<META NAME="keywords"...
Stefan Karlsson
For a while I've been following the different questions about META-tags and
realized that I really do not know how to use them properly - especially the
keywords. I therefore decided to do some reading about it, but sadly I'm
getting more and more confused since the tutorials say different things.
Should you write "keyword1,keyword2,keyword3" or "keyword1, keyword2,
keyword3" - i.e. with or without spaces between the words?
Secondly some say that you should write "Keyword1, keyword1, Keyword2,
keyword2, Keyword3, keyword3" to increase the possibility to get hits, and
then again some say that _that_ is considered spamming by the searchengines.
Last but not least - as my site is in swedish and most probably only visited
by people that has å, ä and ö on their keyboards should i spell the keywords
with å, ä and ö, or with å, ä and ö?
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dogbomb
> Should you write "keyword1,keyword2,keyword3" or "keyword1, keyword2,
> keyword3" - i.e. with or without spaces between the words?
= In the main, search engines prefer the keywords to be *without*
spaces, they see the spce as part of the word.
> Secondly some say that you should write "Keyword1, keyword1, Keyword2,
> keyword2, Keyword3, keyword3" to increase the possibility to get
hits, and
> then again some say that _that_ is considered spamming by the
searchengines.
= Again, most search engines (I think.. Im not REAL sure about this
one) dont consider it spamming if there is a different casing of the
word, ie.. you can have dogbomb,Dogbomb,dOgbomb,DoGbOmB,etc...
> Last but not least - as my site is in swedish and most probably only
visited
> by people that has å, ä and ö on their keyboards should i spell the
keywords
> with å, ä and ö, or with å, ä and ö?
= Not sure about this one, but I would say to put the words as
something like.. dogbomb,dögbömb,hellö,hello,etc... Sory about my lack
of knowldge of swedish words..
Hope this helps a little, and I hope someone can put me straight on
these too.. Im not 100 percent on some of them..
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>For a while I've been following the different questions about META-tags and
>realized that I really do not know how to use them properly - especially the
>keywords.
Don't worry. Improper use is so widespread that proper use has little
significance. If you'd list the same words as appear in your document,
that would mostly be redundant, wouldn't it? And if not, search
engines might regard it as "keyword spamming", and they are becoming
more and more distrustful in this area.
> I therefore decided to do some reading about it, but sadly I'm
>getting more and more confused since the tutorials say different things.
No wonder. There is no authoritative specification of what search
engines _should_ no. And what they _actually_ do is usually
confidential information; what they _say_ is just what they wish to
tell us.
>Last but not least - as my site is in swedish and most probably only visited
>by people that has å, ä and ö on their keyboards should i spell the keywords
>with å, ä and ö, or with å, ä and ö?
They are equivalent as far as HTML is considered. Search engines might
screw things up (I've seen some symptoms of their actually doing
that), but how could you tell which alternative is screwed up more
probably? Relax and write normally. Unless your data has to pass some
antique (7-bit) pathway on the way from your computer to the server,
there is no reason to use å and things like that if you can
conveniently produce the 8-bit characters (in ISO 8859-1 encoding).
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Stefan Karlsson
<3819f822...@news.cs.hut.fi>...
<snip>
>No wonder. There is no authoritative specification of what search
>engines _should_ no. And what they _actually_ do is usually
>confidential information; what they _say_ is just what they wish to
>tell us.
So in other words - we can try to do it right but we can never be sure that
we have. A rather depressing thought.
>>Last but not least - as my site is in swedish and most probably only visited
>>by people that has å, ä and ö on their keyboards should i spell the keywords
>>with å, ä and ö, or with å, ä and ö?
>
>They are equivalent as far as HTML is considered. Search engines might
>screw things up (I've seen some symptoms of their actually doing
>that), but how could you tell which alternative is screwed up more
>probably? Relax and write normally. Unless your data has to pass some
>antique (7-bit) pathway on the way from your computer to the server,
>there is no reason to use å and things like that if you can
>conveniently produce the 8-bit characters (in ISO 8859-1 encoding).
Ok! I'll stick to no spaces, one lowercase version of each keyword and use
the "real" spelling then. Thanks to both you and Dogbomb for the
information.
ao...@swpinfo.com
<stefankk_s...@hem3.passagen.se> wrote:
>Hi!
>
>For a while I've been following the different questions about META-tags and
>realized that I really do not know how to use them properly - especially the
>keywords. I therefore decided to do some reading about it, but sadly I'm
>getting more and more confused since the tutorials say different things.
>
>Should you write "keyword1,keyword2,keyword3" or "keyword1, keyword2,
>keyword3" - i.e. with or without spaces between the words?
>Secondly some say that you should write "Keyword1, keyword1, Keyword2,
>keyword2, Keyword3, keyword3" to increase the possibility to get hits, and
>then again some say that _that_ is considered spamming by the searchengines.
>
>Last but not least - as my site is in swedish and most probably only visited
>by people that has å, ä and ö on their keyboards should i spell the keywords
>with å, ä and ö, or with å, ä and ö?
>
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>Stefan Karlsson
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Always separate your keywords with comma's ONLY. For example:
keyword1,keyword2,keyword3. This works well o most search engines. The
reason you get coflicting comments from different tutorials is because
each of the search engines algorhythms are slightly different.
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Mike Lepore
dogbomb wrote:
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> = Again, most search engines (I think.. Im not REAL sure about this
> one) dont consider it spamming if there is a different casing of the
> word, ie.. you can have dogbomb,Dogbomb,dOgbomb,DoGbOmB,etc...
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I thought keywords were insensitive to upper / lower case.
People usually go to a search engine and type "einstein" etc.
no capital letters.
I suppose that no one looking for dogbomb would ever
do a search for DoGbOmB.
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dogbomb
Mike Lepore <lep...@mhv.net> wrote:
> I thought keywords were insensitive to upper / lower case.
> People usually go to a search engine and type "einstein" etc.
> no capital letters.
> I suppose that no one looking for dogbomb would ever
> do a search for DoGbOmB.
>
I agree, but the search engines do not consider a repetition of a work
as META spam when it is repeated with a different case, I usually stick
to all lower case meta keywords though.
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Mike Lepore
is it considered too much repetition in keywords if the same
string is part of many phrases? Example,
,art supplies,artists,art history,fine arts,art criticism,
renaissance painters,impressionist painters,oil painting,
acrylic painting,watercolor painting,
... or when you folks say "repetition" do you mean
exact repetition ??
Thank you
Mike Lepore
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J Kirby Inwood
Mike Lepore <lep...@mhv.net> postulates:
>> Thanks for the info. I have another question, if anyone knows...
>> is it considered too much repetition in keywords if the same
>> string is part of many phrases?
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keyword as many times as you wish provided you dont, for example, use
keywords="apples,apples,apples,apples" however you would probably get
away with
green apples, yellow apples, red apples, orange apples, blue apples,
rotton apples, ...." etc.
As a rule I try to keep repetitions down to 7 or less.
Mike
>... or when you folks say "repetition" do you mean
>exact repetition ??
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Steve Grant
m...@mjm.co.uk wrote:
> however you would probably get
> away with
> green apples, yellow apples, red apples, orange apples, blue apples,
> rotton apples, ...." etc.
Newbies beware. Now we advise you in methods of fraud.
> As a rule I try to keep repetitions down to 7 or less.
Hey, newbies, is it any wonder that <meta> keywords are low on the hit
list? Listen closely. You can get search engines to find your page
on Real Estate even if the surfer wants Goldfish. Slick, huh?
Fraud.
Clue - reputable search engine owners get hacked off when Realtors
start turning up in searches for Goldfish. Since these owners are in
a position of doing something about it (banning your ISP, totally
ignoring META keywords), you might want to learn how to get your page
up to the top without using spam. Or meta.
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Websketching
Mr. Grant,
You have meta tags on your site.
You are comparing apples to oranges.
If your site discussed all kinds of apples, what would be wrong with using
"green apples, yellow apples, red apples, orange apples, blue apples, rotton
dr. meta
http://www.drmeta.com
Steve Grant <sgr...@iglou.com> wrote in message
news:3845...@news.iglou.com...
> In article <dBhEOKFePWJCD1HqBf=o7vXTuU=i...@4ax.com>,
> m...@mjm.co.uk wrote:
>
> > however you would probably get
> > away with
> > green apples, yellow apples, red apples, orange apples, blue apples,
> > rotton apples, ...." etc.
>
>
Steve Grant
Yes, that's the way I learned that they don't work. And no, I don't
make a habit of rewriting old web pages. I write new web pages to
test ideas.
In fact, on one of those pages I ask the reader to consider that meta
"keywords" are worthwhile only for providing a collection of words the
author wants to emphasize. With these in front of him/her, possibly
even listed in order of importance, it's then a walk in the park to
create sentences which include them, displayed up at the top of the
page. Sort of like creating an outline, then writing sentences to
meet that outline.
I guess I still feel that way, although it's not straightforward to
argue the point.
> You are comparing apples to oranges.
Well... yes, I didn't think you'd mind. Realtors and Goldfish and
Apples seemed to have a lot in common, when the article was written.
> If your site discussed all kinds of apples, what would be wrong with using
> "green apples, yellow apples, red apples, orange apples, blue apples, rotton
> apples, ...." ?
What's wrong? Spam, that's what's wrong. For example, there's very
little difference between the above quote and the following:
<meta name="keywords" content="green, yellow, red, orange, blue,
rotten, apples, apples, apples, apples, apples, apples">
... with the major difference being that the second method uses more
commas. This is spam. And this is not what alt.html should be about,
advising methods of spamming. On the other hand, it's not spamming to
make the top paragraph something like:
<p>
We sell green apples and yellow apples. The red apples get crushed up
for cider along with orange apples, and the rotten apples are thrown
away. Our employees eat the blue apples during their break time.
</p>
As far as the search engine is concerned, the indexer is then free to
create its own parsed key words:
green apples
yellow apples
red apples
cider
orange apples
rotten apples
blue apples
... and this is considered an accurate indexing of the web page, from
the point of view of the search engine owner, the developer/author,
and the surfer.
reference articles:
> Steve Grant <sgr...@iglou.com> wrote in message
> news:3845...@news.iglou.com...
> > In article <dBhEOKFePWJCD1HqBf=o7vXTuU=i...@4ax.com>,
> > m...@mjm.co.uk wrote:
> >
> > > however you would probably get
> > > away with
> > > green apples, yellow apples, red apples, orange apples, blue apples,
> > > rotton apples, ...." etc.
> >
> > Clue - reputable search engine owners get hacked off when Realtors
> > start turning up in searches for Goldfish. Since these owners are in
> > a position of doing something about it (banning your ISP, totally
> > ignoring META keywords), you might want to learn how to get your page
> > up to the top without using spam. Or meta.
I hate to blindly quote, but your mention of comparing apples to
oranges seems to make more sense now, after reading the above. Yes,
there are two subjects: spam and outright fraud. I suppose I was
confusing the two. They both result in misrepresentation of the URL,
leading to inaccurate indexing of the web.
I still advise against apples apples apples apples apples apples.
J Kirby Inwod
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sgr...@iglou.com (Steve Grant) hypothesizes:
>> In article <825oq0$32da$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>,
>> "Websketching" <cma...@websketching.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Mr. Grant,
>> > You have meta tags on your site.
>>
Johnnie ego
> In article <825oq0$32da$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>,
> "Websketching" <cma...@websketching.com> wrote:
> "keywords" are worthwhile only for providing a collection of words the
> author wants to emphasize. With these in front of him/her, possibly
> even listed in order of importance, it's then a walk in the park to
> create sentences which include them, displayed up at the top of the
> page. Sort of like creating an outline, then writing sentences to
> meet that outline.
A combination of good META keywords *and* descriptive content is advisable.
META tags do play a part, it's just not as definative as people think.
> > If your site discussed all kinds of apples, what would be wrong with
using
> > "green apples, yellow apples, red apples, orange apples, blue apples,
rotton
> > apples, ...." ?
>
> What's wrong? Spam, that's what's wrong. For example, there's very
> little difference between the above quote and the following:
>
> <meta name="keywords" content="green, yellow, red, orange, blue,
> rotten, apples, apples, apples, apples, apples, apples">
Nonsense. The use of key phrases within the META keywords is surprisingly
important (if you take "keywords" at face value at least). As a general
rule, a keyword used both on it's own and within phrases is fine so long as
that word is used no more than 5-6 times. As such, the former quote would be
superior with the removal of one phrase. The latter is certainly Spam as it
merely repeats a word without context.
Keywords (including phrases), a concise description, relevant content -
particularly at the top of the page - and a clear, descriptive TITLE combine
particularly well with regular (checking each sites rules on regularity, or
using a package such as adweb pro, is essential) submission.
John
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