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epie...@woodmarkre.com

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Mar 26, 2007, 11:37:20 PM3/26/07
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I am interested in replacing my Rheem Condensing unit model #CFF-0250-
RFVC. I have a Goodman A30-10 air handler. Does anyone know what
condensing units would be compatible with my Goodman air handler. I
was thinking that the outside unit is a 2.5 ton unit and my house is
1,500 sq/ft. I would like to jump up at least 1/2 a ton if at all
possible on the condensing unit. What do ya'll think?

Thanks

E

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I think you are about to make a clusterfuck into a bigger one.

1500 sq/ft means absolutely NOTHING.

WHY not do a load calculation and install a PROPERLY sized unit???

epie...@woodmarkre.com

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Mar 27, 2007, 12:03:15 AM3/27/07
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On Mar 26, 10:56 pm, <kjpro @ usenet.com> wrote:
> <epiers...@woodmarkre.com> wrote in message

Tight budget and I don't want to replace the air handler if I don't
have to. I have A/C resources but am not a contractor. Are you
telling me the system is already screwed?? What is the PROPER unit
size? 1 ton = 500sq/ft?? Am I wrong? I know there are other factors
that can effect that calc but saying there are no other factors what
do ya think?

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<epie...@woodmarkre.com> wrote in message
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> On Mar 26, 10:56 pm, <kjpro @ usenet.com> wrote:
> > <epiers...@woodmarkre.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:1174966639....@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > > I am interested in replacing my Rheem Condensing unit model #CFF-0250-
> > > RFVC. I have a Goodman A30-10 air handler. Does anyone know what
> > > condensing units would be compatible with my Goodman air handler. I
> > > was thinking that the outside unit is a 2.5 ton unit and my house is
> > > 1,500 sq/ft. I would like to jump up at least 1/2 a ton if at all
> > > possible on the condensing unit. What do ya'll think?
> >
> > > Thanks
> >
> > > E
> >
> > I think you are about to make a clusterfuck into a bigger one.
> >
> > 1500 sq/ft means absolutely NOTHING.
> >
> > WHY not do a load calculation and install a PROPERLY sized unit???
>
> Tight budget and I don't want to replace the air handler if I don't
> have to. I have A/C resources but am not a contractor. Are you
> telling me the system is already screwed??

YEP

> What is the PROPER unit
> size?

DON'T KNOW, I HAVEN'T DONE A LOAD CALCULATION ON YOUR HOME.

> 1 ton = 500sq/ft??

DEPENDS, DO YOU WANT IT DONE PROPERLY?

> Am I wrong?

YES

> I know there are other factors
> that can effect that calc but saying there are no other factors what
> do ya think?

My thinking HAS NOT changed any...

Do a "load calculation", or settle for the quality that you pay for.

Low cost will equal a screwed up system. One that will not only affect your
comfort, but will cost you more in operational cost. You'll NEVER be happy
with it's performance, as you will be having it serviced constantly.

You have a choice, do it *right* now or do it twice. Doing it properly the
first time is a WHOLE lot cheaper.

As far as 1 ton per 500 sq/ft... do you think someone in NY, SD, or CANADA
will need as much cooling as someone in FL, TX or AR?
What if one has 2 x 4 construction vers 2 x 6?
What if one has R13 walls & R19 ceiling insulation vers R19 walls & R30
Ceiling?
What if one has a basement and the other is on a concrete slab?
What if one has twice as many windows?
What if one has sky lights?
What if one has an attached garage?
What if one has a lot of shade?
What if one likes it 68 and the other likes it 78?

The list just keeps going...

First step,

GET A LOAD CALCULATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DIMwit

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Mar 27, 2007, 6:33:34 AM3/27/07
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excellent answer.


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Mar 27, 2007, 8:43:17 AM3/27/07
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<epie...@woodmarkre.com> wrote in message
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I think that you need to trash the 35+ year old Rheem condenser *AND* that
POS Goodman air handler you got now, call a *competent*, licensed, insured,
professionally trained, HVAC techinician do do a complete room-by-room
Manual J heat load/loss calculation, along with a Manual D duct calculation
to correctly size, design, and install your new comfort system.
This is a long term investment that when done correctly, will give you many
years of energy efficient, trouble free operation. OTOH, you can get the
cheapest POS, installed by some stupid fuck that doesn't have a clue, have
your warranty voided from the start, have higher utility bills that what you
have now, have lots of very high repair bills, etc.
Its your money...you can do what you want.


James

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Mar 27, 2007, 9:14:34 AM3/27/07
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Goodman has all their specs on their web site. You should be able to find
out if it is big enough to go to a 3 ton. Obviously a goodman ac condenser
will connect to your airhandler. But just about any other would as well,
you may just need some sheet metal between the two.

You do not want to oversize your ac. If you do it will run for shorter
periods and will not remove enough humidity. The result is cold damp air.
Keep that in mind as your consider upping by a 1/2 ton.

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Noon-Air

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Mar 27, 2007, 9:54:08 AM3/27/07
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"James" <ja...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Goodman has all their specs on their web site. You should be able to find
> out if it is big enough to go to a 3 ton. Obviously a goodman ac
> condenser will connect to your airhandler. But just about any other would
> as well, you may just need some sheet metal between the two.

Guess again..... its got a 10 SEER coil, and all you can get now are 13+SEER
condensing units. Yes it will work, but then so will putting a 426 HEMI in a
Pinto.... the question is....How long will it last before it craps out. You
might also want to check the most recent warranty disclaimers on whatever
brand of condenser you decide to hack in. Rheem for one has just come out
with a new equipment mismatch warranty change......With mismatched(size,
brand, etc) equipment, the condenser/heat pump warranty is reduced to 1 yr
on the compressor and 2 years on the rest of the parts.

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udarrell

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Mar 27, 2007, 11:12:09 AM3/27/07
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kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:

><epie...@woodmarkre.com> wrote in message
>news:1174966639....@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>>I am interested in replacing my Rheem Condensing unit model #CFF-0250-
>>RFVC. I have a Goodman A30-10 air handler. Does anyone know what
>>condensing units would be compatible with my Goodman air handler. I
>>was thinking that the outside unit is a 2.5 ton unit and my house is
>>1,500 sq/ft. I would like to jump up at least 1/2 a ton if at all
>>possible on the condensing unit. What do ya'll think? Thanks E
>>
>>

>I think you are about to make a cluster-fk into a bigger one.


>
>1500 sq/ft means absolutely NOTHING. WHY not do a load calculation and install a PROPERLY sized unit?
>
>

I read the posts all the way down to gofish & must say there is a lot of
detrimental advice in some of the posts.
The first thing to do is everything you can to reduce the heat-gain
heat-loss of your home.
Then have a manual J calc done to determine the load or sizing the new
equipment.

Forget the 500-sq/ft per ton nonsense! I cool over 900-sq/ft first floor
with a half-ton 6,000-btu/hr in a 1930's home with leaky windows.
This is in SW WI with up to 104 Heat Indexes.
It does a perfect job with no cooling upstairs; the moment you go up the
stairs ou enter the hot air.
When I turn the other small room a/c on it cools th small bedroom,
hallway & bathroom. I use floor fans to circulate the air.
http://www.udarrell.com/airconditioner_current_temperature_btuh_charting.html


There is nothing wrong with Goodman equipment however I would go NO
higher than a 14-Seer unless you live in Florida or southern most Texas.
The 14-SEER has the Scroll compressor the standard 13-SEER does not, I
would not buy a condenser that did not have a scroll compressor.

Have every aspect of the entire ductwork system thoroughly checked.
http://www.udarrell.com/proper_cfm_btuh_duct_sizing_air_conditioning_systems.html


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Mar 27, 2007, 7:18:32 PM3/27/07
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Bubba wrote:
> I think since you "Have A/C resources" you should go ask your
> resource.
> He should know that with your Goodman A30-10 you can go all the way up
> to 7-1/2 ton with that unit. Just use a .08687549 piston.
> Make sure you drain and flush system the new condenser oil and
> recharge with a good 5W40 SAE oil. Then surface spray the new unit
> with a Boric acid water mixture and belt sand the new outdoor coil
> till its nice and shiney.
> Bubba
buff your buffer...

epie...@woodmarkre.com

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Mar 27, 2007, 9:07:54 PM3/27/07
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On Mar 27, 8:55 am, gof...@gonefishin.net wrote:
> in todays market place the only thing compatible with your goodman air
> handler is a 10 seer condenser. get the cheapest one you can find on
> e bay or the web. install it yourself. you'll save thousands. bank
> the savings, because you will need it......with 1500 sq ft, you'll
> need at least 3.5 tons. Go for 4, for that extra margin of 'coolness'
> for those really hot 100+ days coming up this summer. global warming
> ya know....

Thanks for your post and for acknowleding that I'm not a complete
idiot. I never stated I was an expert or know it all, that is why I
am here asking these questions. With that being said let me clarify
my situation, I live in Houston, TX....I have a 1 floor house......I
have single pane windows.......my duct work seems fine (no damage nor
leaks),,,,the unit currently pushes out 60F on 80F days....my electric
bill has been 190 at the most durring the summer......I run my unit at
75 and that's good enough for us to sleep at nite..........yes it is
hot as hell down here........I'm not too concerned it the unit runs
and turns off too quick.....the unit I have now currently runs it's
ass off......especially on 95F days...literally runs and runs can't
keep up with the "air loss" in the home.....I have a "low pitch" roof
which heats up very quick....the attic acess door is above the return
air........and the thermostat is across from the return air

Thanks,
E

Jeffrey Lebowski

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Mar 28, 2007, 2:46:22 AM3/28/07
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<epie...@woodmarkre.com> wrote in message
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<snip>

> my situation, I live in Houston, TX....I have a 1 floor house......I
> have single pane windows.......my duct work seems fine (no damage nor
> leaks),,,,the unit currently pushes out 60F on 80F days....

<snip>

> the unit I have now currently runs it's
> ass off......especially on 95F days...literally runs and runs can't
> keep up with the "air loss" in the home.....

Suggest replace all those single pane windows before even considering making
any changes to your ac system.

No shit.

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With the POS here (that's in the design stage), it's not going to matter
much. :-)

Jeffrey Lebowski

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Ya well--does kinda sound like it's "designed" for max of 80 deg oa.....

Hmm...maybe should just add a few window units...

<G>

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James

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Mar 28, 2007, 8:47:57 AM3/28/07
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I was assuming that all he is keeping is the ar handler. The question was
"what size ac is compatible with my air handler". I (perhaps unwisely)
assumed that he meant the air handler, not the inside coil, because he said
air handler. I agree, the inside coil needs to match the outside unit. As
long as the air handler has enough cfm for a 3 ton ac then he does not need
to replace the air handler. But he should buy a complete ac set, outside
unit and inside coil.


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udarrell

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Mar 28, 2007, 9:33:52 AM3/28/07
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Jeffrey Lebowski wrote:

Since he didn't respond to my prior post & doesn't listen to advice, I
figure he will end up screwing up big-time!
Houston,TX, huh. Summer Design is 95-Dry Bulb. 77-Wet Bulb or 18 degree
drop, around 44% Relative Humidity.
I thought there should be a higher humidity down there, - Stated ARI
Figures.

Go back & read the advice I gave you in my prior post, or throw you
money to the wind.
http://www.udarrell.com/proper_cfm_btuh_duct_sizing_air_conditioning_systems.html
- udarrell

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You can count on this...

>
http://www.udarrell.com/proper_cfm_btuh_duct_sizing_air_conditioning_systems

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"James" <ja...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> I was assuming that all he is keeping is the ar handler. The question was
> "what size ac is compatible with my air handler". I (perhaps unwisely)
> assumed that he meant the air handler, not the inside coil, because he
said
> air handler. I agree, the inside coil needs to match the outside unit.
As
> long as the air handler has enough cfm for a 3 ton ac then he does not
need
> to replace the air handler. But he should buy a complete ac set, outside
> unit and inside coil.


Yeah, Steve knows this as well.
But the fact is, he was telling you that not many 13+ SEER coils are going
to fit into his smaller AH.

jamesgangnc

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On Mar 28, 1:03 pm, <kjpro @ usenet.com> wrote:
> "James" <j...@nospam.com> wrote in message

>
> news:1utOh.17446$tD2....@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
> > I was assuming that all he is keeping is the ar handler. The question was
> > "what size ac is compatible with my air handler". I (perhaps unwisely)
> > assumed that he meant the air handler, not the inside coil, because he
> said
> > air handler. I agree, the inside coil needs to match the outside unit.
> As
> > long as the air handler has enough cfm for a 3 ton ac then he does not
> need
> > to replace the air handler. But he should buy a complete ac set, outside
> > unit and inside coil.
>
> Yeah, Steve knows this as well.
> But the fact is, he was telling you that not many 13+ SEER coils are going
> to fit into his smaller AH.
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Noon-Air" <Noon-...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >news:9_ydnU_fz8qYv5Tb...@comcast.com...
>
> > > "James" <j...@nospam.com> wrote in message

> > >news:_M8Oh.17021$tD2....@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> > >> Goodman has all their specs on their web site. You should be able to
> > >> find out if it is big enough to go to a 3 ton. Obviously a goodman ac
> > >> condenser will connect to your airhandler. But just about any other
> > >> would as well, you may just need some sheet metal between the two.
>
> > > Guess again..... its got a 10 SEER coil, and all you can get now are
> > > 13+SEER condensing units. Yes it will work, but then so will putting a
> 426
> > > HEMI in a Pinto.... the question is....How long will it last before it
> > > craps out. You might also want to check the most recent warranty
> > > disclaimers on whatever brand of condenser you decide to hack in. Rheem
> > > for one has just come out with a new equipment mismatch warranty
> > > change......With mismatched(size, brand, etc) equipment, the
> > > condenser/heat pump warranty is reduced to 1 yr on the compressor and 2
> > > years on the rest of the parts.
>
> > >> You do not want to oversize your ac. If you do it will run for shorter
> > >> periods and will not remove enough humidity. The result is cold damp
> > >> air. Keep that in mind as your consider upping by a 1/2 ton.
>
> > >> <epiers...@woodmarkre.com> wrote in message

> > >>news:1174966639....@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> > >>>I am interested in replacing my Rheem Condensing unit model #CFF-0250-
> > >>> RFVC. I have a Goodman A30-10 air handler. Does anyone know what
> > >>> condensing units would be compatible with my Goodman air handler. I
> > >>> was thinking that the outside unit is a 2.5 ton unit and my house is
> > >>> 1,500 sq/ft. I would like to jump up at least 1/2 a ton if at all
> > >>> possible on the condensing unit. What do ya'll think?
>
> > >>> Thanks
>
> > >>> E- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Then he should say that.

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I did, your just too ignorant to figure it out


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He did (in different words) and if anyone in the trade couldn't get that,
they need to change professions!!!!


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> the point that is lost to so many contractors is the fact that the
> customers money is his to spend how he sees fit.
>
> conventional wisdom would say upgrade the glazing & insulation prior
> to upgrading the ac system, but sometimes the budget doesnt allow for
> all of that, and the bottom line is when its hotter than hell outside,
> we want our damned ac, period. Do we really care how much the
> electricity costs us when the choice is stay cool or roast thru the
> night trying to get a few hours sleep?
>
> We all know his existing duct system is marginal at best, and when
> connected to 13 seer equipment, he's going to have problems.
> So now factor in a new air distribution system as well, crammed into
> that low pitched roof. Now what's the budget?

Bankrupt!!

>
>http://www.udarrell.com/proper_cfm_btuh_duct_sizing_air_conditioning_system

epie...@woodmarkre.com

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> > <kjpro @ usenet.com> wrote:
>
> > >"udarrell" <anonymo...@anonymous.com> wrote in message

> > >news:49uOh.18271$G23....@newsreading01.news.tds.net...
> > >> Jeffrey Lebowski wrote:
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> > >> ><kjpro @ usenet.com> wrote in message
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> > >> >>"Jeffrey Lebowski" <The_D...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > >> >>><epiers...@woodmarkre.com> wrote in message
> >http://www.udarrell.com/proper_cfm_btuh_duct_sizing_air_conditioning_...

> s
> > >.html
> > >> - udarrell
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OK I guess I started a crap storm at this place.........Let me ask you
this if my air handler is ok for a 3 ton unit then what about my
inside coils???? I know all of you are going to say I need to chance
that as well soooo....how do I find out what the maximum or what the
compatibility is for the inside coil??? Basically how do I tell if it
will handle a 3 ton unit??

Thanks
E

I bow down to the A/C GODS!!!!

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>
> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >OK I guess I started a crap storm at this place.........Let me ask you
> >this if my air handler is ok for a 3 ton unit then what about my
> >inside coils???? I know all of you are going to say I need to chance
> >that as well soooo....how do I find out what the maximum or what the
> >compatibility is for the inside coil??? Basically how do I tell if it
> >will handle a 3 ton unit??
>
> >Thanks
> >E
>
> >I bow down to the A/C GODS!!!!
>
> post the make, model & serial number for each component. If you cant
> find a model number for the condensing unit, post the numbers on the
> compressor. model numbers will tell us capacity, serial numbers tell
> us age.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Condensor make Rheem
Compressor model # CFF1-0250-RFVC Serial # 8110853914

Evaporator coil.....I can not find the model nor the serial
#.....where should it be??

Air handler Goodman
Model # A30-10
Serial # 9709004677

Thanks,
E

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On Mar 28, 8:10 pm, Bubba <LiKeAlAkErem...@iname.com> wrote:

> On 28 Mar 2007 17:56:30 -0700, epiers...@woodmarkre.com wrote:
>
>
>
> >Condensor make Rheem
> >Compressor model # CFF1-0250-RFVC Serial # 8110853914
>
> >Evaporator coil.....I can not find the model nor the serial
> >#.....where should it be??
>
> >Air handler Goodman
> >Model # A30-10
> >Serial # 9709004677
>
> >Thanks,
> >E
>
> Its a 1997 Goodman air handler that will handle 30,000 BTU of cooling.
> (With the correct refrigerant metering device)
> The Condenser is a 24,000 BTU (25 if you want to get particular) and
> probably 1981 but who cares.
> Your welcome.
> Now go buy a new one and get a new thermostat, maybe a ductbooster and
> a 25 yr labor warranty.
> Bubba

So the air handler will handle a 3 ton but nothing.....and you're
saying that the condensor I cuttently have is a 2.5 ton......I'm gonna
go with a 3 ton and I've already installed a new T-stat but I have no
idea what a duct booster is gonna look it up.......thanks a bunch I'm
sure your customers are very pleased with you since you actually have
some personallity and don't talk like a freaking manual or robot.....

Much Appreciated
E

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Stick a fork in him, Bubba, he's done :-)

Nice catch, don't forget to take a picture when you get back
to the dock :-)


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> On Mar 28, 8:10 pm, Bubba <LiKeAlAkErem...@iname.com> wrote:
> > On 28 Mar 2007 17:56:30 -0700, epiers...@woodmarkre.com wrote:
> >
> > Its a 1997 Goodman air handler that will handle 30,000 BTU of cooling.
> > (With the correct refrigerant metering device)
> > The Condenser is a 24,000 BTU (25 if you want to get particular) and
> > probably 1981 but who cares.
> > Your welcome.
> > Now go buy a new one and get a new thermostat, maybe a ductbooster and
> > a 25 yr labor warranty.
> > Bubba
>
> So the air handler will handle a 3 ton but nothing.....

NO. It will handle 2-1/2 ton MAX.

> and you're
> saying that the condensor I cuttently have is a 2.5 ton......

NO. Its 2 tons, and if you upsize it to 2-1/2 then make sure the metering
device gets changed out to handle the additional refrigeranrt mass volume

> I'm gonna
> go with a 3 ton and I've already installed

NO. IF you do that, then its gonna trip out on high head and your seer is
gonna drop like a rock.

> a new T-stat but I have no

Which probly didnt hurt things any...

> idea what a duct booster is gonna look it up.......

He was just messin with you above on the duck booster

> thanks a bunch I'm
> sure your customers are very pleased with you since you actually have
> some personallity and don't talk like a freaking manual or robot.....
>

Umm...cat's done got my fucking tongue

> Much Appreciated
> E
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"Jeffrey Lebowski" <The_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> > thanks a bunch I'm
> > sure your customers are very pleased with you since you actually have
> > some personallity and don't talk like a freaking manual or robot.....
> >
>
> Umm...cat's done got my fucking tongue
>

OH..

Almost forgot :

FIRST, FIX THE FUCKING WINDOWS !!!!

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<.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
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Get lost Asshole, you're an idiot.

I tried to help (as others did too), but you're to stupid to comprehend the
information.

Air handler is 30,000 BTU which is 2.5 tons... NOT 3 like you stated above!
Condensor is 24,000 BTU which is 2 tons... NOT 2.5 like you stated above!

Now fuck off, as I'm done with your sorry ass. Some people just don't know
good advice when they read it.

BTW, I was right from the beginning... this is going to be a bigger
clusterfuck after you mess with it.

James

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30k is actually 2.5 ton and 24k is 2 ton. So your air handler fan will only
accomidate up to 2.5 tons and your current coil is a 2 ton coil. 3 ton is
likely to be oversized. You really need someone to do a load calculation to
determine the right size. Oversizing results in damp cold air and that
sucks comfort wise. If you really want to keep your current air handler you
might have to remove the inside coil and replace it with a cased coil that
goes with the new outside unit. That may or may not take some sheet metal
work. Air handlers are pretty cheap comparatively so simply getting a new
airhandler with the right coil probably will not cost much more than what it
will cost to retain your old one since you will need a new coil anyway and
you then will have all new. If you factor in the labor it's probably a
wash. You definately do not want to simply buy a new outside unit and have
it hooked to the existing coil.

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On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:11:03 GMT, "James" <ja...@nospam.com> wrote:

>30k is actually 2.5 ton and 24k is 2 ton. So your air handler fan will only
>accomidate up to 2.5 tons and your current coil is a 2 ton coil. 3 ton is
>likely to be oversized. You really need someone to do a load calculation to
>determine the right size. Oversizing results in damp cold air and that
>sucks comfort wise. If you really want to keep your current air handler you
>might have to remove the inside coil and replace it with a cased coil that
>goes with the new outside unit. That may or may not take some sheet metal

And it won't fucking work. Do you know what a 'CFM' is ?

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On Mar 29, 9:22 am, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:

> On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:11:03 GMT, "James" <j...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >30k is actually 2.5 ton and 24k is 2 ton. So your air handler fan will only
> >accomidate up to 2.5 tons and your current coil is a 2 ton coil. 3 ton is
> >likely to be oversized. You really need someone to do a load calculation to
> >determine the right size. Oversizing results in damp cold air and that
> >sucks comfort wise. If you really want to keep your current air handler you
> >might have to remove the inside coil and replace it with a cased coil that
> >goes with the new outside unit. That may or may not take some sheet metal
>
> And it won't fucking work. Do you know what a 'CFM' is ?
>
>
>
>
>
> >work. Air handlers are pretty cheap comparatively so simply getting a new
> >airhandler with the right coil probably will not cost much more than what it
> >will cost to retain your old one since you will need a new coil anyway and
> >you then will have all new. If you factor in the labor it's probably a
> >wash. You definately do not want to simply buy a new outside unit and have
> >it hooked to the existing coil.
>
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Apparently you can't read.

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>
> just curious Jeffery, but is your definition of a duck

Quack.

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>
> > I'm gonna
> > go with a 3 ton and I've already installed
>
> NO. IF you do that, then its gonna trip out on high head and your seer is
> gonna drop like a rock.
>

Meant to say will freeze and low suction....was thinking heat pumps...

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It's not like the OP would know any difference!! :-)


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