are tag watches worth it?
Craig
watch design that has been more appealing to me. I would love to own a
Kirium automatic, or one of the new Ti 5's.
But sometimes i wonder if Tag Heuer watches are really worth the amount
of money that is charged for them. does the quality, movement, design
and durability justify a high price tag. Or do you simply pay much
more for the name?
Thore B. Karlsen
Short answer: No, they are not worth it by any stretch of the imagination.
You are paying for the name only.
--
Be seeing you.
Darryl Bryant
>
> I love the design of Tag Heuer watches. i don't think i have ever seen a
> watch design that has been more appealing to me. I would love to own a
> Kirium automatic, or one of the new Ti 5's.
>
> But sometimes i wonder if Tag Heuer watches are really worth the amount
> of money that is charged for them. does the quality, movement, design
> and durability justify a high price tag. Or do you simply pay much
> more for the name?
$1500 dollar watches with $25 quartz movements.............no they are
not
dAz
Alex W.
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A $25 quartz movement? Are you sure? Last I heard, the cost of one
Swiss quartz movement was 20 Rappen (100 Rappen = 1 Swiss Franc) or 13
cents.
Alex
Darryl Bryant
I was being generous, and thats australian dollars ;)
dAz
Chuck Harris
>
> I love the design of Tag Heuer watches. i don't think i have ever seen a
> watch design that has been more appealing to me. I would love to own a
> Kirium automatic, or one of the new Ti 5's.
>
> But sometimes i wonder if Tag Heuer watches are really worth the amount
> of money that is charged for them. does the quality, movement, design
> and durability justify a high price tag. Or do you simply pay much
> more for the name?
Craig,
I bought a "Heuer" automatic diving watch in 1979 from a local
department store for $80. I bought it because it was a diving
watch, and looked like it would do the job. It did, quite admirably.
Around that same time frame, Heuer and TAG combined in some evil way,
and TAG/HEUER was introduced. My very same cheap diving watch went
from $80 as a Heuer to $800 as a TAG/HEUER. I wish I could get a
raise like that. Perhaps if I change my name?
-TAG/Chuck
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Bill White
grotesquely masculine, titanium reinforced, bull dozer resistant, thermo-nuclear
shock wave proof, WWF tag team approved watches, what I saw was
allot of empty space with a tiny ladies baguette movement in the middle glued to
a cheesy dial. Heuer did some pretty good marketing in the 50's and 60's and
backed it up with some pretty cool products. Not true today. But they are
still really good at getting people to cough up the big bucks. Don't do it!!
Bill White
NAWCC # 0118120
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Crystal Co.
P.O.Box 201
Cazadero, California 95421
707-865-1938
Darryl Bryant wrote:
"Alex W." wrote:
>
> Darryl Bryant <da...@zip.com.au> wrote in message
> news:39657728...@zip.com.au...
> > Craig wrote:
> > >
> > > I love the design of Tag Heuer watches. i don't think i have ever
> seen a
> > > watch design that has been more appealing to me. I would love to
> own a
> > > Kirium automatic, or one of the new Ti 5's.
> > >
> > > But sometimes i wonder if Tag Heuer watches are really worth the
> amount
> > > of money that is charged for them. does the quality, movement,
> design
> > > and durability justify a high price tag. Or do you simply pay
> much
> > > more for the name?
> >
> >
DuchyDog
IMHO the TAG line is often persued by those that don't know watches but think
they are getting/wearing a well known status piece.
Save your $$ shop around buy a real watch
such as a Blancpain,IWC,AP,Rolex,Chronoswiss,GP,etc.......
Brad McCormick, Ed.D.
>
> If you like the watch that much then buy it.
>
> IMHO the TAG line is often persued by those that don't know watches but think
> they are getting/wearing a well known status piece.
If a person wants status, I think Rolex is the #1 choice.
>
> Save your $$ shop around buy a real watch
> such as a Blancpain,IWC,AP,Rolex,Chronoswiss,GP,etc.......
As for Rolex, I would read Walt Odets article about
the Explorer I: http://www.timezone.com/Horologium/rolex/
The 1999 IWC price list has at least one automatic model
(i.e., not a "quartz movement") at US$2,000.
How much is a "Tag"?
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Brian Y. Scott
> watch design that has been more appealing to me. I would love to own a
> Kirium automatic, or one of the new Ti 5's.
>
> But sometimes i wonder if Tag Heuer watches are really worth the amount
> of money that is charged for them. does the quality, movement, design
> and durability justify a high price tag. Or do you simply pay much
> more for the name?
>
I own a Tag Heuer S/EL and a 40-year-old Omega Constellation. I appreciate
the Omega as machinery; the people who made it expected that, with
appropriate maintenance, it would be running perfectly 40 years later. And
it does. It also looks pretty good.
The Tag, on the other hand, is jewelry -- I bought it solely because I like
the way it looks. It's really no better in quality of manufacture than the
Citizen Promaster that I wear as a beater. But the gold plating looks nice,
I really like the S/EL band, it's comfortable, and it's dressy enough that I
can wear it with a suit.
You asked, "does the quality, movement, design and durability justify a high
price tag?" Nope. There's nothing about my watch that would justify its
$1795 retail price, or even the much lower price I bought it for.
But you also said "i don't think i have ever seen a watch design that has
been more appealing to me." I think that's really the key issue behind Tag
Heuer watches.
So, here's my answer: first and foremost, the Tag Heuer is jewelry. If
you're willing to pay a high price for a piece of jewelry, but it. If
you're looking for an example of the watchmaker's art, look elsewhere. For
example, somebody mentioned Oris -- definitely a better-made watch, probably
for the same or less money.
LIke Dennis Miller says, "that just my opinion, and I could be wrong." Hope
this helps.
BYS
P.S. one other note: if you're serious about buying a Tag Heuer, shop
around; they have very high markup and seem to get discounted like crazy.
Mine was less than a year old when I bought it, and I paid less than 1/3 of
retail (and yes, the serial number is intact).
GreggM
people like the looks and style of them. I have owned one for the past
three years and am very happy with mine. Although a lot of people rip them,
they are a good watch with a 200 meter WR rating (many other watches are
less and are not god for water skiing, etc), and a hard to scratch sapphire
crystal. Citizen and Seiko make some similar watches for $200 - $350 range
which are nice but you should put them side by side with the TAG and see if
you want to spend the extra money. I think TAG makes some nice looking
watches with high quality bracelets (also some that seem a little much for
my taste, but they have a large product line). TAG sells a ton of watches
and people seem to like them. You can get about 25% off list at the malls
and a little more then that on line. Got mine at a mall and got 26% off
list.
Gregg
Michael Geier
worth about .20 cents on the dollar as shown in the used watch market. Buying
one to get the LOOK is nothing more than throwing your money away. Go for a
good brand, loke Omega, Concord, or Rolex. You can buy watches by these
company's for only a few dollars more, and you have a real watch that is worth
something.
my 2 cents
Mike
GreggM
Omega and a TAG (excluding the X-33 as a different type of watch). The dive
type watches are extremely similar but he said how much he liked the looks
of the TAG. Looks are important for pride of ownership to many people. The
TAG will probably be as accurate and reliable. I like them both. A Rolex
would cost more than a few dollars more.
Gregg
Stanley McMahan
At some point they were worth the cost of obtaining them. I work for a TAG
dealer and repair them on a daily/weekly basis.
The good thing about them is that they are very serviceable. The bad thing
about them is the cost of parts (and labor) for their service. I personally
have over $6000.00 worth of tools I use to service TAG's. The most important
being a high end waterproof tester of the submersion variety and the special
press required to service the case.
I would agree on a professional basis that TAG has done a phenomenal job of
matching the price to the value of their products. (In other words, I think
they wring every last dollar out of the value (perceived and real)).
My $.02 worth,
Stan
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Michael Geier
They ar at the lowest end of the respectable watches, and do not deserve this
line of reasoning. they are flashy (gold plate) etc junk. The mechanisms are
equally junk and they don't belong in the same category as the better watches.
They are equal to names like Invicta, Zodiac, Seiko and citizen with the
exception that the Japaneese watches have GOOD quartz movements. Forget these
watches unless you absolutely must waste your money.
Mike
Stanley McMahan
With that reasonable reply from a seasoned expert, I guess I've been put in
the bag.
Stan :)
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GreggM
Was nice to see your positive post about TAGs; the first one I've seen in a
long time. They seem to be the most ripped brand on all the on-line forums.
People seem to tolerate a quartz watch if it is an Omjega X-33 or a Rolex
OysterQuartz but that is about it. I own a lot of different watches and
don't think the sun rises and sets because of TAG Heuer, but things are so
one sided I often jump in. You can get tired reading the "My $6000 Daytona
(etc) is a bargain but your $750 watch is way over priced".
Gregg
Les Bonser
in movies, television, etc. It seems TAG Heuer is a major player in the
placement business. Apparently a lot of people like wearing watches they've
seen in movies!
Les
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Stanley McMahan
about your watch preference" attitudes that some posters exhibit. Why they
pick on TAG and not other brands, I don't know.
I still say that name brands get that way and stay that way for more than
just marketing fluff. The free market is very efficient at weeding out
imposters.
Stan
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Thore B. Karlsen
wrote:
>Yeah, what gets me is the "you're so lucky you've got me to yell at you
>about your watch preference" attitudes that some posters exhibit. Why they
>pick on TAG and not other brands, I don't know.
We do pick on other brands. Breitling, Rolex, Cartier, Gucci.. The list goes
on.
>I still say that name brands get that way and stay that way for more than
>just marketing fluff. The free market is very efficient at weeding out
>imposters.
TAG is the exception that proves the rule.
--
Be seeing you.
Chuck Harris
Stan,
My beef, if any, with TAG watches comes from the two Heuer diving
watches I own. One is an automatic that I bought in 1979, the other
is a quartz that I bought in 1982. The automatic cost $79, the
quartz 3 years later cost $120. The very next year after I bought
the quartz, TAG enters the scene. The quartz watch went up to $500,
and the automatic went up to $800.
Something magnificent must have happened between 1982, and 1983!
Either US inflation was much higher than I remember it, or TAG decided
that all its future watch customers should bend over before buying.
It surely didn't cost TAG that much to stencil their name on the dial
of Heuer's watch.
-Chuck
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>
> Yeah, what gets me is the "you're so lucky you've got me to yell at you
> about your watch preference" attitudes that some posters exhibit. Why they
> pick on TAG and not other brands, I don't know.
>
> I still say that name brands get that way and stay that way for more than
> just marketing fluff. The free market is very efficient at weeding out
> imposters.
>
> Stan
gip...@earthlink.net
is probably a middle 80's model. It keeps good time and does not leak
(yet) . Buying the watch used put it in a reasonable price range, and
for what I paid for it I am satisfied. I would not have paid anywhere
near list for it. For that matter I would not pay even discount
prices for quartz watches.
Just my $0.02
Jim
On Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:01:59 -0400, Chuck Harris <cfha...@erols.com>
wrote:
Brad McCormick, Ed.D.
[snip]
> I still say that name brands get that way and stay that way for more than
> just marketing fluff. The free market is very efficient at weeding out
> imposters.
But capitalism has a Janus face: Bad money drives out good. Once
somebody gets a good reputation, they often try to see how many corners
they can cut without getting caught.
This *may* currently be going on with Rolex, e.g.
http://www.timezone.com/Horologium/rolex/
Capitalism reduces everything to money. Anybody who
makes a product better than they need to make it to
fetch a given price is a fool who will soon enough
be driven out of business. And, as for "price competition",
as the President of U.S. Steel explained at the
Kefauver hearings in the mid 1950s: I am not a good
businessman if I can't get as high a price for my
product as the other guys.
Quality is neither socialistic nor capitalistic: it is
a commitment beyond economic considerations (which
doesn't mean those who undertake this commitment
don't need to eat).
Ivanhoe
This is gibberish. The free market is about matching up consumer
demands with supplier's products. Often high price is an essential
component of percieved value. As is "quality", style, etc.
Even in the most simplistic analysis, the business wants to maximize
profit, not price. And when you delve into the literature of business,
you will see many effective strategies. Some businesses focus
on ROI, some on ROE, some on market share, etc.
Some businesses succeed because they make a quality product that
customers want. Some businesses succeed because of superior
marketing (toy companies, for example). Others succeed because
of superior financial management. Some are just more efficient at
stamping out widgets.
Product quality is only weakly correlated with cost. One can
often cut manufacturing tolerances in half by spending an extra
50% of manhours in product detail design and process design.
For mass production, this extra cost may add only 1 or 2 percent in
average variable cost. Likewise, replacing tooling more frequently adds a
little cost but can improve the product substantially. Especially
in these times, the cost of design and manufacture for most hard goods
only contribute about 25% to the price paid at the register. About 50%
goes to the retailer and distributor markups, and 25% is advertising and
other marketing expenses
When quality is sacrificed, it is usually done to reduce operating expenses
in the short run to make the financials look better. This short run view
works fine for the "slash and burn" artists like Chainsaw Al Dunlap
in league with the investment community (at the expense of individual
shareholders who aren't privy to the rules of the game; plunder, loot,
and leave), but as investors start moving money out of mutual funds and into
individual stocks, this sort of thing will wane.
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GreggM
Read your post; found it interesting. At least you make a point and just
don't basically yell TAGS SUCK!!!!! I have never handled a 1979 Heuer
model. I got mine three years ago for $745 but had looked at them for quite
a few years before then but can't remember exactly when. I almost bought
the first one I saw and it was $450 at that time. How does your 1979 model
compare to the later ones in quality and features (is the whole case
stainless steel-not just the back, saphire crystal, bracelet with solid
pinned links- not folded sheet metal, etc.)? If that is the case, I think
you bought at the right time and got a great deal. I have to say that I
still like mine as much as the day I got it and think it was money well
spent ( and I am not even close to being wealthy).
GreggM
Michael Geier
simple isn't it. It's also the ABSOLUTE TRUTH. They are total crap. a figment of
an advertising mans inagination.
Not any better or worse than most $200-300 watches but then they don't have to
be since so many suckers buy them. I guess that Barnum was right.
Mike
Bob Goodman
with it. My wife has a TAG Ladies Formula 1 that she has worn daily for 10 years.
I also own an Omega Speedmaster, Tudor Submariner, Movado Sport, and many other
Seikos, Citizens etc. I have found them all to be worth it in the context of
their original purchase. If you like it Buy it.
DuchyDog wrote:
> If you like the watch that much then buy it.
>
> IMHO the TAG line is often persued by those that don't know watches but think
> they are getting/wearing a well known status piece.
>
Gaffer
line on this is that if you are looking for design over accuracy, you
can't beat the Heuers of the 70s. For a similar price to a new Tag, you
can pick up a near-perfect quality Monaco or my personnal favourite,
the Silverstone. In a world of chronological sameness, it's good to
stand out...
> I love the design of Tag Heuer watches. i don't think i have ever
seen a
> watch design that has been more appealing to me. I would love to own a
> Kirium automatic, or one of the new Ti 5's.
>
> But sometimes i wonder if Tag Heuer watches are really worth the
amount
> of money that is charged for them. does the quality, movement, design
> and durability justify a high price tag. Or do you simply pay much
> more for the name?
>
>
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Before you buy.
Christian Sibbern Petersen
IT.
> They ar at the lowest end of the respectable watches, and do not deserve
this
> line of reasoning. they are flashy (gold plate) etc junk. The mechanisms
are
> equally junk and they don't belong in the same category as the better
watches.
> They are equal to names like Invicta, Zodiac, Seiko and citizen with the
> exception that the Japaneese watches have GOOD quartz movements. Forget
these
> watches unless you absolutely must waste your money.
So you compare quarz and mechanical movements?
Chuck Harris
Hi! Well, I guess I am not a xxxx SUCKS! kind of guy ;-)
My '79 Heuer has a quartz glass crystal, a solid stainless steel
case, a plastic "tropic" buckled strap. It came in a nice
velvet covered velvet, lined snap open box with a real hinge!
The hour hand has an onion shaped mercedes, and the black dial has small
red 24 hour markings inside of the numbered 12 hour dots. It is an
automatic. Visually it's case was identical to the later '83-84 models.
$79.
My '82 Heuer has a sapphire crystal, a solid stainless steel case
and a quartz movement (with zero jewels if it matters to you). It
is physically identical to the '79 Heuer, but it has a round mercedes
on the hour hand, and no 24 hour markings on the black dial.
It had a plastic "tropic" buckled strap.
It came in a plastic case that with flocked cardboard insert.
$120.
They are both good functional watches. The automatic ran 21 years
before I decided to take it out of service and clean and oil it.
(and I will get around toit soon, I am sure)
The quartz broke after 2 years, and It was in for repair, and broke
again after a few months. I took it apart, and cleaned and oiled it,
and fixed the bad solder joint on the board, and it has been fine since.
Both have served me well, as a sport diver, to depths of around 140
feet.
Neither has ever leaked.
-Chuck
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GreggM wrote:
Christian Sibbern Petersen
Bob Goodman <bul...@home.com> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
396BCFD1...@home.com...
> Thats a relative question, I own a TAG-1964 Carrera Reissue and am very
pleased
> with it. My wife has a TAG Ladies Formula 1 that she has worn daily for 10
years.
> I also own an Omega Speedmaster, Tudor Submariner, Movado Sport, and many
other
> Seikos, Citizens etc. I have found them all to be worth it in the context
of
> their original purchase. If you like it Buy it.
Decide what you need or want the watch for orwhy you like it.
Save your money, if you have to.
Buy it!
Be happy with YOUR DECISION!
Bye,
Chris
Watch McCall
daytime use and a sextant for clear nights. ;-).
Actually, I plan to attend the first Formula 1 race at Indy in September.
In honor of that occasion, I just bought me a Tag Heuer F1 Chronograph. In
screaming yellow, I might add...Didn't pay retail, but it was probably still
too expensive for a quartz watch. Oh well. I liked the unique looks of this
watch, and you only live once, so what the hey...
I removed the back to see what kind of battery it took. Someone here said
that Tag quartz movements are itty-bitty girlie sized movements. The
movement in this watch fills the entire case and is completely covered by a
copper shield. The shield says "Tag Heuer 27 Jewels". This watch will
probably outlast me. Looks like a racecar instrument panel--I think I'm
gonna enjoy owning it.
I also own two Glycine mechanicals, two different model Citizen Eco-Drive
World Timers, and two Casio Marine Gear analog quartz watches. For the
money, the Citizen Eco-Drive GMT World Timer was probably the greatest
bargain. The case and bracelet are will finished with a screw down crown
and a 200 m water resistance rating. The bracelet has extruded folding
pieces on the pushbutton clasp making it look much more expensive than it
really is.
In the meantime, I lust after the Minerva Palladio and the Omega Deville...
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Mike Vincitore
writes:
>Something magnificent must have happened between 1982, and 1983!
>Either US inflation was much higher than I remember it, or TAG decided
>that all its future watch customers should bend over before buying.
I noticed a similar phenomenon when I bought my first fine watch-a Rolex
Submariner-in June (or July) of 1974. I paid $240 then. By November of 1974 the
same dealer had a $720 price tag on the same watch.
I guess that was about the time they really became an American status symbol
for the masses.
Mike Vincitore
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huh
This embarrasses me.
And, I'm not even Mike Vincetore
GreggM
Thanks for the detailed info on your watches. I'll go to some web sites
that sell used watches and try to find scans to better see what you
describe.
Thanks, Gregg
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Watchking
first note would be worth what you paid yaid for it. I have no idea why
everyone is railing against TAG quartz watches when you were pretty
specific about the Kirium automatic. As well you may get a big discount
on a TAG, which is not likely on a Rolex or most IWCs. Some companies
like TAG are able to create a dynasty of products and excellent sales
by being good case makers/designers like Breitling. TAG is one of those
companies and they have always chosen from amongst the better movements
to use in all their models.
What has made TAG a very popular company (much more popular than the
old Heuer watch company that couldn't sell a classic automatic watch
enough to stay in business) is their sense of style, the durable
designs they have developed and their customer service. I know that
Rolex for one has treated thousands of their Daytona/Zenith purchasers
like dirt by charging them huge repair fees to fix a problem that is
inherent in the Rolex design and not any fault of the purchaser (see
alt.horology thread "Daytona Movement Fallacy" to hear it from the
Rolex service manager in Bexley England). It is only when people who
wear a watch (like a TAG) recommend it overwhelmeing to their friends,
that a company becomes the kind of watch icon that TAG has become. I
have personally owned 2 TAGs and they worked just fine for me.
The disparaging remarks about the TAG quartz watches seemed out of
place when you consider that most purchasers want to wear a nice
looking watch, that fits them well, that keeps good time and at a
reasonable cost to maintain. All of these things are true about TAG
quartz watches. It is true that TAG quartz watches don't have view
backs to fascinate those whose are attracted to glitter and wiggling
bright shiny objects, but then again neither do Rolex quartz watches
(the prefered model for Rolex service managers who aren't prey to the
Rolex hype), Patek Phillipe Nautilus quartz models (which have been
continued in the mid sized line-up by demand from purchasers) or some
IWC flieger chronograph buyers who get a quartz movement that IWC
claims to have outsourced from Jaeger LeCoultre.
TAG watches may be good choices for you. I think quartz technology is a
natural continuation of horology that began with star tracking and the
sundial. There is no "best watch" and never will be. If you try a TAG
watch and you like it, quartz or automatic, you will be basing your
decision on what works for you. Good Luck Craig. Watchking
In article <39655EE1...@home.com>,
Craig <teer...@home.com> wrote:
> I love the design of Tag Heuer watches. i don't think i have ever
seen a
> watch design that has been more appealing to me. I would love to own a
> Kirium automatic, or one of the new Ti 5's.
>
> But sometimes i wonder if Tag Heuer watches are really worth the
amount
> of money that is charged for them. does the quality, movement, design
> and durability justify a high price tag. Or do you simply pay much
> more for the name?
>
>
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