Pron. of "Dunwich"
Ulrich Schreitmueller
I was wondering: Just how do you pronounce Dunwich: "Done Witch" or
"Dunnitch"?
Since Dunwich is also a real place in England, the pronunciation might
be analogous to Greenwich, which is also pronounced "Grennitch", not
"Green Witch"...
Uli
Peter Worthy
Being in England, I always assumed that it was - as you have already said -
pronounced 'Dunnitch". This seemed to be backed up by material in "The
Lurker at the Threshold" where the town seems to have originally been called
New Dunnich, I think.
However, I am not sure whether that was in a fragment that Lovecraft wrote
himself or a piece that Derleth elaborated.
Warmest regards,
Peter
Karl Kluge
It's hard to be certain how fictional residents of a fictional town pronounce
the name. There's a Versailles in PA which is pronounced "Versails" (and
Grosse Pointe in MI is pronounced "Gross Point"), so just because the UK
Dunwich is "Dunitch" doesn't mean the degenerate inhabitants of HPL's town
wouldn't pronounce it "Dunwhich" -- in fact, my guess as I write this would
be that the bulk of the inhabitants call it "Dunwhich", but the Bishops and
other remnants of the local aristocracy call it "Dunitch".
Dan Clore
Upon seeing the original post, I eagerly dug out my copy of
Derleth's _Some Notes on H.P. Lovecraft_, which gives the
original fragments he used for _Lurker_. Sure enough, there
is "New Dunnich", but he notes afterward that he had
substituted this for HPL's "New Plymouth". I'd still go with
"Dunnich" as the pronunciation.
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Ulrich Schreitmueller
> so just because the UK Dunwich is "Dunitch" doesn't mean the degenerate
> inhabitants of HPL's town wouldn't pronounce it "Dunwhich" -- in fact, my guess
> as I write this would be that the bulk of the inhabitants call it "Dunwhich",
> but the Bishops and
> other remnants of the local aristocracy call it "Dunitch".
I like that idea. That's how I'm going to handle in in my RPG rounds... :-)
Uli
Mike Tice
> the name. There's a Versailles in PA which is pronounced "Versails" (and
> Grosse Pointe in MI is pronounced "Gross Point"),
and Cairo, IL is Cay-roe
and New Madrid, MO is New MADDrid
and Des Moines, IA is duh MOIN
I just give up on those Midwestern types. Oops, wait a minute, I live
in Loce Ahng-el-ess. Or I used to, before all those Midwesterners
moved to California. Okies go home!
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Donovan K. Loucks
wrote,
Although fictional Dunwich is in Massachusetts, perhaps we can take a cue
from Lovecraft's comments on place name pronunciations in Rhode Island:
Local usage often varies the pronunciation of both personal & place
names. Rhode Island is very conservative, & sticks to old British
pronunciations obsolescent elsewhere in the U.S. We pronounce Greenwich
as Grinn'idge, (in N.Y. & Conn. they call it Gren'-itch), Norwich as
Norridge, Thames as Tems, (in Conn. Tames), Berkeley as Bark'ley, Warwick
as War'ick, Olney as O'ney, & so on. (HPL to Duane W. Rimel, 8 October
1934)
Thus, Dunwich would be pronounced Dunn'idge, while identically named towns
in New York and Connecticut would be called Dun'-itch.
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Robin Low
<webm...@hplovecraft.com> writes
>Ulrich Schreitmueller <ulrich.sch...@student.uni-tuebingen.de>
>wrote,
>
> I was wondering: Just how do you pronounce Dunwich: "Done Witch" or
> "Dunnitch"? Since Dunwich is also a real place in England, the
> pronunciation might be analogous to Greenwich, which is also pronounced
> "Grennitch", not "Green Witch"...
>
>Although fictional Dunwich is in Massachusetts, perhaps we can take a cue
>from Lovecraft's comments on place name pronunciations in Rhode Island:
>
> Local usage often varies the pronunciation of both personal & place
> names. Rhode Island is very conservative, & sticks to old British
> pronunciations obsolescent elsewhere in the U.S. We pronounce Greenwich
> as Grinn'idge, (in N.Y. & Conn. they call it Gren'-itch), Norwich as
> Norridge, Thames as Tems, (in Conn. Tames), Berkeley as Bark'ley, Warwick
> as War'ick, Olney as O'ney, & so on. (HPL to Duane W. Rimel, 8 October
> 1934)
>
>Thus, Dunwich would be pronounced Dunn'idge, while identically named towns
>in New York and Connecticut would be called Dun'-itch.
Incidentally, in the UK this could get even more confusing when you take
into account strong local accents. For example, Norwich UK is in the
county of Norfolk and the Norfolk accent can be quite strong and
distinctive. Many of those born-and-bred in Norfolk tend to pronounce
Norwich as something closer to Nar-rich or Nar-ridge, with the emphasis
on the Nar.
On the outskirts of Norwich we have a place called Colney. I pronounce
it coalnee (said quickly, with no pause between coal and nee). However,
plenty of locals pronounce it Conee.
Then there's the problem with Bath. The locals and most people in
southern England would pronounce it Barth. Those from northern England
(no where near Bath) insist that the word is simply Bath (pronounced
with a short lower-case 'a') - Barth is considered an upper-class,
snobby southern affectation.
Regards
Robin
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Drew Baker
the UK (or at least the site of it as it slipped into the sea due to costal
errosion, or at least thats what they tell us) the local accent of
Norfolk/Suffolk pronounces it as Dahnch with the "ah" as in the sound you
make when the doctor say's open up and say "ah" and the "ch" as in church,
us "locals" from a bit futher away call it Dunitch though as Mr Wothey said
previously.
If I recall correctly the place name breaks down as Dun meaning Fort
(presumably a Roman one as they litterd the cost of East Anglia, now sadly
gone the way of Dunwich) and Wich (derived from wick) meaning marsh. Do you
either have the fort in the marsh (why would some one build a fort in a
marsh?) or Marsh Fort (as in the family). Now there must be some scope for a
scenario/story set in our green and plesant land. On a similar topic RPG
players might like to track down White Dwarf's CoC scenario "The Watchers of
Warbleswick", based in the area, it was the first mythos related thing I
read and it totaly blew me away!
For those of you who really want more here are some links
Underwater archeolgy searching for Dunwich
http://www.dse-plc.com/content/english/lcod/default.asp
The lost churches of Dunwich (as a kid I remember picking up bones, human
ones, of the beach)
http://www.suffolkchurches.co.uk/dunwichas.html
Regs D
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Richard Magrath
>Berkeley as Bark'ley, Warwick
> as War'ick,
I'm pretty much used to the American pronunication of Berkeley, but
how else can you say "Warwick" other than "War'ick"?
By the way, I'm unfamiliar with the pronunciation of "-wich" as
"-idge". Was this a very archaic thing, or have I been walking around
with my ears closed? I speak fairly mumbly at times anyway...
Rich
Gregory L. Hansen
And how is "Worcestershire" really pronounced?
--
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-- Henry Louis Mencken
Andrew Hossain
just down the road is Dulwich Village and us Sarf Lundun locals tend to say
it as if the two words rhyme or mumbled as the one word "DullidgeVillidge".
But Dulwich is just "Dullich". But as anyone can tell you The Village is
definitely the posh bit.
Ever since I started reading Lovecraft and The Mythos, all those years ago,
I always instinctinly read the 'N' as an 'L', and I think it was the title
of "The Dunwich Horror" and that old CoC scenario, "Death In Dunwich" that
caught my eye and young mind imagining all the horrors going on my home
town.
Andy H
Shonokin
>In article <d7983a51.02062...@posting.google.com>,
>Richard Magrath <ltri...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>>"Donovan K. Loucks" <webm...@hplovecraft.com> wrote in message
>>news:<aerm0o$5l9$1...@paperboy.getnet.net>...
>>
>>
>>
>>>Berkeley as Bark'ley, Warwick
>>> as War'ick,
>>>
>>>
>>I'm pretty much used to the American pronunication of Berkeley, but
>>how else can you say "Warwick" other than "War'ick"?
>>
>>By the way, I'm unfamiliar with the pronunciation of "-wich" as
>>"-idge". Was this a very archaic thing, or have I been walking around
>>with my ears closed? I speak fairly mumbly at times anyway...
>>
>>Rich
>>
>>
>
>
>And how is "Worcestershire" really pronounced?
>
>
>
"Wershta-shersta-shersta-sher"
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Shonokin
I lived on a Warwick Blvd in Kansas City. The locals pronounced it "War
Wick"
Richard Magrath
>
> And how is "Worcestershire" really pronounced?
Wuh-stuh-shuh. No 'r's. Notice how the pronunciation is scarily
similar to that of Cthulhu? That's Southerners for you.
Rich
Ulrich Schreitmueller
> > And how is "Worcestershire" really pronounced?
>
> Wuh-stuh-shuh. No 'r's. Notice how the pronunciation is scarily
> similar to that of Cthulhu? That's Southerners for you.
By the way: How do you pronounce Cthulhu?
Personally, I'm somewhere between "K-too-loo", "Koo-thool-hoo" and "Raymond Luxury Yacht".
Uli
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I don't think so. I've always understood the "u"s in "Cthulhu" to be
long.
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Richard Magrath
K-thool-oo, though bearing in mind that in the original story (as far
as I can remember) the name "Cthulhu" was transcribed by ear (though
there's always the argument that since it was telepathy of a sort from
C. he might as well have just beamed the proper spelling into the
characters' heads) doesn't this suggest that the pronunciation would
therefore be "K-thul-huh", with a short "u" like in "but" or "cuff"?
And why write a "C" rather than a "K", if it is a "K" sound? Perhaps
it's meant to be "SEE-thul-huh".
Actually, if it *is* meant to be a direct transcript of the sound of
the spoken name, then the only logical answer is that Cthulhu is
pronounced "Cthulhu". :-)
Rich
Shonokin
Nope... it's pronounced "Ca-wershta-shersta-shersta-sher-lu"
Drew Baker
University in the UK I might be able to help try Wor Rick (Wor as in worry
and Rick as in Richshaw)
Regs D
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Ulrich Schreitmueller
> Another posting humm getting to be a habit ... As I work for Warwick
> University in the UK I might be able to help try Wor Rick (Wor as in worry
> and Rick as in Richshaw)
Rich Shaw? Never heard of him.
Seriously, I doubt "Dunwich" follows this pattern. "Done Rich" doesn't sound
right. It seems to me the R in "Rick" is slurred over from "Wor".
Uli, mentioning the wor.
Your Friend and Narrator
Besides people up there don't talk anyway, they just give you the evil eye
and drive real fast.
Chthonic Angel
I guess Dunwich would be "Dun'witch."
In Massachusetts and New England in general we retain some archaic and
unusual pronunciations. The "h" is usually dropped or given little
stress if it is in the middle of a word; and "ch" is pronounced like
in "witch" but with a softer "c."
This arbitrary dropping and replacement of letters can be found
elsewhere. For example, Worchester is pronounced "woosta" by the
natives and "Wooster" by almost everyone else in the state. Also, any
town ending "ord", such as Medford, is pronounced with the "ord" being
replaced by an "a" ("Medfa"); and any town ending in "port"
(Newburyport) is more like "poort" ("Newburapoort"). Finally, New
Hampshire is "New Hampsha."
And it just gets worse from there.
<Back to Lurker mode>
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Gregory L. Hansen
Chthonic Angel <chthoni...@yahoo.com> wrote:
><enter De-lurk mode>
>
>I guess Dunwich would be "Dun'witch."
>
>In Massachusetts and New England in general we retain some archaic and
>unusual pronunciations. The "h" is usually dropped or given little
>stress if it is in the middle of a word; and "ch" is pronounced like
>in "witch" but with a softer "c."
>
>This arbitrary dropping and replacement of letters can be found
>elsewhere. For example, Worchester is pronounced "woosta" by the
>natives and "Wooster" by almost everyone else in the state. Also, any
>town ending "ord", such as Medford, is pronounced with the "ord" being
>replaced by an "a" ("Medfa"); and any town ending in "port"
>(Newburyport) is more like "poort" ("Newburapoort"). Finally, New
>Hampshire is "New Hampsha."
>
>And it just gets worse from there.
Do you "warsh" the dishes? Keep your underwear in a "draw"?
How do people pronounce "iron"? Where I grew up, not so far from the Iron
Range of Minnesota, I've always pronounced it as "EYE-ern".
Chthonic Angel
<snip>
>Do you "warsh" the dishes? Keep your underwear in a "draw"?
"warsh" sounds more mid-atlantic. We "wASh" the dishes. But I must
plead guilty to putting things in a "draw", especially when I am tired
or annoyed. =)
<Just put it in the F****in DRAW!>
>How do people pronounce "iron"? Where I grew up, not so far from the
Iron
>Range of Minnesota, I've always pronounced it as "EYE-ern".
Never really thought about that. Maybe, "Ira'n" or "Aye'n"?
Chthonic Angel
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Mark Gibson
the 'w' silent, as is not uncommon in English place names. But because the
story is American I assumed it would be pronounced more like
"Dunwitch". But I admit to knowing very little about local New England
pronounciations. Also one has to remember that HPL was a thoroughgoing
Anglophile. So perhaps he would have preferred "Dunnitch".
MSG
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Robert McKay
>From: glha...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu (Gregory L. Hansen)
>Date: 7/8/02 6:59 PM Mountain Daylight Time
>Do you "warsh" the dishes?
My mom used to "warsh" dishes in the "zinc." And when she answered the phone
she said, "YELlow." She was from Illinois, FWIW.
>How do people pronounce "iron"?
In the south, it's "arn." A useful tool is a "tar arn."
I don't know if HPL just had a bad ear for dialect, or wasn't real good at
spelling it phonetically, but when I pronounce his backwoods New England speech
as he wrote it, I get something that sounds southern, rather than like the
people I heard during my swing through Massachusetts, Maine, Vermont, and New
Hampshire a few years back.
Robert McKay
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Robert McKay
>Date: 7/10/02 12:09 PM Mountain Daylight Time
And there are some English-style pronunciations in New England as well.
Working in call centers for four years, I talked to quite a few people from
that part of the world, and most of them pronounced a terminal A as "er" (e.g.
the United States of Americer) and a terminal ER as "a" (e.g. back scratcha).
The joke that "You pahk your cah in Hahvahd Yahd" is only a slight exaggeration
of how Bostonians tend to talk. So it's possible, I would think, that New
Englanders - particularly backcountry, uneducated New Englanders of HPL's day -
would pronounce it Dunnich.
Rob Northrup
The Dunwich Horror performed on "Suspense" in the 1940s, they definitely
pronounced it "Dunnitch."
Richard Magrath
> This doesn't exactly prove anything, but in the old time radio version of
> The Dunwich Horror performed on "Suspense" in the 1940s, they definitely
> pronounced it "Dunnitch."
Really the "Dunnitch"/"Dunwitch" thing is only a tiny, nearly
meaningless difference. All that matters is that both pronunciations
can be said in an evil, horror-film-trailer-voice-over-man, tone.
"Innsmouth"/"Innsmith" on the other hand I think is more important -
whereas "Innsmouth" (my preferred pronunciation) sounds suitably
menacing, "Innsmith" sounds... well... rubbish, really.
Rich
Ulrich Schreitmueller
That's weird. While I originally started the "Dun Witch / Dunnitch" thread, I never had trouble with
"Innsmouth". I tend to pronounce it the same as "Portsmouth", i.e. not "mouth" but "m'th". As far as
I'm concerned, it's "Inns-Mouth" that sounds a bit too fake and pretentious. But that may just be me.
Uli
Edward Parsons
scary).
Thats just me, though.
"Ulrich Schreitmueller" <ulrich.sch...@student.uni-tuebingen.de>
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Ulrich Schreitmueller
> Yeah, I usually say "Innsm'th" (ephasising the "th" a bit to make it more
> scary).
How do you emphasise the "th"?
Then again, I guess being covered in spittle *is* pretty scary for the other
person...
Uli
buddha
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> This doesn't exactly prove anything, but in the old time radio version of
> The Dunwich Horror performed on "Suspense" in the 1940s, they definitely
> pronounced it "Dunnitch."
>
>
Doesn't it depend on whether you are from England or the U.S.?
I am British and I say Dunnitch.... We have a town called Warwick but
pronounced Warrick, whereas the American singer Dionne, likes to keep the
middle w. Is this the same thing?
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>Doesn't it depend on whether you are from England or the U.S.?
>I am British and I say Dunnitch.... We have a town called Warwick but
>pronounced Warrick, whereas the American singer Dionne, likes to keep the
>middle w. Is this the same thing?
>
Americans from New England would also say "Dunnitch" (as they would also say
"Grennitch" (Greenwich) Connecticut). Most New England place names would be
pronounced the same (or reasonably similarly) on either side of the pond.
Someone else brought up Innsmouth's pronounciation in this thread. Judging from
how a Massachusetts native would say Falmouth, I'd pronounce HPL's fictional
town as "Innsmuth."
Robert
Robert McKay
>Date: 7/17/02 7:24 AM Mountain Daylight Time
> We have a town called Warwick but
>pronounced Warrick, whereas the American singer Dionne, likes to keep the
>middle w. Is this the same thing?
Warwick, RI is "warrick." I know 'cause I've talked to people who lived there.
:)
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Robert McKay
>Date: 7/17/02 8:08 AM Mountain Daylight Time
>Someone else brought up Innsmouth's pronounciation in this thread. Judging
>from
>how a Massachusetts native would say Falmouth, I'd pronounce HPL's fictional
>town as "Innsmuth."
From long experience (I first encountered HPL in the 70s) I habitually
pronounce it Inns-mouth when reading. However, I hit several New England
states back in the late 90s (including a run going south down a Massachusetts
coast road from which I could see Plum Island), and learned of Ports-muth and
Fal-muth, so were I speaking to someone about Innsmouth I'd pronounce it
accordingly.
Robert McKay
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SPONGE
a cousin in Ipswich, and he says they pronounce it "Ip swich".
Apparently my dictionary agrees with him on Ipswich.
Skrybe
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> I have habitually pronounced it "Dun Which", but partly because I have
> a cousin in Ipswich, and he says they pronounce it "Ip swich".
> Apparently my dictionary agrees with him on Ipswich.
You don't live in QLD do you?
We have an Ipswich and a Dunwich and a Warwick :)
Ken aka Skrybe
Martin Edwards
Just so. Ipswich is pronounced as it looks, but Norwich isn't.
buddha
> I have habitually pronounced it "Dun Which", but partly because I have
> a cousin in Ipswich, and he says they pronounce it "Ip swich".
> Apparently my dictionary agrees with him on Ipswich.
Hmmm... I've always pronounced that one:
F'thCHUAAAAAGH'yk'k'k'k LUMMMaraÇÃO
I suppose I should have checked in the dictionary first. I never could work
out why people didn't know what I was talking about.
'Ip Switch' is kinda easier.
I'm still pretty damn sure it should be 'Dunnitch' though. What does your
dictionary say?
bub
Mongol Woman
> ja...@s-p-o-n-g-e.com (SPONGE) wrote in message news:<ceae2d3d.02071...@posting.google.com>...
> > I have habitually pronounced it "Dun Which", but partly because I have
> > a cousin in Ipswich, and he says they pronounce it "Ip swich".
> > Apparently my dictionary agrees with him on Ipswich.
>
> Hmmm... I've always pronounced that one:
>
> F'thCHUAAAAAGH'yk'k'k'k LUMMMaraÇÃO
>
> I suppose I should have checked in the dictionary first. I never could work
> out why people didn't know what I was talking about.
> 'Ip Switch' is kinda easier.
Ah ah ah ah you Inglish have such strange language.
Sig. M Woman
Martin Edwards
>
>Ah ah ah ah you Inglish have such strange language.
>
>Sig. M Woman
That's just the start. None of the above contributions is correct.
It's "Dunnidge".
Richard Magrath
pronunciation. In trying to perfect my bad American accent (somehow I
don't think that the Royal Shakespeare Company will be beating a path
to my door) I've noticed that it seems to involve replacing "I" with
"U" and "A" with "E", i.e. "I have a hat" becomes "Uh have eh het".
As for "Dunnitch"/"Dunnidge", maybe it's just a matter of taste. My
mother, for example, pronounces Edinburgh as "Edin-borrow" ("borrow"
as in "can I borrow your bike?"), which mysteriously annoys me, and I
prefer "Edin-buh-ruh", the latter two syllables pronounced with some
force & spittle.
Rich
buddha
Nah, that one is definitely "ED-in-bruh" the last bit is just one syllable.
So any Scottish mythos stories?
bu
cuntgas
> > a cousin in Ipswich, and he says they pronounce it "Ip swich".
> > Apparently my dictionary agrees with him on Ipswich.
>
> Hmmm... I've always pronounced that one:
>
> F'thCHUAAAAAGH'yk'k'k'k LUMMMaraÇÃO
>
> I suppose I should have checked in the dictionary first. I never could work
Jesus Christ man, what fucking planet are you on. You can't go
pronouncing words any way you want. Of course nobody understood you.
You ijit. I don't care what it says in the Necropoticon
cg
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