Bryant Blower Motor Loud Startup
Jim Conway
Anyway, I have a Bryant condensing furnace Model 340MAV on which the
blower motor makes a loud/brief hum/vibration noise on startup.
Startup Cap was easy/cheap enough to replace, but did not fix the
problem. Is my blower motor going bad or is there something else I
should look at first before bringing it in to an electric motor shp
for a checkup?
Thanks in advance!!!
Grumpy
when motor is starting up
you should be with in 10% of rated voltage, anything less that is your
problem.
"Jim Conway" <gotna...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Jim Conway
> On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 08:19:42 -0800 (PST), Jim Conway
LOL! I would have figured that out if it had a newspaper. That's the
difference between a pro (you) and a novice (me)...
Don Ocean
Could be a number of things. Run Capacitor too small, to start winding
having shorted windings. Which is worse? Cold or a slightly noisy
startup. you could leave the motor on constant run.
Stormin Mormon
company with experience in furnaces. I can think of a couple
problems it could be.
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"Jim Conway" <gotna...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Existential Angst
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> You could take it to a motor shop, or you could call a HVAC
> company with experience in furnaces. I can think of a couple
> problems it could be.
And those.... would..... be........
Funny, Stormin, when you post on ahr, you almost sound normal, but when you
post here, you sound like the rest of these turf-protecting semi-litirit
broke-assed assholes.
Whazzup? Split personality? Or show-boating, fer yer asshole
"""""""colleagues""""""??
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Existential Angst
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I can't imagine dat "check-up" will be cheap.... not to mention the pita of
removing the blower.
I gather this noise is relatively recent? If it was always there, then I
wouldn't worry much.
Cupla things you can try.
Easiest is to put an ampprobe on, check the starting current and run
current, see if those are in order.
Problem with starting current is that it is transient, and most digital
probes aren't fast-acting, so it helps to have an old analog one -- or
likely a very expensive digital. You can get cheapie digitals for like $10
from HF.
If these currents are significantly higher than the ratings, that may
indicate an eventual burnout, but not always.
I have a Magnatek 5 hp blower motor whoe current readings are about twice
that of a baldor 10 hp. Can't figger it out, cuz the motor is quiet, runs
great. I'm figgering it's some impedance thingy, characteristic of the
motor, but not really sure.
And, as someone mentioned, check the voltage while yer at it.
120 V is usually just 120 V, but if it's running at 200+, it oculd be
anywhere from 208 to 240 V. Some motors can accommodate this range, others
can't.
Next, remove the motor, see if makes this noise outside the enclosure.
This *could* be just momentary resonance of sorts, from worn rubber, loose
screws, etc, or Bryants shitty sheet metal. Mebbe check these before
removing, as removing blowers can be a pita. See if the squirrel cage is
shifting on on the shaft at start up, or sumpn.
Also try running the motor without the squirrel cage, check the noise -- and
check the no-load amps, fwiw.
If you remove the blower, try to check the bearings. Some movement of the
shaft "in/out" is fine (mebbe 1/8"), but ANY movement side-to-side is a
bearing problem. Usually this results in chronic running noise, but mebbe
in the beginning it could manifest as just start up. Lube the motor while
out, if possible.
There could also be screws loose on the motor housing, itself. That would
partially explain sumpn like this, due to the momentary larger torque on
start up, bending shit a little more.
That's what I would do, at any rate.
If any of these assholes decide to pipe up, you might get another angle --
but I doubt it.
Altho The King did point out, correctly, that your cap was a run, not a
start cap, so there proly was no need to change it.
You can try posting on alt.home.repair, some knowledgeable people there, or
on rec.crafts.metalworking, who know everything about everything and are
willing to help -- quite a refreshing change from this effing shithole.
--
EA
>
> Thanks in advance!!!
Existential Angst
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You can also just smell the motor, for any existing damage, ito burnt
windings. Very characteristic odor, altho you may need a little experience
to really know. Even old burnt windings have this smell, kind of acrid and
sweet at the same time.
If you know there is no presence of this odor, then electrically the motor
is proly OK -- so far.
I have a hunch it's a resonance issue, mebbe exacerbated by sumpn loose.
Given the hot water issues in yer typical trailer park, I have an idea the
assholes on this ng smell much like a burnt motor -- plus some Old Spice or
some bullshit.
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Mike Hunt
"Existential Angst" <UNfi...@UNoptonline.net> wrote in message
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> news:17d29a59-3063-4d1e...@u7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>> Merry Christmas, Season's Greetings, Happy Holidays!
>> Anyway, I have a Bryant condensing furnace Model 340MAV on which the
>> blower motor makes a loud/brief hum/vibration noise on startup.
>> Startup Cap was easy/cheap enough to replace, but did not fix the
>> problem. Is my blower motor going bad or is there something else I
>> should look at first before bringing it in to an electric motor shp
>> for a checkup?
>
> I can't imagine dat "check-up" will be cheap.... not to mention the pita
> of removing the blower.
>
> I gather this noise is relatively recent? If it was always there, then I
<EE worthless BS snipped>
You fool! STFU and let the pros handle this one. Your fat-ass EE degree
don't give you any training on this real-world stuff.
Get the hell out of this group and do not ever post again.
Friggin' idiot...
Hermann
> "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> You could take it to a motor shop, or you could call a HVAC
>> company with experience in furnaces. I can think of a couple
>> problems it could be.
>
> And those.... would..... be........
>
> Funny, Stormin, when you post on ahr, you almost sound normal, but when you
> post here, you sound like the rest of these turf-protecting semi-litirit
> broke-assed assholes.
> Whazzup? Split personality? Or show-boating, fer yer asshole
> """""""colleagues""""""??
Gawd, but you must be lonely.
Hermann
> "Jim Conway" <gotna...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> Merry Christmas, Season's Greetings, Happy Holidays!
>> Anyway, I have a Bryant condensing furnace Model 340MAV on which the
>> blower motor makes a loud/brief hum/vibration noise on startup.
>> Startup Cap was easy/cheap enough to replace, but did not fix the
>> problem. Is my blower motor going bad or is there something else I
>> should look at first before bringing it in to an electric motor shp
>> for a checkup?
Holy shit! I bet you are the guy that told Hirohito to light the fuse on
Fatman.
Hermann
You are craving attention so badly that now you are posting to yourself.
I suggest you quit with the advice until you are ready to *PAY* for the
consequences of a real fuck up. You are making Stormy look like a pro in
comparison.
Don Ocean
I thought he was a Union Machinist that couldn't find a Job.
>
>
Existential Angst
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1. And YOU -- and your useless """"colleagues"""" contributed..... what?
2. Point out my errors.
3. Add what I left out
or
4. STFU and
5. Come to Yonkers and SMD.and
6. Swallow.
7. 6 hours after swallowing, do a fuknBrain Quiz, see if you got any
smarter. Then
8. Go for your GED.
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Jim Conway
<cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> You could take it to a motor shop, or you could call a HVAC
> company with experience in furnaces. I can think of a couple
> problems it could be.
>Sadly, I started right there by contacting an HVAC company from the yellow pages, and I've learned a couple of very costly lessons that reflect poorly on the HVAC trade by the actions of this one company -- *cough* Climate Design System of Methuen, MA *cough*. I should have known I was in trouble with the 'tech' called from my neighbor's driveway asking why I wasn't answering their door...but it just gets worse.
Their snake 'technician' *cough*THIEF*cough* came out to perform gas
maintenance on my system at a cost of $158, and perhaps even to have
me subscribe to their regular maintenance service plan. Cutting right
to the chase: They didn't clean the blower motor (p/o the service) and
likely didn't do much more. I didn't realize this until I opened the
compartment two days later to investigate the motor noise which they
had no answer for other than "we can clean your blower wheel for $80,
but that could make it worse, so we can then replace your blower motor
at a cost of $877 -- consequently I wrote off their service plan. It
also wasn't until a week later I realized they had STOLEN a brand new
electronic motorized damper I had foolishly left down there in view
($110 cost for that), so I'm out a total of $268. I guess their
thieving tech was so busy trying to figure how to get a damper fo that
size out of the house he forgot to do my service. Fricking thieves, eh
TONY?! Anyway, stopped payment on the CC for service not performed,
sent an email to the company president along with pictures of the
dirty component -- never heard back from him (why am I not
surprised?), followed up with a 2nd email after I discovered the
THEFT, and I will also be filing a police report tomorrow AM as I
don't expect to get the damper back within the 24 hours I allowed
them. Incidentally, got a 2nd quote from another local HVAC company
that was a more 'reasonable' $480 to replace the motor.
However, snakes aside, I had much greater success with a local
electric motor company (BAY STATE ELECTRIC, Methuen, MA). That guy's
done me good twice, and identified my motor as being bad, and gave me
a lead on where to find a new one (all at no charge). After a mere
$125 for a brand new motor and about two hours of my own time
(pulling, picking up, installing) my system is running smooth and
quiet.
Unfortunately, SNAKES like Climate Design System of Methuen, MA
reflect quite poorly on all you upstanding HVAC guys willing to offer
support on this board and who treat your customers well. More
unfortunate, it will be a cold day in hell, or my house before I
choose another HVAC without a recommendation from others who trust
them...
Jim Conway
wrote:
> "Mike Hunt" <Mike.H...@home.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>
>
> > "Existential Angst" <UNfit...@UNoptonline.net> wrote in message
> >news:4b2fbeae$0$5000$607e...@cv.net...
> >> "Jim Conway" <gotname...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Holy shit! What a hornet's nest this group is!!! Thanks any/all for
your suggestions., comments, assistance! My problem is solved. We now
return you to your regularly scheduled bitchfest...
Mike Hunt
We can't help it if you are a cheap fuck who is easy pickin's for a crooked
company that you might invite into your house.
Get a fuckin' clue and quit playing victim all the time.
Mike Hunt
You are welcome.
As for the bitchfest, that only starts when the group's whiny bitch boi
Exerting Angle drops in and starts spouting his EE ignorant BS.
Jim Conway
> "Jim Conway" <gotname...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Part of the snake team, eh champ?! There's a company in Methuen, MA
where you'd fit in quite well.
Mike Hunt
Yeah, and I can see that there is a part of your mouth where I'd fit in well
too.
.p.jm.@see_my_sig_for_address.com
wrote:
that is so gay .....
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Which you were unable to grok, correct, or add to.
Come get yer free brain food, you need it bad.
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>
>
Existential Angst
Just what support did these assholes on alt.hvac offer you?
Most of these circle-jerk nitwits here would make Climate Design look good.
More
> unfortunate, it will be a cold day in hell, or my house before I
> choose another HVAC without a recommendation from others who trust
> them...
>
> We can't help it if you are a cheap fuck who is easy pickin's for a
> crooked
> company that you might invite into your house.
>
> Get a fuckin' clue and quit playing victim all the time.
Part of the snake team, eh champ?! There's a company in Methuen, MA
where you'd fit in quite well.
============================================
Not possible -- Mike circle-jerk Hunt is way too comfortable at Yost &
Campbell, incompetents extreeordainaire in Westchester/Bronx, NY, the NY
equivalent to Climate Design in MA. At only $10/hr, he'll fuck up any hvac
system better than anyone, thru misadjustment or theft.
So what was wrong with the motor?
--
EA
Jim Conway
Ahh, actual conversation... A rarity on this group. Anyway, motor guy
thought it was the front bearing sleeve. Recommended replacing as he
doesn't rebuild the small ones.
Hence, he wouldn't be able to help Mikey, so Mrs. Hunt of Westchester
county will remain sexually unfulfilled...
Stormin Mormon
manners, here.
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"Jim Conway" <gotna...@yahoo.com>
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Stormin Mormon
motors. Yeah, most tech rip and replace. Sometimes I get
calls out on Saturday, and the parts houses are closed. The
last motor repair I did, no heat call for a church mouse. No
money, just a cold home. The draft inducer fan locked up,
and it's rough to be in NYS with no heat this time of year.
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"Jim Conway" <gotna...@yahoo.com>
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Stormin Mormon
with your approach, though. Talk to your friends and
neighbors, see who has given good sevice in the past.
Good luck on the police report. Hope that gets your damper
back, and maybe a refund for the lack of maintenance.
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Existential Angst
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> no clue and thought of a couple of things it could have been which he
> didn't articulate because he didn't have a clue ...as usual.
However, iirc, the OP didn't complain about a noisy motor, per se, just
noisy start up.
You'da thunk that the noise would have been chronic, no?
'course, 90% of the assholes here (Mike Hunt and his daisy-chaining cabal)
don't think -- they recite.
Thus, they are about as reliable as.... as.... well, as a stockbroker
picking/hawking stocks.
Dartboard, inyone?
--
EA
>
> Incidentally , and I'm not justifying the hosing the guy took but,
> sometimes cleaning a blower wheel that is real dirty and not moving
> much air will lead to a motor failure. Its advisable to forewarn the
> customer of that fact so they arent all pissed off when it happens.
>
> I can see stormy writing that tid bit down and now he will start
> cleaning blower wheels instead of cleaning condensers. The mormon
> crook is as bad if not worse than the two companies mentioned in this
> thread. Although he is polite... :/
Mike Hunt
Yeah, and it is rough to be in NYS when your lungs are full of CO because
some clueless mormon top-posting clown tried to "lube your motor" instead of
actually repairing the root problem.
Zaroc Stone
<cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Sorry to hear there are HVAC techs who are crooks. I agree
>with your approach, though. Talk to your friends and
>neighbors, see who has given good sevice in the past.
>
>Good luck on the police report. Hope that gets your damper
>back, and maybe a refund for the lack of maintenance.
>
Yes, do talk to neighbors until you hear something positive and that
could take awhile.......
We recently had a Christmas Party at our clubhouse in a development of
53 homes. One lady told us that her Heat Pump unit was defectived and
the service tech told her that these units "had a history of being
cheaply made". They charged her $5000 to change out a 4T unit. One of
the other residents told a story of replacing his fan motor (inside)
and was charged $800. He said he went online after the fan job and
found a motor for $140. More of what's wrong with HVAC today. My
daughter and her husband just paid $5400 for a furnace change out.
Dr. Stone
Zaroc Stone
<The...@homeonthethrone.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 06:19:49 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
><cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I've had some success dissembling, and relubing electric
>>motors. Yeah, most tech rip and replace. Sometimes I get
>>calls out on Saturday, and the parts houses are closed. The
>>last motor repair I did, no heat call for a church mouse. No
>>money, just a cold home. The draft inducer fan locked up,
>>and it's rough to be in NYS with no heat this time of year.
>
>Oiling a motor isn't going fix a worn bearing you stupid fucking top
>posting idiot.
Actually there is a lot to be said about Stormin Mormon's proceedure.
Some day you may have to do things like that when you work for
those places who don't have the necessary funding to "support you
in the manner you wish to be supported". You don't replace, you fix.
Take some WD-40 or some other lubricant and spray it generously
into the motor while running. This can often clean out the bearing
surface. Careful not to overdo this as oil can short the motor out.
When the WD-40 no longer runs out of the motor, add a few drops
of lubricating oil. Not a fix but might get you through a dark night
or long weekend or until the motor can be replaced.
Your four letter vocabulary isn't going to fix anything either. If he
posts on the bottom, would you call him a 'bottom feeder"?
Dr. Stone
.p.jm.@see_my_sig_for_address.com
wrote:
>On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 06:35:34 -0500, The King
><The...@homeonthethrone.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 06:19:49 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
>><cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I've had some success dissembling, and relubing electric
>>>motors. Yeah, most tech rip and replace. Sometimes I get
>>>calls out on Saturday, and the parts houses are closed. The
>>>last motor repair I did, no heat call for a church mouse. No
>>>money, just a cold home. The draft inducer fan locked up,
>>>and it's rough to be in NYS with no heat this time of year.
>>
>>Oiling a motor isn't going fix a worn bearing you stupid fucking top
>>posting idiot.
>
>Actually there is a lot to be said about Stormin Mormon's proceedure.
>Some day you may have to do things like that when you work for
>those places who don't have the necessary funding to "support you
>in the manner you wish to be supported". You don't replace, you fix.
>
>Take some WD-40 or some other lubricant
WD-40 is a solvent, not a lubricant.
>and spray it generously
>into the motor while running.
yah, good plan.
> This can often clean out the bearing
Umm- asshole - exactly ZERO of your WD-40 will enter the
SEALED bearings.
>surface. Careful not to overdo this as oil can short the motor out.
yah. Right. Whatever you say. You just oiled the rotor -
good idea.
>When the WD-40 no longer runs out of the motor, add a few drops
>of lubricating oil. Not a fix but might get you through a dark night
>or long weekend or until the motor can be replaced.
>
>Your four letter vocabulary isn't going to fix anything either. If he
>posts on the bottom, would you call him a 'bottom feeder"?
>
>Dr. Stone
Tony Hwang
> to make a living doing nothing but running his mouth with semantics or
> whatever crap he eats during the day. You need to get a life, Paul.
> Dr. Stone.
Hmmm,
Stormy is at least a human grade, not belong to garbge pile.
Some really has negative IQ, I wonder?
Steve
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Chances are that the developement had all of the comfort systems installed
by the lowest bidder. $800 is not out of line for an X13 motor, and $1,200
is about right for an ECM motor replacement. $5,000 is about right for a 4T
heat pump replacement, and a couple of grand shy of a complete system
replacement(not including any additional ductwork). The homeowner got what
the builder didn't pay for. Furnace change-out can run anywhere from $1,500
to $6,000 depending on the model, and the installer. You can get it cheap,
or you can get it done right the first time. Its your choice.
Tony Hwang
In real life some times temp. fix is a necessity until such time proper
repair is possible. Never had a situation like that in your life on the
road or around the house?
Don Ocean
> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 06:35:34 -0500, The King
> <The...@homeonthethrone.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 06:19:49 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
>> <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I've had some success dissembling, and relubing electric
>>> motors. Yeah, most tech rip and replace. Sometimes I get
>>> calls out on Saturday, and the parts houses are closed. The
>>> last motor repair I did, no heat call for a church mouse. No
>>> money, just a cold home. The draft inducer fan locked up,
>>> and it's rough to be in NYS with no heat this time of year.
>> Oiling a motor isn't going fix a worn bearing you stupid fucking top
>> posting idiot.
>
> Actually there is a lot to be said about Stormin Mormon's proceedure.
> Some day you may have to do things like that when you work for
> those places who don't have the necessary funding to "support you
> in the manner you wish to be supported". You don't replace, you fix.
>
Modern motors cannot be oiled! Most are not designed for that and have
planned obsolescence. The entire furnace and central air have a
lifespan of only 12 to 15 years as predicted by the manufacturers
> Take some WD-40 or some other lubricant and spray it generously
> into the motor while running.
This is very flammable and someone could get hurt.
This can often clean out the bearing
> surface. Careful not to overdo this as oil can short the motor out.
> When the WD-40 no longer runs out of the motor, add a few drops
> of lubricating oil. Not a fix but might get you through a dark night
> or long weekend or until the motor can be replaced.
This is not a news group promoting suicide. Get thee the Hell away from
this group. *NOW!
>
> Your four letter vocabulary isn't going to fix anything either. If he
> posts on the bottom, would you call him a 'bottom feeder"?
>
> Dr. Stone
Doctored and Stoned is the correct label.
An abuse notice has been sent predicated on the advice that would
obviously create a fire or worse.
Don Ocean
> to make a living doing nothing but running his mouth with semantics or
> whatever crap he eats during the day. You need to get a life, Paul.
> Dr. Stone.
You are about to lose your account Doctored and Stoned!
Hermann
I doubt that you are man enough to have a daughter. You should ask your
wife who really is the sire. I am amazed that with your system of logic
that you didn't kill her while she was still at home with some kind of
stupid dangerous repair.
>
> Dr. Stone
Real Pisser
> On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 12:44:46 -0500, Zaroc Stone <zst...@usa.com>
> wrote:
>
online after the fan job and
>>found a motor for $140. More of what's wrong with HVAC today. My
>>daughter and her husband just paid $5400 for a furnace change out.
>>
>>Dr. Stone
>
> maybe after this Ill charger triple.
How'd you know he is a proctologist? ;)
Existential Angst
>
>>On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 06:35:34 -0500, The King
>><The...@homeonthethrone.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 06:19:49 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
>>><cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I've had some success dissembling, and relubing electric
>>>>motors. Yeah, most tech rip and replace. Sometimes I get
>>>>calls out on Saturday, and the parts houses are closed. The
>>>>last motor repair I did, no heat call for a church mouse. No
>>>>money, just a cold home. The draft inducer fan locked up,
>>>>and it's rough to be in NYS with no heat this time of year.
>>>
>>>Oiling a motor isn't going fix a worn bearing you stupid fucking top
>>>posting idiot.
>>
>>Actually there is a lot to be said about Stormin Mormon's proceedure.
>>Some day you may have to do things like that when you work for
>>those places who don't have the necessary funding to "support you
>>in the manner you wish to be supported". You don't replace, you fix.
>
> over. It turned over just fine except it was noisy due to bad
> bearings. No amount of oil is going to fix that. Stormy is a idiot
> who preys off dumb asses. Are you a dumb ass?
Well, it's tough to think straight, what with having to service half a dozen
or so wives, made evermore stressful with no contraception.....
Mebbe Stormin should be providing the brain food for all the assholes in
this effingly useless ng (ah, not ahr).....
Even if oil *were* called for (say, oil cups for the bronze bearings on
older motors), WD-40 (suggested by Dr. Stoned) is near-useless.
In fact, WD-40 is a near-useless product altogether, qualifying as a
"lubricant" for mebbe hinges.
It's only redeeming value for general use, iiuc, is that it has some solids
in suspension, which can act as a dry lubricant once the crap has
volatilized off -- think LockEase. Altho, I haven't really been able to
detect any of that dry lubricant.
The REAL utility of WD-40 is as..... no, not for beating one's meat, as per
the likes of Mike Hunt and his ripoff ilk, during their interminable dry
spells..... but as a tapping fluid for aluminum.
Except for a few "exotics", like perhaps MolyD et al, WD-40 is regarded by a
fair fraction of machinists as one of the best aluminum tapping fluids --
and proly ok for steel.
This is due to the fact that WD is kerosene-based, and kerosene itself is
quite good for tapping alum. But WD has much less of the kerosene odor, an
additional plus.
Plus, WD is nearly ubiquitous in the marketplace, a fixture in all bigbox
stores, which in my mind is what is really spectacular about WD-40, and is
what makes Merka so great:
WD-40, once again, demonstrates how a product *utterly inferior to
virtually all others in its class, ie to virtually all other lubricants,
penetrants, and rust inhibitors* -- Kroil and PB Blaster just to name two
markedly superior products -- utterly *dominates* the marketplace.
Really fukn amazing.
There seems to be a true mathematical relation, butt another Law of the
Proctologically Violated�� :
That a product's advertising budget is inversely proportional to its
quality/utility/validity.
Virtually across the board.
Also, with very few exceptions, if a product is infomercialed, it is almost
always shit -- by definition. One exception, pointed out recently in ahr,
was that super-ladder ditty, with some nifty locking mechanism. $400, iirc.
Of course, the fact remains that even here, two $40 step ladders, with a
cupla 2x6s, and a 12-16' extension ladder (all for under $200), have much
more versatility and utility, with less mechanical drama, AND the ability to
service more users at once.
Ergo, MUCH more bang fer one's buck than this super-ladder ditty. Heh, see
the below Bang fer yer Buck law.
Another law of the PV'd:
If Billy Mays, or any Bri'ish bloke, or Tony Little is doing
the hawking, the product is *guarownteed* to be shit.
This law is absolute, with no exceptions whatsoever.
Another absolute PV law, the Law of Bang fer yer Buck :
An infomercialed or heavily advertised product, even if not shit, has a bang
fer yer buck at least an order of magnitude less than its legitimate
competition. Which means it has less quality/utility, or a greater price,
or both.
--
EA, always PV'd, but not by Billy fuknMays -- esp. since, well, now he's
DEAD.
But, ackshooly, you can STILL get PV'd by Billy, since a bunch of his
pre-demise tapings are being aired as we speak -- like the Dual Saw, for
wives lookin to buy sumpn for hubby.
Mike Hunt
"Tony Hwang" <drag...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:s3vZm.5559$8e4....@newsfe03.iad...
No, we don't nigger-rig stuff here. We fix it right or we walk away.
You are a FOOL!
Mike Hunt
What corners did the fly-by-night contractor cut for only charging your
daughter $5400 for a furnace change-out?
Maybe she traded some ass to help lower the price?
Existential Angst
news:PIadnbVVsKVKVarW...@mchsi.com...
You mean, walk away with your customer's wallet, right?
Man, alt.hvac is already the bottom of the ng-barrel.
You just scratched your way through the effing floorboards.
Yer mom must be proud!
If she's sober today, you could print out a copy, bring it over, and let
her read it.... well, read it to her....
--
EA
>
> You are a FOOL!
>
>
Steve
very rarely.... My truck is very well stocked with spare parts inventory. I
only have a couple of times a year whe I don't have the correct part on the
truck.
Tony Hwang
Do you carry spare axle shaft steady bearing? Once I had that bearing
failure. I had to crawl 40 miles to a garage who could replace it.
Existential Angst
news:hh8jed$1kn$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
Which, if you don't really know how to *fix* anything, is a good thing.
You jut swap out fukn parts until the problem goes a way, and hand the
vic -- I mean, the customer -- a $2,000 bill for a $20 repair.
Not a bad gig....
--
EA
>
>
Mike Hunt
Why didn't you fix it when it first started to get noisy, instead of driving
it for a few more years?
Cheap fuck.
Mike Hunt
"Existential Angst" <UNfi...@UNoptonline.net> wrote in message
news:4b37d4e1$0$22507$607e...@cv.net...
Did you pay a tech $150 to replace a clogged air filter or something? Man,
you may be dumb, but you sure are bitter.
Existential Angst
I"m only bitter because your mom S'dMD, but didn't give me her ass.
Now everyone is laughin at me....
--
EA
>
>
Tony Hwang
I wish it did. It was a sudden failure. The truck was only used for
towing fiver in season. You have dirty mouth for sure. Hope you
don't have little kids in your house.
Tony Hwang
He should change his name. Hunt to Cunt so fitting.
Michael B
On Dec 27, 3:27 pm, "Existential Angst" <UNfit...@UNoptonline.net>
wrote:
Stormin Mormon
I stock very few motors. My parts house keeps them for me.
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
"Tony Hwang" <drag...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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Stormin Mormon
has the advantage of spraying in a stream. So, if you're
under the work van and want to spray the entire brake cable,
it's easy enough to do with the long reach stream. WD-40
comes out in a fog.
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
"Michael B" <baug...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Nate Nagel
> PB Blaster is under advertised, and aparently good stuff. It
> has the advantage of spraying in a stream. So, if you're
> under the work van and want to spray the entire brake cable,
> it's easy enough to do with the long reach stream. WD-40
> comes out in a fog.
>
yeah, PB is good stuff. IMHO it's inferior to Kroil, but on the upside,
they do have it at that Orange Colored Store (although you have to look
pretty hard for it, as opposed to WD-40) and it's really not all that
bad - way better than WD-40 anyway.
Hands down the best penetrating oil I've ever used was Wuerth Rost Off,
but I dunno where you can buy it.
nate
--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
http://members.cox.net/njnagel
DerbyDad03
<cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> PB Blaster is under advertised, and aparently good stuff. It
> has the advantage of spraying in a stream. So, if you're
> under the work van and want to spray the entire brake cable,
> it's easy enough to do with the long reach stream. WD-40
> comes out in a fog.
>
> --
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
> .
>
>
> news:4d717190-a9e0-44f3...@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...
> Thompson's Water Seal comes immediately to mind.
>
> On Dec 27, 3:27 pm, "Existential Angst"
> <UNfit...@UNoptonline.net>
> wrote:
>
> > That a product's advertising budget is inversely
> > proportional to its
> > quality/utility/validity.
> > Virtually across the board.
re: "WD-40 comes out in a fog."
Not with new "Smart Straw"...
http://www.wd40.com/products/smart-straw/
Of course, I still buy the half-gallon cans and refill these, which
can be adjusted for the type of spray you want...
http://www.team.ie/images/WDAPP.jpg
And I drive *both* of these...
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/11/wd40camaro---3.jpg
Hermann
They are laughing at you for the video of you doing that Chicken.
Hermann
Tony...Read his name real fast a couple of times.
Alexander
Mostly because the chicken was a rooster and better hung then Angst.
Mike Hunt
BULLSHIT. Axle bearing does not fail suddenly. It gives many thousands of
miles of notice.
If I had little kids in my house, Essential Ankle and Mormun would probably
want to finger their little assholes and suckle their scrotums.
Mike Hunt
Get you some JigALoo and have a gay old time...
http://www.jigaloo.com/us/e_msg_brd_article.php?cat=1&id=687
cl...@snyder.on.ca
wrote:
>Stormin Mormon wrote:
>> PB Blaster is under advertised, and aparently good stuff. It
>> has the advantage of spraying in a stream. So, if you're
>> under the work van and want to spray the entire brake cable,
>> it's easy enough to do with the long reach stream. WD-40
>> comes out in a fog.
>>
>
>yeah, PB is good stuff. IMHO it's inferior to Kroil, but on the upside,
>they do have it at that Orange Colored Store (although you have to look
>pretty hard for it, as opposed to WD-40) and it's really not all that
>bad - way better than WD-40 anyway.
>
>Hands down the best penetrating oil I've ever used was Wuerth Rost Off,
>but I dunno where you can buy it.
>
>nate
From any Wuerth industrial distributor - and it IS pretty good stuff.
cl...@snyder.on.ca
The original formulation was great - it actually worked. The new
formulation (last 10 years or so??) is more useless than bear whiz.
Steve
"Alexander" <Alex...@thegreat.org> wrote in message
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Now.... don't be dissin roosters like that.
Zaroc Stone
>
> "Zaroc Stone" <zst...@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:6hicj55164sgpd2vl...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 06:21:59 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
>> <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Sorry to hear there are HVAC techs who are crooks. I agree
>>>with your approach, though. Talk to your friends and
>>>neighbors, see who has given good sevice in the past.
>>>
>>>Good luck on the police report. Hope that gets your damper
>>>back, and maybe a refund for the lack of maintenance.
>>>
>> Yes, do talk to neighbors until you hear something positive and that
>> could take awhile.......
>>
>> We recently had a Christmas Party at our clubhouse in a development of
>> 53 homes. One lady told us that her Heat Pump unit was defectived and
>> the service tech told her that these units "had a history of being
>> cheaply made". They charged her $5000 to change out a 4T unit. One of
>> the other residents told a story of replacing his fan motor (inside)
>> and was charged $800. He said he went online after the fan job and
>> found a motor for $140. More of what's wrong with HVAC today. My
>> daughter and her husband just paid $5400 for a furnace change out.
>>
>> Dr. Stone
>
> by the lowest bidder. $800 is not out of line for an X13 motor, and $1,200
> is about right for an ECM motor replacement. $5,000 is about right for a
> 4T heat pump replacement, and a couple of grand shy of a complete system
> replacement(not including any additional ductwork). The homeowner got what
> the builder didn't pay for. Furnace change-out can run anywhere from
> $1,500 to $6,000 depending on the model, and the installer. You can get it
> cheap, or you can get it done right the first time. Its your choice.
The homeowner mentioned that he found the exact same motor online for $140.
The mechanic charged him $660 to install it. He was ripped off regardless
of how
many letters and numerals you try to insert to justify a screwing, what some
techs
do best. I'll have to call in the model number of the unit replaced for
$5000. In
some areas and with some customers, $20,000 would not be outrageous. In
this
case, I believe it is. The lady is over 80 years old, lives in an adult
retirement
community, is on Oxygen 24/7 and a look around her house it is easy to see
she
doesn't have much money. But then, neither did the so called tech. As I
said, I'd
have to look the cost of a 4T unit before going any further but I suspect
that $5000
is out of line. If you are reasonable, you'll never be out of work and
always make
a decent income. You don't have to screw everyone that you meet.
Need to argue some more? Sure does the craft a wonder of good doesn't it?
Zaroc Stone
They concentrate on one thing, "send money"! Right now inventories are
down
and will continue to be. You'll find many things at the supply house but
not all
of them. It is acceptable to provide a temporary repair if at all possible
to keep
the heat on while the motor ordered is delivered. Lubricants and solvents
have
been used to clean bearings in motors, on shafts. Sometimes it works,
sometimes
it doesn't. If it doesn't work, what is the loss? You'll have to replace.
This is an
issue these days, the craft has lost it's ability to repair. They replace.
Parts
changers are expensive people to deal with. I didn't mention that the 4T
unit
that was replaced was originally installed in 2006. That unit should have
been
repaired if the guy wanted to fix it. He wanted to replace it, so he did.
Zaroc Stone
"Real Pisser" <farti...@thearena.it> wrote in message
news:4b375aae$0$5012$607e...@cv.net...
>
> "The King" <The...@homeonthethrone.com> wrote in message
> news:quodj5l3et0elu5n0...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 12:44:46 -0500, Zaroc Stone <zst...@usa.com>
>> wrote:
>>
> online after the fan job and
>>>found a motor for $140. More of what's wrong with HVAC today. My
>>>daughter and her husband just paid $5400 for a furnace change out.
>>>
>>>Dr. Stone
>>
>> BTW just so you know, I charge you rip off hack ass doctors double,
>> maybe after this Ill charger triple.
>
> How'd you know he is a proctologist? ;)
Anyone who boasts charging triple probably has all the time in the world
to spend on usenet.
Existential Angst
'tis a pity that a noble craft is essentially degraded by its own
practitioners -- or, in this case, poseurs.
Threads on ahr, rcm are a world of difference, where you see people
knowledgeable in a field are obviously proud of that field, and enjoy
sharing their knowledge about it.
The assholes here have so little grasp of any fundamentals they can't even
discuss shit amongst themselves.
I guess that's what happens when you are eking out an effing living, off
adversarial home-moaners, and forced to be hyper-sensitive about
"professional turf" -- ripping off whomever you can. goodgawd....
Too bad that this professional turf bullshit winds up degrading the
profession itself.
This shithole ng is basically a forum for juvenile dick-waving and assaholic
repartee.
Altho Mike Hunt is the dregs, even for this shithole ng. They should spray
his trailer a brite red, so the kids know to steer clear -- see his recent
post in this thread on children.... goodgawd....
--
EA
Zaroc Stone
From: "Hermann" <Her...@sheise.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 10:09 PM
Newsgroups: alt.hvac
Subject: Re: Bryant Blower Motor Loud Startup
> Zaroc Stone wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 06:21:59 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
>> <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry to hear there are HVAC techs who are crooks. I agree
>>> with your approach, though. Talk to your friends and
>>> neighbors, see who has given good sevice in the past.
>>>
>>> Good luck on the police report. Hope that gets your damper
>>> back, and maybe a refund for the lack of maintenance.
>>>
>> Yes, do talk to neighbors until you hear something positive and that
>> could take awhile.......
>>
>> We recently had a Christmas Party at our clubhouse in a development of
>> 53 homes. One lady told us that her Heat Pump unit was defectived and
>> the service tech told her that these units "had a history of being
>> cheaply made". They charged her $5000 to change out a 4T unit. One of
>> the other residents told a story of replacing his fan motor (inside)
>> and was charged $800. He said he went online after the fan job and
>> found a motor for $140. More of what's wrong with HVAC today. My
>> daughter and her husband just paid $5400 for a furnace change out.
>
>
> I doubt that you are man enough to have a daughter. You should ask your
> wife who really is the sire. I am amazed that with your system of logic
> that you didn't kill her while she was still at home with some kind of
> stupid dangerous repair.
>
A mindset such as yours is what has denigrated the business. Is that what
happened to you? Did some other tech get your wife? Maybe you asked him
to.
Mike Hunt
"Existential Angst" <UNfi...@UNoptonline.net> wrote in message
Q: You know the best part about being a pedophile?
A: Their little hands make you look so big.
Mike Hunt
Hey Zarok:
Post some pics of your daughter. Does she have big tits?
Real Pisser
"Zaroc Stone" <zst...@usa.com> wrote in message
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Why do you even bother to argue with this bunch. You are just one of
hundreds of innocent drive by's who have entered this entertainment center.
When you are done, another one will post a question here and be the next
"roastee". They can't help themselves. It's like one said: this is there
place to shoot the breeze and not help home owners with free advice, just to
alienate them. guess I'm up next. yee hah!
Steve
Too bad he most likely has an R-22 system.... I hope he has lots of $$$
because when it developes leaks down the road, his only choice is going to
be to replace the entire system because of non-availibility of R-22 due to
HCFC pase-out. I would venture to say that the 75% reduction in production
and importing of R-22 on January 1st will cause the price to at least triple
if not quadruple in the next 6 months....but its his money.
If he had bought a decent quality system instead of a cheap one, he would
have had a unit replacement warranty with it. Even the cheap ones have a 5
year parts warranty.
Tony Hwang
That's good. LOL! One point for you.
Tony Hwang
We're living in a throw away society.
Steve
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:44:27 -0600, "Steve" <jste...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>>Too bad he most likely has an R-22 system.... I hope he has lots of $$$
>>because when it developes leaks down the road, his only choice is going to
>>be to replace the entire system because of non-availibility of R-22 due to
>>HCFC pase-out.
>
> being deliberately deceptive or woefully uninformed. Which is it?
None of the above... your living in another world if you don't think the
prices of replacements are gonna skyrocket also. Besides.... whats the point
of even selling anything that take R-22... the manufacturers have been
mandated to stop making anything that takes it. Are you gonna go throw in a
bunch of R-22 stuff so 5 years down the road you can sell them new stuff
again?? That would be a gross dis-service to your customers. Oh, thats
right, you only do resi on the side.
Steve
> of vacation are you on? Waiting for the phone lines to be turned back
> on isn't a vacation.
No problem with the phones or anything else for that matter... and had a
great Christmas with my family.
I will be back home on the 1st.
Hermann
Why would I have a wife, when your Mother, wife and daughter are so
available? You, obviously are not man enough to keep up your homework.
Hermann
Not as big as Zaroks.
>
>
Mike Hunt
> that would be an unfair comparison; you'd have to begin with
> something more substantial whan that you have. How long have you
> been a pedophile? Born that way or were you 'made'?
Q: You know what the best thing about being a pedophile is?
Real Pisser
Ah, these conversations remind me of being in Jr. High School (now called
middle school). That's OK, this is a time of the year to reflect on our
fondest memories and appreciate what we have.
yeah, I did graduate in 1957.
Your momma wears combat boots.
Existential Angst
news:4d717190-a9e0-44f3...@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...
Thompson's Water Seal comes immediately to mind.
What's a better sealer? Masonry? Wood?
--
EA