payne over Junkitrol, Goodman, or Lennox anyday,
anyway.

[hvacma'am]

DITTO.

Vicki

[Bubba]

On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 02:35:22 GMT, "profft" <f.ta...@verizon.net>
wrote:

Uh huh. Agreed. All just cheapo versions. I dont know what to call the
Lummox though? :-)
Bubba

[Dtanyol]

Thanks everybody for your advice about Payne units... I'm getting a lot of good
(if contradictory!) information. Does anyone have any recommendations about a
relatively inexpensive but perhaps "better" (more reliable) unit?

The Payne bid my mom got was for a unit (model unknown) that would cost $1700
and would have a 5-year compressor warranty and a 2-year parts and labor
warranty. The unit is needed to cool the 2nd and 3rd floors of a big ol' house
in Penna (4 bedrooms).

And, while I'm asking dumb questions, what's a load calculation, and how does
it relate? I'm assuming it has to do with the number of rooms that need
cooling, right?

Any advice greatly appreciated. Thanks again!
-Denise

[Bubba]

Payne or any of the others will work as an inexpensive unit. Who and
how it is installed will play a big determination in its lifespan. 5
yr compressor warranty is standard on all units. 1 yr labor is also
usually standard.
A "load calculation" is a process that the installing contractor goes
through before he installs your unit to determine EXACTLY what size
BTU unit that you need to cool your home properly and efficiently. It
is MUCH better than having someone just guess at what they are going
to install. A properly sized unit will make you feel comfortable and
keep your utility bill under control. ( well, something like that
anyways).
Bubba

[profft]

"Bubba" <like...@iname.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 02:35:22 GMT, "profft" <f.ta...@verizon.net>
> wrote:

<snip>

> Uh huh. Agreed. All just cheapo versions. I dont know what to call the
> Lummox though? :-)
> Bubba

Funny that we should mention a frig'n Lummox when up pops a No Heat
today[swear to GOD!] a competitor had been out 3 times and replaced the
Ignion Module on one of those flap door jobbies with delayed trial for
ignition. They had the spark electrode too close to the pilot shield and it
couldn't develop a hot enough spark to ignite the pilot.

I just pulled the pilot and bent the electrode to about the right amount of
gap and wiped off the fllame sensor, now it fires up in 1 second..

[Bubba]

No Heat! My God! Where do you live profft? Alaska? hehe
I want summer to stay.
Bubba

On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:53:52 GMT, "profft" <f.ta...@verizon.net>
wrote:

[profft]

No we had that cooldown with low temps in the 50's last week.

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On 14 Aug 2002 03:40:10 GMT, dta...@aol.comNOSPAM (Dtanyol) wrote:

>Hi Bubba,
>I think I'll take you up on your offer to answer any other questions! I've
>found that the Payne unit that will be installed is a PA10. More important, it
>will replace an existing York unit that is already connected to the house. The
>coil unit indoors will still be an existing old York. There's no problem with
>hooking up a Payne AC unit to sit outside with the York coil unit indoors,
>right? (thanks again)
>
>-Denise

Have they had their shots ?

[Dtanyol]

Hi Bubba,
I think I'll take you up on your offer to answer any other questions! I've
found that the Payne unit that will be installed is a PA10. More important, it
will replace an existing York unit that is already connected to the house. The
coil unit indoors will still be an existing old York. There's no problem with
hooking up a Payne AC unit to sit outside with the York coil unit indoors,
right? (thanks again)

-Denise

>

[Bubba]

Denise,
Well, I didnt say there wouldnt be a problem doing it that
way. Will it work? Yes. Is it a good idea to leave the old indoor coil
with a new outdoor unit? No. Never in my opinion. Mix-matching coils
and units makes it hard to know the exact cooling ability of the
system (sensible/latent and total cooling btu's). You could also wind
up with the indoor coil starting to leak water or freon. Your indoor
coil may also be filthy and covered with all kinda debris. This will
affect cooling and heating performance. Many problems and repeated
service calls can come up which can be quite annoying and expensive
after spending thousand/s on a new outdoor unit. Its just not worth it
to me but Yes, it will work. Its your money.
Bubba

On 14 Aug 2002 03:40:10 GMT, dta...@aol.comNOSPAM (Dtanyol) wrote:

[bg]

I am just a regular home owner, but find out if your moms lineset needs to
be replaced.
Each person who gives you a quote, find out if lineset replacement is part
of the
quote and is necessary.

Before I got my unit, I got 4 quotes. 1 guy never mentioned nor included
the lineset.
1 guy after questioning him several times about a lineset, he said
"absolutely not, its
not needed". 1 guy told me that upfront but he was too expensive and too
snotty.
The last guy told me upfront that a new lineset was needed. Appearently mine
needed
to be changed since it was too small.

It is my understanding (i am just a home owner) that if your lineset is old,
maybe in the
15-20 year range (a guess), it may be the wrong size for todays systems. If
it is the
wrong size they can still hook it up the system will not work as efficient
as it should.

Everyone also told me to replace the compressor and blower in pairs to have
a matching system.

And the last i might add is make sure what they sell you is going to fit
into the
space it will be. 2 out of the 4 quotes I got did not even measure. My
neighbors
contractor brought in a system that would not fit in his closet so he had to
pay the added cost of putting it in the attic.

just my thoughts..
bg

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[Barry]

On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:22:05 GMT, Bubba <like...@iname.com> wrote:

>Denise,
> Well, I didnt say there wouldnt be a problem doing it that
>way. Will it work? Yes. Is it a good idea to leave the old indoor coil
>with a new outdoor unit? No. Never in my opinion. Mix-matching coils
>and units makes it hard to know the exact cooling ability of the
>system (sensible/latent and total cooling btu's). You could also wind
>up with the indoor coil starting to leak water or freon. Your indoor
>coil may also be filthy and covered with all kinda debris. This will
>affect cooling and heating performance. Many problems and repeated
>service calls can come up which can be quite annoying and expensive
>after spending thousand/s on a new outdoor unit. Its just not worth it
>to me but Yes, it will work. Its your money.
>Bubba
>
>On 14 Aug 2002 03:40:10 GMT, dta...@aol.comNOSPAM (Dtanyol) wrote:
>
>>Hi Bubba,
>>I think I'll take you up on your offer to answer any other questions! I've
>>found that the Payne unit that will be installed is a PA10. More important, it
>>will replace an existing York unit that is already connected to the house. The
>>coil unit indoors will still be an existing old York. There's no problem with
>>hooking up a Payne AC unit to sit outside with the York coil unit indoors,
>>right? (thanks again)
>>
>>-Denise
>>

>>Will it work MAYBE. Will it work as a design air conditioning system no. For the cost if an indoor unit, compared to two, three or more service calls to make the system work satisfactorially you will have paid for a new indoor unit . ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS change the indoor coil out with a matched out door condensing unit. END OFCONVERSATION. Barr

[Acrobat]

"richard bartlett" <r.bar...@virgin.net> wrote in message
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> wait till the Japanese get into this market..then you can have a 'real'
unit
> designed in this millennium!!
>
> just think a quality product sitting just outside in the garden -not like
> that 'union made' crap' !!
>
> this shows you were a real connoisseur of air conditioning and demand a
high
> quality product -not a 'cheap skate any old junk will do' type....
>
> cheers
>
> richard
>

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ok who fed the troll?

[sodi...@gmail.com]

I had a Payne System installed in 2011. The exterior corroded because of my location near the ocean. Because it was the older Freon System, I was told I had to replace the entire system with one that uses Puron. Until is corroded, it worked excellently with a 2-speed fan.

[Tony Hwang]

Payne is I believe second tier Carrier. Rather than brand name it
depends a lot on qualified installer. Lot of so called techs. do
a hack job installing brand new system.

[BCampb...@cfl.rr.com]

[tirel...@yahoo.com]

I know this is a really old thread but I need to respond to others who might stumble on these posts.

It is May 2016 as I write this. I had my Payne unit installed exactly 5 years ago. You want my advise on this brand.....RUN from it. The cost savings has not been worth the money I saved on it. We have had nothing but issue after issue with our unit. Mainly one leak after another... I have spent in repairs to date about $2600 of my hard earned dollars. Usually 3-4 repairs a year all related to leaks. Just 8 weeks ago I spent $575 on THREE leaks on the condenser unit. And guess what....its not cooling again 8 weeks later. I'm done with this unit and I'm done with Payne and will never recommend them to anyone. They should change there name to PAIN. You should the condition on the condenser after 5 years. A rusted mess. My 20 year old unit it replaced looked better.

I bought this so I could pay it off before I retired so I wouldn't have to worry about this big bill when I retired. I figured it would last me well into my retirement years. Boy was I wrong. Retire is knocking on my door now so buying and new AC system is out of the question. I can't go into retirement paying for a new AC system. I have no choice but to buy window units and put all this behind me. I spent a lot of money for a AC unit that never worked right from the start. Did I say my first repair/charge came just 7 weeks after it was installed?

D

[Stormin Mormon]

On 5/23/2016 9:36 AM, tirel...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Friday, August 9, 2002 at 10:29:42 PM UTC-5, Dtanyol wrote:
>> Hi there...
>> My mom was offered a quote on the installation of a new Payne Air
Conditioner,
>> and I was wondering if anyone has had any good or bad experiences with
>> particular Payne central air conditioning units... (Unfortunately, the
>> contractor did not name a particular model number, so I don't know
the model.)
>> Since nobody in the family has ever heard of Payne, we just wanted
to get an
>> idea of whether this company has a good/bad history, or if certain
units should
>> be avoided (and WHY, if you know).
>>
>> Thanks a lot!
>> -D
>


> I know this is a really old thread but I need to respond to others who might stumble on these posts.
>
> It is May 2016 as I write this. I had my Payne unit installed exactly 5 years ago. You want my advise on this brand.....RUN from it. The cost savings has not been worth the money I saved on it. We have had nothing but issue after issue with our unit. Mainly one leak after another... I have spent in repairs to date about $2600 of my hard earned dollars. Usually 3-4 repairs a year all related to leaks. Just 8 weeks ago I spent $575 on THREE leaks on the condenser unit. And guess what....its not cooling again 8 weeks later. I'm done with this unit and I'm done with Payne and will never recommend them to anyone. They should change there name to PAIN. You should the condition on the condenser after 5 years. A rusted mess. My 20 year old unit it replaced looked better.
>
> I bought this so I could pay it off before I retired so I wouldn't have to worry about this big bill when I retired. I figured it would last me well into my retirement years. Boy was I wrong. Retire is knocking on my door now so buying and new AC system is out of the question. I can't go into retirement paying for a new AC system. I have no choice but to buy window units and put all this behind me. I spent a lot of money for a AC unit that never worked right from the start. Did I say my first repair/charge came just 7 weeks after it was installed?
>
> D
>

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On Friday, August 9, 2002 at 8:29:42 PM UTC-7, Dtanyol wrote:
> Hi there...
> My mom was offered a quote on the installation of a new Payne Air Conditioner,
> and I was wondering if anyone has had any good or bad experiences with
> particular Payne central air conditioning units... (Unfortunately, the
> contractor did not name a particular model number, so I don't know the model.)
> Since nobody in the family has ever heard of Payne, we just wanted to get an
> idea of whether this company has a good/bad history, or if certain units should
> be avoided (and WHY, if you know).
>
> Thanks a lot!
> -D

This is just to add another comment about Payne. I had my air conditioner and heater installed about 5-6 years ago and it's been working fine. Last year the capacitor died but I replaced it myself and it cost me $20. It's not the best unit out there and I don't know what percentage of units have problems but mine has been a champ. I have had much worse units. Like everything paying more usually gets you more. Maybe I've been lucky. Even though I've had no issues my next unit will be an American Standard. They are built like tanks, are quiet and durable.

[Bill]

How do they compare in price (to say Carrier)? I wonder whether
Carrier will be as good now that they have outsourced their factory from
Indiana to Mexico. Somehow, I doubt it.

[Richard]

On Friday, August 9, 2002 at 11:29:42 PM UTC-4, Dtanyol wrote:
> Hi there...
> My mom was offered a quote on the installation of a new Payne Air Conditioner,
> and I was wondering if anyone has had any good or bad experiences with
> particular Payne central air conditioning units... (Unfortunately, the
> contractor did not name a particular model number, so I don't know the model.)
> Since nobody in the family has ever heard of Payne, we just wanted to get an
> idea of whether this company has a good/bad history, or if certain units should
> be avoided (and WHY, if you know).
>
> Thanks a lot!
> -D

Its not only the Brand of system you get but it is more important to select the right contractor for the job. https://highperformancehvac.com/payne-air-conditioner-reviews-ratings/

[ladybo...@gmail.com]

We have a Payne that was installed March of 1999 and it is still running fine. We just had a repair man out today and he said everything was working great. I would definitely buy another Payne. You just have to service them and take care of them, like everything you own.

[firstcallc...@gmail.com]

On Friday, August 9, 2002 at 10:29:42 PM UTC-5, Dtanyol wrote:
> Hi there...
> My mom was offered a quote on the installation of a new Payne Air Conditioner,
> and I was wondering if anyone has had any good or bad experiences with
> particular Payne central air conditioning units... (Unfortunately, the
> contractor did not name a particular model number, so I don't know the model.)
> Since nobody in the family has ever heard of Payne, we just wanted to get an
> idea of whether this company has a good/bad history, or if certain units should
> be avoided (and WHY, if you know).
>
> Thanks a lot!
> -D

As a contractor I have set hundreds of Payne equipment. With that said, I have had very minimal break down compared to other brand name equipment. Im going to recommend researching the company more so than the unit because the unit is only as good as the installer. ~Chris - www.clarksvilleheatingcooling.com

[Tony944]

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[Richard]

On Friday, August 9, 2002 at 11:29:42 PM UTC-4, Dtanyol wrote:
> Hi there...
> My mom was offered a quote on the installation of a new Payne Air Conditioner,
> and I was wondering if anyone has had any good or bad experiences with
> particular Payne central air conditioning units... (Unfortunately, the
> contractor did not name a particular model number, so I don't know the model.)
> Since nobody in the family has ever heard of Payne, we just wanted to get an
> idea of whether this company has a good/bad history, or if certain units should
> be avoided (and WHY, if you know).
>
> Thanks a lot!
> -D

Checkout https://highperformancehvac.com/payne-air-conditioner-reviews-ratings/

[catalpa]

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That is a 15 year old post.

What is the point of a reply?