The Flamewars (notice the capital F)
Lucid_IceWolf
Could someone, preferably a Greymouzzle who was actually there,
provideth me with some information concerning the period in AHWW
history known as The Flamewars? It would be much appreciated, and I am
still wondering...what is a SigFile? someone , I think it was Jaue,
once commented that something I posted would go well ina SigFile
anyway, thanks for your time
Lucid IceWolf
"Howl, Cry then Die" -Me
Lucid_IceWolf
wrote:
I MEANT MUZZLE NOT MOUZZLE!! :L:
Bryan 'SMASH' Manternach
> Could someone, preferably a Greymouzzle who was actually there,
> provideth me with some information concerning the period in AHWW
> history known as The Flamewars? It would be much appreciated, and I am
> still wondering...what is a SigFile? someone , I think it was Jaue,
> once commented that something I posted would go well ina SigFile
> anyway, thanks for your time
>
> Lucid IceWolf
>
> "Howl, Cry then Die" -Me
Flame wars... hmm... YOu mean the arguments between poopyheads
as KatmanDu calls them?
Flaming referring to an e-mail that provokes someone else,
usually in retaliation. Often in the form of a personal attack,
and often containing attacks on one's charachter that are totally
out of context of the conversation, and it's original conflict.
It's really being referred to as an event?
Poopyheads post crasy stuff,a nd people flame them back.
Then mondo poopyheads crosspost things to this group and
a dozen others with no content on topic. Our poopyheads
respond to the post in all groups,and then the whole thing
mushroom clouds into a giant pile of shit!
Let's see, first it was our own internal bickering as AHWW
grewm it became fragmented, and cliquish... Then it was
the dawn of the worldwide web, and search engines that brought
all the WWtA RPGers in here who found us when they did a
keyword search on "Werewolf" and assumed it was a RPG
newsgroup without ever asking... I left about then... I came
back a year later to find the Meowers... Then a year later, the
whole WWF crap , so I left for another year ... or more... and
now I am back...
Flame wars are a fact of internet life. Most people aren't
mature enough to react to a flame, so they turn it into a war.
Though I remember the internet before the web, and flamewars
were a very rare occourance. Now they are expected.
*Sigh*
To be honest, I am surprised I haven't returned into a flame
war this time... I'm not surprised at the politics, and cliques
that I see... Just the way it is... Maybe it's best that I lurk,
andonlt come in here now and again. It keeps me out of
allthe crap that can make everyone miserable...
Flame wars alway shappen. All you can do is try to ignore them...
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> To be honest, I am surprised I haven't returned into a flame
> war this time...
Bad timing. You just missed a doozy!
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Kamatu
Bryan 'SMASH' Manternach
> I'm no Greymuzzle (whatever THAT is) and I wasn't actually there, but I have
> had some contact with Pokey regarding a period known as the Winter of
> Discontent. Here is a transcript of what he sent me...
>
> ---Start Stuff----
>>CLAWED<<
> Pokey
Yes, that was one name for what I described. Look at your web history.
In late 1992/1993ish, NCSA released the Mosaic 1.0 web browser.
I remember manually hand coding my first web page at school in
HTML because there were no decent web editors, and using a cropped
picture of me from a still captre of KatmanDu's home video of the
first Harvest Howl. That page went up in December, 1993.
Like I said, the web brought search indexes, and then teh gamers
came in, and found "Werewolf" on the web. The web was starting
to open up to the general public. Unfortunately, the general public
will never read a manual before doing anything. Most people these
days don't know any netiquette at all. I am STILL getting irritated
by my mom sending me binaries in e-mail. Especially when they
are windows executables, and I don't use any Microsoft products.
Around that time, Pokey and I went to the same school, and he would
visit our place allthe time for head-to-head network Doom and
Descent games. (Before modems were effectively fast enough
for internet play.)... I don't know if I showed him AHWW,
or if he found it on his own... We hardly talked about AHWW
together, except when responding to each other's posts on the
newsgroup, and a few telephone interviews for his research.,..
That would be circa 1993-1994.
Then we both moved into houses in the student gheto, behind
one another. I wired his house to mine, set up a Linux box as
an internet router, registered a domain name, and lycanthrope.net
was born!
The text you quoted is almost verbatum the stuff he sent to me
during his research while he was documenting the history.
I can almost call Pokey the quasi-oficial AHWW historian
since he made so many recorded observations of AHWW
in the early days.
I think Pokey was referring to a "greymuzzle" as someone who
was one of the original founders of the group, before the web
tore us all apart. The greymuzzles are responsible for shifting
the topic of this group from horror werewolf movies to
lycanthropy, and shapeshifting.
Basicly, if you were around the newsgroup at the time of the
first howl in November 1993, then you are a "greymuzzle"
Pokey can be reached at: mailto:po...@lycanthrope.net
Kamatu
> Like I said, the web brought search indexes, and then teh gamers
> came in, and found "Werewolf" on the web. The web was starting
> to open up to the general public. Unfortunately, the general public
> will never read a manual before doing anything. Most people these
> days don't know any netiquette at all.
Same thing happened to CB radio in the 70's.
> Basicly, if you were around the newsgroup at the time of the
> first howl in November 1993, then you are a "greymuzzle"
>
I was here in '86. There was a post for a "movie poster for sale"
and that was all.
My how time flies.
--
Kamatu
(the previous reference to a date I was here, does not indicate I think I
have
a status above or beyond. Time does not indicate wisdom, wisdom does not
indicate time. I only briefly stopped here because I had just gained access
to
the net and visited almost all of the newsgroups at the time. It wasn't
until
7 years later the newsgroup took on it's current meaning. During that time
I spent my "computer" time on FIDOnet. The changes made here, I had
no knowledge of as they happened.)
Jaue Lang
<sm...@lycanthrope.net>Fri, 17 Dec 1999 00:35:43 -0800 writes:
:>
:>Let's see, first it was our own internal bickering as AHWW
:>grewm it became fragmented, and cliquish... Then it was
:>the dawn of the worldwide web, and search engines that brought
:>all the WWtA RPGers in here who found us when they did a
:>keyword search on "Werewolf" and assumed it was a RPG
:>newsgroup without ever asking... I left about then... I came
:>back a year later to find the Meowers... Then a year later, the
:>whole WWF crap , so I left for another year ... or more... and
:>now I am back...
Not being a greymuzzle yet, what is a "WWtA RPGers" and what is "WWF".
:>Flame wars are a fact of internet life. Most people aren't
:>mature enough to react to a flame, so they turn it into a war.
:>Though I remember the internet before the web, and flamewars
:>were a very rare occourance. Now they are expected.
I find it hard to believe that ahww has never had flaming. It is sort of like
alt.vampyres, the bitchiness in that group was profound. I had just thought
that there were always gonna be individuals here that were sort of controlling
and condescending.
:>To be honest, I am surprised I haven't returned into a flame
:>war this time... I'm not surprised at the politics, and cliques
:>that I see... Just the way it is... Maybe it's best that I lurk,
:>andonlt come in here now and again. It keeps me out of
:>allthe crap that can make everyone miserable...
I don't think you should lurk. This is the trouble with the flaming. There
are those who come here, make inflammatory remarques, disrupt what is peaceful
and ENJOYABLE, and then disappear, accusing those, who stay to wade through
the mess, of being troublemakers.
As someone who has been here just over a year, this is the pattern I have
noticed. This is different from the pattern of the meowers whose only point,
I found out PAINFULLY, is to be contrary. It was a good, but ugly, education.
But what about all the great things that happen here?
What about all the excellent stories and poetry?
What about the great artwork?
What about the weresymbol? It divided us at times, but showed incredible
skills and thoughts.
What about getting to know some of the other weres electronically, to move
pass the bubble that can be fear here in the eworld of Usenet, and actually
wanting to meet some of these people? What about some of them who have moved
beyond anonominity [sp?] and into a realm where there are public about their
werism?
There has been alot of great stuff happening here, in between invasions and
those who pop in to cause trouble.
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Pinky, Razza, Uath & gang placed me on their hate list. I will not be
allowed in their private club. They insinuate that those who are not
with them are against them. Oh, well, guess I lose! May I gain more
strength from their actions against me, for I travel not from fear!!!
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Kioma Winterwolf
had some contact with Pokey regarding a period known as the Winter of
Discontent. Here is a transcript of what he sent me...
---Start Stuff----
i started following AHWW in . . . early '93, i think . . . there were
about 10 or so people posting consistently at that time . . . that was
after the NG subject matter switched from primarily-werewolf-movies to
primarily being were. if there were 15 posts in an entire day, it was
absolutely huge. often an entire week would not yield so many
messages. we all seemed to get along pretty well -- granted there were
folks who didn't care much for other folks, but they kept it off the
NG.
most posts were signal-posts (on topic). dream discussion, were
literature, movies, personal aspects of lycanthropy, etc.
i can't remember off hand whether WooD was 93-94 or the following winter
. . . not especially important . . . gradually AHWW had been growing. a
couple weres would delurk every once in a while. folks went back to
school after a summer break, and that fall the numbers grew more and
more rapidly. winter rolled around and by the end of it there were
often over 200 posts a day, most of them noise. many of the "cubs" were
into role playing (which was fine) and decided that AHWW was a forum for
such activity (which was NOT fine). smash greywolf (whose name you may
have heard a time or two) made a comparison that made sense to me --
coming onto AHWW and role playing, acting out things that you didn't
even feel, would be like playing a game called christianity, and lodging
holy wars, etc, simply because it was in character -- not because it was
truly inside. there was also a huge virtual snowball fight (i'd never
"heard" the word SPAFF before . . . yahoo for onomatopoeia :)
with the huge influx of new folk there were several (both RPG and
legitimate) that more or less HAD to be alpha, and could not grasp that
there were no alphas among us. flame-rate rose dramatically, and the
"greymuzzles" began to drift away in disgust. of those that were around
when i approached the bonfire only katmandu (keeper of the FAQ, unless
he has passed the torch) remains.
that's basically it . . . if you have questions, or would like to share
with the NG what i've shared, feel free to ask or post. i'll happily do
email w/ anyone who's interested, but unless a fairly large # of the
pack requests that i actually post, i am done with AHWW on Usenet.
i have a lot of "history" archived, both hard and data. i'm a resource
if any have a use for me :)
Wind in your nose!
pokey
---End Stuff---
Kioma
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Jaue Lang
<sm...@lycanthrope.net>Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:02:46 -0800 writes:
:>
:>Basicly, if you were around the newsgroup at the time of the
:>first howl in November 1993, then you are a "greymuzzle"
:>Pokey can be reached at: mailto:po...@lycanthrope.net
And what do you think of it now? Are you sad that it isn't the way it was
back then, happy that so many new faces have injected their perspectives or
neutral, it is just the way it is now.
I, for one, am thankful that this place evolved into what it is now. And
thankful that others saw fit to keep it going. It is a wonderful place to
unwind with my "own" kind.
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johnny_...@my-deja.com
"Kamatu" <kam...@thechangingtimes.com> wrote:
> I was here in '86. There was a post for a "movie
poster for sale"
> and that was all.
>
funny, that. i was under the impression that
AHWw wasn't newgrouped until 1992. November 16, to
be exact.
i would suggest, Kamatu and others with interest,
reading one of the various and sundry FAQ's, which
are online at various locales.
they do come in handy once in a while.
--Reemul
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Timberwolf
Bryan 'SMASH' Manternach wrote in message
<385A7AC6...@lycanthrope.net>...
>Kioma Winterwolf wrote:
>
>> I'm no Greymuzzle (whatever THAT is) and I wasn't actually there, but I
have
>> had some contact with Pokey regarding a period known as the Winter of
>> Discontent. Here is a transcript of what he sent me...
>>
>> ---Start Stuff----
>
>
>> Pokey
>
>since he made so many recorded observations of AHWW
>in the early days.
>
>I think Pokey was referring to a "greymuzzle" as someone who
>was one of the original founders of the group, before the web
>tore us all apart. The greymuzzles are responsible for shifting
>the topic of this group from horror werewolf movies to
>lycanthropy, and shapeshifting.
>
>first howl in November 1993, then you are a "greymuzzle"
>
Smash, thank you for the information, some of use are interested in the
history of the group, and how everything came about, only so much can be
gotten from the FAQs and stuff that is still posted on the group. How did
the greating to the fire come about.
As always,
Timberwolf
The ear hears the call of the night,
and the spirit from with in responds,
aaarrrroooooo!
Ponty the singing WerePontiac
>
> In article <83dv9...@news2.newsguy.com>,
> "Kamatu" <kam...@thechangingtimes.com> wrote:
>
> > I was here in '86. There was a post for a "movie
> poster for sale"
> > and that was all.
> >
>
> funny, that. i was under the impression that
> AHWw wasn't newgrouped until 1992. November 16, to
> be exact.
Exactly. It was newgrouped by Jim Hershey and Al Gore.
> i would suggest, Kamatu and others with interest,
> reading one of the various and sundry FAQ's, which
> are online at various locales.
> they do come in handy once in a while.
How dare you suggest that Kammy read the FAQ!?!? Jaue,
tell us what our contestant has just won as his prize...
Ponty the singing WerePontiac
>
> In message <385A7AC6...@lycanthrope.net> - Bryan 'SMASH' Manternach
> <sm...@lycanthrope.net>Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:02:46 -0800 writes:
> :>
> :>first howl in November 1993, then you are a "greymuzzle"
> :>Pokey can be reached at: mailto:po...@lycanthrope.net
>
> And what do you think of it now? Are you sad that it isn't the way it was
> back then, happy that so many new faces have injected their perspectives or
> neutral, it is just the way it is now.
>
> I, for one, am thankful that this place evolved into what it is now. And
> thankful that others saw fit to keep it going. It is a wonderful place to
> unwind with my "own" kind.
Heh. I like how ahww has evolved too.
Lynx Canadensis
> Not being a greymuzzle yet, what is a "WWtA RPGers" and what is "WWF".
The first would be "Werewolf: the Apocalypse" role-playing gamers. Not
sure about the second - the World Wildlife Foundation comes ot mind, but I
rather doubt that's it...
Lynx C.
--
The forests of the mind are benighted, dark, and dazzling places.
Things wander there that shine, and burn, and bite.
‹ Tanith Lee
Bryan 'SMASH' Manternach
>
> I was here in '86. There was a post for a "movie poster for sale"
> and that was all.
>
> My how time flies.
>
Umm, dude? alt.horrow.werewolves wasn't created till 1992...
Bryan 'SMASH' Manternach
> And what do you think of it now? Are you sad that it isn't the way it was
> back then, happy that so many new faces have injected their perspectives or
> neutral, it is just the way it is now.
I have to admit that I miss the kinship of the somewhat smaller
pack back then. There was a whole lot more respect for one
another. But I can't say that I don't appreciate the new blood
that has come and gone over the years.
See, LIFE is CHANGE! That's what the wolf medicine is all
about. BEING ALIVE. We need to change to grow, and to grow
is to be alive. Everything that changes is alive,and the ultimate
change is death... Ironicly, the ultimate expression of life, and
change, all compressed into an instant. If we fear change, we
fear growth,and life itself. Wolves are generations born, and
dying, and the pack lives on, in constant growth and change, just like
the whole planet.
I for one, revel in the changes, as painful as they may be from
time to time, because it reminds me that I am alive, and how
things change.
Isn't changing what werewolves are all about?
(Conversely, isn't death, and being eternally undead what
vampires are all about? Forever dead, never changing?
Maybe that's why the traditionally don't get along? Hmmm.)
> I, for one, am thankful that this place evolved into what it is now. And
> thankful that others saw fit to keep it going. It is a wonderful place to
> unwind with my "own" kind.
And without the changes here, I never would have made your
virtual aquaintance! :>
--SMASH
Lucid_IceWolf
<sm...@lycanthrope.net> wrote:
Dude, I know what a Flame is. I am a Hacker after all,
Lucid IceWolf
>
>
Bryan 'SMASH' Manternach
> Smash, thank you for the information, some of use are interested in the
> history of the group, and how everything came about, only so much can be
> gotten from the FAQs and stuff that is still posted on the group. How did
> the greating to the fire come about.
The virtual campfire was a sentimental tradition from the howls.
It was BLOODY cold at the first howl, so we kept a fire running all
weekend, and burned everything that wasn't alive, or bolted down...
Everyone spent time at the fire during the event, and the fire is
the one constant among all of us "strangers" who never met before.
It was the center of our comunity, and brought us all together.
If anyone were ever to use a symbol for AHWW, it would
be the fire, because it's teh only thing that ever united everyone
without question. But as stated in another thread, if we
followed a symbol, we'd be no more than the very sheep
our wolfen totems might dine on.
More precicely, I think it was KatmanDu, or Firewolf, who
greeted a newcomer to the newsgroup after the howl, and
said something like, "Welcome to AHWW. Pull up a log
to the fire, and warm your paws... I got a pot of chili on that
will be ready soon ..."
Bryan 'SMASH' Manternach
> Not being a greymuzzle yet, what is a "WWtA RPGers" and what is "WWF".
Werewolf The apocolypse, an RPG (Role Playing Game) produced
by White Wolf Studios sometime around 1993/1994 or so.
> I find it hard to believe that ahww has never had flaming. It is sort of like
> alt.vampyres, the bitchiness in that group was profound. I had just thought
> that there were always gonna be individuals here that were sort of controlling
> and condescending.
Flaming has been a tradition on ahww since the group went
through that time of discontent...
> I don't think you should lurk. This is the trouble with the flaming. There
> are those who come here, make inflammatory remarques, disrupt what is peaceful
> and ENJOYABLE, and then disappear, accusing those, who stay to wade through
> the mess, of being troublemakers.
That's an unfortunate fact of internet life. It's like letting anyone
drive a Ferrari on the freeway with no experience, and no license,
and not ever requiring one, and no laws to break.
Every now and again, some nutjob comes along,and causes
a wreck. People get hurt,and killed... But on the internet,
ther eis no traffic court, there are no traffic cops, your
license won't get revoked, and you can just drive your digital
car into someone else right away... Some people get off on
weilding words as weapons on the internet, for whatever their
personal reasons are.
> But what about all the great things that happen here?
>
> What about all the excellent stories and poetry?
>
> What about the great artwork?
These are the inspiration that keeps the group together! This is
the heart and soul of how we express what we feel,and what we
know, but might not be able to express in conventional terms.
> What about the weresymbol? It divided us at times, but showed incredible
> skills and thoughts.
A symbol cannot be imposed... A symbol must define all of us,
and not exclude anyone. Most of all, a symbol has to come from
our hearts, and the roots of our existance. Everyone has their own
symbol. Symbols are far too often used to divide, rather than unite.
Flags unite people into nations, yet divide nations from one another,
and thus dividing the people... Like the fire that draws us all close,
and alpha wolf is a symbol of the whole pack. The pack makes the
alpha. The alpha does not make the pack!
> What about getting to know some of the other weres electronically, to move
> pass the bubble that can be fear here in the eworld of Usenet, and actually
> wanting to meet some of these people? What about some of them who have moved
> beyond anonominity [sp?] and into a realm where there are public about their
> werism?
The howls were jsut that. A time and a place where we shed the
virtual shroud of anonymity of the internet, and get to know
the real faces to the names,and the real personalities that you
simply cannot read between the lines of even themost elloquent,
and constructive writers.
The internet may bring us together, but it keeps us ever so slightly
apart too... When someone is ready to shed that mask, they
seek something like a howl...
> There has been alot of great stuff happening here, in between invasions and
> those who pop in to cause trouble.
No doubt...
But I am also faced with the reality that time is money, and
in my situation, a LOT of money. Sometimes I jus thave to
do my job, and unfoirtunately, I end up with less time to sift
through the crufty spam to get to the meaty parts... So you
hopefully understand why spam, and flames can frustrate,
and drive good people away...
--SMASH
Kamatu
news:83f18d$rvf$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <83dv9...@news2.newsguy.com>,
> "Kamatu" <kam...@thechangingtimes.com> wrote:
>
>
> > I was here in '86. There was a post for a "movie
> poster for sale"
> > and that was all.
> >
>
> AHWw wasn't newgrouped until 1992. November 16, to
> be exact.
Oh good lord, what boring lives you lead.
Why am I so important?
Hmmmmmmm.....
Oh yeah, bursted that little bubble.
"Real" weres hate me, want to ignore me,
do it by hitting my web site 400 times a week!
ROTFLMAO!
I apologize, it wasn't 1986, that was the year I got married.
Another low point in my life. I had the two confused.
--
Kamatu
Quoteth a wise man - "Life is hard. Deal with it."
Kamatu
Bryan 'SMASH' Manternach <sm...@lycanthrope.net> wrote in message
news:385B58D0...@lycanthrope.net...
>
> Isn't changing what werewolves are all about?
>
And yet change is met with so much resistance here.
--
Kamatu
Jaue Lang
<kam...@thechangingtimes.com> writes:
:>
:>"Real" weres hate me, want to ignore me,
:>do it by hitting my web site 400 times a week!
:>
:>ROTFLMAO!
How do you know if they hit your site 400 times a week?
Jaue Lang
(Lucid_IceWolf) writes:
:>
:>Dude, I know what a Flame is. I am a Hacker after all,
:>
:>Lucid IceWolf
And what is a hacker? I have heard so many definitions of late, that I will
only call myself a geek, never a hacker. <grin>
Jaue Lang
<sm...@lycanthrope.net> writes:
:>
:>Jaue Lang wrote:
:>
:>> And what do you think of it now? Are you sad that it isn't the way it was
:>> back then, happy that so many new faces have injected their perspectives or
:>> neutral, it is just the way it is now.
LOTS OF GREAT STUFF SWIPED FOR BANDWIDTH.
:>And without the changes here, I never would have made your
:>virtual aquaintance! :>
:>
:>--SMASH
How sweet! I have a strong elove for many of the persons who travel through
ahww.
I too, am very thankful for this place, and how I have grown to be a better
person conversing with so many great people here. Even the ones that don't
post alot. I think of how much groance I had last year at this time. And now
much of it has disappeared. I can now post without having to have three weeks
to think about my responses. And that is a real time saver.
Jaue Lang
<sm...@lycanthrope.net> writes:
:>
:>pack back then. There was a whole lot more respect for one
:>another. But I can't say that I don't appreciate the new blood
:>that has come and gone over the years.
I am gonna save these words, with your permission. I am trying to create some
sort of document, don't know for what yet, of great things said here at ahww.
I have this idea of posting it to my web site, when I get the energy, so that
people can read about all the wonderful people here.
We have a tendency here to snip once in a while, some more than others. And I
have this policy that it is very easy to tell people what they are doing
wrong, but we often take for granted what they are doing right; and we should
take the time to tell each other.
Jaue Lang
<sm...@lycanthrope.net> writes:
:>
:>Timberwolf wrote:
:>
:>> Smash, thank you for the information, some of use are interested in the
:>> history of the group, and how everything came about, only so much can be
:>> gotten from the FAQs and stuff that is still posted on the group. How did
:>> the greating to the fire come about.
If we can get some of you oldtimers to post bits and pieces, perhaps with
[HIS] in the subject line, I am willing to save it and gussie it up and post
it to my site. I am good at these kinds of things. I will ensure that those
who want it are well documented in the saved information. Those who want
anonomynity are welcome to it.
The only thing. I will publish something difficult if it provided for growth.
But not anything that is just negative to be negative.
:>If anyone were ever to use a symbol for AHWW, it would
:>be the fire, because it's teh only thing that ever united everyone
:>without question. But as stated in another thread, if we
:>followed a symbol, we'd be no more than the very sheep
:>our wolfen totems might dine on.
If we look at the weresymbols again, there is one of a fire in which the fire
looks like an animal head. That one always plays in my mind as the perfect
symbol for websites. It is simple grafx with makes it even more wonderful. I
love all the weresymbols, each one for a different reason, as I have stated
[and yes, Pinky's is very very good], but the fire one is great, and touch
some sort of raw nerve.
If the person who created it could talk about it here, publically, I would be
very pleased to have that discussion.
Jaue Lang
<ki...@nex.com.au>Sun, 19 Dec 1999 01:06:58 +1100 writes:
:>
:>World Wrestling Federation, I'm guessing. Ick.
:>
Agreed!
Ever since my nephew started to watch wrestling his use of the n!gger and
f@ggot words have increased substantially. Is it possible to get steroid
increases just be watching it on tv. Maybe there are hidden messages that
stimulate the production of testosterone.
A not so unserious sigh!
Jaue Lang
<ki...@nex.com.au>Sun, 19 Dec 1999 01:10:47 +1100 writes:
:>
:>But the MARSHMALLOWS!!! Where did the MARSHMALLOWS come into it? For, as
:>everyone knows, THAT is what being were is truly about - the Hallowed
:>Marshmallow. :)
Egads, Kioma. Egads. you just gotta leave some for others.
<yank, pulled, shove, drop, bruise>
Kioma, you give me mine back, you hear me!
<picks herself up from a very undignified position on the ground>
Tell the marshmellow story will you.....
<ha, ha, ha, ha>
Netdancer
>Bryan 'SMASH' Manternach <sm...@lycanthrope.net> wrote in message
>news:385A7AC6...@lycanthrope.net...
>
>> Like I said, the web brought search indexes, and then teh gamers
>> came in, and found "Werewolf" on the web. The web was starting
>> to open up to the general public. Unfortunately, the general public
>> will never read a manual before doing anything. Most people these
>> days don't know any netiquette at all.
>
>Same thing happened to CB radio in the 70's.
>
>
>> Basicly, if you were around the newsgroup at the time of the
>> first howl in November 1993, then you are a "greymuzzle"
>>
>
>I was here in '86. There was a post for a "movie poster for sale"
>and that was all.
>
>
>My how time flies.
>
>--
>Kamatu
>
>(the previous reference to a date I was here, does not indicate I think I
>have
>a status above or beyond. Time does not indicate wisdom, wisdom does not
>indicate time. I only briefly stopped here because I had just gained access
>to
>the net and visited almost all of the newsgroups at the time. It wasn't
>until
>7 years later the newsgroup took on it's current meaning. During that time
>I spent my "computer" time on FIDOnet. The changes made here, I had
>no knowledge of as they happened.)
>
>
>
>
The two flamewar things that stick in my mind were the -big- one over gaming,
which actually hurt my feelings enough to shut me up for months here, because
*I* like role-playing games myself and I felt like I was getting trashed
along with the silly people.
The other one was the "Demonhunter" fracas, in which this trool and his pals
went so far as to make death threats against the regular posters. He had such
a -charming- personality that there was actually a discussion of his possible
edibility or lack thereof.
Something I miss from the early days: The virtual campfire with the eternal
pot of too-spicy chili that was the 'gathering point' at the center of the
newsgroup.
Kennet Netdancer
--
----------------------------------------
'A Human Being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher
a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts,
build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders,
cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure,
program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
Specialization is for insects.'
R. A. Heinlein
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Netdancer
<385B5AB5...@lycanthrope.net>:
>Timberwolf wrote:
>
>> Smash, thank you for the information, some of use are interested in the
>> history of the group, and how everything came about, only so much can be
>> gotten from the FAQs and stuff that is still posted on the group. How did
>> the greating to the fire come about.
>
>The virtual campfire was a sentimental tradition from the howls.
>It was BLOODY cold at the first howl, so we kept a fire running all
>weekend, and burned everything that wasn't alive, or bolted down...
>Everyone spent time at the fire during the event, and the fire is
>the one constant among all of us "strangers" who never met before.
>It was the center of our comunity, and brought us all together.
I remember that so well...all those flats we broke up for the HUGE fire, and
the second fire in the center of the camp. <Laugh> I was fussing that night
over some of the folks who had drunk a wee bit much, and I also remember
having a conversation with the Vampire Hunter in which he decides that
Crystal and I were exempt from hunting because we were cool :>
And did I ever have the uncomfortable tent from hell. Better to be awake then
trying to sleep, I didn't want to miss talking to people anyhow...
And that seems like it wasn't so long ago at all.
Netdancer
<83fo3...@news2.newsguy.com>:
>Bryan 'SMASH' Manternach <sm...@lycanthrope.net> wrote in message
>news:385B58D0...@lycanthrope.net...
>
>>
>> Isn't changing what werewolves are all about?
>>
>
>And yet change is met with so much resistance here.
>
>--
>Kamatu
I think it really depends on what the proposed changes are. It seems pretty
obvious to me that not all change is good or desirable.
If I could unchange something, I would like to not have stiffening and pain
in my joints, especially my hands. Unfortunately for me, it seems age is
creeping closer. Like the silver in my hair now, some things just are
unstoppable.
Humans -are- creatures of habit, and they really do resist change (Easy test
of this: Get up two hours earlier then you usually do, and -totally- ignore
all the 'routine' things you're used to doing during a day, then go to bed
two hours early. Unsettling.)
Also, I find that the older *I* get the more grumpy I get about things that
disrupt my patterns.
I'd think positive changes discussed rationally would work better overall
then 'let's do it my way' quick changes too...
Just my thoughts on the topic.
Kamatu
news:83gdp4$mch$4...@maggie.ionsys.com...
In message <tFM64.187$Ql.1...@nsw.nnrp.telstra.net> - "Kioma Winterwolf"
<ki...@nex.com.au>Sun, 19 Dec 1999 01:06:58 +1100 writes:
:>
:>World Wrestling Federation, I'm guessing. Ick.
:>
Agreed!
>>Ever since my nephew started to watch wrestling his use of the n!gger and
>>f@ggot words have increased substantially. Is it possible to get steroid
>>increases just be watching it on tv.
No, but is possible to have the logical portions of your brain disengaged.
And they say I'm dangerous.
--
Kamatu
Bryan 'SMASH' Manternach
> Not being a greymuzzle yet, what is a "WWtA RPGers" and what is "WWF".
Yeah. The WWF had this "NWO" movement going on, and it
was a bunch of rowdies... I can only guess that because one of the
wrestlers had a wolf totem symbol, that any newsgroup with
wolf, or wolves got crossposted to with all tehir spam... It was
beyond annoying...
Bryan 'SMASH' Manternach
> In message <385b571...@news.primus.com.au> - al...@web-wolf.net
> (Lucid_IceWolf) writes:
> :>
> :>Dude, I know what a Flame is. I am a Hacker after all,
> :>
> :>Lucid IceWolf
>
> And what is a hacker? I have heard so many definitions of late, that I will
> only call myself a geek, never a hacker. <grin>
I feel like I shoudn't comment, but... Yeah, a hacker is becomeing something
of a mystic word. In many shamanistic societies, it is major faux-pas to
proclaim oneself to be a shaman. Only your peers refer to you as shaman
if you fulfill that need for them. Often, I feel similar about the computer
culture. I will never refer to myself as a hacker, because my lack of my
skills,a dn what I know I still don't know, is humbling. But friends I help
with the skills I have often refer to me as a hacker...
Probably because there neer has been,and never will be a set of criteria
that one must meet in order to be measured as a "hacker"... I don't
think it's a quantitative term, but a relative term.
No offense was intended...
Bryan 'SMASH' Manternach
> How do you know if they hit your site 400 times a week?
Not hard, my dear... Logfiles wil show all the hits on the site.
Now, how he determines which of those hits are weres is beyond
me...
Bryan 'SMASH' Manternach
>
> The two flamewar things that stick in my mind were the -big- one over gaming,
> which actually hurt my feelings enough to shut me up for months here, because
> *I* like role-playing games myself and I felt like I was getting trashed
> along with the silly people.
I'm sorry if anything I said hurt you. I'm a gamer too, but I really
didn't liike what gaming did to this group in general, so I really
did lay into them rather hard...
> The other one was the "Demonhunter" fracas, in which this trool and his pals
> went so far as to make death threats against the regular posters. He had such
> a -charming- personality that there was actually a discussion of his possible
> edibility or lack thereof.
He even crashed the howl in Sterling new york. Firearms, and law
enforcement were involved... It was pretty ugly...
> Something I miss from the early days: The virtual campfire with the eternal
> pot of too-spicy chili that was the 'gathering point' at the center of the
> newsgroup.
Yep! KatmanDu's killer chili! I've gotten into the habit of making
it all the time... Not just because it reminds me of the first howl,
but beause it's so damn good! (I've been hopelessly addicted to hot-
as-hell food ever since)
Bryan 'SMASH' Manternach
> Heh. I like how ahww has evolved too.
Yeah, I really do get the impression that the spammers are finally
getting bored, and UseNet in general is slowly becoming civil again.
Bryan 'SMASH' Manternach
> Bryan 'SMASH' Manternach <sm...@lycanthrope.net> wrote in message
> news:385B58D0...@lycanthrope.net...
>
> >
> > Isn't changing what werewolves are all about?
> >
>
> And yet change is met with so much resistance here.
>
Well, I hardly call resistance to a self-proclaimed alpha
resistance to change... I would call it change itself!
LOSE THE PERSECUTION COMPLEX!
Bryan 'SMASH' Manternach
> But the MARSHMALLOWS!!! Where did the MARSHMALLOWS come into it? For, as
> everyone knows, THAT is what being were is truly about - the Hallowed
> Marshmallow. :)
Crystal,and WindWolf brought so damn many marshmellows to the
howl, we could have eaten nothing but marshmellows all weekend...
So they started passing virtual leftovers around the virtual fire after
the howl...
Once in a lifetime
>
> Kamatu wrote:
>
> >
> > I was here in '86. There was a post for a "movie poster for sale"
> > and that was all.
> >
> > My how time flies.
> >
>
STOP MAKING SENSE
Bryan 'SMASH' Manternach
if it is ever piblished...
Jaue Lang wrote:
> In message <385B58D0...@lycanthrope.net> - Bryan 'SMASH' Manternach
> <sm...@lycanthrope.net> writes:
> :>
> :>I have to admit that I miss the kinship of the somewhat smaller
> :>pack back then. There was a whole lot more respect for one
> :>another. But I can't say that I don't appreciate the new blood
> :>that has come and gone over the years.
>
> I am gonna save these words, with your permission. I am trying to create some
> sort of document, don't know for what yet, of great things said here at ahww.
> I have this idea of posting it to my web site, when I get the energy, so that
> people can read about all the wonderful people here.
>
> We have a tendency here to snip once in a while, some more than others. And I
> have this policy that it is very easy to tell people what they are doing
> wrong, but we often take for granted what they are doing right; and we should
> take the time to tell each other.
>
--
Kamatu
> Jaue Lang wrote:
>
> > How do you know if they hit your site 400 times a week?
>
> Not hard, my dear... Logfiles wil show all the hits on the site.
> Now, how he determines which of those hits are weres is beyond
> me...
IP tracing is a wonderful hobby.
--
Kamatu
Kamatu
> Netdancer wrote:
> He even crashed the howl in Sterling new york. Firearms, and law
> enforcement were involved... It was pretty ugly...
>
Yeah, funny how the story has grown from firecrackers to sticks of dynamite
in as little as 6 years. But this time next year maybe it will be scud
missles.
--
Kamatu
Kamatu
> >
> > >
> > > Isn't changing what werewolves are all about?
> > >
> >
> > And yet change is met with so much resistance here.
> >
>
> Well, I hardly call resistance to a self-proclaimed alpha
> resistance to change... I would call it change itself!
>
> LOSE THE PERSECUTION COMPLEX!
>
why do you insist on flamebaiting me with your demands over me?
Can't you see it isn't working?
--
Kamatu
Clerk at Alpha Beta
Bryan 'SMASH' Manternach
> STOP MAKING SENSE
Oh... Sorry!... I'll go beat my cranium with the ball peen hammer
some more so I can scramble things back up... (Gryn!)
Howls!
--SMASH
Bryan 'SMASH' Manternach
> Bryan 'SMASH' Manternach <sm...@lycanthrope.net> wrote in message
> news:385BEB2B...@lycanthrope.net...
> > Jaue Lang wrote:
> >
> > > How do you know if they hit your site 400 times a week?
> >
> > Not hard, my dear... Logfiles wil show all the hits on the site.
> > Now, how he determines which of those hits are weres is beyond
> > me...
>
> IP tracing is a wonderful hobby.
Dude. You have absolutely NO idea where I am coming from, or anyon
eis coming from. There isn't any way you could find out where I am
browsing from unless you one-by-one, got the info from all the ISP's
inline. Why do you think it takes the FBI several days to track down
an 18-year old AOLer in Florida for making threats on Instant Messenger.
They have to go to court, adn subpoena the records!
Whatever, dude...
Bryan 'SMASH' Manternach
> Yeah, funny how the story has grown from firecrackers to sticks of dynamite
> in as little as 6 years. But this time next year maybe it will be scud
> missles.
I'm just glad I wasn't there...
Bryan 'SMASH' Manternach
> why do you insist on flamebaiting me with your demands over me?
> Can't you see it isn't working?
If you have anything further on this thread, please direct off-topic
replied to me in e-mail. Heaven forbid we start another flamewar...
barbara turner
know what connection is there. Moonwolf
Bryan 'SMASH' Manternach
> Hmm, BTW, who was there at that time? I remember you, Pokey,
> KatmanDu, Siobhan/Netdancer... Was STriker already there?
> Who else?
God, yes, that was a LONG time ago... I don't
even remembeer everyone... Let see. Striker was
one of the originals, there before I was, I believe..
Firewolf, Windowlf, Crystal, Werebear, Redwolf,
Torrle, Ysengrin, KatmanDu, Coyote, Pokey,
Dave Aftandilian/Wolfshadow, Vladwolf, Asikaa,
DreamWolf (The forst one), Erik Dujardin, fEk,
Fenris/Fenrisgrey, The original GoldenWolf,
Hiker (How could I forget!), Holger Alsmeier,
Keith Pepin(VaxWolf/DECWolf), Lycanthrope,
Raven (Abagail Grey), Rimblesah, Shewolf (Melissa),
Silver-Night (Dave Rust), Siobhan, Simba (Vance
Sanborn), Snowlock (Reg J.A. Rozee), Thorn (James),
Walks-between-worlds/Walksie (Sabine Woods),
Wendy Hibbs, Whisper (Laura Franklin), Windigo
The Feral (Paula Bailey), Windrunner (Mike Reeve,
Torrle's buddy..), Winterdreamer (James Harrion III,
first california were I met), Wolfbard (D.J. Sylvis),
Wolfie from liverpool, England, Ravnos, Werewolf
the hunter/Hunter,
Now I have to dig out theoriginal "AHWW Werecard
Zine", published Winter 1994 to find the more
obscure ones...
NightWolf, OttO, Christopher, Laughing Grey,
The Polymorph (Pierre Anthony Ketteridge),
Sami Korhonen, Sandman, Stilletto, Vulpian,
Werebat,
This prompts me to do some research... I need to find the
extra copies of the howl flyers I mailed out. I know
I have em stashed someplace. I know I found the group
in winter 1992, but I don't think the howl happened till I
was in college in 1993. I remember it being around
thanksgiving sometime... Either 1993, or 1994... Hmmm.
I did find the howl pictures though!
Back to digging in the old file boxes...
Howls~
Kamatu
> Kamatu wrote:
>
> > Bryan 'SMASH' Manternach <sm...@lycanthrope.net> wrote in message
> > news:385BEB2B...@lycanthrope.net...
> > > Jaue Lang wrote:
> > >
> > > > How do you know if they hit your site 400 times a week?
> > >
> > > Not hard, my dear... Logfiles wil show all the hits on the site.
> > > Now, how he determines which of those hits are weres is beyond
> > > me...
> >
> > IP tracing is a wonderful hobby.
>
> Dude. You have absolutely NO idea where I am coming from, or anyon
> eis coming from. There isn't any way you could find out where I am
> browsing from unless you one-by-one, got the info from all the ISP's
> inline. Why do you think it takes the FBI several days to track down
> an 18-year old AOLer in Florida for making threats on Instant Messenger.
>
> They have to go to court, adn subpoena the records!
>
> Whatever, dude...
>
Jeez, just because it can't be done by you, doesn't mean someone else
couldn't do it.
You like pikachu?
--
Kamatu
Kamatu
> Kamatu wrote:
>
> > Yeah, funny how the story has grown from firecrackers to sticks of
dynamite
> > in as little as 6 years. But this time next year maybe it will be scud
> > missles.
>
> I'm just glad I wasn't there...
>
Objection, Your Honor, hearsay, I move to have this testimony stricken from
the records!
--
Kamatu
Kamatu
> Kamatu wrote:
>
> > why do you insist on flamebaiting me with your demands over me?
> > Can't you see it isn't working?
>
> If you have anything further on this thread, please direct off-topic
> replied to me in e-mail. Heaven forbid we start another flamewar...
>
The topic IS flamewars.
--
Kamatu
J. Raoul Xemblinosky III
>
> Ponty the singing WerePontiac wrote:
>
> > Heh. I like how ahww has evolved too.
>
> Yeah, I really do get the impression that the spammers are finally
> getting bored, and UseNet in general is slowly becoming civil again.
Don't let the Cabal hear you saying things like that, Brian. They
really hate it when someone makes a comment like that.
- J. Raoul Xemblinosky III =-=-=-=-=-=-= -- . --- .-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
a.f.k-m.n | "BTW Raoul is a spic, fruit picker who needs
VoAU (L) | immigration called on his wet-back ass!!!!"
HTH/HAND/M | - Dimas Nava shows Mexican pride, 01/04/97
- http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=229832140 =-=-= mhm 15x12 =-=-=
Kioma Winterwolf
> > Not being a greymuzzle yet, what is a "WWtA RPGers" and what is "WWF".
>
> sure about the second - the World Wildlife Foundation comes ot mind, but I
> rather doubt that's it...
World Wrestling Federation, I'm guessing. Ick.
Kioma
--
________
|\_/| +----------------------------------------+
/@ @\ | All the world's the stage... |
\ / -| Damn! Missed my cue! |
^ +----------------------------------------+
Kioma Winterwolf
everyone knows, THAT is what being were is truly about - the Hallowed
Marshmallow. :)
Kioma
Lucid_IceWolf
>In message <385b571...@news.primus.com.au> - al...@web-wolf.net
>(Lucid_IceWolf) writes:
>:>
>:>Dude, I know what a Flame is. I am a Hacker after all,
>:>
>:>Lucid IceWolf
>
>And what is a hacker? I have heard so many definitions of late, that I will
>only call myself a geek, never a hacker. <grin>
>
'nuff said :)
Lucid IceWolf
>
>___________________________________________________________________
> May I gain strength from actions against me!
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>Threats are not tools for instruction: http://web.ionsys.com/~jaue
>
Jaue Lang
barbt...@webtv.net (barbara turner)Sat, 18 Dec 1999 17:14:36 -0600 (CST)
writes:
:>
:>WWF? I'm guessing "World Wrestling Federation", but I'm damned if I
:>know what connection is there. Moonwolf
Well, then, let's own this moniker....
World Were Federation
Weres Who Feed
What Werewolves, Fool?
We one first
.........
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May I gain strength from actions against me!
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BleuLynx
>everyone knows, THAT is what being were is truly about - the Hallowed
>Marshmallow. :)
I am still on my Boycott Marshmellows campaign! The use of marshmellows
without a vegetarian option is discriminatory to those of us who choose not to
eat meat.
*sits on the corner and munches on the chocolate and graham crackers*
disclaimer: There is no Boycott Marshmellows campaign, I don't actually expect
everyone to start passing out tofu or something.
*~BleuLynx~*
>^..^<
"Attention to health is life's greatest hindrance." -- Plato
"Plato is a bore." -- Neitzsche
"Neitzsche was stupid and abnormal." -- Tolstoy
"I'm not going to get into it with Tolstoy." -- Hemingway
BleuLynx
>disrupt my patterns.
I get anxiety attacks when my routine is thrown out of whack. And I'm young!
I'll prolly pop my head off or something when I'm older..
Timberwolf
Jaue Lang wrote in message <83g2e4$jh9$6...@maggie.ionsys.com>...
In message <385B5AB5...@lycanthrope.net> - Bryan 'SMASH' Manternach
<sm...@lycanthrope.net> writes:
:>If anyone were ever to use a symbol for AHWW, it would
:>be the fire, because it's teh only thing that ever united everyone
:>without question. But as stated in another thread, if we
:>followed a symbol, we'd be no more than the very sheep
:>our wolfen totems might dine on.
>If we look at the weresymbols again, there is one of a fire in which the
fire
>looks like an animal head. That one always plays in my mind as the perfect
>symbol for websites. It is simple grafx with makes it even more wonderful.
I
>love all the weresymbols, each one for a different reason, as I have stated
>[and yes, Pinky's is very very good], but the fire one is great, and touch
>some sort of raw nerve.
>
>If the person who created it could talk about it here, publically, I would
be
>very pleased to have that discussion.
>
In doing the symbols I came up with two and one of them was for a fire
with the full moon in the dack ground and the grounddividing the symbol in
half inside a six sided frame based on some of what I learned of the lakota
tribe. I did not submit it for another had already ddone that. the other
symbol was of a women on one side and a wolf on the other side oa a full
moon with a walking stick deviding it. this was to complex so did not submit
it.as well. I enjoyed many of the posted symbols and their explainations for
each.
As always,
Timberwolf
The ear hears the call of the night,
and the spirit from with in responds,
aaarrrroooooo!
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May I gain strength from actions against me!
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___ _/\_ ______ ____ ___ ___ ___ __ ______ ____
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Timberwolf
Bryan 'SMASH' Manternach wrote in message
<385BEAC3...@lycanthrope.net>...
>Jaue Lang wrote:
>
>> In message <385b571...@news.primus.com.au> - al...@web-wolf.net
>> (Lucid_IceWolf) writes:
>> :>
>> :>Dude, I know what a Flame is. I am a Hacker after all,
>> :>
>> :>Lucid IceWolf
>>
>> And what is a hacker? I have heard so many definitions of late, that I
will
>> only call myself a geek, never a hacker. <grin>
>
something
>of a mystic word. In many shamanistic societies, it is major faux-pas to
>proclaim oneself to be a shaman. Only your peers refer to you as shaman
>if you fulfill that need for them. Often, I feel similar about the
computer
>culture. I will never refer to myself as a hacker, because my lack of my
>skills,a dn what I know I still don't know, is humbling. But friends I
help
>with the skills I have often refer to me as a hacker...
>
>Probably because there neer has been,and never will be a set of criteria
>that one must meet in order to be measured as a "hacker"... I don't
>think it's a quantitative term, but a relative term.
>
>No offense was intended...
>
>
Also true of an individual how builds computers gets dubbed as a computer
expert and a programmer. I do both for fun but have never called my self
eather one. I just learned a few tricks and can get a little out of a
machine. But I can always find someone better at both tasks. Like the alpha
of a group one is looked at for it from the group and not self appointed.
Just as a shaman is accepted by a group that feels he or she is one, and
just because you are appointed does not mean your are right for it or are
one.
Form my experience it is good to be in the back ground until needed where
I can help and or add to the discussion.
Timberwolf
Netdancer wrote in message
<8EA08A58Dnetda...@news.mindspring.com>...
>kam...@thechangingtimes.com (Kamatu) wrote in
<83dv9...@news2.newsguy.com>:>>news:385A7AC6...@lycanthrope.net...
>>
>>> Like I said, the web brought search indexes, and then teh gamers
>>> came in, and found "Werewolf" on the web. The web was starting
>>> to open up to the general public. Unfortunately, the general public
>>> will never read a manual before doing anything. Most people these
>>> days don't know any netiquette at all.
>>
>>Same thing happened to CB radio in the 70's.
>>
>>
>>> Basicly, if you were around the newsgroup at the time of the
>>> first howl in November 1993, then you are a "greymuzzle"
>>>
>>
>>I was here in '86. There was a post for a "movie poster for sale"
>>and that was all.
>>
>>
>>My how time flies.
>>
>>Kamatu
>>
>>(the previous reference to a date I was here, does not indicate I think I
>>have
>>a status above or beyond. Time does not indicate wisdom, wisdom does not
>>indicate time. I only briefly stopped here because I had just gained
access
>>to
>>the net and visited almost all of the newsgroups at the time. It wasn't
>>until
>>7 years later the newsgroup took on it's current meaning. During that time
>>I spent my "computer" time on FIDOnet. The changes made here, I had
>>no knowledge of as they happened.)
>>
>The two flamewar things that stick in my mind were the -big- one over
gaming,
>which actually hurt my feelings enough to shut me up for months here,
because
>*I* like role-playing games myself and I felt like I was getting trashed
>along with the silly people.
>
>The other one was the "Demonhunter" fracas, in which this trool and his
pals
>went so far as to make death threats against the regular posters. He had
such
>a -charming- personality that there was actually a discussion of his
possible
>edibility or lack thereof.
>
>Something I miss from the early days: The virtual campfire with the eternal
>pot of too-spicy chili that was the 'gathering point' at the center of the
>newsgroup.
>
I herd much about this when I talked to Guardian, Werwolf and Timberwolf
from Texas when I tried to set up a howl here in New Jersey, they all worned
me in keeping the location secure and to find a more direct way to get the
location information to them. I had one other were show up to it, though
there was seven others to be there that cancelled out a few weeks before. I
went with it and learned a bit on setting up a Howl. I may try it again.
Timberwolf
Kamatu wrote in message <83h0q...@news2.newsguy.com>...
>> Jaue Lang wrote:
>>
>> > How do you know if they hit your site 400 times a week?
>>
>> Not hard, my dear... Logfiles wil show all the hits on the site.
>> Now, how he determines which of those hits are weres is beyond
>> me...
>
>
>IP tracing is a wonderful hobby.
>
give the computer id that enters your web site, it is part of the sat
information built into the program, the cookie, it also looks like the
access information so you can back tract, I can tell which machine is on
line <server> or a private machine on line, with the information I can get
back to some of the machines if they are on line and that is about all I can
do with the information. if any of you have a xoom or geo counter or guest
book it is one of the options to it. The log files, which was designed to
monitor market effect.
Kioma Winterwolf
> disclaimer: There is no Boycott Marshmellows campaign, I don't actually
expect
> everyone to start passing out tofu or something.
It's a sad, sad time when the members of this newsgroup sink so low that
they need a disclaimer like this to stop them from bickering, snapping at
each others' heels and just generally flaming the crap out of each other.
<thinks about this>
It's a sad, sad time, people...
MegaDog the Nettweiler
<spatu...@aol.com> scrobe:
>>But the MARSHMALLOWS!!! Where did the MARSHMALLOWS come into it? For, as
>>everyone knows, THAT is what being were is truly about - the Hallowed
>>Marshmallow. :)
>
> I am still on my Boycott Marshmellows campaign! The use of marshmellows
>without a vegetarian option is discriminatory to those of us who choose not to
>eat meat.
Hmmm... since when was a marshmallow an animal? And how do they
get them to be so *pink*? Do they perhaps feed them on a special
diet like they do with flamingoes in zoos??
ObAHWW: It snowed here last night! Woo Hoo! Bring on the cute Huskies!
--
----------------!Raised Tails!-------------------:MegaDog:-------------
http://www.canismajor.demon.co.uk/index.htm
"Smash the pig; this pork is mine. I'm pining for the pork of the porcupine"
Jaue Lang
<ki...@nex.com.au> writes:
:>
:>
:>> disclaimer: There is no Boycott Marshmellows campaign, I don't actually
:>> expect everyone to start passing out tofu or something.
tofu? TOFU! Egas, whose Idea was this? If that Kioma is promoting this
campaign to keep all the marshmallows.....
:>It's a sad, sad time when the members of this newsgroup sink so low that
:>they need a disclaimer like this to stop them from bickering, snapping at
:>each others' heels and just generally flaming the crap out of each other.
<gulp, shiver, grins>
:><thinks about this>
:>It's a sad, sad time, people...
So, does this mean that you are NOT a part of this BOYCOTT MARSHMALLOWS
campaign!
<spry grin>
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Jaue Lang
<megadog@canismo^Hajor.da^Hemon.co.uk> writes:
:>
:>In article <19991218224106...@ng-cn1.aol.com>, BleuLynx
:><spatu...@aol.com> scrobe:
:>>>But the MARSHMALLOWS!!! Where did the MARSHMALLOWS come into it? For, as
:>>>everyone knows, THAT is what being were is truly about - the Hallowed
:>>>Marshmallow. :)
:>>
:>> I am still on my Boycott Marshmellows campaign! The use of marshmellows
:>>without a vegetarian option is discriminatory to those of us who choose not to
:>>eat meat.
HERE IN CANADA, YOU SAY, MARSHMALLOWS ARE COMPLETELY VEGETARIAN, BUT STILL BAD
FOR YOU. They are made with 100% vegetable oil [palm oil] and lots and lots
of SUGAR!
:>Hmmm... since when was a marshmallow an animal? And how do they
:>get them to be so *pink*? Do they perhaps feed them on a special
:>diet like they do with flamingoes in zoos??
You mean, oh my, you mean, flamigo pink is like that due to their feed....
:>ObAHWW: It snowed here last night! Woo Hoo! Bring on the cute Huskies!
Gosh, darn, even England is getting snow. But you think Toronto can. No way.
Even Vancouver Island is getting more snow than we are. If we have another
rainy Winter, I think I will just scream....
ME NO GO TO NO HOWLING IF THERE IS TOFU! ME WANTS MEAT, LOTS AND LOTS OF
MEAT! SO MUCH MEAT, THAT THERE IS ENOUGH FOR MY DOGS AS WELL!
___________________________________________________________________
Danger, alpha female: You have been warned!
MegaDog the Nettweiler
scrobe:
>In message <d75pFHAR...@canismajor.demon.co.uk> - MegaDog the Nettweiler
><megadog@canismo^Hajor.da^Hemon.co.uk> writes:
>:>Hmmm... since when was a marshmallow an animal? And how do they
>:>get them to be so *pink*? Do they perhaps feed them on a special
>:>diet like they do with flamingoes in zoos??
>
>You mean, oh my, you mean, flamigo pink is like that due to their feed....
Yep - they eat certain shrimps, which naturally contain a chemical
[whose name i forget] which makes their feathers go pink. It's the
same chemical that makes cooked lobsters go red...
>:>ObAHWW: It snowed here last night! Woo Hoo! Bring on the cute Huskies!
>
>Gosh, darn, even England is getting snow. But you think Toronto can. No way.
> Even Vancouver Island is getting more snow than we are. If we have another
>rainy Winter, I think I will just scream....
Perhaps i'll put in a word with the Snow Bunny, and get him to pop
over to Canada when he's finished here?
--
!Raised Tails! -:MegaDog:-
Jaue Lang
<megadog@canismo^Hajor.da^Hemon.co.uk>Sun, 19 Dec 1999 13:43:34 +0000 writes:
:>
:>Yep - they eat certain shrimps, which naturally contain a chemical
:>[whose name i forget] which makes their feathers go pink. It's the
:>same chemical that makes cooked lobsters go red...
I never knew that? Amazing what you learn here.
:>Perhaps i'll put in a word with the Snow Bunny, and get him to pop
:>over to Canada when he's finished here?
Is that pop or poop over Canada? <ha!>
Jaue Lang
<ki...@nex.com.au>Mon, 20 Dec 1999 00:50:30 +1100 writes:
:>
:>>So, does this mean that you are NOT a part of this BOYCOTT MARSHMALLOWS
:>>campaign!
:>
:><looks taken aback> Jeez, Jaue, cut back on the red cordial!
What is red cordial?
BleuLynx
>get them to be so *pink*? Do they perhaps feed them on a special
>diet like they do with flamingoes in zoos??
Marshmallows contain gelatin which is either made from a type of seaweed (I
think the name is agar agar) or animal bones. However, they never tell you
which kind of gelatin they use on the ingredients labels on packages, so as a
vegetarian I have to avoid all products containing gelatin.
BleuLynx
>[whose name i forget] which makes their feathers go pink. It's the
>same chemical that makes cooked lobsters go red...
I never knew that! Does the shrimp have any effects on the flamingo's health?
Uath
>But the MARSHMALLOWS!!! Where did the MARSHMALLOWS come into it? For, as
>everyone knows, THAT is what being were is truly about - the Hallowed
>Marshmallow. :)
Not just the marshmallows but the toblerones and the nutella. I had
never heard of such things before AHWw and can't go back to before
being tantilised by that which graces the taste buds of our UK
companions.
Uath
--
http://www.were.net/~uath/
"Beyond the darkest corner of imagination
Sparks the power to alter reality."
MegaDog the Nettweiler
<spatu...@aol.com> scrobe:
>>Yep - they eat certain shrimps, which naturally contain a chemical
>>[whose name i forget] which makes their feathers go pink. It's the
>>same chemical that makes cooked lobsters go red...
>
> I never knew that! Does the shrimp have any effects on the flamingo's health?
No - it's what they'd naturally eat. The only "effect" it has on
them is to make them turn pink.
Whether the flamingoes actually *care* about being fashion-victims
or not i don't know. Perhaps someone should point out to them that
pink is just so utterly 1980's.... dammit, they'll be wearing plaid
and flares next!
--
!Raised Tails! -:MegaDog:-
This posting has been cold-filtered and cask aged for a smooth, full flavour
Jaue Lang
(BleuLynx)19 Dec 1999 16:34:09 GMT writes:
:>
:> Marshmallows contain gelatin which is either made from a type of seaweed (I
:>think the name is agar agar) or animal bones. However, they never tell you
:>which kind of gelatin they use on the ingredients labels on packages, so as a
:>vegetarian I have to avoid all products containing gelatin.
Agar agar, yes! But, methinks that most gelatin in Norte America is made from
swine marrow. That also makes it not kosher.
Geez? Have we done a herbivore, onmivore, carnivore sort of survey.
Me, I could be carnivore, no troubs...SURPRISE....
I had a steak so juicy on friday, it was all I could do to wait for it to be
done medium rare........
sorry, just get hungry.
And now I remember, this has been done to death...<sad grin>
Jaue Lang
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blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
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Oops, the drool clogged the windpipes...<grin>
Cat X.
not be traditional, but Howlie brough 'em to the Mississippi Howl and
they were addictive.
barbara turner
here....... Moonwolf
Timberwolf
MegaDog the Nettweiler wrote in message ...
as
>>>everyone knows, THAT is what being were is truly about - the Hallowed
>>>Marshmallow. :)
>>
>>without a vegetarian option is discriminatory to those of us who choose
not to
>>eat meat.
>
>get them to be so *pink*? Do they perhaps feed them on a special
>diet like they do with flamingoes in zoos??
>
diet does not cantain sugar in it normally. I am not about to try it on
them. They are fun as they are.
>
>ObAHWW: It snowed here last night! Woo Hoo! Bring on the cute Huskies!
It snowed here a week ago just a lite dusting, nothing to cover the ground,
but it was neat, miss the snow fall , *opens door and lets the Huskies in! *
Timberwolf
Jaue Lang wrote in message <83il5v$keq$2...@maggie.ionsys.com>...
In message <Uf174.70$Yz....@nsw.nnrp.telstra.net> - "Kioma Winterwolf"
<ki...@nex.com.au> writes:
:>
:>
:>> disclaimer: There is no Boycott Marshmellows campaign, I don't actually
:>> expect everyone to start passing out tofu or something.
tofu? TOFU! Egas, whose Idea was this? If that Kioma is promoting this
campaign to keep all the marshmallows.....
>
Now do not start me on TOFU I just burried the last pack in the back yard, I
will stick to marshmellows for the sugar high.
:>It's a sad, sad time when the members of this newsgroup sink so low that
:>they need a disclaimer like this to stop them from bickering, snapping at
:>each others' heels and just generally flaming the crap out of each other.
<gulp, shiver, grins>
<snickers*tailwags*>
:><thinks about this>
:>It's a sad, sad time, people...
So, does this mean that you are NOT a part of this BOYCOTT MARSHMALLOWS
campaign!
<spry grin>
Bryan 'SMASH' Manternach
>
> Jeez, just because it can't be done by you, doesn't mean someone else
> couldn't do it.
OK, I want one example of how someone could find out
when it is me hitting the site.
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Kamatu
> Kamatu wrote:
>
> >
> > Jeez, just because it can't be done by you, doesn't mean someone else
> > couldn't do it.
>
> OK, I want one example of how someone could find out
>
> when it is me hitting the site.
>
Oh puhleeze.
I suppose next you'll want one example of someone shapeshifting.
--
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Kioma Winterwolf
>campaign!
<looks taken aback> Jeez, Jaue, cut back on the red cordial!
Kioma
Kioma Winterwolf
>What is red cordial?
Cordial that is red..? You don't have cordial over in Canada? Or do you
not have red?
Jaue Lang
STEPPE...@webtv.net (Cat X.)Sun, 19 Dec 1999 15:09:25 -0600 (CST) writes:
:>
:>WHAT? no Nutella? No Jelly Babies? No Bone-eos? ~ Ok, Jelly Babies may
:>not be traditional, but Howlie brough 'em to the Mississippi Howl and
:>they were addictive.
My most profound apologies to the STILL-KIDS-AT-HEART Associationk, but I
don't like nut butters. Therefore, I don't eat Nutella. I don't know what
Jelly Babies are. And Bone-eos are a mystery to me.
But what the heck, this is not copyrighted.
:>blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
:>blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
:>blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
The above has been left for those who wish to contribute
Please note, contributing with be on an individual nature, and will not
represent the were community at large.
<evil, sly grin>
Zenwolf1960
>>Yep - they eat certain shrimps, which naturally contain a chemical
>>[whose name i forget] which makes their feathers go pink. It's the
>>same chemical that makes cooked lobsters go red...
>
> I never knew that! Does the shrimp have any effects on the flamingo's
>health?
> *~BleuLynx~*
> >^..^<
Yes,it keeps the birds alive*grin*.The chemical in question is iodine(Im 95%
sure).BTW,tofu is only as good as the chef preparing it.MineRULES.Hows yours?
Zenwolf
Kioma Winterwolf
barbara turner <barbt...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:16527-38...@storefull-161.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> Well, we /were/ offering salad when Iceshard the werehorse was
> here....... Moonwolf
<sniff>
Kioma Misses Iceshard