Riello Burner Ignition Problems
Tom
only about 3 years old, but for the last several months it has had a
intermittent problem with ignition. Thermostat ok, but burner fails to
start. The problem occurs maybe 3 time a week. My oil company has
tried all kinds of fixes. First they just replaced the nozzle, then
they added in line filters, then the replaced the control box (Box
that has the reset button integrated into it)...no luck.
Interesting enough, when the furnace fails to start it does not trip
the reset button....if you hit the reset button nothing happens. They
way you have to restart it is by turning off the main on/off switch
next to the burner. Its a red on off switch mounted on the outside of
the furnace. When the furnace fails to start you just turn the switch
to "off" and then to "on" and it fires right up and off you go. Once
it goes you have no poblems for several days.
Everything else about the furnace is fine, its clean and quiet. I have
regular services and cleanings as well.
This sure seems like an electrical problem, but they did replace the
Riello control box...what are the other components that could be
failing?
Appreciate any ideas, I had to travel for a two days last week and
returned to a 38 degree house,
Thanks!
p...@see_my_sig_for_address.com
Could be the fan limit.
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EricL
"Tom" <magnet...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On the F5 you apply 120V to the control box. If the 120V doesn't come to it,
the burner wont start. So using my crystal ball, i can maybe guess that you
have an open fan limit or a bad burner relay.
harry
I had a strange situation with an ignmition coil, and this is a
new one:
One: When I tip it back, the pump motor does not turn, or does the
ignition work. I don't know if there is a tilt mechanism in the
transformer or not, but it didn't do tjhis with the old transformer.
Two: A service tech just swapped this transformer out with another new
one (bill $150+) and the heater still doesn't work.
There may be some current sensing circuits in the control box, that
might sense a bad transformer, but I don't think so. Might explain
your situation..
Harry
"EricL" <eric_l...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<LQWQb.338$qU3....@news20.bellglobal.com>...
p...@see_my_sig_for_address.com
>Hi Guys:
> I had a strange situation with an ignmition coil, and this is a
>new one:
>One: When I tip it back, the pump motor does not turn, or does the
>ignition work. I don't know if there is a tilt mechanism in the
>transformer or not, but it didn't do tjhis with the old transformer.
>Two: A service tech just swapped this transformer out with another new
>one (bill $150+) and the heater still doesn't work.
Step # 1 - get the old transformer put back in, and get your $
150 back. They are not entitled to bill you for parts or labor that
don't fix the problem.
Step # 2 - get a competent tech in to fix the thing.
Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
CBhvac
<pjm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
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> On 25 Jan 2004 09:13:03 -0800, magnet...@yahoo.com (Tom) wrote:
>
> >I have a Bryant Oil Furnace with a Riello F5 Burner. The Furnace is
> >only about 3 years old, but for the last several months it has had a
> >intermittent problem with ignition. Thermostat ok, but burner fails to
> >start. The problem occurs maybe 3 time a week. My oil company has
> >tried all kinds of fixes. First they just replaced the nozzle, then
> >they added in line filters, then the replaced the control box (Box
> >that has the reset button integrated into it)...no luck.
> >
> >Interesting enough, when the furnace fails to start it does not trip
> >the reset button....if you hit the reset button nothing happens. They
> >way you have to restart it is by turning off the main on/off switch
> >next to the burner. Its a red on off switch mounted on the outside of
> >the furnace. When the furnace fails to start you just turn the switch
> >to "off" and then to "on" and it fires right up and off you go. Once
> >it goes you have no poblems for several days.
> >
> >Everything else about the furnace is fine, its clean and quiet. I have
> >regular services and cleanings as well.
> >
> >This sure seems like an electrical problem, but they did replace the
> >Riello control box...what are the other components that could be
> >failing?
> >
> >Appreciate any ideas, I had to travel for a two days last week and
> >returned to a 38 degree house,
> >
> >
> >Thanks!
>
> Could be the fan limit.
Had a cad today like that...and then I had a damn old Suntek that was 1750
RPM CCW and be damned if I had one on the van...but the cad thought that
after shutdown, there was flame, and would not allow the box to
fire...replaced it, and bingo..back in biz..
BGBevill
Remember one when I first got in a service truck. Couldn't get the blame thing
to do anything. The service manager came over and turned off my light and the
thing started fine. I had the thing opened up with a drop light hanging there
trying to check the transformer.
Bobby
p...@see_my_sig_for_address.com
wrote:
>On 27 Jan 2004 06:21:24 GMT, bgbe...@aol.comnojunk (BGBevill) wrote:
>
>>Remember one when I first got in a service truck. Couldn't get the blame thing
>>to do anything. The service manager came over and turned off my light and the
>>thing started fine. I had the thing opened up with a drop light hanging there
>>trying to check the transformer.
>
>We pull the eye to test the transformer. Several years back my son
>and I were servicing a unit. He was fairly new to service work and we
>were testing a transformer's output. I had him hook the tester up
>while I went to the panel to turn the power on when he was ready. He
>gave me the okay and I turned the power on whereupon he yelped. Seems
>he'd gotten a none too gentle reminder about how close you don't want
>to keep your hands near a transformer.
>
>You know it seems it doesn't matter how often dad tells them
>something. Some times they just have to learn on their own. :)
I think that 'hands too close to the transformer' lesson is
one of those 'only needs one class, knowledge lasts a lifetime' things
:-)
Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
BGBevill
>
Steve Scott <ssc...@twcny.rr.com>
>wrote:
>
>> bgbe...@aol.comnojunk (BGBevill) wrote:
>>
>>>Remember one when I first got in a service truck. Couldn't get the blame
>thing
>>>to do anything. The service manager came over and turned off my light and
>the
>>>thing started fine. I had the thing opened up with a drop light hanging
>there
>>>trying to check the transformer.
>>
>>We pull the eye to test the transformer. Several years back my son
>>and I were servicing a unit. He was fairly new to service work and we
>>were testing a transformer's output. I had him hook the tester up
>>while I went to the panel to turn the power on when he was ready. He
>>gave me the okay and I turned the power on whereupon he yelped. Seems
>>he'd gotten a none too gentle reminder about how close you don't want
>>to keep your hands near a transformer.
>>
>>You know it seems it doesn't matter how often dad tells them
>>something. Some times they just have to learn on their own. :)
>
> I think that 'hands too close to the transformer' lesson is
>one of those 'only needs one class, knowledge lasts a lifetime' things
>:-)
>Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
Oh yeah, I think I learned that lesson when I had one pulled back and couldn't
get it to start. For some reason, I don't remember what made me do it, I
reached and pulled the cad cell out and the thing started and knocked the crap
out of me. Only took one time.
Bobby
CBhvac
"Steve Scott" <ssc...@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
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> I wasn't sure if you meant you didn't have a 1725 SunTec pump or the
> primary control. But, FWIW, we just carry 1725 pumps. They will work
> fine on a 1725 or 3450 motor. Just can't use a 3450 with a 1725
> motor.
Damn..I just re-read that and thought...
Never post after a long day...
WTF is that mess? Ok..translated...was out of one pump for ONE call, and had
another that would not start that turned out to be the cad thinking the box
was hot, and such. Two dino burners, two different problems..
>
> On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 23:38:12 -0500, "CBhvac"
> <stephenaddresss...@carolinabreezehvac.com> wrote:
>
> >Had a cad today like that...and then I had a damn old Suntek that was
1750
> >RPM CCW and be damned if I had one on the van...but the cad thought that
> >after shutdown, there was flame, and would not allow the box to
> >fire...replaced it, and bingo..back in biz..
>
>
> --
> And so it begins that some things last
> forever...
>
>
>
>
BGBevill
>> primary control. But, FWIW, we just carry 1725 pumps. They will work
>> fine on a 1725 or 3450 motor. Just can't use a 3450 with a 1725
>> motor.
>
>Damn..I just re-read that and thought...
>
>Never post after a long day...
>
>WTF is that mess? Ok..translated...was out of one pump for ONE call, and had
>another that would not start that turned out to be the cad thinking the box
>was hot, and such. Two dino burners, two different problems..
>
>>
>> On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 23:38:12 -0500, "CBhvac"wrote:
>>
>> >Had a cad today like that...and then I had a damn old Suntek that was
>1750
>> >RPM CCW and be damned if I had one on the van...but the cad thought that
>> >after shutdown, there was flame, and would not allow the box to
>> >fire...replaced it, and bingo..back in biz..
Hey CB,
Thanks for the translation....lol. You all running calls today? The boss
has shut us down completely since Sunday. Nothing is moving at all around
here. I was in Tenn with a church youth group when all this started and made
it home just fine, but you could tell a real difference when you crossed the SC
line. Appears we don't have much salt and sand around here.
Bobby
CBhvac
"BGBevill" <bgbe...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
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Yup..I figured it was better not to send out the vans in this mess, and was
better if I was out in it, so I gave the guys the next couple of days off,
and jusst been running a few little calls...another pump this morning, by
lunch a walk in cooler compressor and TEV, and one rough in. Not a big day,
but the thing thats pissing me off the most is that the last two little
storms we had, the state was out using that new slurry mix (for this area)
like it was the greatest thing...this time..nada.
Now, its in the teens and the salt that they DID put down finally this
morning wont work, so you have a solid sheet of ice on the roads. Tomorrow
till about noon its gonna be a bitch.
Calling for more on Thursday.
Oh....on a related note, if you are needing new tires for a van..we put new
Firestone Steeltex R4S's on two of the trucks and you could not ask for a
better performing tire in this mess, short of a set of chains or a true snow
tire. Its a funny sight when you have a van pulling out 4X4s wiht only two
wheel drive..
BGBevill
>> Thanks for the translation....lol. You all running calls today? The
>boss
>> has shut us down completely since Sunday. Nothing is moving at all around
>> here. I was in Tenn with a church youth group when all this started and
>made
>> it home just fine, but you could tell a real difference when you crossed
>the SC
>> line. Appears we don't have much salt and sand around here.
>>
>> Bobby
>
>Yup..I figured it was better not to send out the vans in this mess, and was
>better if I was out in it, so I gave the guys the next couple of days off,
>and jusst been running a few little calls...another pump this morning, by
>lunch a walk in cooler compressor and TEV, and one rough in. Not a big day,
>but the thing thats pissing me off the most is that the last two little
>storms we had, the state was out using that new slurry mix (for this area)
>like it was the greatest thing...this time..nada.
>Now, its in the teens and the salt that they DID put down finally this
>morning wont work, so you have a solid sheet of ice on the roads. Tomorrow
>till about noon its gonna be a bitch.
>Calling for more on Thursday.
>
>Oh....on a related note, if you are needing new tires for a van..we put new
>Firestone Steeltex R4S's on two of the trucks and you could not ask for a
>better performing tire in this mess, short of a set of chains or a true snow
>tire. Its a funny sight when you have a van pulling out 4X4s wiht only two
>wheel drive..
Same here. Going to be a solid sheet in the morning again if the temps stay
low enough. Word is they finally did get some of the major roads somewhat
clean, but nothing going on elsewhere. I'll probably try to get out in the
morning and see for myself what is going on. Haven't been out of the house
since I got home Sunday.
I just got tires for my van just before Christmas and I am not even sure what
they are, but I will make a note of your suggestion. Thanks.
Bobby
CBhvac
> On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:12:29 -0500, "CBhvac"
> <stephenaddresss...@carolinabreezehvac.com> wrote:
>
> >Oh....on a related note, if you are needing new tires for a van..we put
new
> >Firestone Steeltex R4S's on two of the trucks and you could not ask for a
> >better performing tire in this mess, short of a set of chains or a true
snow
> >tire. Its a funny sight when you have a van pulling out 4X4s wiht only
two
> >wheel drive..
>
> difference.
>
Be nice if we could, but its illegal here now.
> --
> I am, therefore, I think. I think.
>
>
>
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