Fiberboard duct a carcinogen?
Martin Burger
air/heating outfit. He said that my unit was "spreading carcinogens
particles throughout my house". He suggested replacing all the
fiberboard sections at the cost of $3000!
The writing on the label on the duct say as follows:
CSG
Environmental Control Duct Systems
Standard Duty Rectangular Air Duct
Underwriters Laboratories Inc
Air Duct Material
Class 1 (Form A) Issue No. 4268
...
Any truth to his claim - or is this some sort of scam to convert a
simple service call to a major job.
Many thanks
Marty
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"Martin Burger" <martin...@pobox.com> wrote in message
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> My central air was in an unbalanced state so I called a local
> air/heating outfit. He said that my unit was "spreading carcinogens
> particles throughout my house". He suggested replacing all the
> fiberboard sections at the cost of $3000!
Carcinogen:
Carcinogen
Definition
a.. A carcinogen is a substance that causes cancer (or is believed to
cause cancer).
b.. A carcinogenic material is one that is known to cause cancer.
c.. The process of forming cancer cells from normal cells or carcinomas is
called carcinogenesis.
>
> The writing on the label on the duct say as follows:
>
> CSG
> Environmental Control Duct Systems
> Standard Duty Rectangular Air Duct
> Underwriters Laboratories Inc
> Air Duct Material
> Class 1 (Form A) Issue No. 4268
> ...
>
> Any truth to his claim - or is this some sort of scam to convert a
> simple service call to a major job.
Fiberglass...thats all ductboard is. Ever see the clouds of fiberglass
particles in the air when they cut it to make it? No...of course not..
Now...if fiberglass is known to cause lung cancer when you get lots of
little particles there...whaddya think?
Its not a scam..ductboard sucks royal ass..
I never use it, wont use it.
>
> Many thanks
> Marty
Vicki Szaszvari
new one to me. I should be dying any day with all the fiberglass I've
inhaled and crawled through in the past.
Vicki
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"Martin Burger" <martin...@pobox.com> wrote in message
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go fish
be08a907.04070...@posting.google.com
Marty, you were in the presence of an uninformed hack.
If you want facts, this opinionated ng is not the source you should be
researching.
here, try one manufacturer. see what they have to say.
http://www.certainteed.com./CertainTeed/Pro/Contractor/Insulation/
CBHVAC
"Vicki Szaszvari" <vickin...@usa.net> wrote in message
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> If that's true, it means that fiberglass causes cancer. That's a
> new one to me. I should be dying any day with all the fiberglass I've
> inhaled and crawled through in the past.
http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=35439
Joseph
into the lungs as easily. Its use maybe restricted in the future, if what
I've heard rumored is true.
Joseph
"Vicki Szaszvari" <vickin...@usa.net> wrote in message
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TURTLE
This is Turtle.
I could not call it a scam or not , but the breathing of fiber glass fibers just
can't be good for you. I stop using Duct board about 6 or 7 years ago. The ideal
of any fibers in the air ways of hvac systems is not to my liking. I have read
what they have had to say here on the website posted and it lead me to think it
is suppose to not all that bad for you but did leave the door open to call it a
cancer causing stuff in the future with more research. There just has not had
enough time to see.
Now the Sheetmetal ducts they will replace it with will have fiber glass
insulation on the inside of the sheet metal duct too. It will be a better
insulation and looks to me to be more of a hold together type insulation and I
think it would not come off as easy as Duct Board would.
I would not be so fast to jump and pull it out for just the fibers being in the
air but if you have any modification to the system in the near future. i would
replace it with sheet metal duct.
I would call this a judgement call here.
TURTLE
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Don Ocean
Vicki Szaszvari wrote:
> If that's true, it means that fiberglass causes cancer. That's a
> new one to me. I should be dying any day with all the fiberglass I've
> inhaled and crawled through in the past.
>
>
> Vicki
aaayup! Fiberglass insulation is considered more carcinogenic then
classII asbestos. The modern insulation batts are now encased in a
sealed plastic bag and have to be purchased in the correct sizes..
Care must be taken not to puncture the containment bag of each batt
as it is installed. And yes... Isn't it amazing that we all survived
an onslaught of DDT, Strontium 90, asbestos, and fiberglass? Hmmmm?
Maybe we have mutated.. Noticed any third eyes lately? ;-)
Hmmmm? I forgot to mention Radon Gas..
Don Ocean
Stormin Mormon wrote:
> Well, I wouldn't reccomend rolling it and smoking it.
>
> As to the rest of it, I'm not sure.
Hmmm? I thought you Mormons were against smoking anything..
>
American Mechanical
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>
> "Vicki Szaszvari" <vickin...@usa.net> wrote in message
> news:40E77E70...@usa.net...
> > If that's true, it means that fiberglass causes cancer. That's a
> > new one to me. I should be dying any day with all the fiberglass I've
> > inhaled and crawled through in the past.
>
> http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=35439
Dammit. I was gonna use that to bow out of any future attic jobs. That
last paragraph sounds fishy, I think we should spend a couple trillion
dollars researching this until we find it is a carcinogen.....
a.. 2001- The IARC working group revised their previous classification of
glass wool being a possible carcinogen. It is currently considered not
classifiable as a human carcinogen. Studies done in the past 15 years since
the previous report was released, do not provide enough evidence to link
this material to any cancer risk.
- Robert
PS - I still won't be installing ductboard nor voluntarilary breathing tiny
shards of glass any time soon!
~KJPRO~
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> This is Turtle.
> Now the Sheetmetal ducts they will replace it with will have fiber glass
> insulation on the inside of the sheet metal duct too. It will be a better
> insulation and looks to me to be more of a hold together type insulation
and I
> think it would not come off as easy as Duct Board would.
Or, the sheet metal duct will be covered on the outside with fiber or foil
insulation.:-)
~kjpro~
TURTLE
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> >
> > "Vicki Szaszvari" <vickin...@usa.net> wrote in message
> > news:40E77E70...@usa.net...
> > > If that's true, it means that fiberglass causes cancer. That's a
> > > new one to me. I should be dying any day with all the fiberglass I've
> > > inhaled and crawled through in the past.
> >
> > http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=35439
>
> Dammit. I was gonna use that to bow out of any future attic jobs. That
> last paragraph sounds fishy, I think we should spend a couple trillion
> dollars researching this until we find it is a carcinogen.....
>
> a.. 2001- The IARC working group revised their previous classification of
> glass wool being a possible carcinogen. It is currently considered not
> classifiable as a human carcinogen. Studies done in the past 15 years since
> the previous report was released, do not provide enough evidence to link
> this material to any cancer risk.
>
> - Robert
>
> PS - I still won't be installing ductboard nor voluntarilary breathing tiny
> shards of glass any time soon!
>
This is Turtle
It took the 20 years to figure out that smoking Cigerette causes Cancer but how
long do you think it will take to figure out duct board or small fibers of glass
in your lung is not good for you or causes cancer.
Have you breathed in you fiber glass today.
TURTLE
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> "TURTLE" <tur...@worldnetla.net> wrote in message
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>
> > This is Turtle.
>
> > Now the Sheetmetal ducts they will replace it with will have fiber glass
> > insulation on the inside of the sheet metal duct too. It will be a better
> > insulation and looks to me to be more of a hold together type insulation
> and I
> > think it would not come off as easy as Duct Board would.
>
>
> Or, the sheet metal duct will be covered on the outside with fiber or foil
> insulation.:-)
>
> ~kjpro~
>
>
This is Turtle.
Yea, it has a Glue type bonding to keep it from coming off. I have not seen the
foil cover yet.
Now the duct board around here has the fibers sticking out like the Gold type
from Certiantee stuff. That stuff will come off as air comes by it.
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> > "TURTLE" <tur...@worldnetla.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > > This is Turtle.
> >
> > > Now the Sheetmetal ducts they will replace it with will have fiber
glass
> > > insulation on the inside of the sheet metal duct too. It will be a
better
> > > insulation and looks to me to be more of a hold together type
insulation
> > and I
> > > think it would not come off as easy as Duct Board would.
> >
> >
> > Or, the sheet metal duct will be covered on the outside with fiber or
foil
> > insulation.:-)
> >
> > ~kjpro~
> >
> >
>
> This is Turtle.
>
> Yea, it has a Glue type bonding to keep it from coming off. I have not
seen the
> foil cover yet.
Yea, I'm familiar with the stuff you talk about, I just like the foil
better.
(we use it for radiant floor installs too, but vinyl on one side)
> Now the duct board around here has the fibers sticking out like the Gold
type
> from Certiantee stuff. That stuff will come off as air comes by it.
If, and that's only *if* I use it for a return distribution box, I use the
Ceertainteed with the felt covering.
(that is better for some installs when the box is in the attic)
~kjpro~
Noon-Air
> air/heating outfit. He said that my unit was "spreading carcinogens
> particles throughout my house". He suggested replacing all the
> fiberboard sections at the cost of $3000!
That would be a good thing.... the local codes here (Hattiesburg, MS)
prohibit the use of ductboard. The only fiberglass in/on the ductwork is 2
inch foil faced wrap on the outside of tin duct pipe. The local codes here
also prohibit the use of flex duct inside the city limits (no code
enforcement in the unincorporated areas).
> Any truth to his claim - or is this some sort of scam to convert a
> simple service call to a major job.
Its not a scam.... to leave the ductboard in place and not correct a
potentially serious problem, is kinda foolish if you ask me.
Tin ductwork, when correctly sized and installed will last the life of the
house.
> Many thanks
> Marty
Your welcome
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Vicki Szaszvari
Don Ocean wrote:
>
> aaayup! Fiberglass insulation is considered more carcinogenic then
> classII asbestos. The modern insulation batts are now encased in a
> sealed plastic bag and have to be purchased in the correct sizes..
> Care must be taken not to puncture the containment bag of each batt
> as it is installed. And yes... Isn't it amazing that we all survived
> an onslaught of DDT, Strontium 90, asbestos, and fiberglass? Hmmmm?
> Maybe we have mutated.. Noticed any third eyes lately? ;-)
> Hmmmm? I forgot to mention Radon Gas..
>
And yet they still sell fiberglass air filters, don't they?
Someone is not all that concerned about it.
Vicki
American Mechanical
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