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Follower of the Clawed Albino

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Had a fairly odd musing re the "if all the humans shifted" thing...that
being, the possibility some humans might have phenotypes of *extinct*
animals...

For example, we hear of werewolves and werecats and such, but we never
hear of, say, were-smilodonts...which makes not a hell of a lot of sense...
I mean, were-sabertooths should exist, though not to the same levels...

The only "paleo-therianthrope" (for lack of a better term regarding
therianthropes whose phenotypes are of extinct animals) are were-deinonychs
(which is kind of neat, esp. since _Deinonychus_ is basically a very wolfy-
acting protobird...imagine a flock of ground-birds with claws and teeth :)...
why don't you ever hear of someone being, say, a were-tyrannosaur?

Then again, for all I know, many paleontologists could be were-dinos :)

Just an odd thought...comments welcomed...

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Spyder Witiko

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In article <5cc1hp$5...@library.airnews.net>, afn2...@afn.org wrote:

>The only "paleo-therianthrope" (for lack of a better term regarding
>therianthropes whose phenotypes are of extinct animals) are were-deinonychs
>(which is kind of neat, esp. since _Deinonychus_ is basically a very wolfy-
>acting protobird...imagine a flock of ground-birds with claws and teeth :)...
>why don't you ever hear of someone being, say, a were-tyrannosaur?

Do you guys remember Byl? He was a were-reptile, but his spirit ties
sounded more like they were with dinos instead of, say, gators. <grin>

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Ron Orr...& Tirran

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Windigo The Feral <afn2...@afn.org> pondered:

> Had a fairly odd musing re the "if all the humans shifted" thing...that
> being, the possibility some humans might have phenotypes of *extinct*
> animals...
>
> For example, we hear of werewolves and werecats and such, but we never
> hear of, say, were-smilodonts...

Well, perhaps it's because were phenotypes evolve, too, or die
off when conditions no longer suit them...
Or because, while a wolf, say, can hide away nicely in any
appropriate environment, someone is rather more likely to notice, say, a
T. Rex...

Mythical creatures, of course, are the exception to the rule;
being archetypes, we fit in _everywhere._ <g>

Tir'
(damn, there goes that ego again...)

Follower of the Clawed Albino

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In article <spyder-ya02408000...@news.xmission.com>,
spy...@therianthrope.org (Spyder Witiko) carved on the cave wall:


> In article <5cc1hp$5...@library.airnews.net>, afn2...@afn.org wrote:
>
> >The only "paleo-therianthrope" (for lack of a better term regarding
> >therianthropes whose phenotypes are of extinct animals) are were-deinonychs
> >(which is kind of neat, esp. since _Deinonychus_ is basically a very wolfy-
> >acting protobird...imagine a flock of ground-birds with claws and teeth :)...
> >why don't you ever hear of someone being, say, a were-tyrannosaur?
>
> Do you guys remember Byl? He was a were-reptile, but his spirit ties
> sounded more like they were with dinos instead of, say, gators. <grin>

Yes, I remember Byl :) Kinda miss the fellow too. :(

He seemed (talkin' to him) more lizard, though...(which isn't bad, actually;
lizards are often associated with wisdom, and there are times I wonder if
Jim Morrison weren't a were-lizard :).

BTW, just as an aside--crocs and gators ARE somewhat close relatives to
dinosaurs. In fact, most paleontologists argue nowadays that crocodilians
should be taken out of reptiles per se, and that they, thecodonts (early
crocodile-like animals before dinosaurs), pterosaurs, and dinosaurs
(including birds) should be put in a new class called the Archosauria.
(This is because all these animals have more erect body posture, have four-
chambered hearts, are oft [even possibly in the case of thecodonts and proto-
crocs] warm-blooded, etc.) So if he was closer to crocs you'd be close in
any case.

(This makes me wonder even more why one doesn't hear of, say, were-T-rexes;
birds are essentially dinosaurs [in fact, the closest known relatives to
_Archaeopteryx_ are the dromaeosaurs, including _Deinonychus_, and even T.
rex itself isn't TOO far removed from birds]...ah well...)



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Craig E. Hall

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Simone Aiken <we...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>In article <5cc1hp$5...@library.airnews.net>,


> afn2...@afn.org (Follower of the Clawed Albino) wrote:

>>Had a fairly odd musing re the "if all the humans shifted" thing...that
>>being, the possibility some humans might have phenotypes of *extinct*
>>animals...
>>
>>For example, we hear of werewolves and werecats and such, but we never

>>hear of, say, were-smilodonts...which makes not a hell of a lot of sense...
>>I mean, were-sabertooths should exist, though not to the same levels...

> I have noticed that a lot of people become clued into their wereness
>by sight, sound, or touch of their spirit animal ... If you were a werecat,
>and you'd never seen a real cat, never heard one, or touched one ... would
>you know that you are a werecat?

Wulll...I dunno. My feelings on wereness is that you are bearing the
soul of the creature you were in your previous life (I suppose you'd
have to believe in reincarnation for this on. The long deads, like
the sabers would have been through several life times, before hitting
this one. So while you may well be a were-sabertooth, you might have
a more closer connection to being a were-tiger as you were a tiger in
your last life and a sabertooth some 100,000 year ago or so.

What were dogs/wolves before they were dogs/wolves anyway?

Simone Aiken

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In article <5cc1hp$5...@library.airnews.net>,
afn2...@afn.org (Follower of the Clawed Albino) wrote:

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>
>Had a fairly odd musing re the "if all the humans shifted" thing...that
>being, the possibility some humans might have phenotypes of *extinct*
>animals...
>
>For example, we hear of werewolves and werecats and such, but we never
>hear of, say, were-smilodonts...which makes not a hell of a lot of sense...
>I mean, were-sabertooths should exist, though not to the same levels...
>

>The only "paleo-therianthrope" (for lack of a better term regarding
>therianthropes whose phenotypes are of extinct animals) are were-deinonychs
>(which is kind of neat, esp. since _Deinonychus_ is basically a very wolfy-
>acting protobird...imagine a flock of ground-birds with claws and teeth
:)...
>why don't you ever hear of someone being, say, a were-tyrannosaur?
>

>Then again, for all I know, many paleontologists could be were-dinos :)
>
>Just an odd thought...comments welcomed...
>

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I have noticed that a lot of people become clued into their wereness
by sight, sound, or touch of their spirit animal ... If you were a werecat,
and you'd never seen a real cat, never heard one, or touched one ... would
you know that you are a werecat?

-GrassCatt Plainsrunner ... who after this thought is carefully typing
Around a visiting kitty.

Coyote Osborne

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In article <5cc1hp$5...@library.airnews.net>, afn2...@afn.org wrote:

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> Had a fairly odd musing re the "if all the humans shifted" thing...that
> being, the possibility some humans might have phenotypes of *extinct*
> animals...

> Just an odd thought...comments welcomed...

I'm specifically curious if there are any were-dire-wolves.

I've been told by Howl's that supposedly a small number of Dire Wolves is
still extant somehwre off the coast of Alaska... recently rediscovered.
Anyone with info on that? I'd dearly welcome that.

Coyote

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> Wulll...I dunno. My feelings on wereness is that you are bearing the
> soul of the creature you were in your previous life (I suppose you'd
> have to believe in reincarnation for this on. The long deads, like
> the sabers would have been through several life times, before hitting
> this one. So while you may well be a were-sabertooth, you might have
> a more closer connection to being a were-tiger as you were a tiger in
> your last life and a sabertooth some 100,000 year ago or so.
>
> What were dogs/wolves before they were dogs/wolves anyway?

Heh heh heh... some new evidence seems to indicate that they were...

heh heh heh...

Coyotes.

Nyah Nyah!

But before that... canids, ursids, felines, and whatever the hell raccoons
are were supposed to be descended from the same stock.

Maelstrom

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hock...@pipeline.com (Craig E. Hall) wrote:

>Simone Aiken <we...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Wulll...I dunno. My feelings on wereness is that you are bearing the
>soul of the creature you were in your previous life (I suppose you'd
>have to believe in reincarnation for this on. The long deads, like
>the sabers would have been through several life times, before hitting
>this one. So while you may well be a were-sabertooth, you might have
>a more closer connection to being a were-tiger as you were a tiger in
>your last life and a sabertooth some 100,000 year ago or so.

>What were dogs/wolves before they were dogs/wolves anyway?

I don't know if this is what you are asking, but canines and felines
stem from a common ancestor, not too far back on the evolutionary
tree...

Wanderer

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Coyote Osborne <coy...@miami.mindspring.com> wrote in article
<coyotee-ya0240800...@news.miami.mindspring.com>...
wrote:
>
> > Wulll...I dunno. My feelings on wereness is that you are bearing the
> > soul of the creature you were in your previous life (I suppose you'd
> > have to believe in reincarnation for this on. The long deads, like
> > the sabers would have been through several life times, before hitting
> > this one. So while you may well be a were-sabertooth, you might have
> > a more closer connection to being a were-tiger as you were a tiger in
> > your last life and a sabertooth some 100,000 year ago or so.
> >
> > What were dogs/wolves before they were dogs/wolves anyway?
>
> Heh heh heh... some new evidence seems to indicate that they were...
>
> heh heh heh...
>
> Coyotes.
:)

>
> Nyah Nyah!
>
> But before that... canids, ursids, felines, and whatever the hell
raccoons
> are were supposed to be descended from the same stock.
Raccoons are procyonids, beings of the genus Procyon.

On the other palaeozoological paw, before the wolf, there was the dire
wolf, much larger than the modern or even the colonial version.

Yours with nad news yet to deliver,

The weeping and weary,

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Follower of the Clawed Albino

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In article <coyotee-ya0240800...@news.miami.mindspring.com>,
coy...@miami.mindspring.com (Coyote Osborne) carved on the cave wall:


> In article <5cc1hp$5...@library.airnews.net>, afn2...@afn.org wrote:
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> >
> > Had a fairly odd musing re the "if all the humans shifted" thing...that
> > being, the possibility some humans might have phenotypes of *extinct*
> > animals...
>
> > Just an odd thought...comments welcomed...
>
> I'm specifically curious if there are any were-dire-wolves.

That's part of what I was wondering too. (Somehow I suspect there are,
but that's just me.)



> I've been told by Howl's that supposedly a small number of Dire Wolves is
> still extant somehwre off the coast of Alaska... recently rediscovered.
> Anyone with info on that? I'd dearly welcome that.

As would I...as would I...Gods, that would be beautiful if a few of them
survived... :~)

(Suffice it to say I have very, very fond memories of dire wolves. I've
been raised by them in Dreaming, and possibly in past lives as well.)

If some of my adopted "brothers" still exist...gods, I'll just start
bawling in happiness on the keyboard...there's still hope then...

> Coyote

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Lucas Raymond

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: > Had a fairly odd musing re the "if all the humans shifted" thing...that
: > being, the possibility some humans might have phenotypes of *extinct*
: > animals...

: > Just an odd thought...comments welcomed...

I know I've recently had quite the pull towards Tasmanian Wolves (or
Tasmanian Tigers, or Thylacines). The last one died on the Hobart Zoo in
the 30's, and even though there have been scattered sightings since, they are
still considered extinct. I don't think I have a thylacine side to me,
but compassion for their beauty, and sadness for their loss has bred a
deep feeling inside of me for them. Of course, maybe it's the marsupial
in me, upset over the loss of a cousin. Who knows?

Potoroo
lray...@uoguelph.ca

Wendy Hibbs

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In article <5ddtrg$q...@library.airnews.net>, Follower of the Clawed
Albino <afn2...@afn.org> writes

>
>> I've been told by Howl's that supposedly a small number of Dire Wolves is
>> still extant somehwre off the coast of Alaska... recently rediscovered.
>> Anyone with info on that? I'd dearly welcome that.
>
Not too sure if they are actually Dire Wolves but there are wolves
larger than the standard wolf that hunt buffalo out there ... Erm hang
on, I'll see if I can dig up a ref.

Damn - no ref. at the moment.

Basically they are bigger wolves because they have evolved where buffalo
is the only source of major prey.

There was a BBC wildlife program about them, truely magnificent animals.
Unfortunately as USA tv and our home brand don't operate on the same
wavelength it'd me copying the video.

/\/\ Scrybild
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In article <9X7TxTAI...@psyfur.demon.co.uk>, Wendy Hibbs
<scry...@psyfur.demon.co.uk> scribed:

>In article <5ddtrg$q...@library.airnews.net>, Follower of the Clawed
>Albino <afn2...@afn.org> writes
>>
>>> I've been told by Howl's that supposedly a small number of Dire Wolves is
>>> still extant somehwre off the coast of Alaska... recently rediscovered.
>>> Anyone with info on that? I'd dearly welcome that.
>>
>Not too sure if they are actually Dire Wolves but there are wolves
>larger than the standard wolf that hunt buffalo out there ... Erm hang
>on, I'll see if I can dig up a ref.
>
>Damn - no ref. at the moment.

Wood Buffalo Nat'l Park, in Canada.
[Parks Canada have a web-site...]

>Basically they are bigger wolves because they have evolved where buffalo
>is the only source of major prey.
>
>There was a BBC wildlife program about them, truely magnificent animals.
>Unfortunately as USA tv and our home brand don't operate on the same
>wavelength it'd me copying the video.

A joint production between the BBC and some US company; cameraman was
Jeff Turner.
It was shown on US public TV about a week before it was shown in
britain! [go figure...]

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fe...@uwyo.edu

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In article <9X7TxTAI...@psyfur.demon.co.uk>, Wendy Hibbs <scry...@psyfur.demon.co.uk> writes:
>In article <5ddtrg$q...@library.airnews.net>, Follower of the Clawed
>Albino <afn2...@afn.org> writes
>>
>>> I've been told by Howl's that supposedly a small number of Dire Wolves is
>>> still extant somehwre off the coast of Alaska... recently rediscovered.
>>> Anyone with info on that? I'd dearly welcome that.
>>
>Not too sure if they are actually Dire Wolves but there are wolves
>larger than the standard wolf that hunt buffalo out there ... Erm hang
>on, I'll see if I can dig up a ref.
>
>Damn - no ref. at the moment.
>
>Basically they are bigger wolves because they have evolved where buffalo
>is the only source of major prey.
>
>There was a BBC wildlife program about them, truely magnificent animals.
>Unfortunately as USA tv and our home brand don't operate on the same
>wavelength it'd me copying the video.
>
> /\/\ Scrybild
>{ oo }
> (><) A Cat's Creed :-
>/ \ Think before you act, wash before you think.
>
>Turnpike evaluation. For information, see http://www.turnpike.com/

Unfortunately there are no buffalo wolves left in the wild....obviously.
In fact there are very few left at all....they are technically gray wolves
like the rest (aside from the red wolf).
I have a picture of one named Little John who makes his home on a refugue
I can't remember the group....guess I'm at a loss for refs too.
They are bigger....I've seen an old pelt of one, very big.

Shewolf


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