Hannibal - episodes 1 to 4

[The White Lady]

I had to sit and watch these altogether, to get to the banned one,
obviously. Firstly, I have to say that I'm not happy with the Hannibal guy
here. Hannibal is supposed to have some spooky kind of charisma or
magmentism that this guy just does not possess. And he reminds me of that
paedo off 'The Thick of It. The accent is a cunt, too. The whole set-up is
quite preposterous,but putting that aside there is nothing here really to
annoy me very much. So that's a start. I enjoyed the first 3 episodes for
what they were, an above average detective show, but episode 4 was a real
disappointment. I'm assuming it was banned for being TOO STUPID rather than
anything else? I hope this is a blip and episode 5 gets back to mushroom
people or something equally sensible.

[Kishin]

Funny, that. Most fans of the series single out Mads Mikkelsen's
performance as the title character as a primary draw. I think episode 4
was banned in the US because it depicted children murdering their
families, and Americans are a bit sensitive right now, what with school
shootings, kids killing other kids and the like going on. It's different
in the UK where 5-year-olds can't own real guns.

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Kishin

[bod]

"The White Lady" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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this guy is the bond villaian from CASINO ROYALE isnt it....THE SILENCE OF
THE LAMBS is the only one...oh sorry MANHUNTER was good as well that was
worth a look....and even then for ROMEROS and CORMANS cameo scenes


--
regards from BOD!


"dont worry yoko, its only a friggin water pist...."
JOHN LENNON 1980

[Adam Dolan]

On May 14, 6:58 pm, "bod" <BIGB...@CKS.CO.UK> wrote:
> "The White Lady" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in messagenews:XnsA1C04C65C88...@130.133.4.11...

Yup that's him.

The pilot ep did a good job recreating that Manhunter/SOTL vibe, but I
felt like they lost a bit of it (tho not all of it) after that. The
show is still good enough to keep watching. But it's in no danger of
displacing BATES MOTEL as my favorite new show.

[Mr Q. Z. Diablo]

In article
<f1ab5003-2c7a-4838...@m7g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>,

I am very much digging Mads Mikkelsen's performance and the character
study of Will Graham is perfect as the anchor for the series. The
basically ensemble cast works together well, too.

I am also happy with the genuinely pretty female cast members. Lara
Jean Chorostecki as "Freddy" Lounds is particularly easy on the eye
AFAIAC. Call me shallow ...

[The White Lady]

Adam Dolan <adol...@gmail.com> wrote in
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> On May 14, 6:58�pm, "bod" <BIGB...@CKS.CO.UK> wrote:
>> "The White Lady" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in

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Episode 5 was much better. Think I might try Bates Motel when I run out
of these.

[Adam Dolan]

On May 15, 1:31 pm, The White Lady <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

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> >> "The White Lady" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in
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Bates Motel takes a couple of episodes to really get going, but once
it does it's addictive.

[ReVulse]

I've just watched the first episode and I thought it was shit. It's a rip-
off of CRIMINAL MINDS, even down to having an autistic professor as an
investigator. I'm surprised an actor of the calibre of Mads Mikkelsen
would sign up for it.

--
#Andy#

[Kishin]

And it's a short run series. The season finale airs next week. I'm sad
to see it go so soon, but I believe it has been renewed.

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Kishin

[Adam Dolan]

Not yet:

http://www.deadline.com/2013/05/hannibal-subject-of-outside-interest-while-awaiting-renewal-decision-at-nbc/

[Jared]

On May 14, 4:30 pm, The White Lady <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> ...Hannibal is supposed to have some spooky kind of charisma or

> magmentism that this guy just does not possess.

It's obvious you've got your share of problems but I never realised
you were COMPLETELY FUCKING INSANE before.

> And he reminds me of that paedo off 'The Thick of It"...

Loving the final season of that at the moment.

[Jared]

On May 15, 8:58 am, "bod" <BIGB...@CKS.CO.UK> wrote:

> this guy is the bond villaian from CASINO ROYALE isnt it....THE SILENCE OF
> THE LAMBS is the only one...oh sorry MANHUNTER was good as well that was
> worth a look....and even then for  ROMEROS and CORMANS cameo scenes

Early start on the beers today?

[Jared]

On May 15, 10:44 pm, "Mr Q. Z. Diablo"

<dia...@thisbitisnotreal.goblinporn.com> wrote:

> I am very much digging Mads Mikkelsen's performance and the character
> study of Will Graham is perfect as the anchor for the series.  The
> basically ensemble cast works together well, too.

Yeah, I'm liking Hugh Dancy a lot and as I've said before I reckon it
needs to be more about him than HL for this to work.

I do feel they whipping through the murderers a bit hurriedly - wonder
if it would work a bit better with a two or three episode span for
each case, like a CRACKER or LUTHER.

[iL_WeReo]

In article
<ee7978d6-b8ad-45ce...@w13g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
Adam Dolan <adol...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Not yet:
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> iting-renewal-decision-at-nbc/

I hope it's renewed since it is much like my life story
--
It was consensual. �If you read the posts you'd see those kids were
coming on to ME. �The camp had an open door policy and I wasn't about
to discourage them. �You won't find a judge in the country who
wouldn't toss that case out on its own merits! �It's really not
surprising because I am AWL that matters! -Scot Lifshine Sat, Sep 30 2006

[The White Lady]

Jared <bi...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:cef14906-223d-4586-909c-
5ed5a5...@ve4g2000pbb.googlegroups.com:

> On May 15, 10:44�pm, "Mr Q. Z. Diablo"
> <dia...@thisbitisnotreal.goblinporn.com> wrote:
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CRACKER or LUTHER.

NOW you're talking.

[The White Lady]

"bod" <BIG...@CKS.CO.UK> wrote in news:kmufcl$ruo$1...@dont-email.me:

I've enjoyed just about all the books and films. The character of 'Hannibal
Lecter' is fascinating, particularly when lined up with the equally
fascinating Will Graham. Even this new Hannibal is growing on me.

Unfortunately, I can't watch Silence of the Lambs now because all I see is
Dawn French and Jennifer Saunders' piss-take.

[Kishin]

It was "Bates Motel" to which I was referring. I'm pretty sure I read
it's been renewed. I sure hope so, as I am quite enjoying it.

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Kishin

[Adam Dolan]

> >http://www.deadline.com/2013/05/hannibal-subject-of-outside-interest-...

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> it's been renewed. I sure hope so, as I am quite enjoying it.
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> Kishin

Whoops, sorry. That one has indeed been renewed. I have a couple of
friends who work for A&E, and are also huge fans of the show, and they
told me there will definitely be a season 2.

[Adam Dolan]

I think it would.

[Fraser Johnston]

On 16/05/13 2:55 PM, The White Lady wrote:

> I've enjoyed just about all the books and films. The character of 'Hannibal
> Lecter' is fascinating, particularly when lined up with the equally
> fascinating Will Graham. Even this new Hannibal is growing on me.
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> Unfortunately, I can't watch Silence of the Lambs now because all I see is
> Dawn French and Jennifer Saunders' piss-take.
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The books are brilliant.
--

Fraser

[Jared]

On May 17, 6:56 am, Adam Dolan <adola...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think it would.

Just watched the fourth episode (you banned that? really?) and what a
case in point. Fuck me we hurried through that - why did the woman
need to create a new family, why did she want to kill the original
family, how did she brainwash kids in the space of sixth months? For
a show that's so much about psychology we don't get a lot. I suppose
by the time we've take out all the bits of Hannibal acting strangely
and cooking mysterious dishes there's only half the show to actually
look at the murder.

It looks good though, doesn't it?

[Jared]

On May 17, 11:45 am, Fraser Johnston <fra...@cjmanagement.com.au>
wrote:

> The books are brilliant.

RED DRAGON and SILENCE OF THE LAMBS. HANNIBAL just makes me angry.
Harris has taken a somewhat realistic - in spite of being pretty scary
- character and turned him into a daft criminal superhero. I haven't
had the heart to read the next one.

[Mr Q. Z. Diablo]

In article
<b031b6f9-3c9b-4c82...@wg15g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,

I liked both the book and film of HANNIBAL. The former was reaching a
bit but remained slightly plausible. The latter was the welcome
Jasonisation of an already beloved and "serious" villain. I can dig
both of those things.

[Jared]

On May 18, 12:13 am, "Mr Q. Z. Diablo"

<dia...@thisbitisnotreal.goblinporn.com> wrote:

> I liked both the book and film of HANNIBAL.

I gave up arguing on the internet with mad people a long time ago.

> ...The former was reaching a

> bit but remained slightly plausible.  The latter was the welcome
> Jasonisation of an already beloved and "serious" villain.  I can dig
> both of those things.

Back in the day Hannibal was actually a bit of a dick and maybe not
quite as clever as he thought he was. I'm sad we've lost that for the
cartoon, urbane master-criminal.

[Kishin]

Have you lot seen the most recent episode? In it, Hannibal goes
mano-a-mano against another serial killer. I found it a great episode.

--

Kishin

[ReVulse]

So, a bit like DEXTER then?

--
#Andy#

[the dog from that film you saw]

I really enjoyed that one.
i could tell from the previous episode that the black guy was creepy but
his plan to play the vocal chords of his victim like a cello was very
inventive.
not sure exactly why he decided to attack the police and run though - it
didn't seem like the cops were on the verge of finding him out.

--
Gareth.
That fly.... Is your magic wand.

[Mr Q. Z. Diablo]

In article <knd372$5gb$2...@dont-email.me>,

Not really. Lecter is undoubtedly a villain in this one, whereas Dexter
Morgan is a much more ambivalent, conflicted character. By now, Lecter
has fed human flesh to just about every major character apart from Will
Graham.

[Kishin]

Not really. In "Dexter," the title character is a "good" guy. Hannibal
is clearly bad. It was an entirely different dynamic, IMO.

--

Kishin

[Kishin]

Oh. Uh, yeah, what he said.

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Kishin

[Jared]

On May 20, 9:59 pm, ReVulse <ReVu...@psychaoticREMOVETHIS.fsnet.co.uk>
wrote:

> So, a bit like DEXTER then?

Ha, you really are a miserable cunt aren't you?

I think you should get a kitten.

[Mr Q. Z. Diablo]

In article
<54bc40ff-a95b-4577...@oy9g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,

He'd just kill the poor thing and even the completely hypothetical
thought of someone killing a cat distresses me.

[Kishin]

Mr Q. Z. Diablo wrote:

Then don't watch "Hemlock Grove."

--

Kishin

[ReVulse]

I would never kill a cat.

--
#Andy#

[Mr Q. Z. Diablo]

In article <knfh1j$aqf$1...@dont-email.me>,

Glad to hear it. I am extremely neurotic about cats. Even the vaguest
idea that ours are having even the smallest amount of trouble sends me
into a massive panic.

[Adam Dolan]

On May 21, 9:04 am, "Mr Q. Z. Diablo"
<dia...@thisbitisnotreal.goblinporn.com> wrote:
> In article <knfh1j$aq...@dont-email.me>,

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> > > <54bc40ff-a95b-4577-88e6-4fbf65227...@oy9g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,

> > >  Jared <bi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Glad to hear it.  I am extremely neurotic about cats.  Even the vaguest
> idea that ours are having even the smallest amount of trouble sends me
> into a massive panic.

You wouldn't have enjoyed the weekend I just had. :P

[Blackwingbear]

On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 2:30:39 AM UTC-4, The White Lady wrote:
> Hannibal is supposed to have some spooky kind of charisma

I tried one - the guy just looked bored .
I couldn't get into it for the same reason.
Hopkins made you LIKE Hannibal.

[The White Lady]

Blackwingbear <blackw...@gmail.com> wrote in news:fd9a6809-d48e-4fdf-
afef-d11...@googlegroups.com:

It does get better. I've just tried the first episode of Bates Motel and
don't think I'll be bothering with that again. Next I'm trying RECTIFY

[Adam Dolan]

On May 21, 1:53 pm, The White Lady <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> Blackwingbear <blackwingb...@gmail.com> wrote in news:fd9a6809-d48e-4fdf-

Trust me (which you probably don't, but what the hell), you might want
to try Bates Motel thru episode 3 before quitting on it. I watched
the first two, was also largely unimpressed, and was about to delete
the rest from my DVR when I decided to give it one more look first. I
ended up watching the next 3 episodes in one sitting.

[Adam Dolan]

I liked the eps I saw well enough, yet I feel no urgent desire to
watch the rest of it. It's just missing something for me. This, I
probably will take off the DVR.

[Kishin]

I guess you decided to brave the wilds of alt.horror again. Glad to see
you back! I'm enjoying the show, and it's pretty brave for a broadcast
network show.

--

Kishin

[Kishin]

It ("Bates Motel") just concluded its first season in a spectacular way,
IMO. I know TWL won't trust me, either, but I thought it was great.

--

Kishin

[Blackwingbear]

On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 3:22:04 AM UTC-4, Kishin wrote:
> I guess you decided to brave the wilds of alt.horror again.

I just had "alot going-on" and was tired of the trolls.
I never leave permanently, just when depression or life
gives me the urge to.

[Blackwingbear]

The second I heard they changed the storyline of PSYCHO
on "Bates Motel", it lost ANY chance of me having a desire to see it.
You don't fuck with the original to get ratings.
NO.
BAD, BAD.
NO.

[Adam Dolan]

Other than changing the time period (which I realize does somewhat
constitute FWTOTGR), it remains to be seen if anything that takes
place in the series would contradict the original film. I haven't
seen the final episode yet, but unless something happened there, so
far nothing in the show invalidates the original. Quite the opposite,
if anything.

[Fraser Johnston]

+1 I thought it was a lot of fun.

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Fraser

[Blackwingbear]

On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 9:33:32 PM UTC-4, Adam Dolan wrote:
> Other than changing the time period

"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?"

[Adam Dolan]

On May 22, 10:40 pm, Fraser Johnston <fra...@cjmanagement.com.au>
wrote:

Back from watching the finale. Definitely nothing there (beyond the
shift to current day vs 1950s) to contradict the original movie. A
satisfying ending while still leaving enough loose threads to have me
really looking forward to S2.

[Kishin]

The only SIGNIFICANT change I can see is the relocation of the hotel
from the desert southwest to the Oregon coast. At first, I was
bewildered as to why they'd do this, but given the marijuana subplot, I
suspect that explains it. I suspect the desert isn't the best place to
grow fields of ganja. Still, I've overlooked larger inconsistencies in
films, and this is REALLY setting up how Norman became a serial killer.
The birth of his interest in taxidermi was both sad and creepy. And
learning of Norma's past explains many things (assuming she's telling
the truth).

--

Kishin

[Blackwingbear]

On Thursday, May 23, 2013 3:54:48 AM UTC-4, Kishin wrote:
> but given the marijuana subplot

You don't see THAT as changing the story?

[Adam Dolan]

Not really. Norman's neither smoking, selling, nor transporting it.

[Kishin]

All this happens years before the events in the movie, and nothing
(aside from the location and time period) has contradicted what was in
the original film.

--

Kishin

[Jared]

On May 24, 8:55 am, Kishin <n...@yobizz.ness> wrote:

> All this happens years before the events in the movie, and nothing
> (aside from the location and time period) has contradicted what was in
> the original film.

Just watched the 6th episode of HANNIBAL and that's wandering well off
piste. Looks like the event that originally got Hannibal locked up
has just ended up killing some proto-Clarice instead. It is making me
want to reread RED DRAGON though.