I recently made my first airplane trip while wearing the watch and was very
concerned going through security. I was forced to take it off to go through
the metal detectors. I stuffed it in my computer bag, but the x-ray
couldnt' see through it, so they pulled the watch and re-ran the bag.
On the return trip I put in in the bin with my wallet and stuff and was very
converned about it being in the open.
How do you guys handle this?
P
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I'm lo-carb, eat me
>My wife blessed me with a beautiful tu-tone blue face rolex submariner as a
>graduation present for finishing my MBA.
>
>I recently made my first airplane trip while wearing the watch and was very
>concerned going through security. I was forced to take it off to go through
>the metal detectors. I stuffed it in my computer bag, but the x-ray
>couldnt' see through it, so they pulled the watch and re-ran the bag.
>
>On the return trip I put in in the bin with my wallet and stuff and was very
>converned about it being in the open.
>
>How do you guys handle this?
Unfortunately that's probably one of the most recognizable watches on
the planet. Every mugger will know that watch. I don't travel a lot, but
when I do I put on one of my more anonymous watches instead of my Rolex.
The chances of a mugger noticing it and knowing what it is is
practically nil.
BTW, did they force you to take the watch off, or did it set off the
metal detector? The watches I've taken through the detector haven't set
it off, but then again they weren't as chunky as my Sea Dweller.
--
Be seeing you.
A watch that I have to fixate on is not one I want to wear...an Invicta
8926 is a handsome watch; annoying if some barn owl flies off with it but
not devastating.
> My wife blessed me with a beautiful tu-tone blue face rolex submariner as a
> graduation present for finishing my MBA.
>
> I recently made my first airplane trip while wearing the watch and was very
> concerned going through security. I was forced to take it off to go through
> the metal detectors. I stuffed it in my computer bag, but the x-ray
> couldnt' see through it, so they pulled the watch and re-ran the bag.
>
> On the return trip I put in in the bin with my wallet and stuff and was very
> converned about it being in the open.
>
> How do you guys handle this?
>
> P
Just a similar type of problem. I travel with expensive photographic gear,
since that is what I do for most of my living. When I do so, the really
important gear is in a carry on bag. Inside the bag, I place a small folded
table tripod that is shaped something like a pistol. That item usually always
gets a bag security check, though the benefit is that someone else cannot walk
off with my bag of camera gear. Basically, if you can find a way to get your
bag checked out further, then I see that as added protection against theft.
With watches, I place them inside my jacket pocket, zipped closed. So far, I
get my jacket back fairly quickly, and it does not seem to be a problem. I make
sure to take off my watch well before I get to the line for security, in case
any possible thieves might be checking out what I am carrying, or wearing.
Ciao!
Gordon Moat
A G Studio
<http://www.allgstudio.com>
If I understood well, you made two firsts at the same time: airplane
trip and wearing the watch. Do not worry, next time you shall neither
experience any trouble with the watch, nor with boarding the airplane:
both shall have become routine.
In any case, now the watch has become a part of yourself, which you
should wear at all times. You can also think that knowledgeable people
are no muggers, and muggers do not fly, or if they do, they shall
either think that you are an unintersting guy wearing an uninteresting
copy or a well trained yuppie that they should preferably not try and
mug.
Soon you shall only mingle in circles where you do not have to worry
about any low end muggers and just have to cope with the high flying
ones.
-mij
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"Gordon Moat" <mo...@attglobal.net> wrote in message
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> My wife blessed me with a beautiful tu-tone blue face rolex submariner as a
> graduation present for finishing my MBA.
>
> I recently made my first airplane trip while wearing the watch and was very
> concerned going through security. I was forced to take it off to go through
> the metal detectors. I stuffed it in my computer bag, but the x-ray
> couldnt' see through it, so they pulled the watch and re-ran the bag.
>
> On the return trip I put in in the bin with my wallet and stuff and was very
> converned about it being in the open.
>
> How do you guys handle this?
Wear a modest watch that is far form irreplaceable. Smart watches that
keep good time start under $100.
Aside from airport problems, do you want to walk around in a foreign place
wearing a watch that says STEAL ME? Do you want to take it off and put it
on the nightstand in an insecure hotel room? Do you wear it in the shower
to make sure no-one takes it while changing the towels? etcetcetc.
--
Mark South: World Citizen, Net Denizen
-mij
"Mark South" <mark...@null.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 12:10:06 -0800, Mij Adyaw wrote:
>
>> Do not take off the watch. They have no right to ask you to remove
>> jewelry!!!
>
> There are no rights and wrongs. They can do what they like, and if you
> don't comply they can refuse to allow you to board, and have you arrested
> if they like.
>
>> Just refuse
>
> Just try.
>
>> and let them pat you down and wand you with the
>> hand-held metal detector. This procedure only requires a few more
>> minutes.
>
> That sort of assumes that they feel like taking orders from you.
>
>> They cannot force you to remove that watch!!
>
> Oh yes they can.
>
> Your advice is dangerous nonsense, and I can only assume from it that you
> don't fly internationally at all.
> My wife blessed me with a beautiful tu-tone blue face rolex submariner as
> a graduation present for finishing my MBA.
>
> I recently made my first airplane trip while wearing the watch and was
> very concerned going through security. I was forced to take it off to go
> through the metal detectors. I stuffed it in my computer bag, but the
> x-ray couldnt' see through it, so they pulled the watch and re-ran the
> bag.
>
> On the return trip I put in in the bin with my wallet and stuff and was
> very converned about it being in the open.
>
> How do you guys handle this?
Far more likely to be stolen out of checked baggage than out of a little
basket of metallic personal belongings under a gaggle of security cameras.
The FAA cops would have a baby if someone made a fuss about a stolen
rolex *at the security demark. You'd miss your flight but there's
basically no way they wouldn't find the theft on video tape and ship
the perpetrator off to guantanamo bay. It's just not the best moment of
opportunity.
It's once you get out of the airport that you have to start to worry.
It'll be slipped off your wrist by a guy who looks for all the world like a
skycap, out on the curb.
But, lets be serious, the cardinal rule of packing for travel is not to
bring anything you can't bear to lose.
Go buy a Sandoz that looks just like your sub for vacationing.
> My wife blessed me with a beautiful tu-tone blue face rolex submariner as a
> graduation present for finishing my MBA.
>
> I recently made my first airplane trip while wearing the watch and was very
> concerned going through security. I was forced to take it off to go through
> the metal detectors. I stuffed it in my computer bag, but the x-ray
> couldnt' see through it, so they pulled the watch and re-ran the bag.
>
> On the return trip I put in in the bin with my wallet and stuff and was very
> converned about it being in the open.
>
> How do you guys handle this?
>
> P
>
I don't like to part with my wallet either. Like Gordon, I place my
watch and wallet in a jacket pocket and that's the first thing I check
for even before purring on my belt and shoes. FWIW, the TSA workers
have some sort of security check before getting their low paid thankless
jobs. Since the security checkpoint at an airport is a secure area,
where you need picture ID to enter and there are surveillance cameras
everywhere, it would be hard for a thief to simply disappear.If your
Rolex is missing and your start yelling "My Rolex is Missing! My Rolex
IS MISSING!!!" You will get some notice and an investigation will ensue.
Richard "just make sure your Rolex IS missing before causing a scene" F
> You do not have to remove the watch. After refusing, they will wand you with
> the metal detector. This process requires a little more time, but it is
> worth it. I have done this many times.
Since you top-posted and basically didn't answer my points, I think we can
take it that you don't fly internationally to a variety of destinations,
and probably don't realise that someone following your advice could get
into serious trouble in a lot of places.
And the whole thing is a non-problem. It's not like inexpensive watches
are hard to find, is it now?
"Mark South" <mark...@null.invalid> wrote in message
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You're not listening. The watch is not at issue. It's the non-compliance
that draws all the negative attention.
It's not an issue of "fair."
rac
-mij
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"Mij Adyaw" <mija...@nospamforme.com> wrote in message
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I travel enough that I know several people who have been accosted, had
jewelery snatched, etc., while . If I owned the Rolex I would not wear
it in the wide open while in a public place in many countries. It is
easy enough locals to mark travellers as being non-locals. If you go
around flashing a widely recognized symbol of opulence you might as
well put a "Rob Me" sign on your back.
Unfortunately, there is a problem with stuff disappearing at checkpoints.
Some of it is the TSA people themselves, others involves passengers - an
accomplice will create a distraction by setting off the detector with keys
in her pocket, etc. while the crook makes off with your laptop.
http://www.kevincoffee.com/airlines/theft_at_airport_screeing.htm
http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art23613.asp
I second (fifth?) the advice that you and almost everyone else gave - leave
the Rolex home and get a "beater" to take with you on the road. Something
with a leather strap will probably not set off the metal detector. In this
age of credit cards, laptops, cellphones, PDAs , etc. watches (other than
the ultra recognizable Rolex) are not considered prime stealables - most
muggers don't even demand your watch any more.
"Eric Jorgensen" <al...@xmission.com> wrote in message
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Half the people will assume it is a fake anyway. In Indonesia everyone
wears a Rolex.
Fraser
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2005/01/120837.php
http://www.nbc6.net/nbc6investigates/3947749/detail.html
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=266573
Lest you think this is an isolate problem, " More than 60 TSA screeners have
been arrested for theft at 30 different airports, both large and small. Some
have been caught going through bags in full view of airport security
cameras - one is even seen on tape pocketing a gold bracelet...... ABC News
has learned that at New York's three major airports - John F. Kennedy
International, Newark Liberty International and LaGuardia - 400 of the first
2,000 screeners hired had criminal records. "
So if you thought that the brute pawing thru your stuff at the checkpoint
looked more like a criminal than a cop, there's fair chance you were right.
I don't even want to think of the implications of hiring people with
criminal backgrounds are for penetrating flight security.
"Moka Java" <rtwa...@fishyahoo.com> wrote in message
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-mij
"Fraser Johnston" <fra...@jcis.com.au> wrote in message
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>What can they do to you for the noncompliance? It is not a crime to not
>comply and not remove your watch. They can wand the watch to determine if
>the watch is setting off the walk-through metal detector. There is no reason
>to remove the watch and take a chance of it being dropped or scratches. Just
>say no and if they insist, then punch them in the nose. :-)
>
Hope you enjoy full cavity searches. ;-)
What you have to understand is that in most western countries the
officers may be more lenient, because of the potential damage to
public image, but even they have been given a Joker with all the
terrorism scares. Still the media frenzy over these things does mellow
them out a bit.
As an example everyone knows that the Thai custom officers(amongst
others) don't give a shit about public image. Piss them off and they
have not only the means, but the right(as do their western
counterparts) to put you through the whole process without any
apparent reason. Reasons are a dime a dozen and there is nothing you
or your consulate can do about it. "Probable cause" is a widely
(mis)used law enforcement term that roughly translates into "didn't
like the way he looked, the way he acted, the way he looked at us, the
way he talked to us" or the most famous "i didn't get any last night".
--
Regards, Frank
You practically repeated your previous message word for word!
Don't piss them off. Remember, they have the rubber gloves. They are in this
job because they get a kick out of humiliating people. Don't make yourself
into their next victim.
--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
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A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes
I have been travelling for all my life around the world with expensive
items, many times carrying collections of expensive watches around with
me, without ever making any bad experience.
In any case, it is not what you wear that shall attract the attention
of any mugger; everything depends upon your attitude and behaviour (in
Rome do as the Romans). A low profile as well as a normal attitude is
the essence of the game. One should develop some good instinct of any
potential risk or danger, together with an easygoing unrelenting
watchfulness. There are dos and don't dos. One has to learn to know
which places and areas one can go, and which areas one must avoid, or
not go alone or unaccompanied by locals.
Foremost, one should not be ashamed of one's own luxuries and enjoying
travelling with them!
> In Dubai airport they refuse to allow you to proceed until
you can
> walk through the detector without setting it off. They
require you to
> remove all metal around you person. If you don't comply
you don't
> travel.
My brother can confirm this (that's him with the steel pins
in his leg thanks to an exciting experiment in the
misapplication of gravity on a ski slope).
So, if you've got medically implanted metal in your body, you just can't
fly from Dubai?
--
Noah
You can, but only if you leave your scalpels at the door.
--
Regards, Frank
A friend with a titanium rod in his leg travels with copies of his
x-rays and medical records.
Richard "prefer to leave my appliances in the kitchen" F
>
> I don't like to part with my wallet either. Like Gordon, I place my watch
> and wallet in a jacket pocket and that's the first thing I check for even
> before purring on my belt and shoes.
Do you also make sure that a metal band is secured in bubble wrap to insure
that it doesn't deface the watch? And/or that nothing else within that
pocket can do similarly?
I make sure there's nothing in the pocket to scratch the watch but don't
travel with bubble wrap. Most of my watches are vintage and I don't
travel with the more delicate pieces or wear them very often if at all.
E.g. a 1930's vintage IWC in an 18k snap back case and no shock
protection is not going with me to Sun Vally at the end of the month but
a 1961 vintage Rolex or a 1955 vintage Constellation might. Chances are
I'll take my new Nomos for evening wear and a Swatch Skin to wear while
skiing.
I'm just not so anal about the watches I wear. The Nomos is a limited
edition, 1 of 100 in this specific dial configuration. Yes, it's a rare
watch that sells at a premium. I like it and I wear it. It's not new
any more and will never be new again. If it gets scratched it can be
buffed.
Richard "metal bands annoy the hell out of me" F
Thanks for all of your input. You have all provided lots of
information, and have identified the issues, but I'm not sure what to
do. I most likely will travel in my Rado and leave my treasure home.
Such is life. If it was pre 9/11 this might not even be an issue, but
I just can't stand to see others handling my watch while I am held back
by security. Yikes!
And to those of you that responded with your opinion on why you would
never buy/wear/own/view my watch - who cares about your opinion? When
you reply to my completely innocent and honest question with "Well, I
would never own a rolex so I don't care about your question" you're
devaluing the entire newsgroup purpose.
Just cause you have an opinion doesn't mean you have to share it.
Don't like my Car/Job/Watch/TV/Neighborhood/education/skin
color/accent? Fuck off, we don't care.
To those of you that provided thoughtful responses - great input,
thanks a ton, you really helped.
Regards -
El Penguini - Rescuer of Penguins throughout Mexico.
My rado still looks new 10 years later. I absolutely love it - almost the
total opposite of my Rolex. Light, thin, relatively unknown. no one looks
at it and says oh, look at that, another Rado. I still get lots of oh,
nice watch, what is it? Then the blank look when I tell them.
El Penguini - Penguins is practically chickens.
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Yup, great watches. I have a couple and love them to death. I have on
big old clunky one with a diamond dial my boss gave me in 87 or so (
infact I posted about it on this newsgroup way back when it was all
clock guys) that I really can't bear to actually wear. The mid size
non-digital Ceramica is my favorite, myt wifes likes her Couple best.
The old round vs. square thing I guess.
I've heard that in Europe the most popular watch sold is Tissot
and the most populat watch sold in tghe mid line range is Rado,
but they're much less represented over here. Hard to find in stores
even in Canada, and as for parts, well, uh...
Most Rado models don't seem to make it over here. I saw a catalog
of all Rado models once in LA in 1989. Hundreds of them, yet very
few models make it over.
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> Most Rado models don't seem to make it over here. I saw a catalog
> of all Rado models once in LA in 1989. Hundreds of them, yet very
> few models make it over.
I wish there were some Rados that weren't so...Radoey. The idea of an
essentially "undamageable" watch appeals to me a lot, but for the most
part I don't care for the Rado styling paradigm.
--
Bo Williams - will...@hiwaay.net
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I have a gold and ceramic (silvery) full size Integral. It is a European
model and I have not seen another with my particular color scheme. We
bought Mrs. El Penguini a gold and gold small size Integral a few years
later. I loved the "Radoey" look, specifically sought out a nice watch that
wouldn't scream nice watch. Of course my submariner is the opposite of
that.
El Penguini - Enforcer of Penguin Protection Laws throughout Latin America
Yeah, stealth watch. I wanted a Piaget polo when I was a kid, the square one not
the round atrocity today. I thought it looked space age. At thetime they were
$15K -never mind the fact they were offering a $5K discount on the spot I
was still 19 and $400 was the end of the world for a watch as that's
what I'd just paid for a new Rolex Datejust from a authorized dealer.
Eventually the Ceramica came out and it was pretty much the same
thing but in black, not gold. Good thing as the Piaget made
me feel like a pimp when I actually tried one one.
I traded mine for a Concord of similar styling, steel with a gold
bezel ring and much thinner. I'm into thin.
But I miss the Ceramica.
A lot of it is way out there. The Ceramica at least attempts to be
understated.
"Bo Williams" <will...@hiwaay.net> wrote in message
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I am surprised to read that they are not as readily available as the
apparent demand in Canada? Actually, why not write them an email?
In any case, Rado is going through a slump in sales and revenues and
suffering from a lack of innovation.
Thanks for getting tothe botom of theMexican penguin mystery.
I found a penguin in a tidepool in Palos Verdes once. I think it
escaped from Marineland around the corner.
It was about a foot tall.
I'm just sayin', is all... ;-)
Dan
273.5 ft.
See, as long as Yeti's consider Pengiun baseballs, El Penguini will seek
truth, justice, fresh fish and ice water (the penguin motto, you know).
Great website (even if it is totally anti-penguin).
El Penguini - Patron Saint of Romantic Penguins
A Mexican newspaper reports that bored Royal Air Force pilots stationed
on the Falkland Islands have devised what they consider a marvelous new
game. Noting that the local penguins are fascinated by airplanes, the
pilots search out a beach where the birds are gathered and fly slowly
along it at the water's edge. Perhaps ten thousand penguins turn their
heads in unison watching the planes go by, and when the pilots turn
around and fly back, the birds turn their heads in the opposite
direction, like spectators at a slow-motion tennis match. Then, the
paper reports, "The pilots fly out to sea, and then directly back to the
penguin colony and overfly it. Heads go up, up, up, and ten thousand
penguins fall over gently onto their backs.
-- Audobon Society Magazine
"There are only 10 kinds of people in the world;
those who understand binary, and those who don't."
Obviously the flightless waterfowl are envious of such magnificent
flying creatures.
Richard "define rapture in this context" F
Appealing story, but it's a myth:
http://www.snopes.com/critters/wild/penguin.htm
--
Noah