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Don Gore
Sep 29, 2012, 5:54:21 PM9/29/12
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Hello:
Background:
I have 3.5 Ton Packaged 7 year old R22 Coleman heat pump. After 3 years
Evap coil changed due to leaks. 3 year later Again Coil leak. At this
time it is out of warranty, so 1 can stop leak 3.5 lbs r22 and 6 months
later LP switch is switching unit off. Unknown if switch or leak. Last
time leak freezes condensor coil. This time not freezing. Unknown right
now if switch or leak or other. Circuits are all ok. Design is piston
compressor, Non TEV, R22, Single york defrost board, good thermostat and
wires. I believe it is rifled evaporator coil. Simple contactor for
condensor fan and compressor. 1 lp switch 1 defrost sensor ( closes in
freezer) No HP switch or ambient sensor. Could it be leak again ? I'll
bet so. After $950 in service calls I really do not want to fix another
leak. I'll bet I'll hear a tone with a gas Sniffer. Yes this was
installed by an AC company and I called the same Company for service.
My question is : Hear any complaints from others about coleman coils
leaking? I read others have had lots of problems with leaks on colemans.
Model PHP042H1021B. for you in case it rings a bell. I read one company
is involved in a law suite becsuse of this. The Contractor I used only
gave Mfg warranty which is 5 years parts only. Pretty sorry but I can
understand them washing their hands after Mfg warranty. I will not use
them again due to their poor unit quality screening.
DG
Background:
I have 3.5 Ton Packaged 7 year old R22 Coleman heat pump. After 3 years
Evap coil changed due to leaks. 3 year later Again Coil leak. At this
time it is out of warranty, so 1 can stop leak 3.5 lbs r22 and 6 months
later LP switch is switching unit off. Unknown if switch or leak. Last
time leak freezes condensor coil. This time not freezing. Unknown right
now if switch or leak or other. Circuits are all ok. Design is piston
compressor, Non TEV, R22, Single york defrost board, good thermostat and
wires. I believe it is rifled evaporator coil. Simple contactor for
condensor fan and compressor. 1 lp switch 1 defrost sensor ( closes in
freezer) No HP switch or ambient sensor. Could it be leak again ? I'll
bet so. After $950 in service calls I really do not want to fix another
leak. I'll bet I'll hear a tone with a gas Sniffer. Yes this was
installed by an AC company and I called the same Company for service.
My question is : Hear any complaints from others about coleman coils
leaking? I read others have had lots of problems with leaks on colemans.
Model PHP042H1021B. for you in case it rings a bell. I read one company
is involved in a law suite becsuse of this. The Contractor I used only
gave Mfg warranty which is 5 years parts only. Pretty sorry but I can
understand them washing their hands after Mfg warranty. I will not use
them again due to their poor unit quality screening.
DG
Stormin Mormon
Sep 29, 2012, 8:09:43 PM9/29/12
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Yes, of course it's possible, it's leaking again. Sorry to hear. That has
been expensive. I'm with you, to call several other companies, and see what
they say.
Christopher A. Young
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been expensive. I'm with you, to call several other companies, and see what
they say.
Christopher A. Young
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Dhg
Oct 1, 2012, 1:21:45 PM10/1/12
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Thanks. The last Tech out said he just bought a rheem with a copeland
compressor and it failed right out of the box. He did not choose Coleman
which his Employer sold me. Smart man. Still it failed. So it seems that
todays outsourced Chinese made parts are like Consumer riding lawnmowers
with eploding Kohler Courage engines. Make something that only last 5
years and not much more and sell more prooducts. This design to fail was
done with light bulbs. 20 years ago I have bought AC units and had no
problems. So I dont blame the Tech or the Install Company but I do blame
the Mfg building designed for failure products. In todays Economy where
Finance and outsourcing rules over pride of production it's buyer beware
and check consumer ratings for Mfg profit hit and run product dumping.
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compressor and it failed right out of the box. He did not choose Coleman
which his Employer sold me. Smart man. Still it failed. So it seems that
todays outsourced Chinese made parts are like Consumer riding lawnmowers
with eploding Kohler Courage engines. Make something that only last 5
years and not much more and sell more prooducts. This design to fail was
done with light bulbs. 20 years ago I have bought AC units and had no
problems. So I dont blame the Tech or the Install Company but I do blame
the Mfg building designed for failure products. In todays Economy where
Finance and outsourcing rules over pride of production it's buyer beware
and check consumer ratings for Mfg profit hit and run product dumping.
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Stormin Mormon
Oct 1, 2012, 1:35:30 PM10/1/12
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When in doubt, chink it out?
Real shame that quality and pride and workmanship is so hard to find, now
days.
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Real shame that quality and pride and workmanship is so hard to find, now
days.
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Dhg
Oct 2, 2012, 9:30:56 AM10/2/12
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Yea these guys have no problem making contaminated drywall and lead
paint fake canser pills which can kill people.
Update: Sensor shutdown was HP and I see light amount of oil at
compressor seam and measured pressure of hi is 77 low 86 Switch telling
the truth. Bad compressor and possible other suspects which may have
caused it. Not worth fixing.
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paint fake canser pills which can kill people.
Update: Sensor shutdown was HP and I see light amount of oil at
compressor seam and measured pressure of hi is 77 low 86 Switch telling
the truth. Bad compressor and possible other suspects which may have
caused it. Not worth fixing.
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Stormin Mormon
Oct 2, 2012, 10:33:09 AM10/2/12
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I'm sorry that you got a poor quality unit. I hope you can find a good
company, to install your next one. And that you get many years of good
service.
company, to install your next one. And that you get many years of good
service.
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Dhg
Oct 2, 2012, 7:19:27 PM10/2/12
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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> I'm sorry that you got a poor quality unit. I hope you can find a good
> company, to install your next one. And that you get many years of good
> service.
>
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
> .
>
with TX an scroll and plenty of room to work in a Rheem square box 14
SEER RQPL model. Downloaded drawings provided house duct specs and
thermometer manual and provided exact part number. Too much trouble with
warranty not to use a contractor. My last Tech bought one and I know
others who have had good luck. No more non TX units.Give one of your
boys some work and cut the Shop out. He makes more money and I save
some.
Mike Marlow
Oct 2, 2012, 9:00:02 PM10/2/12
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Dhg
Oct 3, 2012, 11:02:00 AM10/3/12
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"Mike Marlow" <mmarlo...@windstream.net> wrote in news:1f5b0$506b8dd7
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> Would be better. If you learned to speak in full sentences.
u mean write. dont U ? cant speak through keyboard.
$4b75eb81$25...@ALLTEL.NET:
>
> Would be better. If you learned to speak in full sentences.
Mike Marlow
Oct 3, 2012, 11:34:10 AM10/3/12
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Stormin Mormon
Oct 3, 2012, 11:42:26 AM10/3/12
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You write like a preteen.
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Dhg
Oct 6, 2012, 4:38:45 AM10/6/12
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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> You write like a preteen.
>
Dhg
Oct 6, 2012, 4:39:53 AM10/6/12
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> Point taken. I sit corrected...
>
Keep the change.
>
Stormin Mormon
Oct 6, 2012, 8:37:50 AM10/6/12
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You enjoy looking like an ignorant preteen?
Not me.....
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Not me.....
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Dhg
Oct 6, 2012, 3:18:33 PM10/6/12
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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> You enjoy looking like an ignorant preteen?
>
> Not me.....
>
Ignorant ? I doubt it. I forgot more than you know.
Dhg
Oct 6, 2012, 3:22:06 PM10/6/12
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> I don't know about that. You hang out here showing your stupidity on
> a fairly regular basis and you don't seem to mind.
>
There is some humor just watching the level of some people. I don't comment
because it would spoil the joke.
> a fairly regular basis and you don't seem to mind.
>
There is some humor just watching the level of some people. I don't comment
because it would spoil the joke.
Dhg
Oct 6, 2012, 6:57:35 PM10/6/12
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After talking to an AC man who is 75 and friend of the family I just
believe many Companies are just making poor quality units so they can sell
more units. Instead of lasting a long time they now last not so long. He
had leaky coils on new units He had installed for family. Install Companies
are jumping in getting a piece of the action. Design for obsolescence.
Tony Hwang
Oct 6, 2012, 7:05:46 PM10/6/12
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Dhg wrote:
> Yea these guys have no problem making contaminated drywall and lead
> paint fake canser pills which can kill people.
>
Blame all around. Supply and demand rules. They make junk when they buy
junks. You had the Coleman installed because the price was good? My top
of the line Carrier unit is 5 years old. On every annual check up
nothing has been wrong except routine cleaning. Across street my
neighbor had Coleman , 6 years old which was taken completely out now.
He said too many troubles with the unit.
Tony Hwang
Oct 6, 2012, 7:08:00 PM10/6/12
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Dhg wrote:
> Yea these guys have no problem making contaminated drywall and lead
> paint fake canser pills which can kill people.
>
Hi,
Blame all around. Supply and demand rules. They make junk when they buy
junks. He had the Coleman installed because the price was good? My top
Blame all around. Supply and demand rules. They make junk when they buy
Dhg
Oct 6, 2012, 9:35:10 PM10/6/12
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Tony Hwang <drag...@shaw.ca> wrote in news:TR2cs.594$6h7...@newsfe08.iad:
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I partially agree. I think I have to take back my implied designed to fail
statement as I think the real problem is they have not perfected the
Manufacturing process. Reference the piece below on Rifled Copper. Now my
question to you experts is: Are the cheap window AC units with less seer
rating using rifled copper ? I suspect not. Most have good reliability.
------
For about 20 years, the AC industry has been under pressure from both
environmental and conservation groups. To improve efficiency, the industry
started rifling the interior of the copper tubes that go into the cooling
coil. They create spiral grooves, and that causes turbulence in the flow of
Freon as it changes from a liquid to a gas. The result is a remarkable
increase in cooling efficiency.
Unfortunately, rifling introduces stress concentrations that become points
where cracks can form and propagate. The entire industry has found a
dramatic increase in the failure rate of their coils. Some customers
experience repeat failures, while others have zero problems.
In 1995, I installed in my home and my duplex, a total of three systems
(including the coils). Since then, neither system has developed a Freon
leak. On the other hand, I have customers with repeat failures. Charles had
4 coil failures in twelve years. Mary had 4 coil failures in eight years.
Eleanor had 5 coil failures in 15 years. I personally have documented the
evidence.
>
I partially agree. I think I have to take back my implied designed to fail
statement as I think the real problem is they have not perfected the
Manufacturing process. Reference the piece below on Rifled Copper. Now my
question to you experts is: Are the cheap window AC units with less seer
rating using rifled copper ? I suspect not. Most have good reliability.
------
For about 20 years, the AC industry has been under pressure from both
environmental and conservation groups. To improve efficiency, the industry
started rifling the interior of the copper tubes that go into the cooling
coil. They create spiral grooves, and that causes turbulence in the flow of
Freon as it changes from a liquid to a gas. The result is a remarkable
increase in cooling efficiency.
Unfortunately, rifling introduces stress concentrations that become points
where cracks can form and propagate. The entire industry has found a
dramatic increase in the failure rate of their coils. Some customers
experience repeat failures, while others have zero problems.
In 1995, I installed in my home and my duplex, a total of three systems
(including the coils). Since then, neither system has developed a Freon
leak. On the other hand, I have customers with repeat failures. Charles had
4 coil failures in twelve years. Mary had 4 coil failures in eight years.
Eleanor had 5 coil failures in 15 years. I personally have documented the
evidence.
Dhg
Oct 6, 2012, 9:55:04 PM10/6/12
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Tony Hwang <drag...@shaw.ca> wrote in news:OP2cs.593$6h7...@newsfe08.iad:
According to Heat pump reviews Many customers have problems with Carrier.
I have no reason to disbelieve you or these other customers. What is not
junk to you is junk to some of these other Customers. I hear the same
problem exist with other brands besides coleman. Maybe other Carrier
Customers have had coil leaks which would imply the same problem but with
better quality control. I think problem still exist. Rifled copper has
drawbacks.
I have no reason to disbelieve you or these other customers. What is not
junk to you is junk to some of these other Customers. I hear the same
problem exist with other brands besides coleman. Maybe other Carrier
Customers have had coil leaks which would imply the same problem but with
better quality control. I think problem still exist. Rifled copper has
drawbacks.
Stormin Mormon
Oct 6, 2012, 11:05:41 PM10/6/12
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Suit yourself, kid.
Christopher A. Young
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Christopher A. Young
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gregz
Oct 6, 2012, 11:46:08 PM10/6/12
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I don't know if my unit has ever been serviced. Acquired trailer last year.
1988 Coleman unit. Works good.
Greg
1988 Coleman unit. Works good.
Greg
The Daring Dufas
Oct 7, 2012, 12:47:09 AM10/7/12
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pay the price for lasting products. I've had to replace new coils in
new units under warranty and service old units that have been trouble
free since before you were born. I prefer working on commercial and
industrial equipment anyway. ^_^
TDD
The Daring Dufas
Oct 7, 2012, 12:51:00 AM10/7/12
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left the factory. Most HVAC equipment is not built to NASA standards for
resistance to high G forces. O_o
TDD
Dhg
Oct 7, 2012, 8:47:50 AM10/7/12
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I prefer working on commercial and
> industrial equipment anyway. ^_^
>
> TDD
>
people, better money, better money.
Dhg
Oct 7, 2012, 8:51:33 AM10/7/12
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> Suit yourself, kid.
>
I'm older than you.
Dhg
Oct 7, 2012, 9:01:55 AM10/7/12
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>
> Many problems I've seen were due to rough handling after the equipment
> left the factory.
I believe that 100%, Major factor. I look at quality of frame structure to
offset the chances of shipping damage. I still think the combination of
higher pressure, rifled coils, and todays Corporate neoliberal drive for
lower cost and profit has brought quality down compared with older units.
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>
> Many problems I've seen were due to rough handling after the equipment
> left the factory.
offset the chances of shipping damage. I still think the combination of
higher pressure, rifled coils, and todays Corporate neoliberal drive for
lower cost and profit has brought quality down compared with older units.
The Daring Dufas
Oct 7, 2012, 9:42:39 AM10/7/12
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TDD
The Daring Dufas
Oct 7, 2012, 9:45:01 AM10/7/12
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tubing. O_o
TDD
Stormin Mormon
Oct 7, 2012, 10:25:39 AM10/7/12
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If you write younger, I'll treat you younger.
Got your home work done?
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Got your home work done?
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Stormin Mormon
Oct 7, 2012, 10:27:13 AM10/7/12
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Cattle drives.
floppy drives
C-drives
flash drives
and now, neoliberal drives.
What is the world coming to?
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floppy drives
C-drives
flash drives
and now, neoliberal drives.
What is the world coming to?
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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Stormin Mormon
Oct 7, 2012, 10:28:00 AM10/7/12
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I worked for a guy like that. He sends me all his refrigerator repair calls.
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Dhg
Oct 7, 2012, 10:39:28 AM10/7/12
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> If you write younger, I'll treat you younger.
>
>
Guys this entire thread is being posted on "The Homowners Hub" website
without my permission. I'm not a member. Feel free to start cussing, might
as well.
Dhg
Oct 7, 2012, 10:44:24 AM10/7/12
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Interesting. Take a thin copper tube and rifle it. I'll bet it harder to
solder than house plumbing.
Stormin Mormon
Oct 7, 2012, 10:58:28 AM10/7/12
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Yep, home owners hub, and also Stucco Site.
Your Mom and I don't appreciate you swearing. You're on time out for a half
hour. Sit.
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Your Mom and I don't appreciate you swearing. You're on time out for a half
hour. Sit.
Christopher A. Young
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Grumpy
Oct 7, 2012, 12:24:53 PM10/7/12
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which it comes down to installer. Other "Efficiencies" more thinner cooper lines,
faster transfer of heat, more fins per inch more heat is dissipated, all this things
require to be thin. If are made thicker it becomes bulkier heavier and more expensive.
On the end consumers is one paying price. And no Carrier is not better then any other
it becomes just like cars if you get yourself on lemon you got lemon!!!
Dhg
Oct 7, 2012, 3:08:17 PM10/7/12
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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> Yep, home owners hub, and also Stucco Site.
>
> Your Mom and I don't appreciate you swearing. You're on time out for a
> half hour. Sit.
>
of your actions. Your punishment for being out of line is for your Bishop
to slap you on the side of your head with the BOM until you get your mind
right or to go to the box. Yea the BISHOP looking through your received
insults will rock your world and force you to repent. All the pestering you
have done are going to come back to you when the Bishop reads this thread.
These other people don't know your kryptonite. Tick tock.
Dhg
Oct 7, 2012, 3:17:22 PM10/7/12
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>
> Yes there are problems all round, but there is also problem with
> installations which it comes down to installer. Other "Efficiencies"
> more thinner cooper lines,
> faster transfer of heat, more fins per inch more heat is dissipated,
> all this things
> require to be thin. If are made thicker it becomes bulkier heavier and
> more expensive. On the end consumers is one paying price. And no
> Carrier is not better then any other it becomes just like cars if you
> get yourself on lemon you got lemon!!!
>
>
>
I think if there are problems with coils and after a coil is replaced then
> Yes there are problems all round, but there is also problem with
> installations which it comes down to installer. Other "Efficiencies"
> more thinner cooper lines,
> faster transfer of heat, more fins per inch more heat is dissipated,
> all this things
> require to be thin. If are made thicker it becomes bulkier heavier and
> more expensive. On the end consumers is one paying price. And no
> Carrier is not better then any other it becomes just like cars if you
> get yourself on lemon you got lemon!!!
>
>
>
that would point a finger at the coil itself or the coil install job. I
tend to believe the Unit and shipping and coil install is out of the loop.
The data suggest the coil seeing the problem is with many units and
installers. They could make it out of another material instead of copper.
I'm not a heat transfer Guy so I don't know the alternative. It would be
interesting to know if these failures are more common with heat pumps or
air conditioners or about the same. You Experts would have more experience
on this question.
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Oct 8, 2012, 10:53:23 AM10/8/12
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Installer: I finally got a hold of Hillbilly Bob the ac guy. Bob thought he
should make about $1500 profit for 2 hours of work.Bob wanted to bring unit
on a service truck too small to hold it. No problem for bob as he would
just jam it in there somehow. Lennox Rep and a hard sell to buy Lennox
instead. Good example on how to damage unit. I sent Bob who was drooling at
the prospect of making a kill on his way. Bob also thought it would be a
good Idea to hack another return duct in a structure. Dumbass.
should make about $1500 profit for 2 hours of work.Bob wanted to bring unit
on a service truck too small to hold it. No problem for bob as he would
just jam it in there somehow. Lennox Rep and a hard sell to buy Lennox
instead. Good example on how to damage unit. I sent Bob who was drooling at
the prospect of making a kill on his way. Bob also thought it would be a
good Idea to hack another return duct in a structure. Dumbass.
Mike Marlow
Oct 8, 2012, 11:02:15 AM10/8/12
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thoughts might actually make some sense. Alas - they are simple gibberish.
--
-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net
Stormin Mormon
Oct 8, 2012, 11:31:30 AM10/8/12
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There are some men who are excellent techs, but
aren't skilled in writing. It's possible he may be one
such man.
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aren't skilled in writing. It's possible he may be one
such man.
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dg
Oct 8, 2012, 9:25:47 PM10/8/12
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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:amCcs.67
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> There are some men who are excellent techs, but
> aren't skilled in writing. It's possible he may be one
> such man.
>
Well it looks good to me. Of course I did have a heart attack and open
heart and forgot how to read for a while as words looked like a picture
instead of words. I COULD spend more time remembering the rules of writing
or I could at my age just drink more beer. I choose beer.
$sr2...@fe03.iad:
> There are some men who are excellent techs, but
> aren't skilled in writing. It's possible he may be one
> such man.
>
heart and forgot how to read for a while as words looked like a picture
instead of words. I COULD spend more time remembering the rules of writing
or I could at my age just drink more beer. I choose beer.
dg
Oct 8, 2012, 10:13:27 PM10/8/12
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> Ya know - if you could ever learn to construct a proper sentence, your
> thoughts might actually make some sense. Alas - they are simple
> gibberish.
>
Oh, I remember you. You are the person who has a deep understanding of
> thoughts might actually make some sense. Alas - they are simple
> gibberish.
>
Capitalism. I can hardly remember names. So this is why you rant with Elder
Dr. Thermodynamics. Having little knowledge of anything both of you whine
at the little things. You two remind me of quality control little bitches
whining about missing commas. Meanwhile I laugh at both of you.
Mike Marlow
Oct 9, 2012, 3:14:57 PM10/9/12
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dg
Oct 10, 2012, 7:38:53 AM10/10/12
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> I have no idea what in the world you are talking about. Do you?
>
Sure you do, So does the Elder who does not like anybody attacking Romney
> I have no idea what in the world you are talking about. Do you?
>
and resorts to attacking spelling errors sort of like you. Perhaps you both
are on the same team.
Mike Marlow
Oct 10, 2012, 8:11:35 AM10/10/12
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dg
Oct 10, 2012, 8:45:02 PM10/10/12
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> You sir, are a crack pot.
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At least you said sir.
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PaxPerPoten
Oct 10, 2012, 10:20:18 PM10/10/12
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On 10/7/2012 9:39 AM, Dhg wrote:
>> If you write younger, I'll treat you younger.
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> Go Fuck yourself.
Is that some kind of a Mormon ritual? ;-p
>> If you write younger, I'll treat you younger.
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> Go Fuck yourself.
>
>
> Guys this entire thread is being posted on "The Homowners Hub" website
> without my permission. I'm not a member. Feel free to start cussing, might
> as well.
>
Mike Marlow
Oct 10, 2012, 10:29:58 PM10/10/12
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dg wrote:
>> You sir, are a crack pot.
>>
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> At least you said sir.
Ya know - it does not matter what you try to say - you make no sense at all.
>> You sir, are a crack pot.
>>
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> At least you said sir.
See ya...
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-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net
dg
Oct 11, 2012, 6:55:05 AM10/11/12
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"Mike Marlow" <mmarlo...@windstream.net> wrote in
news:71c3b$50762eba$4b75eb81$87...@ALLTEL.NET:
> dg wrote:
>>> You sir, are a crack pot.
>>>
>>
>> At least you said sir.
>
> Ya know - it does not matter what you try to say - you make no sense
> at all. See ya...
>
might not agree with their Religious views and attack non facts
to shine a light elsewhere. It's standard backwards thinking. Start with an
outcome and change the facts to fit. Ignore facts you dont like and attack
anybody who may present them. You will find this response again and again
always. Crazy ? Yea I agree it's crazy. You don't want anybody who thinks
like this with a nuke button. If you still cant understand then you are
just stupid. Others who have seen it will get it.
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