How to oil incabloc jewel?
ABC
back to the incabloc), put the cap jewel back-with the oil sandwiched
in between, then put the whole jewel set back into the incabloc,
Method 2:-- put the jewel set back to the incabloc. Then remove the
cap jewel, put the oil in, and then put back the cap jewel.
Please help.
K.M.
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Mike Kearney
Either way works. The most important thing is to not use so much oil that
it touches the settings or it will wick away and leave the jewels dry.
Here's what I do (after cleaning):
1. put the setting in without the cap jewel.
2. hold the cap jewel flat side up and apply enough oil to cover 2/3 of
the surface.
3. pick up the cap jewel, gently put it on the setting and lock it in.
With a good loupe you should see a ring inside the cap jewel. The ring is
the outer edge of the oil between the jewels. If you don't see it, you
either used too much oil, or not enough.
Mike
Knut Fogelqvist
oiled, so this is my method:
1. After cleaning setting and cap jewel, hold the cap jewel flat side up and
apply oil to cover 2/3 of the surface.
2. Place the setting on to the cap jewel. The cap jewel will adhere to the
setting.
3. Put the setting with the cap jewel back in its place and lock it.
/ Knut
Mike Kearney
a small blob of Rodico (instead of tweezers) to pick up jewels. But once you've
oiled the cap jewel, you need to use tweezers to put it on the jewel setting. To
do this, I hold the tweezers with my palm facing up, then pick up the cap jewel.
Then I can turn my wrist and put the cap jewel in place without having to change
my grip on the tweezers.
Regards,
Mike
Knut Fogelqvist
I put the setting on to the cap jewel, not the jewel on to the setting. Then I can
handle the setting with the jewl stuck to it.
Regards / Knut
Darryl Bryant
>
> Perhaps clarification of my method point 2 is needed:
> I put the setting on to the cap jewel, not the jewel on to the setting. Then I can
> handle the setting with the jewl stuck to it.
>
I could never understand some watchmakers do it that way, its a hell of lot
easier to put the setting on the cap/endstone jewel then pick the whole lot
up than to try and put the cap jewel on by its self and risk it snapping
out of the tweezers.
dAz
Darryl Bryant
>
> Method 1:-- oil the hole jewel (when the jewel set has not been put
> back to the incabloc), put the cap jewel back-with the oil sandwiched
> in between, then put the whole jewel set back into the incabloc,
>
> Method 2:-- put the jewel set back to the incabloc. Then remove the
> cap jewel, put the oil in, and then put back the cap jewel.
>
both those methods work but you risk the oil flowing into the wrong places.
make sure the cap and hole jewel are spotless, sometime you will old oil
residue sticking to the cap jewel, use a piece of sharpened pegwood and
rodico to clean the hole jewel, the cap jewel can cleaned between a piece
of acid free tissue paper folded once, put the cap jewel face down on the
tissue, cover it with the fold, press down with your finger and rub firmly.
now put the cap jewel face up on the bench, place a drop of syna-lube on
the cap jewel, pickup the hole jewel setting and carefully place it on the
cap jewel, now without letting go of the setting pickup the whole lot (the
oil with adhere the cap jewel to the setting), turn it over and replace
into the incabloc setting, snap the incabloc spring back into place.
look at the incabloc now and you should see a definite ring of oil, if you
dont see it you either have too much oil or not enough.
you can also use an automatic oiler if you want, assemble the hole jewel
setting and cap jewel together dry, then use the automatic oiler, the auto
oiler can be set for whatever size drop of oil you want.
one thing, you know that some watches have a different inca cap jewel top
and bottom, sometimes different size settings too, the thicker inca cap
jewel always goes in the upper setting (balance cock).
dAz
ABC
K.M.
p.s. Are auto oiler worth the money I have to pay for??
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Chuck Harris
The auto oiler's are certainly worth the money. They can make the
job much easier. But... (always is one, isn't there?)
You need to do a lot of watches to make it worth while, for a couple
of reasons:
First, they must be adjusted to put out the right amount of oil.
This amount differs from watch to watch, and jewel to jewel.
Second, I think that oil stores much better in the original
bottle, than it does in an oiler. Most of the auto oilers I have
seen take on a full 2cc bottle.
If I were doing 3 or 4 of the same size watch day in and day out,
you can bet I would use an auto oiler. I might even be able to
go thru a whole 2cc bottle of syntalube before it expires ;-)
But at the number of watches you are going to be servicing, while
you learn, I think you would be best off using the cheapy oil
dippers.
-Chuck
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ABC
Ted
jewel to oil it. I'm not sure they still make these oilers.
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jewel dry, then put a drop of oil in the hole jewel and use an "inserter" to
wick the oil onto the cap jewel?
Seems to me I read about this in Henry Fried's book, but I don't remember
for sure.
Dave
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Darryl Bryant
>
> Isn't there also a method where, after cleaning, you can reassemble the cap
> jewel dry, then put a drop of oil in the hole jewel and use an "inserter" to
> wick the oil onto the cap jewel?
>
> Seems to me I read about this in Henry Fried's book, but I don't remember
> for sure.
thats ok for settings where the endstone/cap jewel is not removable, but
its still better to either oil the cap jewel first then place the setting
on, or assemble dry and use an automatic oiler.
dAz
The Baron
smoothing broach or thin piece of wire. The one I made in the 60's still
works.
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Chuck Harris
>
> Isn't there also a method where, after cleaning, you can reassemble the cap
> jewel dry, then put a drop of oil in the hole jewel and use an "inserter" to
> wick the oil onto the cap jewel?
>
Yep! You can do non shock protected jewels that way. But shock
protected jewels, such as Incabloc, have a mount that has a small
hole in it (to catch the sholder of the staff when the jewel is knocked
out of position during a shock). It is VERY hard to reach an oil dipper
thru the small hole, and get to the hole jewel, and apply a drop of
oil. It is even harder to see what you have done.
So, when you oil Incabloc, and don't have a special auto oiler,
you oil the hole jewel from the outside, oil the cap jewel just in
the center, and assemble them. Then the balance goes in.
ABC
jewel.
K.M.
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> but
>its still better to either oil the cap jewel first then place the setting
>on, or assemble dry and use an automatic oiler.
>
>dAz
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Darryl Bryant
>
> Cannot do that because you have the hairspring in the way to the top
> jewel.
>
>
> >its still better to either oil the cap jewel first then place the setting
> >on, or assemble dry and use an automatic oiler.
> >
if you are talking about incabloc settings, you use the auto oiler before
the setting is clipped back into the inca seting, for other fixed type,
just hold the balance out of the way and carefully use the auto oiler to
oil the setting, just dont touch the hairspring with the oiler when pulling
it away
dAz
ABC
hole, isn't there a danger of the oil spilling onto the outside of the
setting ( which must be absolutely dry) ?
On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 08:42:37 GMT, Darryl Bryant <da...@zip.com.au>
wrote:
>if you are talking about incabloc settings, you use the auto oiler before
>the setting is clipped back into the inca seting, for other fixed type,
>just hold the balance out of the way and carefully use the auto oiler to
>oil the setting, just dont touch the hairspring with the oiler when pulling
>it away
>
>
>dAz
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Chuck Harris
>
> Cannot do that because you have the hairspring in the way to the top
> jewel.
>
> K.M.
> 0On Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:23:31 GMT, Darryl Bryant <da...@zip.com.au>
> wrote:
>
> > but
> >its still better to either oil the cap jewel first then place the setting
> >on, or assemble dry and use an automatic oiler.
I ment assemble the jewel dry. Not the watch!
-Chuck
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> >
Darryl Bryant
no, that the point of using an automatic oiler, it is designed to place the
oil correctly (with a little help from the watchmaker), the bergeon oiler
that I use is adjusted for the correct size drop, wipe the tip on a piece
of pith or tissue, hold the assembled setting with your tweezers, apply the
oiler, lift it away and the oil should only flow to where you applied it,
turn the setting over and look at the cap jewel, you should see a ring of
oil about half the diameter of the cap jewel, if its smaller than that you
need more oil, if you cannot see it you probably have too much oil, which
means you will need to clean the setting again and readjust the oiler and
try again.
once you have adjusted the oiler there is generally no need to touch the
adjustment again until you refill it.
anyway, unless you are doing a lot of watches something like 20-60 watches
a week, all full services, all mechanical, you really don't need an auto
oiler, learn to do the shock resistant settings by taking them apart,
cleaning, oiling the cap jewel and reassemble, you have incabloc, kif,
seiko and a dozen+ other types to play with
cheers
dAz