HELP!!! FORM WON'T WORK WITH NETSCAPE
LES RICHARDSON
error message.
I get the following error message when I submit the form even though all
fields are filled in correctly.
Error: No Recipient
No Recipient was specified in the data sent to FormMail.
Please make sure you have filled in the 'recipient' form field with an
e-mail address. More information on filling in recipient form fields can
be found in the README file.
If you would like to see the Form http://brizze.com/dexion/dexionform.htm
THIS IS THE COMPLETE CODE
<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml"
xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"
xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word"
xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
<head>
<meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<meta name=ProgId content=FrontPage.Editor.Document>
<meta name=Generator content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0">
<meta name=Originator content="Microsoft Word 9">
<link rel=File-List
href="../brizze.com/My%20Webs/laform_files/filelist.xml">
<link rel=Edit-Time-Data
href="../brizze.com/My%20Webs/laform_files/editdata.mso">
<style>
</style>
</head>
<body bgcolor=aqua lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple
style='tab-interval:.5in'>
<div class=Section1>
<p align=left><b><span style='font-size:18.0pt'><img border="0"
src="dexionlogo.jpg" width="273" height="67">
<font color="#FF0000">BROCHURE ORDER FORM</font><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'>
<hr size=2 width="100%" align=center>
</div>
<form action="http://brizze.com/cgi-bin/formmail.cgi" method=post
enctype="application/x-www-form-urlencoded">
<span
style='display:none;mso-hide:all'><INPUT TYPE="hidden"
NAME="return_link_url" VALUE="http://brizze.com"><INPUT TYPE="hidden"
NAME="subject" VALUE="DEXION FORM"><INPUT TYPE="hidden" NAME="recipient"
VALUE="dex...@brizze.com"></span>
<p>(WE WILL NOT RE-SELL YOUR PERSONAL OR CONTACT INFORMATION) </p>
<p><font color="#FF0000"><b><i><u>Personal/Company
Information</u></i></b></font> </p>
<table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='mso-cellspacing:0in'>
<tr>
<td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
<p align=right style='text-align:right'><em>First Name</em></p>
</td>
<td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
<p><INPUT TYPE="text" NAME="FIRST NAME" size="25"></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
<p align=right
style='text-align:right'><i>
Last name</i></p>
</td>
<td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
<p><INPUT TYPE="text" NAME="LAST NAME" size="25"></p>
</td>
</tr>
</table>
<table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='mso-cellspacing:0in'>
<tr>
<td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
<p align=right style='text-align:right'><em>Company Name</em></p>
</td>
<td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
<p><INPUT TYPE="text" NAME="COMPANY NAME" size="25"></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
<p align=right style='text-align:right'><i>Phone Number</i></p>
</td>
<td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
<p><INPUT TYPE="text" NAME="PHONE NUMBER" size="25"></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
<p align=right
style='text-align:right'><i> Fax
Number</i></p>
</td>
<td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
<p><INPUT TYPE="text" NAME="FAX NUMBER" size="25"></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
<p align="right">E-Mail
</td>
<td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
<input type="text" name="EMAIL" size="25">
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
<p align=right style='text-align:right'><em>Postal Address</em></p>
</td>
<td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
<p><INPUT TYPE="text" NAME="POSTAL ADDRESS" size="25"></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
<p align=right style='text-align:right'><i>Postal Address</i></p>
</td>
<td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
<p><INPUT TYPE="text" NAME="POSTAL ADDRESS 2" size="24"></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
<p align=right style='text-align:right'><em>Post Code</em></p>
</td>
<td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
<p><INPUT TYPE="text" NAME="POST CODE" size="6"></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
<p align=right style='text-align:right'><i>State</i></p>
</td>
<td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
<p><INPUT TYPE="text" NAME="State" size="25"></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
<p align=right style='text-align:right'><i>Country</i></p>
</td>
<td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
<p class=MsoNormal><SELECT NAME="country">
<OPTION VALUE="Afghanistan">Afghanistan
<OPTION VALUE="Albania">Albania
<OPTION VALUE="Algeria">Algeria
<OPTION VALUE="American Samoa">American Samoa
<OPTION VALUE="Angola">Angola
<OPTION VALUE="Anguilla">Anguilla
<OPTION VALUE="Antartica">Antartica
<OPTION VALUE="Antigua">Antigua
<OPTION VALUE="Argentina">Argentina
<OPTION VALUE="Armenia">Armenia
<OPTION VALUE="Aruba">Aruba
<OPTION VALUE="Ascension Island">Ascension Island
<OPTION SELECTED VALUE="Australia">Australia
<OPTION VALUE="Austria">Austria
<OPTION VALUE="Bahamas">Bahamas
<OPTION VALUE="Bahrain">Bahrain
<OPTION VALUE="Bangladesh">Bangladesh
<OPTION VALUE="Barbados">Barbados
<OPTION VALUE="Belarus">Belarus
<OPTION VALUE="Belgium">Belgium
<OPTION VALUE="Belize">Belize
<OPTION VALUE="Benin">Benin
<OPTION VALUE="Bermuda">Bermuda
<OPTION VALUE="Bhutan">Bhutan
<OPTION VALUE="Bolivia">Bolivia
<OPTION VALUE="Bosnia-Herzegovina">Bosnia-Herzegovina
<OPTION VALUE="Botswana">Botswana
<OPTION VALUE="Brazil">Brazil
<OPTION VALUE="British Virgin Islands">British Virgin Islands
<OPTION VALUE="Brunei">Brunei
<OPTION VALUE="Bulgaria">Bulgaria
<OPTION VALUE="Barkinoa Faso">Barkinoa Faso
<OPTION VALUE="Burundi">Burundi
<OPTION VALUE="Camaroon">Camaroon
<OPTION VALUE="Cambodia">Cambodia
<OPTION VALUE="Canada">Canada
<OPTION VALUE="Cape Verde Islands">Cape Verde Islands
<OPTION VALUE="Cayman Islands">Cayman Islands
<OPTION VALUE="Central African Rep.">Central African Rep.
<OPTION VALUE="Chad Republic">Chad Republic
<OPTION VALUE="Chile">Chile
<OPTION VALUE="China">China
<OPTION VALUE="Colombia">Colombia
<OPTION VALUE="Comoros">Comoros
<OPTION VALUE="Congo">Congo
<OPTION VALUE="Cook Islands">Cook Islands
<OPTION VALUE="Costa Rica">Costa Rica
<OPTION VALUE="Croatia">Croatia
<OPTION VALUE="Cyprus">Cyprus
<OPTION VALUE="Czech Republic">Czech Republic
<OPTION VALUE="Denmark">Denmark
<OPTION VALUE="Diego Garcia">Diego Garcia
<OPTION VALUE="Djibouti">Djibouti
<OPTION VALUE="Dominica">Dominica
<OPTION VALUE="Dominican Republic">Dominican Republic
<OPTION VALUE="Ecuador">Ecuador
<OPTION VALUE="Egypt">Egypt
<OPTION VALUE="El Salvador">El Salvador
<OPTION VALUE="Eqitorial Guinea">Eqitorial Guinea
<OPTION VALUE="Eritrea">Eritrea
<OPTION VALUE="Estonia">Estonia
<OPTION VALUE="Ethiopia">Ethiopia
<OPTION VALUE="Faeroe Islands">Faeroe Islands
<OPTION VALUE="Falkland Islands">Falkland Islands
<OPTION VALUE="Fiji Islands">Fiji Islands
<OPTION VALUE="Finland">Finland
<OPTION VALUE="French Guiana">French Guiana
<OPTION VALUE="French Polynesia">French Polynesia
<OPTION VALUE="France">France
<OPTION VALUE="French Antilles">French Antilles
<OPTION VALUE="Gabon">Gabon
<OPTION VALUE="Gambia">Gambia
<OPTION VALUE="Georgia">Georgia
<OPTION VALUE="Germany">Germany
<OPTION VALUE="Ghana">Ghana
<OPTION VALUE="Gibralter">Gibralter
<OPTION VALUE="Greece">Greece
<OPTION VALUE="Greenland">Greenland
<OPTION VALUE="Grenada">Grenada
<OPTION VALUE="Guadeloupe">Guadeloupe
<OPTION VALUE="Guam">Guam
<OPTION VALUE="Guatemala">Guatemala
<OPTION VALUE="Guinea">Guinea
<OPTION VALUE="Guinea Bissau">Guinea Bissau
<OPTION VALUE="Guyana">Guyana
<OPTION VALUE="Haiti">Haiti
<OPTION VALUE="Honduras">Honduras
<OPTION VALUE="Hong Kong">Hong Kong
<OPTION VALUE="Hungary">Hungary
<OPTION VALUE="Iceland">Iceland
<OPTION VALUE="India">India
<OPTION VALUE="Indonesia">Indonesia
<OPTION VALUE="Iran">Iran
<OPTION VALUE="Iraq">Iraq
<OPTION VALUE="Ireland">Ireland
<OPTION VALUE="Israel">Israel
<OPTION VALUE="Italy">Italy
<OPTION VALUE="Ivory Coast">Ivory Coast
<OPTION VALUE="Jamaica">Jamaica
<OPTION VALUE="Japan">Japan
<OPTION VALUE="Jordan">Jordan
<OPTION VALUE="Kazakhstan">Kazakhstan
<OPTION VALUE="Kenya">Kenya
<OPTION VALUE="Kiribati">Kiribati
<OPTION VALUE="Korea">Korea
<OPTION VALUE="Kuwait">Kuwait
<OPTION VALUE="Kyrgyzstan">Kyrgyzstan
<OPTION VALUE="Laos">Laos
<OPTION VALUE="Latvia">Latvia
<OPTION VALUE="Lebanon">Lebanon
<OPTION VALUE="Lesotho">Lesotho
<OPTION VALUE="Liberia">Liberia
<OPTION VALUE="Libya">Libya
<OPTION VALUE="Lithuania">Lithuania
<OPTION VALUE="Luxembourg">Luxembourg
<OPTION VALUE="Macao">Macao
<OPTION VALUE="Macedonia">Macedonia
<OPTION VALUE="Madagascar">Madagascar
<OPTION VALUE="Malawi">Malawi
<OPTION VALUE="Malaysia">Malaysia
<OPTION VALUE="Maldives">Maldives
<OPTION VALUE="Mali Republic">Mali Republic
<OPTION VALUE="Malta">Malta
<OPTION VALUE="Marshall Islands">Marshall Islands
<OPTION VALUE="Mauritania">Mauritania
<OPTION VALUE="Mauritius">Mauritius
<OPTION VALUE="Mexico">Mexico
<OPTION VALUE="Micronesia">Micronesia
<OPTION VALUE="Moldiva">Moldiva
<OPTION VALUE="Mongolia">Mongolia
<OPTION VALUE="Montserrat">Montserrat
<OPTION VALUE="Morocco">Morocco
<OPTION VALUE="Mozambique">Mozambique
<OPTION VALUE="Namibia">Namibia
<OPTION VALUE="Nauru">Nauru
<OPTION VALUE="Nepal">Nepal
<OPTION VALUE="Netherland Antilles">Netherland Antilles
<OPTION VALUE="Netherlands">Netherlands
<OPTION VALUE="Nevis">Nevis
<OPTION VALUE="New Calidonia">New Calidonia
<OPTION VALUE="New Zealand">New Zealand
<OPTION VALUE="Nicaragua">Nicaragua
<OPTION VALUE="Niger">Niger
<OPTION VALUE="Nigeria">Nigeria
<OPTION VALUE="Niue Island">Niue Island
<OPTION VALUE="Norfork Island">Norfork Island
<OPTION VALUE="Norway">Norway
<OPTION VALUE="Oman">Oman
<OPTION VALUE="Pakistan">Pakistan
<OPTION VALUE="Palau">Palau
<OPTION VALUE="Panama">Panama
<OPTION VALUE="Papua New Guinea">Papua New Guinea
<OPTION VALUE="Paraguay">Paraguay
<OPTION VALUE="Peru">Peru
<OPTION VALUE="Philipines">Philipines
<OPTION VALUE="Poland">Poland
<OPTION VALUE="Portugal">Portugal
<OPTION VALUE="Puerto Rico">Puerto Rico
<OPTION VALUE="Qatar">Qatar
<OPTION VALUE="Reunion Island">Reunion Island
<OPTION VALUE="Romania">Romania
<OPTION VALUE="Russia">Russian Federation
<OPTION VALUE="Rwanda">Rwanda
<OPTION VALUE="Saipan">Saipan
<OPTION VALUE="Sao Tome">Sao Tome
<OPTION VALUE="Saudi Arabia">Saudi Arabia
<OPTION VALUE="Senegal Republic">Senegal Republic
<OPTION VALUE="Seychelles Island">Seychelles Island
<OPTION VALUE="Sierrra Leone">Sierrra Leone
<OPTION VALUE="Singapore">Singapore
<OPTION VALUE="Slovenia">Slovenia
<OPTION VALUE="Soloman Island">Soloman Island
<OPTION VALUE="Somalia">Somalia
<OPTION VALUE="South Africa">South Africa
<OPTION VALUE="Spain">Spain
<OPTION VALUE="Sri Lanka">Sri Lanka
<OPTION VALUE="St. Helen">St. Helen
<OPTION VALUE="St. Kitts">St. Kitts
<OPTION VALUE="St. Lucia">St. Lucia
<OPTION VALUE="St. Pierre">St. Pierre
<OPTION VALUE="St. Vincent">St. Vincent
<OPTION VALUE="Sudan">Sudan
<OPTION VALUE="Suriname">Suriname
<OPTION VALUE="Swaziland">Swaziland
<OPTION VALUE="Sweden">Sweden
<OPTION VALUE="Switzerland">Switzerland
<OPTION VALUE="Syria">Syria
<OPTION VALUE="Taiwan">Taiwan
<OPTION VALUE="Tanzania">Tanzania
<OPTION VALUE="Thailand">Thailand
<OPTION VALUE="Togo">Togo
<OPTION VALUE="Tonga">Tonga
<OPTION VALUE="Trinidad & Tobago">Trinidad & Tobago
<OPTION VALUE="Tunisia">Tunisia
<OPTION VALUE="Turkey">Turkey
<OPTION VALUE="Turks and Caicos">Turks & Caicos
<OPTION VALUE="Tuvalu">Tuvalu
<OPTION VALUE="Uganda">Uganda
<OPTION VALUE="Ukraine">Ukraine
<OPTION VALUE="United Arab Emirates">United Arab Emirates
<OPTION VALUE="United Kingdom">United Kingdom
<OPTION VALUE="United States">United States
<OPTION VALUE="Uruguay">Uruguay
<OPTION VALUE="Vanuatu">Vanuatu
<OPTION VALUE="Venezuela">Venezuela
<OPTION VALUE="Viet Nam">Viet Nam
<OPTION VALUE="West Samoa">West Samoa
<OPTION VALUE="Yemen">Yemen
<OPTION VALUE="Yugoslavia">Yugoslavia
<OPTION VALUE="Zaire">Zaire
<OPTION VALUE="Zambia">Zambia
<OPTION VALUE="Zimbabwe">Zimbabwe
</SELECT></p>
</td>
</tr>
</table>
<p>Please select which service you require <select name="Service
Required" size="1">
<option selected>Please Select one</option>
<option value="Sales Engineer To Call">Sales Engineer to Call</option>
<option value="Sales Engineer and Brochure">Sales Engineer and
Brochure</option>
<option value="Send Brochure only">Send Brochure only</option>
</select></p>
<p align="left"><font color="#000000">Please select which Product you
require
information on. </font><font color="#FF0000">(please select more than one if
required)</font></p>
<p><input TYPE="checkbox" NAME="PALLET RACKING" value="ON"> Pallet
Racking
<input TYPE="checkbox" NAME="SLOTTED ANGLE" value="ON"> Slotted Angle
<input TYPE="checkbox" NAME="MAXI BINS" value="ON">
Maxi Bins <input TYPE="checkbox" NAME="PLAN D SHELVING" value="ON"> Plan D
Shelving <input TYPE="checkbox" NAME="MOBILE SHELVING" value="ON">
Mobile Shelving</p>
<p><input TYPE="checkbox" NAME="COLD ROOM SHELVING" value="ON"> Cold Room
Shelving <input TYPE="checkbox" NAME="STEEL SHELVING" value="ON">
Steel
Shelving <input TYPE="checkbox" NAME="OFFICE CABINETS" value="ON">
Office
Cabinets <input TYPE="checkbox" NAME="STORWALL" value="ON"> Storwall <input
TYPE="checkbox" NAME="CONVEYORS" value="ON">
Conveyors</p>
<p><input TYPE="checkbox" NAME="Raised Storage Areas" value="ON"> Raised
Storage
Areas <input TYPE="checkbox" NAME="Cantilever Racking" value="ON">
Cantilever Racking <input TYPE="checkbox" NAME="Selecta Flow"
value="ON">
Selecta-Flo <input TYPE="checkbox" NAME="Filing Systems" value="ON">
Filing Systems </p>
<p> </p>
<p><font color="#FF0000"><b><i><u>Comments</u></i></b></font></p>
<p><textarea name="COMMENTS" Rows=10 Cols=50></textarea>
<p>
<p><INPUT TYPE="submit" ACTION="http://brizze.com/cgi-bin/formmail.cgi"
VALUE="Submit Form" METHOD="post"><INPUT TYPE="reset" VALUE="Reset
Form"></p>
<p><span style='display:none;mso-hide:all'><INPUT TYPE="hidden"
NAME="env_report"
VALUE="REMOTE_HOST,REMOTE_ADDR,HTTP_USER_AGENT"></span><span
style='display:none;mso-hide:all'><INPUT TYPE="hidden"
NAME="print_blank_fields" VALUE="1"></span></p>
</form>
<div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'>
<hr size=2 width="100%" align=center>
</div>
</div>
</body>
</html>
Isofarro
<le...@powerup.com.au> wrote:
>Can some please explain why Netscape won't submit the form following is the
>error message.
>
>I get the following error message when I submit the form even though all
>fields are filled in correctly.
>
> Error: No Recipient
> No Recipient was specified in the data sent to FormMail.
>Please make sure you have filled in the 'recipient' form field with an
>e-mail address. More information on filling in recipient form fields can
>be found in the README file.
Have a look at the cgi-program. You'll need to debug this. Its found
something it can't understand, and thus produces this error message.
You have a field called recipient , check whether this exists in the
CGI-program (it could be RECIPIENT instead) - could be something like
that.
The field names could be context sensitive (you start off with FIRST
NAME and then switch case later on).
Iso.
ecs5298
LES RICHARDSON <le...@powerup.com.au> wrote in message
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And you wonder why it won't work in Netscape??????
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LES RICHARDSON <le...@powerup.com.au> wrote in message
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L.J.
script. This is why Formmail is throwing back an error. In reality,
Netscape is notorious for choking on the most plausible HTML (occasionally
generated by FrontPage).
I'm sure that comment will keep the NG busy for a while.
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Tina - White Lake Web <wl...@webshore.net> wrote in message
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Joe Cosby
"L.J." hunched over his computer, typing feverishly;
thunder crashed, "L.J." laughed madly, then wrote:
> Nonsence! This is a down to user error in configuring a third party Perl
> script. This is why Formmail is throwing back an error. In reality,
> Netscape is notorious for choking on the most plausible HTML (occasionally
> generated by FrontPage).
>
I tried to edit a page in FrontPage and it added a modifier called
'absbottom' to my IMG tag
<IMG ... align=absbottom ... >
Could you help me locate this in the HTML spec?
> I'm sure that comment will keep the NG busy for a while.
>
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L.J.
> 'absbottom' to my IMG tag
>
> <IMG ... align=absbottom ... >
Correction: FrontPage did not add this modifier. You did it by trying to
align the image after you inserted it. With particular browser compatiblity
options set, this is unlikely to have happened.
absbottom was proposed back in 1996, and it also has to be explicitly
selected from a drop down list when applying it to an image. So why did you
select it? You are clued up on the W3C specification aren't you? It seems
a little silly. The words pot, kettle and black all spring to mind.
"Bottom" (the attribute agreed by W3S) comes before absbottom in the list.
Regardless of the W3C specification, the absbottom attribute will work on
Netscape & Internet Explorer browsers v3.x upwards. If you are supporting
earlier browsers only, I pity you. Your site must have all the technical
ooompah of a Sinclair ZX81 with an accoustic modem.
I'm afraid I'm prejudiced against Lynx too. It all seems a bit like trying
to watch the telly with a blanket over the screen. Forgive me for my absurd
opinions. ;-o
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I will make you shorter by a head.
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Joe Cosby <joec...@padhov.mindspring.com.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> "L.J." hunched over his computer, typing feverishly;
> thunder crashed, "L.J." laughed madly, then wrote:
>
> > Nonsence! This is a down to user error in configuring a third party
Perl
> > script. This is why Formmail is throwing back an error. In reality,
> > Netscape is notorious for choking on the most plausible HTML
(occasionally
> > generated by FrontPage).
> >
>
> I tried to edit a page in FrontPage and it added a modifier called
> 'absbottom' to my IMG tag
>
> <IMG ... align=absbottom ... >
>
> Could you help me locate this in the HTML spec?
>
> > I'm sure that comment will keep the NG busy for a while.
> >
>
>
> --
Joe Cosby
"L.J." hunched over his computer, typing feverishly;
thunder crashed, "L.J." laughed madly, then wrote:
> > I tried to edit a page in FrontPage and it added a modifier called
> > 'absbottom' to my IMG tag
> >
> > <IMG ... align=absbottom ... >
>
> Correction: FrontPage did not add this modifier. You did it by trying to
> align the image after you inserted it. With particular browser compatiblity
> options set, this is unlikely to have happened.
>
This is silly, this will go on forever. "Frontpage did not add
this modifier".
Why is it that when weaknesses and incompatibilities in MS
products are pointed out, some people will go on forever inventing
their own forms of logic to nullify them?
Yes, FrontPage did add this modifier.
> Regardless of the W3C specification, the absbottom attribute will work on
> Netscape & Internet Explorer browsers v3.x upwards. If you are supporting
> earlier browsers only, I pity you. Your site must have all the technical
> ooompah of a Sinclair ZX81 with an accoustic modem.
>
> I'm afraid I'm prejudiced against Lynx too. It all seems a bit like trying
> to watch the telly with a blanket over the screen. Forgive me for my absurd
> opinions. ;-o
>
And of course, when these 'some people' get on a roll, they
immediately go off on irrelevant ad hominem tangents. This has
nothing to do with what we were talking about.
I give up. You win. I lose. Why I'm not sure. I'm inventing my
own logic too.
L.J.
No it didn't. As is being clarified by others in this thread which you can
no doubt *not* see because it was cross posted. MS FP will not add the
absbottom attribute automatically. You would have to explicitly select it.
If you are truly not aware of this, then you obviously need some kind of
tutorial for GUI applications.
Yes this could go on forever, but only if you insist that FP added that
attribute automatically. Because you are 100% wrong.
Good day to you sir:
L.J.
PS:
> And of course, when these 'some people' get on a roll, they
> immediately go off on irrelevant ad hominem tangents.
What is it they say? It takes one to know one? Why not just learn about
your tools rather than make uneducated comments about them?
> This has
> nothing to do with what we were talking about.
Neither did Microsoft FrontPage have anything to do with a badly configured
FormMail script. It didn't stop you jumping in with a load of BS though did
it?
Again, good day to you.
Joe Cosby
"L.J." hunched over his computer, typing feverishly;
thunder crashed, "L.J." laughed madly, then wrote:
> > Yes, FrontPage did add this modifier.
>
> No it didn't. As is being clarified by others in this thread which you can
> no doubt *not* see because it was cross posted. MS FP will not add the
> absbottom attribute automatically. You would have to explicitly select it.
> If you are truly not aware of this, then you obviously need some kind of
> tutorial for GUI applications.
>
> Yes this could go on forever, but only if you insist that FP added that
> attribute automatically. Because you are 100% wrong.
>
I'm quite aware that FP added the tag as a result of my choices in
the GUI. It's irrelevant.
The point is that FP added a non-HTML tag transparently to the
user.
To put it another way, yes, FP added the -tag- automatically. As
a user, I asked it to align an image in a certain way. The fact
that the tag is added automatically is obvious, all tags which FP
adds are added automatically. The user doesn't see (or want to
see, if he/she is using FP) what tags are added.
And that is trivial. It wouldn't be doing it's job if that
weren't the case.
What is relevant is that in it's default settings FP will add tags
which are not HTML supported and the typical user will not realize
that they are using improper tags(/modifiers).
In three out of four browsers in which I tested the page I was
able to get the image aligned on the bottom of a table cell by
using valign=bottom in the TD tag. With IE only the 'absbottom'
modifier worked.
This leads to web pages being produced which will not render
properly unless viewed in IE, and encourages the impression that
NN should be avoided because it is inferior.
That is not to say that I am arguing that NN is or is not
inferior, I have no idea. I haven't tried to test them
comparatively in order to find out.
But regardless, the behaviour of FP will encourage that impression
even if it isn't true, and will strengthen that impression
unfairly if it is.
> > And of course, when these 'some people' get on a roll, they
> > immediately go off on irrelevant ad hominem tangents.
>
> What is it they say? It takes one to know one? Why not just learn about
> your tools rather than make uneducated comments about them?
>
"If you are supporting
earlier browsers only, I pity you. Your site must have all the
technical
ooompah of a Sinclair ZX81 with an accoustic modem.
I'm afraid I'm prejudiced against Lynx too. It all seems a bit
like trying
to watch the telly with a blanket over the screen."
What does that have to do with whether or not front page produces
code which chokes NN?
You have by some automatic association known only to you decided
that my objecting to a non-HTML tag is equivalent to making pages
geared towards a Sinclair or browsing with Lynx.
> > This has
> > nothing to do with what we were talking about.
>
> Neither did Microsoft FrontPage have anything to do with a badly configured
> FormMail script. It didn't stop you jumping in with a load of BS though did
> it?
>
What I responded to was your assertion that FP did not produce
code which unnecessarily leads to problems with some browsers.
> Again, good day to you.
Later dude.
...
I apologize to the readers of alt.html for the pointless thread, I
am pathologically incapable of letting what seems to me to be
clear disinformation be disseminated without comment. I know it's
annoying and costs bandwidth, especially for those of you in the
UK. But if people post disinformation and it isn't responded to,
then other people reading the article take it as fact.
And I also apologize to those to whom this has been cross-posted,
I don't ever originate cross-posted threads personally but if an
article to which I am responding is crossposted I feel forced to
reply to the groups to which it is originally posted; otherwise I
don't know if I'm talking to thin air or not.
L.J.
machine only. It was put there BY GIANT EVIL LIZARDS FROM OUTER SPACE,
THAT'S BY WHO! YES, GIANT EVIL LIZARDS FROM OUTER SPACE!
Fella - your website is a killer. I was eating a vindaloo, freshly
delivered by the take away whilst I was reading it. This made it a somewhat
surreal experience. Keep up the good work my friend. Hehe. ;-D
--
Cheers: L.J.
I will make you shorter by a head.
Elizabeth I (1533-1603)
http://www.strictlybritish.co.uk - Banish British Beef to email me.
Joe Cosby <joec...@vesqyj.mindspring.com.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> "L.J." hunched over his computer, typing feverishly;
> thunder crashed, "L.J." laughed madly, then wrote:
> > > I tried to edit a page in FrontPage and it added a modifier called
> > > 'absbottom' to my IMG tag
> > >
> > > <IMG ... align=absbottom ... >
> >
> > Correction: FrontPage did not add this modifier. You did it by trying
to
> > align the image after you inserted it. With particular browser
compatiblity
> > options set, this is unlikely to have happened.
> >
>
> This is silly, this will go on forever. "Frontpage did not add
> this modifier".
>
> Why is it that when weaknesses and incompatibilities in MS
> products are pointed out, some people will go on forever inventing
> their own forms of logic to nullify them?
>
> Yes, FrontPage did add this modifier.
>
> > Regardless of the W3C specification, the absbottom attribute will work
on
> > Netscape & Internet Explorer browsers v3.x upwards. If you are
supporting
> > earlier browsers only, I pity you. Your site must have all the
technical
> > ooompah of a Sinclair ZX81 with an accoustic modem.
> >
> > I'm afraid I'm prejudiced against Lynx too. It all seems a bit like
trying
> > to watch the telly with a blanket over the screen. Forgive me for my
absurd
> > opinions. ;-o
> >
>
> And of course, when these 'some people' get on a roll, they
> immediately go off on irrelevant ad hominem tangents. This has
> nothing to do with what we were talking about.
>
> I give up. You win. I lose. Why I'm not sure. I'm inventing my
> own logic too.
>
Joe Cosby
"L.J." hunched over his computer, typing feverishly;
thunder crashed, "L.J." laughed madly, then wrote:
> Joe, I've just figured out why FrontPage inserted that alignment tag on your
> machine only. It was put there BY GIANT EVIL LIZARDS FROM OUTER SPACE,
> THAT'S BY WHO! YES, GIANT EVIL LIZARDS FROM OUTER SPACE!
>
> Fella - your website is a killer. I was eating a vindaloo, freshly
> delivered by the take away whilst I was reading it. This made it a somewhat
> surreal experience. Keep up the good work my friend. Hehe. ;-D
>
Thank you :^)
But you're doing this all wrong, we're having an MS-related
debate. Next you're supposed to call me a Nazi :^)
(Jeez, don't people read the FAQ's?)
Isofarro
<l...@strictly.screamingbritishbeef.net> wrote:
>Regardless of the W3C specification, the absbottom attribute will work on
>Netscape & Internet Explorer browsers v3.x upwards. If you are supporting
>earlier browsers only, I pity you. Your site must have all the technical
>ooompah of a Sinclair ZX81 with an accoustic modem.
Excuse me, just who the *beep* *beep* *beep* *beep*?
I use the ZX81 here as a net server, keeping up to date with the stock
exchange, and running my private nuclear powerstation (with the
additional 16K RamPack). With two of them the parallel processing
possibilities are endless - much better than letting it run a mere web
browser.
Now excuse me, while I change the glass of warm water sitting on top
of my ZX81 and replace it with an ice-cold one again.
:-)
Iso.
Seak, Teng-Fong
> > I tried to edit a page in FrontPage and it added a modifier called
> > 'absbottom' to my IMG tag
> >
> > <IMG ... align=absbottom ... >
>
> Correction: FrontPage did not add this modifier. You did it by trying to
> align the image after you inserted it. With particular browser compatiblity
> options set, this is unlikely to have happened.
>
> absbottom was proposed back in 1996, and it also has to be explicitly
> selected from a drop down list when applying it to an image. So why did you
> select it? You are clued up on the W3C specification aren't you? It seems a
> little silly.
It's certainly ridiculous if someone knows that "absbottom" isn't in W3
specification but still uses it. But how about someone knowing nothing about W3
specifications? How could he judge if he should select it or not? On the other
hand, I think without looking into the source code, one could never know if
"absbottom" or "bottom" is actually used.
Well, I never use FP to make webpages (because it creates bad pages viewed
on Netscape, a browser approved by my organisation since several years), but as
far as I know, since FP is Wysiwyg editor, so I think one would see icon/picture
of how images are arranged rather than words like "top", "bottom" or "absbottom"
in a drop-down list to choose how his image is to be arranged.
> The words pot, kettle and black all spring to mind.
>
> "Bottom" (the attribute agreed by W3S) comes before absbottom in the list.
>
> Regardless of the W3C specification, the absbottom attribute will work on
> Netscape & Internet Explorer browsers v3.x upwards.
Whether absbottom will work on Netscape/IE is another matter. The main
matter is that FP uses a lot of non standard (call it extension if you like)
stuffs which make presentation of the same webpages on Netscape very bad, unless
they are corrected manually afterwards.
> If you are supporting earlier browsers only, I pity you.
What's wrong of using earlier browsers? If the role of browser is
information distribution, earlier versions of browsers like Netscape 3 is
sufficient. In large organisation like research centers, Unix is the main
system. Well, nobody is stupid enough or willing to have their browsers
integrating into the system and let all kind of virus attacking system through
browsers. But it would be a waste of resource to use Netscape 4, so Netscape 3
is still very popular.
> Your site must have all the technical ooompah of a Sinclair ZX81 with an
> accoustic modem. I'm afraid I'm prejudiced against Lynx too. It all seems a
> bit like trying to watch the telly with a blanket over the screen. Forgive me
> for my absurd opinions. ;-o
What's wrong with Lynx? You'd better not try to attack Lynx. There're a
lot of lynx users out there and they use lynx because either they don't need to
see all the pictures, or they don't have graphical display. Well, if you don't
mind being flamed, keep on. I don't care anyway.
Seak, Teng-Fong
> To put it another way, yes, FP added the -tag- automatically. As
> a user, I asked it to align an image in a certain way. The fact
> that the tag is added automatically is obvious, all tags which FP
> adds are added automatically. The user doesn't see (or want to
> see, if he/she is using FP) what tags are added.
Joe, I agree with you.
> And that is trivial. It wouldn't be doing it's job if that
> weren't the case.
>
> What is relevant is that in it's default settings FP will add tags
> which are not HTML supported and the typical user will not realize
> that they are using improper tags(/modifiers).
Yup. Furthermore, in Html specification, it's written that it a very bad
practice to use absolute font size, Netscape's composer has already corrected this
but FP still puts absolute font size (like 8 points or 10 points) everywhere in
such a way that websites generated by FP are barely readable on my screen!
Actually, not only FP is a such a nut, Outlook (Express) is the same as well.
It's easy to recognize emails generated by Outlook: text is blue on white
(blurk!), Arial and small fonts!
"Where do you want to go today?" asked Microsoft.
After reading tens of such emails, my answer is definitely "I want to go to
see my ophtalmologist!" By the way, should such practice still be considered as
ergonomic? I think you know already the answer: this constitutes a kind of
"information technological injury" in serious case.
> In three out of four browsers in which I tested the page I was
> able to get the image aligned on the bottom of a table cell by
> using valign=bottom in the TD tag. With IE only the 'absbottom'
> modifier worked.
>
> This leads to web pages being produced which will not render
> properly unless viewed in IE, and encourages the impression that
> NN should be avoided because it is inferior.
Actually, nowadays Netscape isn't the only victime of Microsoft monopoly and
cunning. In some sites, Kfm (web browser of KDE) also gives a poor rendering. I
haven't tried to see if other browsers like HotJava or Amaya would also give poor
results.
> What I responded to was your assertion that FP did not produce
> code which unnecessarily leads to problems with some browsers.
I'm not saying it's bad that MS tries to introduce extensions to standard
(and indeed, we always need innovations), but if in doing so, it is intentional to
make other browsers suffer a lot, it isn't fair-play.
> I apologize to the readers of alt.html for the pointless thread, I
> [snipped]
> UK. But if people post disinformation and it isn't responded to,
> then other people reading the article take it as fact.
Once again, totally agree with you on this point (and the following point
which I didn't include to reduce message length).
Seak, Teng-Fong
> To put it another way, yes, FP added the -tag- automatically. As
> [snipped]
> see, if he/she is using FP) what tags are added.
Joe, I agree with you.
> And that is trivial. It wouldn't be doing it's job if that
> [snipped]
Seak, Teng-Fong
> To put it another way, yes, FP added the -tag- automatically. As
> a user, I asked it to align an image in a certain way. The fact
> that the tag is added automatically is obvious, all tags which FP
> adds are added automatically. The user doesn't see (or want to
> see, if he/she is using FP) what tags are added.
Joe, I agree with you.
> And that is trivial. It wouldn't be doing it's job if that
> weren't the case.
>
> What is relevant is that in it's default settings FP will add tags
> which are not HTML supported and the typical user will not realize
Seak, Teng-Fong
> To put it another way, yes, FP added the -tag- automatically. As
> [snipped]
Seak, Teng-Fong
> To put it another way, yes, FP added the -tag- automatically. As
> [snipped]
> see, if he/she is using FP) what tags are added.
Joe, I agree with you.
> And that is trivial. It wouldn't be doing it's job if that
> [snipped]
Seak, Teng-Fong
Win98. There was only 2 MB available. I don't know why, whenever system memory drops
to almost zero, Internet connections are partially broken, and in the case of sending
mails/posts I was warned that it wasn't sent but in fact it was. This happens with
Netscape as well as IE.
Tina - White Lake Web
hiccups on ya. Five times? ; )
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Seak, Teng-Fong <seak.te...@iname.com> wrote in message
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Jens Peter Karlsen [FP MVP]
uses 1-6 as sizes not points.
Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.
Seak, Teng-Fong
> For all your griping about Microsoft, it looks as if Netscape mail got the
> hiccups on ya. Five times? ; )
Yup, I noticed it later on when a download using IE stopped. The problem
comes from Win9x with very low memory availability as I explained in another
post. Sorry for that.
Seak, Teng-Fong
> If you care to check the font dropdown in FP2000 you will see that it
> uses 1-6 as sizes not points.
Hmm, it took Microsoft more than three years (from FP around 97) to realize this
problem ..... not very efficient. And I suppose there's no patch for pre-FP2000 to
correct this, I suppose?
L.J.
I suppose that's why after a fourty-eight hour absence, I can see nine
messages from you in a marked thread. Get a life.
Do what I did, click edit, mark all as read and spend more time helping a
charity (or something). It might help you relieve all of that tension in a
more positive way.
Warmest regards: L.J.
Seak, Teng-Fong
> > I don't care anyway.
>
> I suppose that's why after a fourty-eight hour absence, I can see nine
> messages from you in a marked thread. Get a life.
Well, actually, out of 9 messages, there were in fact three messages
because 4 were repeated and 2 were apologies. By the way, it isn't good to
just include my last part of the sentence and interpret it in your way. Be
honest. I didn't mean I don't care sending out several repeat posts wasting
other's bandwidth.
> Do what I did, click edit, mark all as read and spend more time helping a
> charity (or something). It might help you relieve all of that tension in a
> more positive way.
Charity? What're you talking about? Tension? I don't have any tension.
The fact that you don't want to read other's replies seems to imply that you're
still not convinced that FP isn't as good as it claims to be. Well, all it
counts is that one feels happy with something he appreciates, and that's most
important.
L.J.
> seems to imply that you're still not convinced that
> FP isn't as good as it claims to be.
If this was the case, I wouldn't waste my time writing add-ins for it.
> Well, all it counts is that one feels happy with
> something he appreciates, and that's most
> important.
Sure. If you are happy supporting the ill-conceived opinions of somebody
who thinks he is being fed junk food and sitcoms by giant lizards from
outer-space, then I am happy for you.
--
Cheers: L.J.
I will make you shorter by a head.
Elizabeth I (1533-1603)
http://www.strictlybritish.co.uk - Banish British Beef to email me.
Seak, Teng-Fong <seak.te...@iname.com> wrote in message
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Mark F.
Frontpage 98 and had no problems with Netscape 4.0 and higher. I prefer
using a text editor and write the code myself however.
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