Replacement A/C can I upgrade to 4 ton in a manufactured home? *help*
Jason Seaborn
I am looking for some help on replacing my Air Conditioner. I
purchased a manufactured home last year. The place looks just like a
real house if you ask me and is 1400 sq ft. Any how I also made the
seller purchase a home warranty to cover me for a year on stuff like
the AC breaking.
Well, it did break, with just a month left on the warranty and now I
am going to be getting a replacement. I have some questions though. My
old system was fairly cold when you were at the vent, but it did not
seem to circulate well to all rooms. The a/c contractor the warranty
place sent said that I probably have a 2.5 ton or 2 ton AC right now
and that probably couldn't keep the place cool enough when it was new.
Any one have any idea what tonnage a Coleman Q.E.D. II 2442-901 would
have? The label is faded. They can replace it with a 3 ton ArcoAire w/
Reciprocating Compressor for FREE, or I can step up to the next
ArcoAire model with the scroll compressor for 100 bucks. What do you
recommend?
Because the warranty is picking up most of the tab I inquired about a
4-ton he said he can do that if my furnace is a 4-ton ( which he said
most are) but he would have to change the coils too and that would
cost more, probably around $500. I do not mind this cost at all, but I
want to make sure I'm not really over sizing too much, it gets HOT
here in this part of California Zip Code 92595 (if u want to check it
out). I am concerned about humidity and cycling issues that I have
read about.
I have read about the Manual J but I seriously doubt they will do one
for me because they are so jam packed but the house did come with some
stats already here below. Can any one give me some advice on if a 4
ton would be worth it and work well on a 1400 sqft Kaufman and Broad –
Manufactured Home, besides having a crawl space it really seems to be
a normal home. I don't want to have freezing problems or humidity. All
help and comment would be appreciated, thanks!!
Jason
Here are stats from the house label:
The supply air distribution system included in this home is sized for
a manufactured home central air conditioning system of up to 62,366
BTU/hr.
Walls (without windows and doors) "U" = .096
Ceilings and Roof of light color U = .070
Ceilings and Roof of dark color U = .070
Floors U = .126
Air Duct in Floor U = .175
Air Duct outside the home U = .227
Areas:
Air Duct in Floor = 276 sq ft.
Air Duct Outside = 74 sq ft.
Travis Jordan
> Hi,
>
> I am looking for some help on replacing my Air Conditioner. I
> purchased a manufactured home last year. The place looks just like a
> real house if you ask me and is 1400 sq ft. Any how I also made the
> seller purchase a home warranty to cover me for a year on stuff like
> the AC breaking.
>
> Well, it did break, with just a month left on the warranty and now I
> am going to be getting a replacement. I have some questions though. My
> old system was fairly cold when you were at the vent, but it did not
> seem to circulate well to all rooms. The a/c contractor the warranty
> place sent said that I probably have a 2.5 ton or 2 ton AC right now
> and that probably couldn't keep the place cool enough when it was new.
> Any one have any idea what tonnage a Coleman Q.E.D. II 2442-901 would
> have? The label is faded. They can replace it with a 3 ton ArcoAire w/
> Reciprocating Compressor for FREE, or I can step up to the next
> ArcoAire model with the scroll compressor for 100 bucks. What do you
> recommend?
I'd recommend you repost your question in alt.home.repair.
http://home.att.net/~alt.hvac/default.htm
CBHVAC
"Jason Seaborn" <view...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> I am looking for some help on replacing my Air Conditioner. I
> purchased a manufactured home last year. The place looks just like a
> real house if you ask me and is 1400 sq ft. Any how I also made the
> seller purchase a home warranty to cover me for a year on stuff like
> the AC breaking.
>
> Well, it did break, with just a month left on the warranty and now I
> am going to be getting a replacement. I have some questions though. My
> old system was fairly cold when you were at the vent, but it did not
> seem to circulate well to all rooms. The a/c contractor the warranty
> place sent said that I probably have a 2.5 ton or 2 ton AC right now
> and that probably couldn't keep the place cool enough when it was new.
> Any one have any idea what tonnage a Coleman Q.E.D. II 2442-901 would
> have? The label is faded. They can replace it with a 3 ton ArcoAire w/
> Reciprocating Compressor for FREE, or I can step up to the next
> ArcoAire model with the scroll compressor for 100 bucks. What do you
> recommend?
>
Ok...that is a 3.5 ton BSCQ042C AC unit.
yes..I am a York/Coleman dealer. :)
In other words...4 tons is too much, depending on where you are at.
It is an old unit.
Its not unrepairable however..but I would suggest a newer unit.
BTW...if it matters, the largest unit we install on mobile homes, that have
a higher heat load than yours, is 2.5tons, and I have 3200SF with 3.5 tons
on it....
Depending on your area, since it sounds like no one has taken the time to do
a proper load calculation on the home, you may need more, or less....
> Because the warranty is picking up most of the tab I inquired about a
> 4-ton he said he can do that if my furnace is a 4-ton ( which he said
> most are)
First..he would be VERY wrong.
Manufactured housing normally have electric furnaces, that have a blower
that will handle up to 3.5 tons....
If you have a Coleman indoor unit, its rated to 3.5 tons....
> but he would have to change the coils too and that would
> cost more, probably around $500. I do not mind this cost at all, but I
> want to make sure I'm not really over sizing too much, it gets HOT
> here in this part of California Zip Code 92595 (if u want to check it
> out). I am concerned about humidity and cycling issues that I have
> read about.
Sheesh....ok..I was in Palm Springs for years...and out there, normally, a 3
ton unit would work fine on a place your size...unless its ancient, and from
the unit you have...you might want to have your contractor do a PROPER
manual J....either way, you MUST meet California Title 24. Hes pulling
permits too right?
Up your way...you *PROB* wont needmore unless the fires make it your
way...hell..in Idlewild I cant imagine even needing one...altho..I
know..your not in that town..:)
>
> I have read about the Manual J but I seriously doubt they will do one
> for me because they are so jam packed but the house did come with some
> stats already here below. Can any one give me some advice on if a 4
> ton would be worth it and work well on a 1400 sqft Kaufman and Broad -
> Manufactured Home, besides having a crawl space it really seems to be
> a normal home. I don't want to have freezing problems or humidity. All
> help and comment would be appreciated, thanks!!
You MUST have a proper manual J done...if they wont do it...dont LET them do
a thing...its THAT simple.
>
> Jason
>
> Here are stats from the house label:
>
> The supply air distribution system included in this home is sized for
> a manufactured home central air conditioning system of up to 62,366
> BTU/hr.
Thats 5 tons, and that is only the duct..not the blower....
Vicki Szaszvari
CBHVAC wrote:
>
> Ok...that is a 3.5 ton BSCQ042C AC unit.
> yes..I am a York/Coleman dealer. :)
> In other words...4 tons is too much, depending on where you are at.
You deal in York and Coleman or are you saying that York owns
Coleman now?
Vicki, who doesn't see a lot of mobiles...
CBHVAC
"Vicki Szaszvari" <vickin...@usa.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> CBHVAC wrote:
>
> >
> > Ok...that is a 3.5 ton BSCQ042C AC unit.
> > yes..I am a York/Coleman dealer. :)
> > In other words...4 tons is too much, depending on where you are at.
>
> You deal in York and Coleman or are you saying that York owns
> Coleman now?
>
I am a dealer for both, and working on that Trane dealership..if the prices
can come down a bit...:)
York has owned Coleman for a while now. Coleman is no longer the big mobile
home supplier they were. They still offer the electric furnaces for the
places, but the units are rebadged Yorks. The Echelon Series will be the
Affinity line, but no colors will be offered.
>
> Vicki, who doesn't see a lot of mobiles...
We dont either..LOL...altho, that was the idea when we got the Coleman
dealership...and come to find out, that we end up selling more Coleman than
York badged units, due to the price..
For the commercial end, Coleman has a few rebadged Champion units, but if
you are gonna spend that kind of money anyway, might as well go York.
And no..there is NO difference in the guts of the units.
The only difference is that you can get the mobile home electric furnace
still, and the insulation kit, and shelf support for it cheap...but you cant
get the same in a York..(thank god)
On those, I kinda like to use the Mortex A coils, with the quick connects on
it...makes life real easy in an install on one. All the outside units use
brazed connects, and only the CHEAP and I mean CHEAP builders line uses the
one shot shut offs.
>
CBHVAC
"ftwhd" <ft...@fuckoffspammers.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 01:04:46 -0400, "CBHVAC"
> <webm...@removethis.carolinabreezehvac.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Vicki Szaszvari" <vickin...@usa.net> wrote in message
> >news:40F7534...@usa.net...
> >>
> >>
> >> CBHVAC wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Ok...that is a 3.5 ton BSCQ042C AC unit.
> >> > yes..I am a York/Coleman dealer. :)
> >> > In other words...4 tons is too much, depending on where you are at.
> >>
> >> You deal in York and Coleman or are you saying that York owns
> >> Coleman now?
> >>
> >
> >I am a dealer for both, and working on that Trane dealership..if the
prices
> >can come down a bit...:)
>
> Damn now I feel as ignorant as leaterface..
Sure....take a look in yours...
>
>
> >York has owned Coleman for a while now. Coleman is no longer the big
mobile
> >home supplier they were. They still offer the electric furnaces for the
> >places, but the units are rebadged Yorks. The Echelon Series will be the
> >Affinity line, but no colors will be offered.
> >>
> >> Vicki, who doesn't see a lot of mobiles...
> >
> >We dont either..LOL...
>
> Flip flop. I know all about them but don't deal in them.. a yup a
> huh. you are a liar CB that's about all you deal in is trailer houses
> and flex duct. Your not kidding anyone here. Hmm, on second thought
> maybe you are..
>
Umm...flip flop? You mean like you and your JB personality?
Oh...and just because you dont understand how to properly use flex, dont
assume everyone else in here is as fucking stupid as you...
Sorry you cant understand that an electric E series is so simple that even
you could understand it, know the wiring , and could rebuild one after one
call....
I dont see ALOT of mobile homes...as in working on them. perhaps 1 to every
40 other calls...
Since you dont know shit, how about you stop talking shit...maybe you need
to tell us about something you DO know....umm...like how long a pair of knee
pads lasts in your union...
well..YOUR knee pads last....I say about a week...and thats being
conservative...
> Mike
> UA local 370
>
>
HVAC fella
for FREE, or I can step up to the next ArcoAire model with the scroll
ME: Step up for $100 more. The compressor is a good one. Whether you
can go with a 4 ton depends on the duct system handling the additional
air required for a 4 ton system, and, whether your blower is capable of
moving enough air for a 4 ton system. Both would need to be carefully
ascertained by a qualified contractor.
Dave
P.S. Please disregard and make allowances for the DarkerSide people in
here who give the hvac trade a very bad name due to uncontrollable foul
mouths and slander toward HO's, especially. Thanks.
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Have you hugged your A/C Tech today ?
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HVAC fella
have a higher heat load than yours, is 2.5tons,'
ME: Ive seen trailers with more than 2.5 tons for his square footage up
here in northern illinois !! Ill bet your systems are undersized in
most cases down in the sunbelt if thats the largest you put in.
Trailers are high heat-gain structures to begin with ...not to mention
the climatic conditions. Please...do it right !
go fish
6nJJc.374$ac7....@eagle.america.net
...................a few questions................
CB, so basically you're saying you're a York & Coleman dealer, who sells more
Coleman's than York's because they're cheaper ?
Coleman's commercial line are actually rebadged York lines??
You dont seriously think Trane's pricing should stoop to Coleman/York's level
do you??
it doesnt matter to me if i sell a pinto or a mercedes, i just know that for
those that can afford the mercedes, price is never an issue. if i lose a sale
to the pinto dealer, how bad did I really want/need that sale?
CBHVAC
"HVAC fella" <HVAC...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> 'BTW...if it matters, the largest unit we install on mobile homes, that
> have a higher heat load than yours, is 2.5tons,'
>
> ME: Ive seen trailers with more than 2.5 tons for his square footage up
> here in northern illinois !! Ill bet your systems are undersized in
> most cases down in the sunbelt if thats the largest you put in.
> Trailers are high heat-gain structures to begin with ...not to mention
> the climatic conditions. Please...do it right !
*I* DO do it right...fuckhead.
I DONT oversize...get a grip..
Vicki Szaszvari
HVAC fella wrote:
> 'BTW...if it matters, the largest unit we install on mobile homes, that
> have a higher heat load than yours, is 2.5tons,'
>
> ME: Ive seen trailers with more than 2.5 tons for his square footage up
> here in northern illinois !! Ill bet your systems are undersized in
> most cases down in the sunbelt if thats the largest you put in.
> Trailers are high heat-gain structures to begin with ...not to mention
> the climatic conditions. Please...do it right !
You goofball. Have you seen any of the "manufactured homes" made
in the last ten years? They've got REAL INSULATION now.
Vicki
@starband.net ~KJPRO~
That would require him to have a REAL 'load calc' program to know any
difference.
And then the issue of learning how to use it....well, you get my drift.
~kjpro~
> Vicki
>