I've been monitoring (aka, "lurking in") this group off and on for about
a year as we've planned and partially executed a basement renovation
project. I posted a question last August (2000) about direct venting
high efficiency boilers, and your responses were very helpful in
formulating our decision not to do that. (In case you're interested, I
was subsequently told by an architect that it is never legal to direct
vent a boiler in the city of Chicago.)
I have one more question that I hope you won't mind my asking. We have
hot water heat in our 105 year old city rowhouse, and rather than
installing bulky baseboards on an old cracked cement floor, we decided
to tear up the old basement floor and install radiant heat in a new
one. (Level the floor, save space and gain some headroom, all in one
fell swoop.) So far, everything seems to be proceeding as planned --
the Wirsbo tubing is buried in the floor and the new boiler is about to
Which is where the question comes up. My HVAC contractor and I had
discussed a range of possible boilers and pretty much settled on a
Burnham or Weil-McLain. I told him I didn't care as long as it was a
solid, high quality product. In other words, don't get an inexpensive
boiler, get a good one. Now last week, he showed up with a New Yorker
boiler, and until I saw it down there I had never heard of it. I
questioned his choice and he said, "It's made by Burnham; it's the same
Well, I did some online research and I've found out New Yorker is indeed
owned by Burnham. But I don't think they are "made by" Burnham, and I
certainly don't think they are the same thing. From what I can tell,
New Yorkers are steel and Burnham and W-M are cast iron. So should I be
concerned about this? Should I ask him to take it back and bring in a
Burnham instead? I hate to ask him to remove and replace something so
cumbersome (especially since it might piss him off, excuse my French),
but we never discussed New Yorker and I'm sensing I might be getting
slightly scammed here. On the other hand, if New Yorker is a quality
product, I'll be fine with that.
Anyway, that's the story. If you feel like responding, I would most
appreciate it. If not, I'll understand that, too. And if you tell me
to go f*** myself for bothering you . . . well, I live in the big city
so that would be about par for the course anyway. : )
Thanks a bunch. This group is not only informative, it's pretty
Thanks for the information, though, d'Rado. This means I definitely have to
have a serious discussion with my contractor.
Don Tomei <d...@christ-tomei.com> wrote in message
> Well, I did some online research and I've found out New Yorker is indeed
> owned by Burnham. But I don't think they are "made by" Burnham, and I
> certainly don't think they are the same thing. From what I can tell,
> New Yorkers are steel and Burnham and W-M are cast iron.
> So should I be
> concerned about this?
Yes. He's sliding a steel boiler into the space where he promised a cast
> Should I ask him to take it back and bring in a
> Burnham instead?
Your call. Is the job cost plus, or contract? If the latter, I'd have
him replace it, and watch him close for other details....
> I hate to ask him to remove and replace something so
> cumbersome (especially since it might piss him off, excuse my French),
> but we never discussed New Yorker and I'm sensing I might be getting
> slightly scammed here.
You might be, but then again.... Burnham came out with a "new" steel
boiler after the 'acquisition', and it looked like the more foreword
thinking Burnham engineers had kicked some butt in the NY R&D dept.
Swing door, three pass design.
Perhaps NY has come out with a "new" cast iron boiler which, oddly
enough, looks a lot like a Burnham; just green instead of blue. What
color is it?
> On the other hand, if New Yorker is a quality
> product, I'll be fine with that.
It is. It is one of the best steel boilers on the market. Many of the
ones i dealt with 30 years ago are still at work. Some must have been
recycled, but I dunno.
> Anyway, that's the story. If you feel like responding, I would most
> appreciate it. If not, I'll understand that, too. And if you tell me
> to go f*** myself for bothering you . . . well, I live in the big city
> so that would be about par for the course anyway. : )
> Thanks a bunch. This group is not only informative, it's pretty
> entertaining too.
> Don Tomei
Well, don't go fuLk yerself, but don't get fluked either. If you were
promised a C.I. boiler, and are going to pay for one, be sure you get
it, as well as all the rest of the equipment and fittings
mentioned/implied in the contract. Ask about circulator isolation
valves, for example.
If you were told "I'll give you a deal, this won't cost as much as it
might" you may consider the bargain of having the house heated for less
money verses having a unit that might well be running after you are
dead, at a lofty age, of natural causes.
Oh, and one more thing about Burnham. They feature cast iron push
nipples between the sections, rather than steel or >shudder< gaskets.
Like material expands and contracts at the same rate......
The inside of the boiler (I don't know what you call it, the guts that
hold the water) is made by Burnham and it is indeed cast iron. I don't
know if they just started doing this, but the local distributer said
that New Yorker is new to this particular market and that's why people
here are unfamiliar with it.
From what you've said about New Yorker, I don't need to be concerned
about general quality. If Burnham makes the sections for New Yorker the
same way they make their own, like with the cast iron push nipples you
mentioned, it should be a dandy.
FYI, the boiler is green. Looks fine to me, then again how would I know
Bottom line, I think it's a damn fine boiler. Thanks for all your
help. (Now if they would just get it up and running before the first
frost hits, I'll be in hog heavan.)