The Long And The Short Of It
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Saturday January 27, 2006
POLITICAL ESSAYS
The Long And The Short Of It
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LONG
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AP reports "The U.N. General Assembly adopted a
resolution Friday condemning the denial of the Holo-
caust, with only Iran rejecting it [= the resolution]
as an attempt by the United States and Israel to ex-
ploit the atrocity for their political interests."
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SHORT
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AP reports that, though New York State's "seventh-
grade curriculum calls for the anatomy lessons," a
"teacher has been barred from classes for having his
seventh-grade students draw male genitalia on the
blackboard during health class...."
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A spokesperson for Yonkers schools, Fierstein, states
"There was no way we were going to let him be in
front of children."
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But a parent, Klibonoff, points out "This is biology,
it's anatomy, it's human sexuality."
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070127/ap_on_re_mi_ea/
un_holocaust_denial&printer=1
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070127/ap_on_re_us/
anatomy_lesson_3&printer=1
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B'inyamin Cramer
teach religious education, however they're permitted to preach about the
holocaust. In some States and schools, it's mandatory to do so.
<jaspar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Onoit
"B'inyamin Cramer" <cohenisaq...@nienteayidhere.cam> wrote in message
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> It's more than a little strange that US schools are no longer permitted to
> teach religious education, however they're permitted to preach about the
> holocaust.
The holocaust is religious education.
Neil Harrington
"Onoit" <On...@sno.tso> wrote in message
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<guffaw!>
You've got that right.
a-little-sanity
Neil Harrington <sec...@illumnati.net> wrote:
>> The holocaust is religious education.
> <guffaw!>
>
> You've got that right.
Not that you, or anyone else who belongs to your neo-Nazi
cult, was able to even remotely demonstrate. But the really
odd thing is that, on a *different* newsgroup, you happily
agreed that Hitler was a "murderer of millions".
This reminds of one of the other "revisionist" loons, "Ben Cramer".
He usually denies the Holocaust, but he also wrote that deporting
the Jews to the camps meant "certain death" to them.
Isn't that pretty silly, Neil? Unless I'm mistake, both you
and "Cramer" are hardly young anymore (he's about 60, you're
about 80, correct)? Is this the combined wisdom you've been
able to accumulate in 140 years? Pathetic, Neil, absolutely
pathetic.
Neil Harrington
<a-little-sanity>; "please" <rati...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> In article <t_KdnSwRRPJIPSjU...@giganews.com>,
> Neil Harrington <sec...@illumnati.net> wrote:
>
>>> The holocaust is religious education.
>
>> <guffaw!>
>>
>> You've got that right.
>
> Not that you, or anyone else who belongs to your neo-Nazi
> cult,
Do twerps like you really believe that calling anyone who disputes parts of
the Holocaust mythology a "neo-Nazi" is some sort of effective attack? Does
it really not occur to you that all it proves is that you people are too
dimwitted to create a persuasive argument?
> was able to even remotely demonstrate. But the really
> odd thing is that, on a *different* newsgroup, you happily
> agreed that Hitler was a "murderer of millions".
I have no idea what you're referring to. But if someone in a newsgroup not
concerned with the so-called Holocaust made some sort of remark about Hitler
and murdering millions I might have accepted it in passing, provided the
Holocaust was not the subject under discussion. Since you say this was "a
*different* newsgroup" I presume it had nothing to do with the Holocaust,
since I don't recall ever discussing the Holocaust in any other NG.
In some sense Hitler -- along with Stalin, Roosevelt, Churchill et al. --
may indeed have been "murderers of millions," i.e. the tens of millions who
were slaughtered in WW II. It is probably reasonable to apply that term to
any of the parties who initiated that war, in that limited sense.
>
> This reminds of one of the other "revisionist" loons, "Ben Cramer".
> He usually denies the Holocaust, but he also wrote that deporting
> the Jews to the camps meant "certain death" to them.
A problem with you Holocaustniks is that you call anyone a "Holocaust
denier" who disputes any part of the mythology. I have never seen Ben say he
"denies the Holocaust." That *you* claim he does is meaningless, since you
throw these terms around irresponsibly, as your post here demonstrates. Do
you really not even begin to comprehend that you're arguing against yourself
here? You claim Ben is a "Holocaust denier" while simultaneously claiming
that he isn't.
What you need to do is stop relying on childish terms like "neo-Nazi" and
"Holocaust denier" as ad hominem arguments. I realize that you've just
picked these terms up from other Holocaust promoters of equally limited
intelligence, but they are not the caliber of people you should be straining
to imitate.
Docky Wocky
"Do twerps like you really believe that calling anyone who disputes parts of
the Holocaust mythology a "neo-Nazi" is some sort of effective attack?..."
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Nah! Us twerps just have to decide between labeling you as just another
neo-Nazi, or just another idiot - and the choice, so far, seems to be just
another idiot.
B.H. Cramer
"Onoit" <On...@sno.tso> wrote in message
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>
It is indeed. Teaching the myth should not be permitted in state financed
teaching institutions.
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>
>
B.H. Cramer
"Docky Wocky" <mrc...@ist.net> wrote in message
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You're in no position to judge others, clown. You're up there with the cohen
clown.
>
>
>
a-little-sanity
Neil Harrington <n...@home.today> wrote:
> <a-little-sanity>; "please" <rati...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:gp48a6$m6u$1...@pcls6.std.com...
>> Not that you, or anyone else who belongs to your neo-Nazi
>> cult,
> Do twerps like you really believe that calling anyone who disputes
> parts of the Holocaust mythology a "neo-Nazi" is some sort of
> effective attack?
It's not a question of effectiveness. If someone intentionally lies
in order to make the Nazis look good, he's a neo-Nazi. It's simply
a fact. If someone keeps lying, even after being presented with the
evidence, that further proves he's a neo-Nazi.
That is what you've chosen to do -- reject all the evidence presented
here and elsewhere. You do not even try to debate; you simply
shut you eyes and ears, and shout "no, no, no". Then you
killfile everyone who proves you wrong.
A good recent example was your "handling" of the Taubner verdict,
in which the Supreme SS and Police Court stated "the Jews have to
be exterminated", and "the extermination of the Jews was the duty
of Kommandos which were set up especially for this purpose". You
rejected it because 1) the authors were not inmates in a Nazi
camp, and 2) because not many people read their book. These two
arguments are so spectacularly preposterous that it is simply
impossible for someone who's interested in the truth to have
offered them. This is just one example, of course.
To further demonstrate what a world of lies you have created, one
notes that you have no problem in accepting the fantastic rubbish
of "Eisenhower's death camps for German POWs". Here's a totally
discredited pile of crap, with no supporting evidence, yet you
choose to believe it -- out of purely ideological reasons: since
it makes the Nazis look good, and those who fought them to appear
bad. No corpses, no evidence, no documents -- nothing, yet you
choose to believe it. All these, and more, do exist as evidence
to prove the Holocaust -- yet you choose to deny it. This cannot,
it simply cannot be the result of an objective thought process.
>> was able to even remotely demonstrate. But the really
>> odd thing is that, on a *different* newsgroup, you happily
>> agreed that Hitler was a "murderer of millions".
> I have no idea what you're referring to.
And you keep lying.
>> This reminds of one of the other "revisionist" loons, "Ben Cramer".
>> He usually denies the Holocaust, but he also wrote that deporting
>> the Jews to the camps meant "certain death" to them.
> A problem with you Holocaustniks is that you call anyone a "Holocaust
> denier" who disputes any part of the mythology. I have never seen Ben
> say he "denies the Holocaust."
And you keep lying still. You're a lost case, Neil.
And, again, you ignore reality. "Cramer" wrote about a group
of 100,000 Jews who were deported to Sobibor and Auschwitz that
they were being sent to "certain death". Of course, he wrote
it only for the purpose of making some other Jew appear bad. It's
the amusing thing with you people: those little "slips" you make
here and there. After all, you *know* you're lying.
RJ11
B.H. Cramer <ben_a...@beltingyids.com> wrote:
(snip "Holocaust revisionism" drivel)
Deal with the facts, doper.
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//bergen-belsen/images/belsen01.jpg
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//bergen-belsen/images/belsen02.jpg
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//ohrdruf/images/ohrdruf-02.jpg
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//nordhausen/images/nordhausen-01.jpg
http://isurvived.org/Pictures_iSurvived-4/dachau-corpses.GIF
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//buchenwald/images/buchenwald01.jpg
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1673471.stm
Mass graves found at Nazi camp
Researchers have discovered seven mass graves at the Sobibor Nazi
death camp in north-eastern Poland.
The research team, which began its government-sponsored investigation
in the summer, said the graves -- the largest of which is about half
the size of a football pitch -- contain charred remains.
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RJ.
Docky Wocky
Only anti-semitic semites like you have permission to judge others?
Please post your certificate, asshole!
Neil Harrington
Thank you for agreeing that you have no rational argument, only name
calling.
Docky Wocky
"Thank you for agreeing that you have no rational argument, only name
calling..."
______________________
You are welcome, I am sure.
However, not being the initiator of the "name calling" you allude to, I have
yet to see any rational argument from your end other than the mindless
repetition of your holocaust denial bull shit as invented and promulgated by
some of your brighter neo-nazis.
Neil Harrington
"Docky Wocky" <mrc...@lst.net> wrote in message
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> neil sez:
>
> "Thank you for agreeing that you have no rational argument, only name
> calling..."
> ______________________
> You are welcome, I am sure.
>
> However, not being the initiator of the "name calling" you allude to, I
> have yet to see any rational argument from your end other than the
> mindless
I think you've seen it all right, you just don't get it.
> repetition of your holocaust denial bull shit as invented and promulgated
> by some of your brighter neo-nazis.
More childish name calling. I'm mildly curious to know who you think is
impressed by that. Only mildly curious, and only because the pavlovization
of humans is sort of an interesting subject.