Rheem heat pump defrost
Injun Ear
defrost cycle. It says run a lead from D on the heat pump to P on the
air handler. Only problem is, I seen no P terminal on the air handler's
circuit board.
Noon-Air
goes into defrost.
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You misread the instructions. You can P on the air handler
even without the special terminal. Just look out for splatter on your
shoes.
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Injun Ear
> On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:22:32 -0500, Injun Ear
> <gonsl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Trying to hook up the defrost so it will energize some heat during the
>> defrost cycle. It says run a lead from D on the heat pump to P on the
>> air handler. Only problem is, I seen no P terminal on the air handler's
>> circuit board.
>
> You misread the instructions. You can P on the air handler
> even without the special terminal. Just look out for splatter on your
> shoes.
>
>
Noon-Air
This is basic controls, with basic wiring.
You do know that Rheem equipment RVs are energized in heat, I would hope
What model heat pump??
What model of air handler are you using with it??
What control are you using with it??
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That One
P is the Positive terminal.
D is the Defrost terminal.
This stuff ain't Rocket Science, you know.
Injun Ear
handler end. It shows a picture of the terminals, but there is no P
terminal.
Rheem RPPB-036JAZ heat pump.
Rheem RBHK-24J14SHD air handler.
Noon-Air
> The only thing the schematic shows is the heat pump end, not the air
> handler end. It shows a picture of the terminals, but there is no P
> terminal.
>
> Rheem RPPB-036JAZ heat pump.
>
> Rheem RBHK-24J14SHD air handler.
Why are you putting in an R22 heat pump when in a year, R22 is going to
become *VERY* scarce and *VERY* expensive??
You have already proven that you not a tech, but a home owner trying to DIY.
Take a crowbar to your wallet and call a local tech that knows what he is
doing.... who knows what else you might have screwed up in the process.
BTW... you do realize that the warranty on *ANY* Rheem equipment bought over
the internet is null and void.
Injun Ear
2. I already called the tech and he says he doesn't know anything about
that and furthermore, he is too busy to fool with it. He says he has
100 calls to make on units that are out of service and. Says if my
system breaks down, call him.
3. I did not buy this system on the internet, It was installed by
the above mentioned tech.
4. It's just a simple connection. All I want is for the heat strips
to kick in when the thing goes into defrost. I waited till warmer
weather to do it so I wouldn't freeze my butt off trying to hook it
up in the winter. I looked in the unit outside and the D terminal
is already connected to the purple wire. But it ends inside the
air handler without being connected to anything. I don't think it
takes a highly educated tech guy to connect 1 wire.
5. So, if R22 is going to be obsolete, what are we gonna do? Does
this mean we have to buy another new unit or will there be a drop-in
replacement for R22 like there was for R12 a few years ago? I used
to convert R12 cars to R134A but not much need for that any more.
Zyp
If it's not that much of a problem, then connect it? What's the problem.
You said anyone can hook up one wire. So what's the problem? Oh, training
is the problem. You don't know which wire or where.... then do like Noonie
says, take a crowbar out, and pry open the wallet. Hire someone who will do
it quicker, and without error. And I don't mean the "I ain't got time
dude."
Zep
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Noon-Air
> 1. This is an EXISTING heat pump that was installed in 2005.
>
> 2. I already called the tech and he says he doesn't know anything about
> that and furthermore, he is too busy to fool with it. He says he has 100
> calls to make on units that are out of service and. Says if my system
> breaks down, call him.
Call a legitmate tech, not the cheapest
> 3. I did not buy this system on the internet, It was installed by
> the above mentioned tech.
then the guy is an idiot
> 4. It's just a simple connection. All I want is for the heat strips
> to kick in when the thing goes into defrost. I waited till warmer
> weather to do it so I wouldn't freeze my butt off trying to hook it
> up in the winter. I looked in the unit outside and the D terminal
> is already connected to the purple wire. But it ends inside the
> air handler without being connected to anything. I don't think it
> takes a highly educated tech guy to connect 1 wire.
Check the schematic for the air handler... it will tell you where it goes.
> 5. So, if R22 is going to be obsolete, what are we gonna do? Does
> this mean we have to buy another new unit or will there be a drop-in
> replacement for R22 like there was for R12 a few years ago? I used
> to convert R12 cars to R134A but not much need for that any more.
Bend over
yes
no
Stormin Mormon
on the trucks. Enough for a while. The new R-410a, which is
marketed as Puron, and some other names. Supposed to do the
job nicely. It won't work in the old systems. As the price
of R-22 goes up, someone is sure to develop a drop in
replacement.
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zero
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>>
>> P is the Positive terminal.
>>
>> D is the Defrost terminal.
>>
>> This stuff ain't Rocket Science, you know.
>
> If it's not that much of a problem, then connect it? What's the problem.
> You said anyone can hook up one wire. So what's the problem? Oh,
> training is the problem. You don't know which wire or where.... then do
> like Noonie says, take a crowbar out, and pry open the wallet. Hire
> someone who will do it quicker, and without error. And I don't mean the
> "I ain't got time dude."
Hi Zyp,
It looks like you got the original poster and soneone who responded to him
a lil basakwards. ... i think? 8-)
-zero
Don Ocean
> There's several years of R-22 out there, in HVAC shops and
> on the trucks. Enough for a while. The new R-410a, which is
> marketed as Puron, and some other names. Supposed to do the
> job nicely. It won't work in the old systems. As the price
> of R-22 goes up, someone is sure to develop a drop in
> replacement.
There are already half a dozen drop in replacements in place.
Check out ATOFINA's, IGC.s, ICR Intenational, and ASPEN websites.
>
Old and Grunpy
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> There's several years of R-22 out there, in HVAC shops and
> on the trucks. Enough for a while. The new R-410a, which is
> marketed as Puron, and some other names. Supposed to do the
> job nicely. It won't work in the old systems. As the price
> of R-22 goes up, someone is sure to develop a drop in
> replacement.
R-MX22 presently available in southern states
Old and Grunpy
look up: HC-12a/134+� and HC-22a/502a� are:
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Steve
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Stormin Mormon
I'll have done several years of working on the new stuff. No
worries.
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Stormin Mormon
and new metering device). The newer equipment is designed
for 134a.
22 is going to, something else. Either a drop in blend, or
maybe the equipment will die by the time it's needed.
502, couple replacements. 408a comes to mind, and the new
404a with new oil and new equipment.
It's all big blur of numbers.
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Steve
can't even get a replacement R-22 3 ton evap coil anymore.... they are not
to be had.
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The Daring Dufas
> most manufactures quit making R-22 stuff last September..... My suppliers
> can't even get a replacement R-22 3 ton evap coil anymore.... they are not
> to be had.
>
Can't you install an R22 metering device on a new coil?
If it won't take an orifice/piston for R22, braze an
expansion valve on it. Have you never converted a system
over to another refrigerant? I've done a number them.
TDD
Noon-Air
for a heat pump.
I have done several conversions also, but that is a gross injustice to the
customer....unless you one of the local low ballers who doesn't give a crap
about anything but grab the money and run.
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The Daring Dufas
> "The Daring Dufas" <the-dari...@stinky.net> wrote in message
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>> Steve wrote:
>>> most manufactures quit making R-22 stuff last September..... My
>>> suppliers can't even get a replacement R-22 3 ton evap coil
>>> anymore.... they are not to be had.
>>>
>>
>> Can't you install an R22 metering device on a new coil?
>> If it won't take an orifice/piston for R22, braze an
>> expansion valve on it. Have you never converted a system
>> over to another refrigerant? I've done a number them.
>>
>> TDD
>
> Thats great if you can find a coil that will fit in a Rheem/RUUD air
> handler for a heat pump.
> I have done several conversions also, but that is a gross injustice to
> the customer....unless you one of the local low ballers who doesn't >
> give
> a crap about anything but grab the money and run.
>
I assumed he was talking about a cased coil, not putting a coil
into an existing case. Good grief, I can't count the times we've
had to cut out an old coil, case and all, and install a new one.
TDD
Noon-Air
The question still remains.... with the HCFC phase-out, does the customer
want to pay the almost $2,000 to replace a leaky coil, or put that money
towards a new system that has a 10 year unit replacement warranty, will cut
their power bills in half, and not have to worry about if the refrigerant
will even be available in the next couple of years.
The whole thing is to present the customer with facts, information, and
hand-outs to back up what you tell them, and let them make the decission of
what they want to do, and if they opt for a new system, let them tell you
what system they want you to install so its win-win. Either way, you want
the customer to be happy to write that big check, and you'll be doing the
happy dance all the way to the bank.
Its all about *service*, not serve-us.
The Daring Dufas
Most of the folks I deal with don't have a
lot of money but we'll still do the most
economical and best job we can. I'll help
out elderly folks every chance I get to
keep someone from taking advantage of them.
One outfit that was around here several years
ago, particularly disgusted me when the owner
bragged about selling an old couple $5,000
worth of equipment when the only problem was
a loose blower door. As you know, it shut down
their system. The guy laughed all the way to
the bank. It's funny, you deal truthfully with
people and they and their friends call you
back.
TDD
Noon-Air
Here in the Mississippi Pinebelt, we have a very high percentage of
retirees. We have had a few companies like that around here... one guy got
run out of town. I don't worry about whats economical to my customers or
what they can afford... thats not any of my business...
I offer them "good, better, best" choices and present them with the facts,
answer their questions, and let them make their own mind up.
When they ask me what I would recommend, I tell them that I am not there to
influence their decission, I am only there to give them information and
answer questions...its their money and their decission.
The Daring Dufas
In that case you are dealing with them honestly, perhaps
dispassionately, but you're being professional and truthful.
I can find no fault with that approach. Here in Alabamastan,
we have crazy Hillbillies who have crazy Hillbilly relatives
who have crazy Hillbilly children who have crazy Hillbilly
dogs and if you cross granny, you'll have every damn one of
then after you.
TDD
Steve
Its not much better here in rural south Mississippi.... just don't have any
hills.
The Daring Dufas
Just crazy flatlander and river delta critters. *snicker*
TDD
Hermann
is they a bounty for em?
The Daring Dufas
Depends on which clan they's part of.
TDD
Hermann
Which clan is doing the buyin and which clan is doin the sellin?
Steve
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Is it "which" clan?? or "the" clan??
The Daring Dufas
No silly, you're thinking of "The Klan". "Clans"
existed long before political correctness,
whining Liberals and the greatest absurdity
of all, "hate speech".
TDD
Steve
>>>>>> In that case you are dealing with them honestly, perhaps
>>>>>> dispassionately, but you're being professional and truthful.
>>>>>> I can find no fault with that approach. Here in Alabamastan,
>>>>>> we have crazy Hillbillies who have crazy Hillbilly relatives
>>>>>> who have crazy Hillbilly children who have crazy Hillbilly
>>>>>> dogs and if you cross granny, you'll have every damn one of
>>>>>> then after you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TDD
>>>>> is they a bounty for em?
>>>> Depends on which clan they's part of.
>>>>
>>>> TDD
>>> Which clan is doing the buyin and which clan is doin the sellin?
>>
>> Is it "which" clan?? or "the" clan??
>
> No silly, you're thinking of "The Klan". "Clans"
> existed long before political correctness,
> whining Liberals and the greatest absurdity
> of all, "hate speech".
>
> TDD
The Klan is still alive and well in this neck of the woods
The Daring Dufas
Yea, I met a few back in the seventies and I
know they're still around even though The Southern
Poverty Lie Center has tried to wipe them out.
TDD