Carrier Vs. Rheem, which is better?
Glenn Warner
I am in the market shopping for a 5 ton, 12 seer, A/c Unit. Which is
better: Carrier or Rheem. And if the money is not a factor, which one
should I buy? is there a specific model?. If my sub is to buy it, what
to watch out for, so I don't get fooled?
Forgive me if my question is not "complete".
My house is 2500 ft^2 under air.
thanks in advance..
glenn
Vicki
Glenn Warner wrote:
Glenn, you can go back into the archives and see this subject has been
beaten to death here.
There are so many variables, most important of which is the
craftsmanship of the installing dealer. Add to that whether or not he will
be in business in four or five years to do warranty work...don't get
someone's brother-in-law who does it after work to change the unit for you.
I wouldn't buy a Carrier if it were half the price of a Janitrol, simply
because the Carrier dealer where I live maintains such a poorly-stocked
warehouse. And the counter people, when you can get them to actually wait
on you, have attitudes that make me think they should lace the water with
Midol -- except that the counter personnel are all male. (When one got shot
a month or so ago, most of us figured that it was by an irate customer.)
I like Trane...aka American Standard...but I understand that Rheem
makes a nice product. The nicest product in the world isn't worth a
tinker's dam is you can't get parts for it in a timely manner. There are at
least a dozen supply houses and branches in this town where I can get
Trane/American Standard parts. And, unlike the Carrier supply house, they
are open on Saturdays, too.
I also enjoy the fact that my next-door neighbor's Trane gas pack has
been running since 1966 with only two or three motor changes -- and the
original compressor. And -- oh, yeah -- it gets up to 120º+ here sometimes.
Vicki
TURTLE
--
This is turtle.
Vicki said it all !
But Rheem Japanese Owned Company and Carrier AMERICAN owned company.
TURTLE
Everyday is my first day in the business.
Got my e-mail address back as above .
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
scott
are expensive. Go with a Day and Night or Bryant which are Carrier products
and the parts are less expensive. At least in the commercial side of their
product line.
"That's just my my opinion, but I could be wrong...."
John Mills
> This is turtle.
>
> Vicki said it all !
>
> But Rheem Japanese Owned Company and Carrier AMERICAN owned company.
Carrier coils are made in MEXICO. Rheem coils are made in AMERICA. Who
cares if Rheem is Japanese owned, it is AMERICAN MADE and RELIABLE.
--
HVAC Advice, Pictures, Links...
http://www.geocities.com/~johnmills
http://www.appelheat.com
alt.hvac Charter, FAQ, Links...
http://home.att.net/~alt.hvac/
Abby Normal
Relax, its Rheem.
John, I have my Rheem Sea Aire job out for tender, the Hi-eff corrosion
resistant line. Same job I refered to with some ducts in a crawlspace
exposed to a salt environment.
I will keep you updated as to how expensive they are and how well they
work. Looks like I can get insulated Rheem air handlers.
TURTLE
--
This is turtle.
Did I tell a lie or the trueth ?
Where in , what direction the capital Profits flows --- start to speak
that language.
I don't know how to speak Japanese and don't want to start to learning
it.
J. S. Nunes
"HHAC Inc" <hha...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20001108221146...@ng-fm1.aol.com...
> Carrier makes ( or used to make ) five brands, those being 1)Carrier,
> 2)Bryant, 3)Day and Night, 4)Payne, and 5)BDP.
> I believe they've stopped making BDP.
>
> Rheem makes 3 brands, 1)Rheem, 2)Ruud, 3)WeatherKing.
>
> Both Carrier and Rheem assemble parts manufactured by other companies to
build
> their respective product lines. For instance both use Copeland scroll
> compressors. For years only Rheem offered the copeland scroll across its
entire
> product line, whereas Carrier offered it only on 4-5 tons and up.
>
> On the other hand American Standard/Trane manufacture and build their own
> compressors. Only AS/T has the Spine-Fin coil. No other AC manufacturer
in the
> USA today can offer this exclusive coil.
Yup..only Trane has that POS coil....you can have it
>Only American Standard/Trane has
> compressors with roto-lock connectors. All other manufacturers
compressors are
> welded in. I've changed out hundreds of copelands, bristols, tecumpse
> compressors. Only 3 trane compressors.
> Buy a carrier. Keep your hvac contractor in business.
>
> Pat H
HHAC Inc
2)Bryant, 3)Day and Night, 4)Payne, and 5)BDP.
I believe they've stopped making BDP.
Rheem makes 3 brands, 1)Rheem, 2)Ruud, 3)WeatherKing.
Both Carrier and Rheem assemble parts manufactured by other companies to build
their respective product lines. For instance both use Copeland scroll
compressors. For years only Rheem offered the copeland scroll across its entire
product line, whereas Carrier offered it only on 4-5 tons and up.
On the other hand American Standard/Trane manufacture and build their own
compressors. Only AS/T has the Spine-Fin coil. No other AC manufacturer in the
USA today can offer this exclusive coil. Only American Standard/Trane has
Abby Normal
J. S. Nunes wrote in message ...
>
>"HHAC Inc" <hha...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
>news:20001108221146...@ng-fm1.aol.com...
>> On the other hand American Standard/Trane manufacture and build their own
>> compressors. Only AS/T has the Spine-Fin coil. No other AC manufacturer
>in the
>> USA today can offer this exclusive coil.
>
>Yup..only Trane has that POS coil....you can have it
The POS Spine-Fins are actually good in a salt air environment. I have seen
a lot of junked Trane CU's, the compressors are shot, the casings are rotted
however the spine-fin coil is intact. They last longer than coated coils.
They do have a tendency to corrode and leak where the aluminium tubing
transitions to copper. By a Trane and keep Sears busy seems appropriate.
They also have a huge foot print because the spine-fin coil does not
transfer heat as efficiently as a standard coil.
I have an on going job where I am trying to talk the owner into the Rheem
Sea Aire units.
J. S. Nunes
"Abby Normal" <a_bee_...@spamyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9741193...@RedRat.CandW.ky...
>
> J. S. Nunes wrote in message ...
> >
> >"HHAC Inc" <hha...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
> >news:20001108221146...@ng-fm1.aol.com...
>
>
own
> >> compressors. Only AS/T has the Spine-Fin coil. No other AC
manufacturer
> >in the
> >> USA today can offer this exclusive coil.
> >
>
>
> The POS Spine-Fins are actually good in a salt air environment.
Untill you have to clean them
>I have seen
> a lot of junked Trane CU's, the compressors are shot, the casings are
rotted
> however the spine-fin coil is intact. They last longer than coated coils.
I have run acrosss several in past years that the spiness have corroded off
> They do have a tendency to corrode and leak where the aluminium tubing
> transitions to copper.
yup....several warrenty condenser coil replacements over the summer
>By a Trane and keep Sears busy seems appropriate.
>
> They also have a huge foot print because the spine-fin coil does not
> transfer heat as efficiently as a standard coil.
I hate inefficiency
> I have an on going job where I am trying to talk the owner into the Rheem
> Sea Aire units.
I hope you can do it... much better quality units and much easier to service
>
>
Buck153
<a_bee_...@spamyahoo.com> writes:
<snip>
>They also have a huge foot print because the spine-fin coil does not
>transfer heat as efficiently as a standard coil.
> <snip>
All the seminars I've attended say just the opposite. The spine-fin coil is
the most efficient on heat transfer. A manufacturer can get a higher
efficiency rating with this type coil.
The problem with this coil is that it scrubs the dirt out of the air and loses
it's efficiency, much faster. Cleaning this coil is a tedious affair. However
the manufacturer can prove higher efficiency because they are tested when new
and clean.
The best condenser coils from a service point of view are the old wide fin
type, where if located right, the rain could keep it clean.
Buck
Abby Normal
Buck153 wrote in message <20001113163408...@nso-ba.aol.com>...
>In article <9741193...@RedRat.CandW.ky>, "Abby Normal"
><a_bee_...@spamyahoo.com> writes:
>
><snip>
>>They also have a huge foot print because the spine-fin coil does not
>>transfer heat as efficiently as a standard coil.
>> <snip>
>
>All the seminars I've attended say just the opposite. The spine-fin coil
is
>the most efficient on heat transfer. A manufacturer can get a higher
>efficiency rating with this type coil.
Why is there so much more square footage of condenser coil? This is not a
super high seer unit. Maybe its the aluminium tubes. Or perhaps because they
are single row. I will have to keep my eyes open the next time I see one
scrapped.