minute hand in Waveceptor Watch is exactly 20 seconds slow
Rick in CT
exactly 20 seconds slow. The second hand is exact, and the watch beeps
at the exact second on the hour, however the minute hand is a fraction
slow. Then at 20 seconds past the hour, the minute hand clicks to the
correct time. Is there a method to correct this?
I tried adjusting the time zones, then back, and the minute hand
behaves exactly the same. I fear I will have to send this back to
Casio, I already had the band resized.
Any help would be appreciated. I love the calibration feature of the
Waveceptor Watch, and the minute hand being 20 seconds slow just eats
me up.
Thanks in advance, Rick
John S.
I believe you are seeing are the stepper motor advancing the minute
hand in set increments. For each minute the minute hand will advance
20 seconds or 120 degrees in three separate steps. This is a common
energy conserving trick used in battery and solar powered watches.
Beau G.
analogue in that it jumps in 20 second increments and doesn't "track"
like a typical anologue minute hand.
your post at first lead me to believe that it was 20 seconds slow, as
in at the stroke of midnight the minute hand would actually be at
23:59:40 instead of "straight up".
Is that the case?
If so it should be easily corrected by advancing the minute hand one
jump ahead.
hope that helps.
~G
Rick in CT
Thanks for taking the time to reply to my, what seems like a
"picky" problem.
I have no problem with the minute hand incrementing every 20 seconds.
What my problem is that when the second hand is at the zero second mark
(12 on top of the dial); the minute hand is between minute marks. It
is difficult to determine the exact time.
I believe the correct operation should be, when the second hand is at
the zero second mark (12 on top of the dial), the minute hand should be
exactly on a minute mark.
Is this standard operation for Casio watches?
Should I send the watch back to Casio, or is there a procedure to
rectify this?
Rick
St. John Smythe
> I believe you are seeing are the stepper motor advancing the minute
> hand in set increments. For each minute the minute hand will advance
> 20 seconds or 120 degrees in three separate steps. This is a common
> energy conserving trick used in battery and solar powered watches.
It is, but it sounds as though Rick's second hand is one step behind.
On the Skyhawk, there is a routine for zeroing the hands, and I'd be
surprised if there weren't one for the Waveceptor, but it also may be
something not disclosed to consumers.
--
St. John
Take my word for it, the silliest woman can manage a clever man, but it
needs a very clever woman to manage a fool.
-Kipling
Beau G.
Well now, none of my ana-digi's have second hands but I can tell you
that when the digital seconds hit zero to start the new minute the
minute hand clicks onto its new position exactly when the seconds hit
zero and it is always dead on.
There has to be a way to advance the hands for setting purposes on this
watch. It sounds like you just need to bump that minute hand one jump
forward and you'll be all set.
I recall it taking some getting used to with mine to do this b/c you
have to wait until the seconds are PAST zero but before 20 to advance
minute hand. As long as you do it within that 20 second time frame the
watch should be good to go.
good luck
~G
John S.
Beau G. wrote:
> the minute hand on several casio ana-digi's that I own is not a true
> analogue in that it jumps in 20 second increments and doesn't "track"
> like a typical anologue minute hand.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by tracking. Very few
movements have truly smooth hour, minute and second hand operation.
With the exception of a few early watches with stepless electric motors
and a very recent Seiko hybrid, all other watch movements including
mechanical advance hands in a series of steps.
I believe the Casio movement operates as follows:
The second hand moves in single second increments.
The minute hand moves in 20 second increments and should advance when
the seconds hand hits 20, 40 and 60 seconds.
The hour hand follows the stepped movements of the minutes hand but in
much smaller increments.
.
>
> your post at first lead me to believe that it was 20 seconds slow, as
> in at the stroke of midnight the minute hand would actually be at
> 23:59:40 instead of "straight up".
Sounds like the minute and seconds need to be synchronized. The Casio
owners manual available through their website provides instructions for
that adjustment.
St. John Smythe
> I believe the correct operation should be, when the second hand is at
> the zero second mark (12 on top of the dial), the minute hand should be
> exactly on a minute mark.
I believe so, too.
> Is this standard operation for Casio watches?
Dunno, but it's definitely standard for Citizen.
--
St. John
Midget Gypsy escapes from jail: small medium at large.
Rick in CT
This should clear it up your question from your post. On the hour,
when the Casio watch has the hourly beep, my local radio station, (WTIC
AM) has it's hourly beep, and my Atomic Alarm clock next to my bed
has it's hourly beep, all at exactly the same time, (within a
fraction of a second), but my Casio watch's minute hand does not
advance to 12 till exactly 20 seconds later.
As for adjusting the minute hand, the manual says that there is no
direct adjustment. I would set the digital time, and the hour, minute,
and second hands would set them selves to the digital time in the
watch. Changing the digital display readout, the time is correct, but
the minute hand lags behind by 20 seconds.
Many thanks to everyone who is trying to help.
Rick
John S.
because it was so darned complicated to set up. Challenge to be
overcome and all that.
Sounds like the minute and seconds need to be synchronized. The Casio
owners manual available through their website provides instructions for
that adjustment.
Rick in CT
woman can manage a clever man, but it needs a very clever woman to
manage a fool."
My wife must be very clever.
(Oops, off topic)
St. John Smythe
> Where do you get these quotes !!! "Take my word for it, the silliest
> woman can manage a clever man, but it needs a very clever woman to
> manage a fool."
Unix (or Linux) "fortune" file, e.g.,
[sinjen@n4vu2 ~]$ fortune -s
You are only young once, but you can stay immature indefinitely.
> My wife must be very clever.
As is mine. ;)
--
St. John
"Saw a sign on a restaurant that said Breakfast, any time -- so I
ordered French Toast in the Renaissance.
-Steven Wright
Nonnymus
> Beau:
>
> This should clear it up your question from your post. On the hour,
> when the Casio watch has the hourly beep, my local radio station, (WTIC
> AM) has it's hourly beep, and my Atomic Alarm clock next to my bed
> has it's hourly beep, all at exactly the same time, (within a
> fraction of a second), but my Casio watch's minute hand does not
> advance to 12 till exactly 20 seconds later.
>
> As for adjusting the minute hand, the manual says that there is no
> direct adjustment. I would set the digital time, and the hour, minute,
> and second hands would set them selves to the digital time in the
> watch. Changing the digital display readout, the time is correct, but
> the minute hand lags behind by 20 seconds.
>
> Many thanks to everyone who is trying to help.
>
> Rick
I certainly hope that someone cites a source for correcting
this. I have an Oceanus that is just the opposite. When
the second hand reaches 12, the hour hand registers 20
seconds after 12. I've learned to live with it, but it
would be great to have everything aligned.
Nonnymus
Rick in CT
In the Casio watch manual, there is a setting called the HS, or "Hand
Setting" mode to match up the minute, and second hand of the analog
display to the digital display. You are able to "jog" the second
hand plus, or minus individual seconds, and the minute hand plus, or
minus 20 second increments. It is kind of buried in the user manual.
As I tell my clients at work at work, "it is in the documentation",
and I bite my tongue not to not say, "why did you not read the
documentation, before you called me!".
Anyway, many thanks to all who helped. I like this group; it is filled
with people just like me. My wife would have a few other choice words
for you-all, that in good taste, I can not repeat.
Rick
Rick in CT
For the Oceanus watch, I saw somewhere in a posting, or somewhere else
on the internet that the Oceanus watch is very similar to the Casio.
Please forgive me if I am WAY off base, I have never seen the Oceanus
watch, but it also might be buried in the user manual in a setting
called the HS, or "Hand Setting" mode. Your problem sounds exactly
like my problem.
Rick
John S.
can't hit the right combination. My curent favorite digital analog is
a Seiko SLM009 world timer. Lots of features...a true boys toy!
Did that solution do the trick?
Rick in CT
Yes, the setting called the HS, or "Hand Setting" mode to match up the
minute, and second hand of the analog display to the digital display
did the trick just fine. Also, this could be used for the person who
likes to have their watch be set five minutes ahead of time, so they
are never late. (my oldest daughter)
It was your comment: "Sounds like the minute and seconds need to be
synchronized." That sparked my interest to look deeper into the user
manual.
I'll have to look at the Seiko SLM009 world timer.
Thanks,
Rick
Revision
> minute, and second hand of the analog display to the digital display
> did the trick just fine.
On radio controlled wall clocks, the clocks can be reset to noon, a pin
inserted, the hands lined up, and then the pin removed and the clock is
put in receive mode.
There are a couple of designs. One uses separate servos for the second
and minute hands, such as your watch. Another design uses a single servo
for the seconds.
On the clocks, correcting the hand positions is easy. On your watch,
having a separate servo for the minutes is good as it saves a trip to the
watchmaker to reposition the minutes hand.
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