Can't Get Rid of Horror
TCMtitsANDass
I saw House of 1000 Corpses and I liked it!
It was brutal. Refreshing to say the least.
I also believe that this genre is getting stronger.
Horror has always been popular and for a while there
it seemed Hollywood was trying to invent a wholesome
mockery of Horror.
The quantity and quality was scarce.
Jeepers Creepers, The Ring and House Of 1000 Corpses
are proof that Horror is moving back into
brutality, fear, insanity and good ol GORE!
Hollywood's right-wing greedy fucks are understanding that
scary gory movies generate a lot of revenue
and with the lack of classic original films lately that
keeping Horror brutal and busy is the
smartest choice.
Iggy
WideScreenPig
<art...@morgue.com> writ thusly:
What are you, FOUR?
--
WideScreenPig
"Naturally, the common people don't want war. But, after
all, it is the leaders of a country who determine policy,
and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along,
whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or
parliament or a communist dictatorship. All you have to
do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the
pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country
to danger. It works the same in every country."
-- Hermann Goering
Andrew
> Hollywood's right-wing greedy fucks are understanding that
> scary gory movies generate a lot of revenue
> and with the lack of classic original films lately that
> keeping Horror brutal and busy is the
> smartest choice.
I just checked my scorecard and I have marked down that
Hollywood is left-wing and Jewish. Did I miss something
while I was in the bathroom? Even with the scorecard it is
so difficult to keep track of who is running what.
Andrew
Mikey
Wow, welcome to the group. *Waves at alt.horror's newest troll*
--
"I get to go to lots of overseas places, like Canada."
- Britney Spears,
^TooL^
<snip>
No. No no no no no no...
The Ring is just another example of how hollywood can get away with BRUTALLY
RAPING a foreign classic.
Don't buy into their bullshit.
^TooL^
Christopher Adams
But it's a good film, Tool. Sure, it's not original, but so? Neither is the
James Mason "Julius Caesar".
--
Christopher Adams
SUTEKH Dysfunctions Officer 2003
Remove obvious spamblock to e-mail me.
What's the difference between you and a mallard with a cold?
One's a sick duck . . . I can't remember how it ends,
but your mother's a whore.
- Sean Connery, SNL Celebrity Jeopardy
Audience: WHEN is the winter of our discontent?
Richard: NOW is the winter of our discontent . . .
- "The Eyre Affair", Jasper Fforde
WideScreenPig
<j_ca...@SPAMSPAMSPAMhotmail.com> writ thusly:
Dude, you seriously need to relax about this whole RING remake. It's
not that bad.
I'd love to read a cogent, non-reactionary argument for why you
despise it this much.
Franklin Harris
"WideScreenPig" <ws...@rogerspamthis.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 5 May 2003 20:23:07 -0700, "TCMtitsANDass"
> <art...@morgue.com> writ thusly:
>
> >Can't Get Rid of Horror baby.
> >
> >I saw House of 1000 Corpses and I liked it!
> >It was brutal. Refreshing to say the least.
> >
> >I also believe that this genre is getting stronger.
> >Horror has always been popular and for a while there
> >it seemed Hollywood was trying to invent a wholesome
> >mockery of Horror.
> >The quantity and quality was scarce.
> >
> >Jeepers Creepers, The Ring and House Of 1000 Corpses
> >are proof that Horror is moving back into
> >brutality, fear, insanity and good ol GORE!
> >
> >
> >Hollywood's right-wing greedy fucks are understanding that
> >scary gory movies generate a lot of revenue
> >and with the lack of classic original films lately that
> >keeping Horror brutal and busy is the
> >smartest choice.
> >
> >Iggy
>
> What are you, FOUR?
3 1/2, I bet.
--
Franklin Harris
Pulp Culture Online, www.pulpculture.net
"The truly psychotic don't need to cop an attitude." -- Poppy Z. Brite,
alt.horror, 2/21/03
gareth young
> On Tue, 06 May 2003 07:31:48 GMT, "^TooL^"
> <j_ca...@SPAMSPAMSPAMhotmail.com> writ thusly:
>
> >> Jeepers Creepers, The Ring.....
> ><snip>
> >
> >No. No no no no no no...
> >The Ring is just another example of how hollywood can get away with
BRUTALLY
> >RAPING a foreign classic.
> >Don't buy into their bullshit.
>
> Dude, you seriously need to relax about this whole RING remake. It's
> not that bad.
>
> I'd love to read a cogent, non-reactionary argument for why you
> despise it this much.
someone on here probably expressed dislike for it and he though it was the
groups opinion and wanted to join in!
--
Gareth
quote of the day
'That's Rosemary! She's a friend of mine!'
Coyote
But he'd probably say three-going-on-four.
Mischa van Dinter
>Jeepers Creepers, The Ring and House Of 1000 Corpses
>are proof that Horror is moving back into
>brutality, fear, insanity and good ol GORE!
>
I refuse to acknowledge The Ring as something good that came from
hollywood, nor will I accept it as proof that hollywood horror is
getting better.
Mischa
^TooL^
>> <snip>
>>
>> No. No no no no no no...
>> The Ring is just another example of how hollywood can get away with
>> BRUTALLY RAPING a foreign classic.
>> Don't buy into their bullshit.
>
> Dude, you seriously need to relax about this whole RING remake. It's
> not that bad.
>
> I'd love to read a cogent, non-reactionary argument for why you
> despise it this much.
Well, i guess there really isn't one...
I just hate the whole principle really... All these Hollywood remakes shit
me... My biggest problem was how they replaced genuinely scary imagery with
embarrassingly stupid CGI (come on, the centipede?)... Also, the horse scene
(while very good, very suspenseful) was so badly linked into the film... I
still don't know what the hell it had to do with the rest of the movie...
I guess my biggest problem is that i don't want people to forget the
original film...
^TooL^
Posted at drunk level : 2
gareth young
"Mischa van Dinter" <Spamba...@xs4all.nl> wrote in message
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but who cares?
you watch a film, and it either entertains you,or it doesn't -who care's if
it's the first of it's type,or the 1000th?
unless the 1000th bores you,in which case it fails the entertainment factor.
James J. Dominguez
>>"WideScreenPig" <ws...@rogerspamthis.com> wrote:
>>> What are you, FOUR?
> Franklin Harris wrote:
>>3 1/2, I bet.
Coyote shared this:
> But he'd probably say three-going-on-four.
No, no, he's the type to say, "Four! ...in September."
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Mischa van Dinter
>> I refuse to acknowledge The Ring as something good that came from
>> hollywood, nor will I accept it as proof that hollywood horror is
>> getting better.
>
>but who cares?
>you watch a film, and it either entertains you,or it doesn't -who care's if
>it's the first of it's type,or the 1000th?
>unless the 1000th bores you,in which case it fails the entertainment factor.
I guess there is no good reason to deny this movie it's entertainment
value, apparently it does work for a lot of people. But I just don't
like unnececery remakes. This remake doesn't add anything to the
story. Maybe if the original movie was a bit older, then maybe we
could do with a re-interpretation. But in this case (and I know a lot
of people won't agree with me on this) it seems that this movie was
made so that some people could profit off of other people's work. It
just seems wrong somehow. I know it's just my opinion.
A friend recently complained about having missed The Ring in the
cinema. So I had her watch my DVD of Ring instead. I'm glad I got to
her first ;-)
Mischa
TCMtitsANDass
without acting like childish bullies.
Just because I'm not as dumb as you doesn't
give you the right to make fun of me.
Well, you do have the right BUT STILL...
Hate is entertaining I realize that but
there's no time and no place for it, just be cool yes?
You're supposed to enjoy movies, not bash
them just for the sake of looking intelligent
in front of your snotty shit-eating jerry falwell loving
cunt alien killers.
Ahem.
Oh I forgot, newsgroups are about hate.
Even when someone agrees with me they'll
lie and call me names because hate is a powerful
silly addiction.
Movie critics are useless.
That's my opinion.
Ig
I know, ' PLONK ' or whatever insecure crap you all
use in internet bungfuckland.
"TCMtitsANDass" <art...@morgue.com> wrote in message
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Eerie Rodent of Unusual Size & Typing Ability
narrow hallways? Are all hallways in Japanese homes this narrow? I was
expecting to be blown out of the water, but I wasn't, if only because I saw
"The Ring" 5 times already.
Joachim Løvf
art...@morgue.com says...
> in front of your snotty shit-eating jerry falwell loving
> cunt alien killers.
>
>
Who's Jerry Falwell?
--
"I had no idea what happiness and little love could bring
Or what life had in store
But all things move toward their end"
jlovf ( at ) online (dot) no
The Gore-met
> You can all live as fucking horror movie maniacs
> without acting like childish bullies.
> Just because I'm not as dumb as you doesn't
> give you the right to make fun of me.
> Well, you do have the right BUT STILL...
> Hate is entertaining I realize that but
> there's no time and no place for it, just be cool yes?
>
> You're supposed to enjoy movies, not bash
> them just for the sake of looking intelligent
> in front of your snotty shit-eating jerry falwell loving
> cunt alien killers.
> Ahem.
>
> Oh I forgot, newsgroups are about hate.
> Even when someone agrees with me they'll
> lie and call me names because hate is a powerful
> silly addiction.
> Movie critics are useless.
>
> That's my opinion.
>
> Ig
Who kicked the Timmy? Is this over that turd "House of 1,000 Corpses"?
> I know, ' PLONK ' or whatever insecure crap you all
> use in internet bungfuckland.
Oh! Oh! I love this one! You descended from Cool to grace us mere
mortals with your wisdom, but you have been spurned, so you are
returning to Cool to live again amongst the Gods. Whee!
Shiflet
>I know it's just my opinion.
Not just your opinion, heh. The remake, while well executed, served no
purpose that I can tell-it seemingly was only made to introduce people
to the story who would not watching a subtitled Asian movie.
> Mischa
Andrew
>>in front of your snotty shit-eating jerry falwell loving
>>cunt alien killers.
Joachim Løvf wrote:
> Who's Jerry Falwell?
He was the leader of the christian group The Moral Majority
that went around telling people what to think, what to watch
and what to believe in. Falwell is famous for taking on
Larry Flynt, John Lennon and stating that AIDS is a plague
from god to punish homosexuals.
Andrew
paulx
> On Tue, 06 May 2003 07:31:48 GMT, "^TooL^"
> <j_ca...@SPAMSPAMSPAMhotmail.com> writ thusly:
>
> >> Jeepers Creepers, The Ring.....
> ><snip>
> >
> >No. No no no no no no...
> >The Ring is just another example of how hollywood can get away with
BRUTALLY
> >RAPING a foreign classic.
> >Don't buy into their bullshit.
>
> Dude, you seriously need to relax about this whole RING remake. It's
> not that bad.
>
> I'd love to read a cogent, non-reactionary argument for why you
> despise it this much.
I quite despised it myself for a few reasons: (**SPOILERS**)
Although the beginning intrigued me, it slowly lost me as it went far too
long into the "investigation" of everything for me and committed one of the
worst sins a movie could do. It bored me.
If I was a mother, who with the knowledge of what I knew about this
particular effect watching this video would have, would I seriously,
carelessly leave a copy of this video around for my young son to watch? I
think not. At that point, I threw my hands up in the air and lost all hope
for it.
How can it be this "urband legend" the girls mention at the beginning of the
film since there's only one copy of the tape lying around? And the fact
that it's somewhere deep in this little shack in the woods among a slew of
other videotapes. And the fact that everyone dies seven days after seeing
it, they're not able to tell people about this "urban legend". (However
nitpicky this may be).
Great finale, w/the girl coming out and getting the boyfriend/father, but at
that point, I lost all interest and didn't really care. It was a case of
too little, too late.
It just sucked. Period. :)
I haven't seen the original one. If it's anything like the American
version, I really don't care to see it.
>
> --
>
> WideScreenPig
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^TooL^
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> No. No no no no no no...
>>> The Ring is just another example of how hollywood can get away with
>>> BRUTALLY RAPING a foreign classic.
>>> Don't buy into their bullshit.
>>
>> Dude, you seriously need to relax about this whole RING remake. It's
>> not that bad.
>>
>> I'd love to read a cogent, non-reactionary argument for why you
>> despise it this much.
>
> someone on here probably expressed dislike for it and he though it
> was the groups opinion and wanted to join in!
Ouch....
^TooL^
^TooL^
> without acting like childish bullies.
> Just because I'm not as dumb as you doesn't
> give you the right to make fun of me.
> Well, you do have the right BUT STILL...
> Hate is entertaining I realize that but
> there's no time and no place for it, just be cool yes?
>
> You're supposed to enjoy movies, not bash
> them just for the sake of looking intelligent
> in front of your snotty shit-eating jerry falwell loving
> cunt alien killers.
> Ahem.
>
> Oh I forgot, newsgroups are about hate.
> Even when someone agrees with me they'll
> lie and call me names because hate is a powerful
> silly addiction.
> Movie critics are useless.
>
> That's my opinion.
>
> Ig
>
> I know, ' PLONK ' or whatever insecure crap you all
> use in internet bungfuckland.
Oh, okay... Well, I was going to write you off as an 8-year old fuckwit, but
after that amazingly mature and thought-provoking post... Can i be your
friend?
^TooL^
^TooL^
>
> I haven't seen the original one. If it's anything like the American
> version, I really don't care to see it.
SEE!
SEE! EVERYBODY!
This is my point. People will see the very ordinary American shite, and will
get the attitude that poor paulx has got.
See the Japanese original. It is a really good film. Remake = baaaaad.
^TooL^
Christopher Adams
>> version, I really don't care to see it.
>
> SEE!
> SEE! EVERYBODY!
> This is my point. People will see the very ordinary American shite, and
> will get the attitude that poor paulx has got.
> See the Japanese original. It is a really good film. Remake = baaaaad.
To be fair, mang, many of the problems he mentioned in the American version are
present in the Japanese version, including leaving the tape lying around and the
implausible "urban legend".
--
Christopher Adams
SUTEKH Dysfunctions Officer 2003
Remove obvious spamblock to e-mail me.
I just would like to make it absolutely clear that both Jean-Luc Picard and
Professor Charles Xavier could KICK CAPTAIN KIRK'S BUTT.
- Patrick Stewart
Trever Talbert
value, apparently it does work for a lot of people. But I just don't
like unnececery remakes. This remake doesn't add anything to the
story. Maybe if the original movie was a bit older, then maybe we
could do with a re-interpretation. But in this case (and I know a lot
of people won't agree with me on this) it seems that this movie was
made so that some people could profit off of other people's work. It
just seems wrong somehow. I know it's just my opinion."
This phenomenon of instant remakes of foreign films is weird and somewhat
creepy to me - the idea has become so firmly entrenched that US audiences
absolutely will not watch any movie unless it has recognizable stars and is
in English and conforms to the Hollywood expectations in terms of
presentation. My wife and I recently had the chance to watch "Les
Visiteurs" and "Just Visiting" back to back (I know, comedy not horror, but
the point/problem is the same) and it was really strange to see the glaring
cultural "blanderizing" of the original film. For one simple example, the
heroes are medieval characters thrown forward in time - in the original,
they have rotted green teeth (because they are medieval, after all) and in
the Hollywood remake they have perfect teeth (because audiences would go
"yuck" if presented with heroes with bad teeth). It's a tiny and silly
example but it sums up what makes these remakes annoying to me - the idea
that simply accepting another culture's media and enjoying it for what it
is, is not OK... movies of other cultures must be remade completely to
conform to US standards. It's not a case of remaking old, possibly classic
movies with modern SPFX or anything(controversial enough in its own right);
it's simply taking a recently made foreign film and running it through the
dialectizer to score easy profits with US audiences who ought to instead
realize that there *are* movies made in the world outside of Hollywood. Ah
well, rant over.... BTW, this is my first-ever post to alt.horror, despite
lurking for some time.
TT
Andrew
> BTW, this is my first-ever post to alt.horror, despite
> lurking for some time.
Welcome aboard! I will buy you a beer next time I see you
in the alt.horror.lounge.
Andrew
Mischa van Dinter
<tal...@mx1.pair.com> wrote:
>This phenomenon of instant remakes of foreign films is weird and somewhat
>creepy to me - the idea has become so firmly entrenched that US audiences
>absolutely will not watch any movie unless it has recognizable stars and is
>in English and conforms to the Hollywood expectations in terms of
>presentation.
<snipped very good example>
Well put. I called it "dumbing down" a movie just to get the (mostly)
American public interested. Seems harsh but it's true. maybe not in
this or other movie-NGs but in general it is true. How many people who
do not read about movies on the internet even KNOW that the Ring was a
remake? The general public doesn't want foreign movies, so the studios
dont release them. However, they have no problems presenting something
as (more or less) their own work. People are really missing out and
what is worse, they seem to WANT to miss out.
The saddest argument I can think of to show that this is true is this:
On movie sites and in movie stores, "foreign" is considered a genre.
MIscha
Dr Walpurgis
> You can all live as fucking horror movie maniacs
> without acting like childish bullies.
> Just because I'm not as dumb as you doesn't
> give you the right to make fun of me.
> Well, you do have the right BUT STILL...
> Hate is entertaining I realize that but
> there's no time and no place for it, just be cool yes?
>
> You're supposed to enjoy movies, not bash
> them just for the sake of looking intelligent
> in front of your snotty shit-eating jerry falwell loving
> cunt alien killers.
> Ahem.
>
> Oh I forgot, newsgroups are about hate.
> Even when someone agrees with me they'll
> lie and call me names because hate is a powerful
> silly addiction.
> Movie critics are useless.
>
> That's my opinion.
Craziest damn poem I ever read.
--
"Right! Bring in the perverts!" - Ispettore Morosini (Enrico Salerno)
L'UCCELLO DALLE PIUME DI CRISTALLO
Dr Walpurgis
You share your initials with Terry-Thomas. I'm green with envy.
(PS: Welcome. Post more.)
The Gore-met
>BTW, this is my first-ever post to alt.horror, despite
>lurking for some time.
And a well-reasoned, well-argued post it was. Bravo!
--
"If you beat them they won't dance for you".
The Gore-met
>The general public doesn't want foreign movies, so the studios
>dont release them.
Actually, they often do. They just dub them and pan-and-scan before
they put them out on home video.
cultcuts magazine
> Actually, they often do. They just dub them and pan-and-scan before
> they put them out on home video.
AAARGH! I'm closing my ears..."LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA" I can't hear
this! I can't stand what they do to these films. It's no wonder that
Toho won't let their movies be released over here properly. They know
we'll just fuck them up.
Mark
Cultcuts Magazine
http://www.cultcuts.net
Pre-Order Issue #3 Now
JUNK DVD Giveaway!
Mischa van Dinter
wrote:
>Mischa van Dinter wrote:
>
>>The general public doesn't want foreign movies, so the studios
>>dont release them.
>
>Actually, they often do. They just dub them and pan-and-scan before
>they put them out on home video.
Yeah, somebody should tell them to not bother... Releasing movies with
the original aspect ratio and original language must be cheaper,
right? ;-)
Mischa
James J. Dominguez
Wait a minute... something's wrong here...
Andrew wrote:
> Welcome aboard! I will buy you a beer next time I see
> you in the alt.horror.lounge.
and...
Mischa wrote:
> <snipped very good example>
> Well put.
and...
The Gore-met wrote:
> And a well-reasoned, well-argued post it was. Bravo!
and...
Dr Walpurgis wrote:
> You share your initials with Terry-Thomas. I'm green with envy.
> (PS: Welcome. Post more.)
Damn you, alt.horror clique! This is yet another hapless newbie
you have driven away with your terrible attitudes!
James J. Dominguez
Dr Walpurgis shared this:
> Craziest damn poem I ever read.
Fuck, that made me laugh. :)
I am drinking hot tea at the moment. Lucky I didn't have a
mouthful when I read that or I would have choked and made a terrible
mess.
Shiflet
^TooL^ <j_ca...@SPAMSPAMSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
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> SEE!
> SEE! EVERYBODY!
> This is my point. People will see the very ordinary American shite,
and will
> get the attitude that poor paulx has got.
> See the Japanese original. It is a really good film. Remake =
baaaaad.
Tool? Try reading what he wrote next time? Pretty much all his
complaints about the US version are things that are ALSO PRESENT IN
THE ORIGINAL. The heroine carelessly leaving the lethal tape out where
her kid could find it? Check. The "urban legend" being started from 1
single unmarked tape in a hotel video library in the middle of friggin
nowhere, which would have killed anyone who saw it? Check. Long
investigation? Check.
> ^TooL^
>
>
Brandi Weed
j_ca...@SPAMSPAMSPAMhotmail.com says...
> This is my point. People will see the very ordinary American shite, and will
> get the attitude that poor paulx has got.
> See the Japanese original. It is a really good film. Remake = baaaaad.
You still haven't given a good explanation for why the American one is so
much worse. I know I'm not the only one here who'd like to hear your
explanation.
--
brandiweed at lanset dot com
gareth young
"^TooL^" <j_ca...@SPAMSPAMSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > someone on here probably expressed dislike for it and he though it
> > was the groups opinion and wanted to join in!
>
> Ouch....
>
fnarr!
i jest because i love....no!.....not in that way!.....keep away from
me....arrrrrgggghhhhh!
--
Gareth
quote of the day
'That's Rosemary! She's a friend of mine!'
gareth young
"Trever Talbert" <tal...@mx1.pair.com> wrote in message
news:b9ati1$hdd0f$1...@ID-130341.news.dfncis.de...
> This phenomenon of instant remakes of foreign films is weird and somewhat
> creepy to me - the idea has become so firmly entrenched that US audiences
> absolutely will not watch any movie unless it has recognizable stars and
is
> in English and conforms to the Hollywood expectations in terms of
> presentation.
but lets be honest -for many people,that's true.
while a lot of us are more than happy to seek out films from around the
world,the majority don't.
they want people they can identify with -i.e english speaking americans.
if the ring had not been remade,would the original have played to US
audiences taking millions at the box office? -no.
gareth young
"The Gore-met" <gore...@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:7veibv0igauksagmt...@4ax.com...
> Mischa van Dinter wrote:
>
> >The general public doesn't want foreign movies, so the studios
> >dont release them.
>
> Actually, they often do. They just dub them and pan-and-scan before
> they put them out on home video.
that's what they did with italian cinema -and many people probably fell for
it.
difference is,you can dub a japanese film all you like,and change the names
on the credits to americanised ones,but nobody is going to fall for it like
they did back then.
WideScreenPig
>BTW, this is my first-ever post to alt.horror, despite
>lurking for some time.
>TT
Glad to have you aboard. Come on in, and don't mind the cobwebs in the
cellar, the trolls in the basement, or the handful of nutters running
to-and-fro.
--
WideScreenPig
"Naturally, the common people don't want war. But, after
all, it is the leaders of a country who determine policy,
and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along,
whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or
parliament or a communist dictatorship. All you have to
do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the
pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country
to danger. It works the same in every country."
-- Hermann Goering
WideScreenPig
<mcd...@optusnet.comNO.auSPAM> writ thusly:
>Lucky I didn't have a
>mouthful when I read that or I would have choked and made a terrible
>mess.
OOH MATRON!!
Homer
<ws...@rogerspamthis.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 7 May 2003 14:18:06 +0200, "Trever Talbert"
><tal...@mx1.pair.com> writ thusly:
>
>>BTW, this is my first-ever post to alt.horror, despite
>>lurking for some time.
>>TT
>
>Glad to have you aboard. Come on in, and don't mind the cobwebs in the
>cellar, the trolls in the basement, or the handful of nutters running
>to-and-fro.
"Cobwebs In the Cellar, Trolls in the Basement", the touching
alt.horror love theme.
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WideScreenPig
thusly:
>On Wed, 07 May 2003 22:43:09 GMT, WideScreenPig
><ws...@rogerspamthis.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 7 May 2003 14:18:06 +0200, "Trever Talbert"
>><tal...@mx1.pair.com> writ thusly:
>>
>>>BTW, this is my first-ever post to alt.horror, despite
>>>lurking for some time.
>>>TT
>>
>>Glad to have you aboard. Come on in, and don't mind the cobwebs in the
>>cellar, the trolls in the basement, or the handful of nutters running
>>to-and-fro.
>
>"Cobwebs In the Cellar, Trolls in the Basement", the touching
>alt.horror love theme.
It was cool until Lenny Kravitz covered it.
^TooL^
>> SEE! EVERYBODY!
>> This is my point. People will see the very ordinary American shite,
>> and will get the attitude that poor paulx has got.
>> See the Japanese original. It is a really good film. Remake =
>> baaaaad.
>
> Tool? Try reading what he wrote next time? Pretty much all his
> complaints about the US version are things that are ALSO PRESENT IN
> THE ORIGINAL. The heroine carelessly leaving the lethal tape out where
> her kid could find it? Check. The "urban legend" being started from 1
> single unmarked tape in a hotel video library in the middle of friggin
> nowhere, which would have killed anyone who saw it? Check. Long
> investigation? Check.
But.... but.... but....
It's.... the....
No....
Guh....
Alright, fine... I dislike the remake due to it's stupid cgi centipede, it's
typical hollywood over-explanation and the fact that it's entirely
unnessecary. Why couldn't they just give the original Ring a worldwide
theatrical release?
^TooL^
Eerie Rodent of Unusual Size & Typing Ability
"^TooL^" <j_ca...@SPAMSPAMSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
at least in part to some cultural differences...
e.g.,
-the heroine is always smiling,
-the father is barely a character at all (plus he has ESP, which no one bats
an eye at)
-the characters buy into the whole "it's cursed" thing with an surprising
ease for the industrial age
-those narrow hallways--those homes are like submarines.
>
>
James J. Dominguez
Brandi Weed shared this:
> You still haven't given a good explanation for why the American
> one is so much worse. I know I'm not the only one here who'd like
> to hear your explanation.
YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!
Shiflet
^TooL^ <j_ca...@SPAMSPAMSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
> But.... but.... but....
> It's.... the....
> No....
> Guh....
> Alright, fine... I dislike the remake due to it's stupid cgi
centipede,
Yes, CGI sucks. But it's 1 friggin thing.
> it's typical hollywood over-explanation
Over explanation? It was more convuluted, IMO...my parents(including
my dad, who is a hardcore horror fan, we're talkin Universal classics,
Hammer, Fulci, Argento, 50's monster movies, and everything in
between) thought it wasn't explained ENOUGH.
> and the fact that it's entirely
> unnessecary. Why couldn't they just give the original Ring a
worldwide
> theatrical release?
This I agree. My only complaint with the movie is that it's pointless.
> ^TooL^
>
>
Ulrich Schreitmueller
>Frankly, I thought the movie would not have played well in the U.S., owing
>at least in part to some cultural differences...
>e.g.,
>-the heroine is always smiling,
>
Either you didn't see Ringu, or you have poor memory. Asakawa looks
pretty sulky and troubled most of the time. Now, as for casting a blonde
bimbo-like creature in her stead...
Brandi Weed
j_ca...@SPAMSPAMSPAMhotmail.com says...
> Alright, fine... I dislike the remake due to it's stupid cgi centipede, it's
> typical hollywood over-explanation and the fact that it's entirely
> unnessecary. Why couldn't they just give the original Ring a worldwide
> theatrical release?
I'll agree with you on the last part-- didn't Crouching Tiger, Hidden
Dragon show that Americans are not uniformly scared of subtitles and
Asian leads?-- but I'm surprised at your comment about it explaning too
much. I thought Ringu actually went more into explanations, giving as it
did a relatively detailed history of who Sadako was and how she came to
be and have powers. If anything, I thought the American film was more
circumspect about Samara.
One thing I did find unusual about Ringu was that it seemed to be more
matter-of-fact about psychic phenomenon; nobody seemed overly surprised
to find out it was real and it didn't seem to be at all surprising that
the lead's ex-husband had such talents himself. I'm not sure if I
preferred the American approach, but it was a marked difference in the
two films.
The centipede I didn't mind, though I was *very* tempted to mutter 'The
Tingler is loose in the theatre! Scream! Scream for your lives!'
Looking back, though, I will say that one thing the American film was a
bit silly about was the condition of the bodies. I suppose the director
thought it would be cool if they looked sort of like drowned corpses
themselves, but if bodies were showing that amount of decay in the short
time of death established, I'd expect WHO and Hazmat teams to be out in
full force...
Lord Retsudo
I think you're being a little hard on Naomi Watts there - she acquits
herself well in the film and she's marvellous in MULHOLLAND DRIVE. I
certainly wouldn't describe her as 'bimbo-like'.
Tom
James J. Dominguez
Lord Retsudo shared this:
> I think you're being a little hard on Naomi Watts there - she
> acquits herself well in the film and she's marvellous in
> MULHOLLAND DRIVE. I certainly wouldn't describe her as
> 'bimbo-like'.
I really like Naomi Watts. Far from being yet another product
from Australia's notorious soapie production line, she did the hard
work in amateur and semi-professional theatre, serious television
drama, and indy cinema. She worked very hard to get where she is
today, and is a fine actress. If she chooses her projects carefully,
she could be the next Toni Collette, another excellent actress I am
very proud to recognise as an Australian.
Eerie Rodent of Unusual Size & Typing Ability
"Brandi Weed" <bra...@see.my.sig> wrote in message
news:MPG.1924045bf...@nntp.lanset.com...
> In article <IKlua.5506$_o4.7...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
> j_ca...@SPAMSPAMSPAMhotmail.com says...
> circumspect about Samara.
>
> One thing I did find unusual about Ringu was that it seemed to be more
> matter-of-fact about psychic phenomenon;
Very un-American, IMO, perhaps a cursed videotape is just an easier idea for
Japan, with all that animistic-Shinto-whatnot;
>nobody seemed overly surprised
> to find out it was real and it didn't seem to be at all surprising that
> the lead's ex-husband had such talents himself.
Both aspects of the film struck me as downright comical...'Yep, I'm burdened
with psychic powers & now I've got a cursed video...oy vey, this is gonna'
be a heck of a week.'
>I'm not sure if I
> preferred the American approach, but it was a marked difference in the
> two films.
>
I agree.
> The centipede I didn't mind, though I was *very* tempted to mutter 'The
> Tingler is loose in the theatre! Scream! Scream for your lives!'
>
> Looking back, though, I will say that one thing the American film was a
> bit silly about was the condition of the bodies. I suppose the director
> thought it would be cool if they looked sort of like drowned corpses
> themselves, but if bodies were showing that amount of decay in the short
> time of death established, I'd expect WHO and Hazmat teams to be out in
> full force...
>
That's why it was horrible?
Eerie Rodent of Unusual Size & Typing Ability
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smiling at times that seemed weird to me, for example, just a few minutes
prior to the funeral she's smiling and bowing to co-workers, then smiling
and looking quite happy while talkiing to her son...
Overall I fail to see how Ringu worked better on *any* level more than Ring.
It certainly did not "blow me through the back wall of the theater".
Ulrich Schreitmueller
Maybe it's because I suspect that one reason a blonde was cast instead
of the original brunette (blackette?) was to point out to the audience
"Look! This is the heroine!"... I could be wrong, of course.
Also, just because she was marvellous in another film doesn't mean she
has to be good in every one. I mean, Natalie Portman was wonderful in
Leon, but she acted like a piece of wood in the two Star Wars prequels.
Uli
Ulrich Schreitmueller
>To be a little more precise, for what it's worth (i.e. nothing), she's
>smiling at times that seemed weird to me, for example, just a few minutes
>prior to the funeral she's smiling and bowing to co-workers, then smiling
>and looking quite happy while talkiing to her son...
>
But that's a cultural thing, isn't it?
Uli
hel-REYzah
(re. "The Ring")
>I guess my biggest problem is that i don't want people to forget the
>original film...
I doubt that anyone who loved the original will cease to remember it just becoz
they may have seen the re-make.
I haven't seen it, but if I do get around to watching it eventually, it won't
alter my fondness for the original.
I watched the Korean version recently, "Ring Virus", and I actually slightly
prefered it to "Ring". I felt there was more depth to the Sadako character,
though her name was Eun Soh or something similar, I'm afraid I don't think
I've remembered it correctly. Anyhow, I feel it's a shame that this version is
not more well-known.
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James J. Dominguez
> Eerie Rodent of Unusual Size & Typing Ability wrote:
>>To be a little more precise, for what it's worth (i.e. nothing),
>>she's smiling at times that seemed weird to me, for example, just
>>a few minutes prior to the funeral she's smiling and bowing to
>>co-workers, then smiling and looking quite happy while talkiing to
>>her son...
Ulrich Schreitmueller shared this:
> But that's a cultural thing, isn't it?
Precisely. Japanese culture heavily stresses keeping face, and
abiding by tradition. If you are greeting somebody, you smile,
regardless of the occasion.
Personally, I thought this illustrated the lead actress's
abilities very well - she's smiling in greeting, but the grief and
confusion are stil detectable under the surface. Brilliant acting.
Dr Walpurgis
> > > Frankly, I thought the movie would not have played well in the U.S.,
> > > owing at least in part to some cultural differences...e.g., the
> > > heroine is always smiling,
> >
> > Either you didn't see Ringu, or you have poor memory. Asakawa looks
> > pretty sulky and troubled most of the time. Now, as for casting a
> > blonde bimbo-like creature in her stead...
>
> I think you're being a little hard on Naomi Watts there - she acquits
> herself well in the film and she's marvellous in MULHOLLAND DRIVE. I
> certainly wouldn't describe her as 'bimbo-like'.
And she looks great in that gratuitous bra-and-panties scene. Man, talk
about your MILFs!
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WideScreenPig
writ thusly:
>
>^TooL^ <j_ca...@SPAMSPAMSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:IKlua.5506$_o4....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> But.... but.... but....
>> It's.... the....
>> No....
>> Guh....
>> Alright, fine... I dislike the remake due to it's stupid cgi
>centipede,
>
>Yes, CGI sucks. But it's 1 friggin thing.
>
>> it's typical hollywood over-explanation
>
>Over explanation? It was more convuluted, IMO...my parents(including
>my dad, who is a hardcore horror fan, we're talkin Universal classics,
>Hammer, Fulci, Argento, 50's monster movies, and everything in
>between) thought it wasn't explained ENOUGH.
My impression was that the remake felt the need to spell out things
that didn't need spelling out, thus de-fusing the supernatural
mystery, and then needlessly obscured things that were perfectly clear
in the original.
Gregory Johnston
but after seeing all the discussions here regarding and Ringu, I went
ahead and bought both. I watched Ringu first, and later The Ring.
Ringu, for me, is a genuinely creepy horror film. I think it is one of
the defining films in horror, and, in my very humble opinion, defines
horror ( my personal definition of horror ) for me. The Ring was
better than I expected, but I didn't feel it necessary for having
everything explained to me in the film. I got my wife to watch both
films at a later time. She found The Ring very creepy, but had trouble
following Ringu because of the subtitles. She thinks it should have been
dubbed into English < sigh > .
cailinsdad
>"I guess there is no good reason to deny this movie it's entertainment
>value, apparently it does work for a lot of people. But I just don't
>like unnececery remakes. This remake doesn't add anything to the
>story. Maybe if the original movie was a bit older, then maybe we
>could do with a re-interpretation. But in this case (and I know a lot
>of people won't agree with me on this) it seems that this movie was
>made so that some people could profit off of other people's work. It
>just seems wrong somehow. I know it's just my opinion."
>
>This phenomenon of instant remakes of foreign films is weird and somewhat
>creepy to me - the idea has become so firmly entrenched that US audiences
>absolutely will not watch any movie unless it has recognizable stars and is
>in English and conforms to the Hollywood expectations in terms of
>presentation. My wife and I recently had the chance to watch "Les
>Visiteurs" and "Just Visiting" back to back (I know, comedy not horror, but
>the point/problem is the same) and it was really strange to see the glaring
>cultural "blanderizing" of the original film. For one simple example, the
>heroes are medieval characters thrown forward in time - in the original,
>they have rotted green teeth (because they are medieval, after all) and in
>the Hollywood remake they have perfect teeth (because audiences would go
>"yuck" if presented with heroes with bad teeth). It's a tiny and silly
>example but it sums up what makes these remakes annoying to me - the idea
>that simply accepting another culture's media and enjoying it for what it
>is, is not OK... movies of other cultures must be remade completely to
>conform to US standards. It's not a case of remaking old, possibly classic
>movies with modern SPFX or anything(controversial enough in its own right);
>it's simply taking a recently made foreign film and running it through the
>dialectizer to score easy profits with US audiences who ought to instead
>realize that there *are* movies made in the world outside of Hollywood. Ah
>well, rant over.... BTW, this is my first-ever post to alt.horror, despite
>lurking for some time.
>TT
Vanilla Sky, Insomnia, and even going back to remaking Seven Samurai
as a western. Hollywood is very successful with these remakes and
most movie go'ers are lazy about foreign films (sub titles, cultural
differences, etc...). For my part, it's hard to blame Hollywood for
capitalizing on a formula that works. That's how Hollywood was built!
It is what it is.
btw: I applaud Dreamworks for at least making Ringu available in
Region 1 and not forcing us to bootleggers like we have to endure for
Battle Royale, Suicide Circle, etc...
I also applaud companies such as Unearthed Films (Junk), Media
Blasters (Versus, VisitorQ), etc... for helping to bring these movies
to store shelves. I do not want to buy my copy of Battle Royale from
a bootlegger on e-bay, but I have no choice.
Bombsquad
Ulrich Schreitmueller wrote:
> Lord Retsudo wrote:
>
> >Ulrich Schreitmueller wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Eerie Rodent of Unusual Size & Typing Ability wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Frankly, I thought the movie would not have played well in the U.S.,
> >>>owing at least in part to some cultural differences...
> >>>e.g.,
> >>>-the heroine is always smiling,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Either you didn't see Ringu, or you have poor memory. Asakawa looks
> >>pretty sulky and troubled most of the time. Now, as for casting a
> >>blonde bimbo-like creature in her stead...
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I think you're being a little hard on Naomi Watts there - she acquits
> >herself well in the film and she's marvellous in MULHOLLAND DRIVE.
> >
>
> Maybe it's because I suspect that one reason a blonde was cast instead
> of the original brunette (blackette?) was to point out to the audience
> "Look! This is the heroine!"... I could be wrong, of course.
Also, it could have something to do with her not being JAPANESE.
Heh heh heh
Bombsquad
cailinsdad
<drwal...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>Craziest damn poem I ever read.
It's Haiku.
Eerie Rodent of Unusual Size & Typing Ability
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Franklin Harris
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Damn straight. Her performance in "Mulholland Drive" was one of the best
things to come out of American cinema that year.
--
Franklin Harris
Pulp Culture Online, www.pulpculture.net
"The truly psychotic don't need to cop an attitude." -- Poppy Z. Brite,
alt.horror, 2/21/03
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"Ulrich Schreitmueller" <ulrich.sch...@student.uni-tuebingen.de>
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> Also, just because she was marvellous in another film doesn't mean she
> has to be good in every one. I mean, Natalie Portman was wonderful in
> Leon, but she acted like a piece of wood in the two Star Wars prequels.
Everyone seems like a bad actor when reading George Lucas-penned lines.
Hell, Chris Lee can barely pull it off!
Franklin Harris
"Dr Walpurgis" <drwal...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Lord Retsudo wrote:
>
> > > > Frankly, I thought the movie would not have played well in the U.S.,
> > > > owing at least in part to some cultural differences...e.g., the
> > > > heroine is always smiling,
> > >
> > > Either you didn't see Ringu, or you have poor memory. Asakawa looks
> > > pretty sulky and troubled most of the time. Now, as for casting a
> > > blonde bimbo-like creature in her stead...
> >
> > I think you're being a little hard on Naomi Watts there - she acquits
> > herself well in the film and she's marvellous in MULHOLLAND DRIVE. I
> > certainly wouldn't describe her as 'bimbo-like'.
>
> And she looks great in that gratuitous bra-and-panties scene. Man, talk
> about your MILFs!
The problem is, when you get to be my age, MILFs are just women with
horrible, beastly appendages clinging to them, screaming something about
Yu-Gi-Oh cards.
Andrew
> I also applaud companies such as Unearthed Films (Junk), Media
> Blasters (Versus, VisitorQ), etc... for helping to bring these movies
> to store shelves. I do not want to buy my copy of Battle Royale from
> a bootlegger on e-bay, but I have no choice.
Battle Royale is readily available in U.K. and H.K.
releases; there is no reason to buy from a bootlegger.
Andrew
Ulrich Schreitmueller
>"Ulrich Schreitmueller" <ulrich.sch...@student.uni-tuebingen.de>
>wrote in message news:b9e04u$3kg$1...@newsserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de...
>
>
>
>>Also, just because she was marvellous in another film doesn't mean she
>>has to be good in every one. I mean, Natalie Portman was wonderful in
>>Leon, but she acted like a piece of wood in the two Star Wars prequels.
>>
>>
>
>Everyone seems like a bad actor when reading George Lucas-penned lines.
>Hell, Chris Lee can barely pull it off!
>
>
Indeed. "It is obvious that this conflict cannot be settled by our
knowledge of the Force, but by our skill with the lightsaber." - "I will
defeat your crouching tiger style with the fury of my mighty dancing
crane style." Spot the difference.
The embarrassing thing is that Lucas himself makes fun of it now, rather
than doing something about it. Somewhere on the Episode 1 extras he
talks to McGregor or Portman, I can't remember who, and says something
along the lines of "I usually manage 'faster' and 'more intense',
that's about the extent of my directing ability."
Uli
WideScreenPig
<ulrich.sch...@student.uni-tuebingen.de> writ thusly:
He's speaking to his first assistant director in the bit you're
talking about, making reference to his infamous unworkable note to
Harrison Ford on the original film.
Homer
<drwal...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>Lord Retsudo wrote:
>
>> > > Frankly, I thought the movie would not have played well in the U.S.,
>> > > owing at least in part to some cultural differences...e.g., the
>> > > heroine is always smiling,
>> >
>> > Either you didn't see Ringu, or you have poor memory. Asakawa looks
>> > pretty sulky and troubled most of the time. Now, as for casting a
>> > blonde bimbo-like creature in her stead...
>>
>> I think you're being a little hard on Naomi Watts there - she acquits
>> herself well in the film and she's marvellous in MULHOLLAND DRIVE. I
>> certainly wouldn't describe her as 'bimbo-like'.
>
>And she looks great in that gratuitous bra-and-panties scene. Man, talk
>about your MILFs!
Jesus, Doc, how old are you again? She's more like a Little Sister
than a Mother.
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> Battle Royale is readily available in U.K. and H.K. releases; there is
> no reason to buy from a bootlegger.
Got my dvd right on the shelf. Gotta love those multi-regional players.
Mark
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WideScreenPig shared this:
> He's speaking to his first assistant director in the bit you're
> talking about, making reference to his infamous unworkable note to
> Harrison Ford on the original film.
What was his note to Ford? A bit of SW folklore I missed.
Gene Gregorits
>Got my dvd right on the shelf. Gotta love those multi-regional players.
>Mark
Got my pristine ten dollar dub right on the shelf. Gotta love those
multi-regional pirates.
Gene
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WideScreenPig
<mcd...@optusnet.comNO.auSPAM> writ thusly:
>
>WideScreenPig shared this:
>> He's speaking to his first assistant director in the bit you're
>> talking about, making reference to his infamous unworkable note to
>> Harrison Ford on the original film.
>
> What was his note to Ford? A bit of SW folklore I missed.
He told him "Faster and more intense." This was apparently his
primary piece of direction to all actors, but Ford was reportedly the
most chagrined by it.
Dr Walpurgis
> > > > > Frankly, I thought the movie would not have played well in the
> > > > > U.
> > > > > S., owing at least in part to some cultural differences...e.g.,
> > > > > the heroine is always smiling,
> > > >
> > > > Either you didn't see Ringu, or you have poor memory. Asakawa
> > > > looks pretty sulky and troubled most of the time. Now, as for
> > > > casting a blonde bimbo-like creature in her stead...
> > >
> > > I think you're being a little hard on Naomi Watts there - she
> > > acquits herself well in the film and she's marvellous in
> > > MULHOLLAND
> > > DRIVE. I certainly wouldn't describe her as 'bimbo-like'.
> >
> > And she looks great in that gratuitous bra-and-panties scene. Man,
> > talk about your MILFs!
>
> Jesus, Doc, how old are you again? She's more like a Little Sister
> than a Mother.
Well, she's a mother in the story, man.
gareth young
"cultcuts magazine" <cult...@icehouse.net> wrote in message
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> Andrew wrote:
>
> > Battle Royale is readily available in U.K. and H.K. releases; there is
> > no reason to buy from a bootlegger.
>
> Got my dvd right on the shelf. Gotta love those multi-regional players.
there's a region free NTSC release in the uk so you don't even need that.
if you are multi region though,this is the ultimate subtitled release.
http://www3.cd-wow.com/detail_results_2.php?product_code=4098
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quote of the day
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cailinsdad
wrote:
Sadly, I can only play Region 1 and 0 discs.
Isn't circumventing region codes just another form of bootlegging?
gareth young
"cailinsdad" <caili...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Sadly, I can only play Region 1 and 0 discs.
>
> Isn't circumventing region codes just another form of bootlegging?
>
>
the makers get some cash -that's what matters.
remember -there's a region 0 NTSC battle royale out in the UK so you're
sorted.
cailinsdad
<alan.l...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>the makers get some cash -that's what matters.
>remember -there's a region 0 NTSC battle royale out in the UK so you're
>sorted.
Honestly it's the same version I purchased off of e-bay. The guy I
purchase asian films from on e-bay never sells DVDR's. They are
Region 0 NTSC imports.
That said, they are still harder than they should be to come by and
nobody in the U.S. can buy a legit DVD of Battle Royale like what will
be available for Junk, Versus, and the like. I guess that is my
point. Why should I have to buy an import and spend a fortune on
shipping? I want to order from Amazon or walk into my local video
store.
The Gore-met
>That said, they are still harder than they should be to come by and
>nobody in the U.S. can buy a legit DVD of Battle Royale like what will
>be available for Junk, Versus, and the like. I guess that is my
>point. Why should I have to buy an import and spend a fortune on
>shipping? I want to order from Amazon or walk into my local video
>store.
The rightsholders for "Battle Royale" wanted an astronomical sum to
license it for R1. Nobody was willing to pick it up.
--
"If you beat them they won't dance for you".
Andrew
> That said, they are still harder than they should be to come by and
> nobody in the U.S. can buy a legit DVD of Battle Royale like what will
> be available for Junk, Versus, and the like. I guess that is my
> point. Why should I have to buy an import and spend a fortune on
> shipping? I want to order from Amazon or walk into my local video
> store.
Rumour has it that the owners of Battle Royale are asking
too much money for the N. American distribution rights.
Battle Royale is under $6 from DDDHouse. Order a few titles
and save on shipping.
I have ordered numerous times from both the U.S. Amazon and
the U.K. Amazon. The U.K. Amazon has far better shipping
times and overall shipping has been less than it is for
their American counterparts. If an order is taking too long
to ship, Amazon U.K. has sent out my order piecemeal without
charging me for extra shipping.
Andrew
Andrew
> Isn't circumventing region codes just another form of bootlegging?
How is it bootlegging? The rightful owners of the films I
am purchasing are getting their money.
Andrew
Andrew
> Battle Royale is under $6 from DDDHouse. Order a few titles and save on
> shipping.
I should have pointed out that this release is Region 3.
Although it is another good reason to pick up a multi-region
player.
Andrew
cailinsdad
wrote:
I can't argue with that and I agree with you on a moral level.
I don't claim to understand the idea behind region coding to begin
with. But from what I've read region coding is subject to the same
types of copyright laws as piracy. As such, you have companies like
WB creating disks that will not work on players that do not make
known, for lack of a better term, it's region status.
John W. Donaldson
> with.
Releasing companies buy the rights to sell a particular title in a
defined area. The global version of "States Rights" distribution.
>But from what I've read region coding is subject to the same
> types of copyright laws as piracy.
Copyright has to do with ownership, not licensing. You can copyright
a version but many copyright laws (depending on the country)are
international and have nothing to do with the region code ... that's
licensing. Region 1 licenses have the right to sell a particular
title in region 1, but not other regions.
>As such, you have companies like
> WB creating disks that will not work on players that do not make
> known, for lack of a better term, it's region status.
To prevent piracy so the Chinese don't create thousands of illegal
digital copies.
James J. Dominguez
Andrew shared this:
> I have ordered numerous times from both the U.S. Amazon and
> the U.K. Amazon. The U.K. Amazon has far better shipping
> times and overall shipping has been less than it is for
> their American counterparts. If an order is taking too long
> to ship, Amazon U.K. has sent out my order piecemeal without
> charging me for extra shipping.
http://www.chaosmusic.com do that as well, but they don't wait
very long at all - they send the available stuff out straight away,
and send the back-ordered stuff out later, but only charge you for one
lot of postage. Sad that their DVD range is a little ordinary. They
have piles of obscure CDs (we got most of our old out-of-print CD
singles from them) but their prices aren't exactly wonderful. On
balance, though, they tend to give great service at reasonable-but-
nothing-special prices. Never pre-order stuff from them, though - it
will show up on the shelves long before it appears in your letter box.
Media Fiend
> Can't Get Rid of Horror baby.
>
> I saw House of 1000 Corpses and I liked it!
> It was brutal. Refreshing to say the least.
>
> I also believe that this genre is getting stronger.
> Horror has always been popular and for a while there
> it seemed Hollywood was trying to invent a wholesome
> mockery of Horror.
> The quantity and quality was scarce.
>
> Jeepers Creepers, The Ring and House Of 1000 Corpses
> are proof that Horror is moving back into
> brutality, fear, insanity and good ol GORE!
>
>
> Hollywood's right-wing greedy fucks are understanding that
> scary gory movies generate a lot of revenue
> and with the lack of classic original films lately that
> keeping Horror brutal and busy is the
> smartest choice.
>
> Iggy
Yes, there will always be "horror," as the invasion of Iraq has
proved. Mediated reality being preferred by most Americans (Fox news
channel, CNN, rap music, boy bands, arena football, robot wars,
American idol, etc etc), there will always be fictional
representations of real life horror, more a bloody and sarcastic
commentary on modern life than anything remotely approaching "art."
The one true horror is POSTMODERNISM, which allows for rednecks who
drink Coors to rent House of 1000 Dumbass's who Go Out in the Woods
Alone to Die and other dreck while children starve and native peoples
are poisoned or slaughtered worldwide. Driving that fuel-guzzling F250
pickup or Hummer/SUV monster, razing your kids on McDonald's, keeping
animals as slaves, watching TV or hopelessly inept "horror flicks" is
the real abomination. I was also "razed" by media and am now trying to
removce my mouth from the glowing teat, going cold turkey, refusing
television and the DVD player, even recorded music, for REAL LIFE,
which does exist out there, by the way.
Representational Life, so celebrated by postmodernism (those damnable
French again), is what you are doing RIGHT NOW.
Forget the Matrix, boyos, you are living in Wonderland.
As for myself, I intend to avoid a slow and painful death gaping at
the nothingness.
The real horror is in your head.
bod
"Media Fiend" <media...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4ec04174.03051...@posting.google.com...
> Yes, there will always be "horror," as the invasion of Iraq has
> proved. Mediated reality being preferred by most Americans (Fox news
> channel, CNN, rap music, boy bands, arena football, robot wars,
> American idol, etc etc), there will always be fictional
> representations of real life horror, more a bloody and sarcastic
> commentary on modern life than anything remotely approaching "art."
> The one true horror is POSTMODERNISM, which allows for rednecks who
> drink Coors to rent House of 1000 Dumbass's who Go Out in the Woods
> Alone to Die and other dreck while children starve and native peoples
> are poisoned or slaughtered worldwide. Driving that fuel-guzzling F250
> pickup or Hummer/SUV monster, razing your kids on McDonald's, keeping
> animals as slaves, watching TV or hopelessly inept "horror flicks" is
> the real abomination. I was also "razed" by media and am now trying to
> removce my mouth from the glowing teat, going cold turkey, refusing
> television and the DVD player, even recorded music, for REAL LIFE,
> which does exist out there, by the way.
> Representational Life, so celebrated by postmodernism (those damnable
> French again), is what you are doing RIGHT NOW.
> Forget the Matrix, boyos, you are living in Wonderland.
> As for myself, I intend to avoid a slow and painful death gaping at
> the nothingness.
> The real horror is in your head.
i agree with that...but its also like saying lets stop nature, one fluffy
animal kills another fluffy animal for a meal...
shit all anyone can do about it, so enjoy what you have on this fucked up
planet!
pass me a bud and ill have one of those cuban cigars while your at it!!!
--
regards from BOD!
"dont worry yoko, its only a friggin water pist...."
JOHN LENNON 1980
see bod pissing in the wind at...
www.bodland.co.uk the home of bod!
Avoid normal situations.
> Lord Retsudo shared this:
[..]
>> I think you're being a little hard on Naomi Watts there - she
>> acquits herself well in the film and she's marvellous in
>> MULHOLLAND DRIVE. I certainly wouldn't describe her as
>> 'bimbo-like'.
> I really like Naomi Watts. Far from being yet another product
> from Australia's notorious soapie production line, she did the hard
> work in amateur and semi-professional theatre, serious television
> drama, and indy cinema. She worked very hard to get where she is
> today, and is a fine actress.
WHS.
> If she chooses her projects carefully,
> she could be the next Toni Collette, another excellent actress I am
> very proud to recognise as an Australian.
I would just like to point out that, while the bigger stars hogged the media
spotlight, Collette's performance in _The Hours_ is really outstanding. I'm
starting to look forward to seeing her in a picture.
ObHorror: How's Alien 5 coming along? I'll gladly donate a new ending if
they still can't come up with one themselves.
--
alt.flame Special Forces
"An Italian imitation of _Night of the Living Dead_, the gruesome makeup
and special effects of which are slaved-over and slavered-over to an
extent that makes you worry just slightly less about the moviemaker's
sanity than about his soul. For entertainment, this is right up there
with squashing spiders and pulling the wings off butterflies."
-- Duncan Shepherd on Lucio Fulci's _Zombie_
James J. Dominguez
Avoid normal situations. shared this:
> I would just like to point out that, while the bigger stars
> hogged the media
> spotlight, Collette's performance in _The Hours_ is really
> outstanding. I'm starting to look forward to seeing her in a
> picture.
She is simply brilliant as Haley Joel Osment's mother in The
Sixth Sense, her big US break.
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WideScreenPig
<mcd...@optusnet.comNO.auSPAM> writ thusly:
>
>Avoid normal situations. shared this:
>> I would just like to point out that, while the bigger stars
>> hogged the media
>> spotlight, Collette's performance in _The Hours_ is really
>> outstanding. I'm starting to look forward to seeing her in a
>> picture.
>
> She is simply brilliant as Haley Joel Osment's mother in The
>Sixth Sense, her big US break.
She's also great as the "daft bloody hippie" mom in the underrated
ABOUT A BOY.
Kendall
"WideScreenPig" <ws...@rogerspamthis.com> wrote in message
news:j855cvouk6q4ivbh9...@4ax.com...
> On 14 May 2003 11:32:02 GMT, "James J. Dominguez"
> <mcd...@optusnet.comNO.auSPAM> writ thusly:
>
> >
> >Avoid normal situations. shared this:
> >> I would just like to point out that, while the bigger stars
> >> hogged the media
> >> spotlight, Collette's performance in _The Hours_ is really
> >> outstanding. I'm starting to look forward to seeing her in a
> >> picture.
> >
> > She is simply brilliant as Haley Joel Osment's mother in The
> >Sixth Sense, her big US break.
>
> She's also great as the "daft bloody hippie" mom in the underrated
> ABOUT A BOY.
>
> --
>
> WideScreenPig
And you can't forget the fabulous depiction of Angie Bowie in Velvet
Goldmine.
Kendall