Is it a "good" watch - that depends what you mean by "good". Will it keep
excellent time? Sure, until it breaks, the same as any other quartz watch.
Will it last a long time? Maybe, maybe not. Is it worth what they are
charging? No way, IMHO.
"Finite Guy" <finitethee...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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fg
http://www.ofrei.com/page753.html
As you can see the prices range from about $8 to $16. If you tell us the
model you are looking at, we could probably tell you exactly which movement
is used. There are other quartz movements that retail for a bit more. Would
it make you feel better if your $1000 quartz watch had a $50 movement
instead of a $5?
Good value in a quartz watch around $1000? There is no such thing. They are
all rip-offs. There is no reason to spend more than a couple of hundred $
unless you are buying precious metals and diamonds.
"Finite Guy" <finiteg...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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> So in your oppinion Raymond Weir is poor quality? What is a good value
> for around $1000.00? Also, when you say it is a $5.00 movement, I
> have trouble believing that. What does that mean, I can buy the
> movement for $5.00 or is the cost to make the movement?
snip
What movement is used?
http://www.raymondweil.com/masters/RW/default.asp?
<lysa...@uk2.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:20:16 -0500, "Jack Denver"
> <nunu...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> >This is not a brand that is well respected among watch people. You'll get
a
> >$5 quartz movement in a nice looking case. At least be sure that you get
40%
> >off list or you'll be overpaying.
>
>
> Do Raymond Weil only make quartz watches now? I have a Weil that I
> bought in Seattle airport duty free in 1982 and it has a Peseux 7001
> in it.
"Finite Guy" <finiteg...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:29:26 GMT, finiteg...@netscape.net (Finite
Guy) wrote:
>I'm not even sure that this is a calender watch. Is it? It is 14 K
>w/a saphire on the crown and a saphire crystal.
>
>
>On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:15:56 -0500, "Jack Denver"
<lysa...@uk2.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:54:24 -0500, "Jack Denver"
> <nunu...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>
> I own something of a rarity then, a hand-wound Raymond Weil with
> 'proper' clockwork in it :-)
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:15:56 -0500, "Jack Denver"
"Finite Guy" <finiteg...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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>So in your oppinion Raymond Weir is poor quality? What is a good value
>for around $1000.00? Also, when you say it is a $5.00 movement, I
>have trouble believing that. What does that mean, I can buy the
>movement for $5.00 or is the cost to make the movement?
A friend of mine had a Raymond Weil, and it looked very cheaply made. I
wouldn't spend much money on it.
>I don't particularly like Seiko, because generally I dislike Japanese
>products for various reasons. For one thing, the Japanese are not fond
>of Americans and why should we make them rich?
Because they make damn good products. Newsflash: Most of the world is
not fond of Americans. Are you going to boycott everyone?
--
Be seeing you.
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:51:57 -0600, Thore Karlsen <s...@6581.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:39:26 -0500, "Jack Denver"
A hundred years ago the marketing dept did not run the company.
Now the Waltham name is owned by some Swiss outfit who license the name to M Z
Berger on Long Island.
Either one, really. A $1000 watch with a quartz movement is not going to hold
resale value
or be collectable or anything else. But if the watch is what you like, then it
doesn't matter.
Radio Shack used to sell Realistic brand stereos for $800 bucks out in Podunk,
which was the same price as a Kenwood or Panasonic system.
> . For one thing, the Japanese are not fond
> of Americans and why should we make them rich?
Japanese like Americans ok. They antied up about $20 billion for the first Gulf
war.
On a different topic, around 1980 all the news magazines
were running front page articles about how the Japanese were going to rule the
economic
world. Since then, the have been in a 15 year recession brought about by
excessive
real estate lending. The Japanese are awfully meek these days. I guess the
Chinese
are going to do a number on them next with their $50 DVD players.
43 bucks? That's more than I paid for the watch!
"lysander" <lysa...@uk2.net> wrote in message
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I bougth 3 RW (one a Parsifal automatic).
They are good watch at good price.
It's a minor brand, but the work is good.
Bye bye.
"Jack Denver" <nunu...@netscape.net> ha scritto nel messaggio
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Methinks you misunderstand the nature of the planned
purchase. You hear "wristwatch" and think in terms of
horological value, but this is a question of jewellery for a
lady. That it ticks and tells the time is pretty much
incidental. And it being jewellery, the question of value
for money does not even arise. If it did, women wouldn't
dream of wearing any but the cheapest fashion jewellery.
... which is only the continuation of a time-honoured Swiss
tradition of marketing-led sales of cheap watches to
Americans (and the rest of the world). It's quite
fascinating how grubby the history of the Swiss watch
industry gets once you scratch at the glossy image and
sanitised company histories....
Envy of what?
Your high incomes, for which you have to sweat an average
2,000 hours a year?
Military might which costs you an arm and a leg and makes
you a target for every suicidal nutcase?
The quality and size of your horological industry?
I realize though that buying for women is difficult as most will regard the
amount you spend as an expression of the amount of your love. If you spend
"too little" even on a watch that is just as good, it will be taken
negatively.
"Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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possible??? suggestions ????
thanks
John
"Jack Denver" <nunu...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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Envy of the fact that a person of humble origin can become the most powerful
individual on the planet, whilst poor slobs in the UK still worship a family
of perverts because of the royal origin.
Ladies Oris Tonneau Watch
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2673282106&category=31387
or one of these:
http://servellos.com/watches/oris/rect_dd/rectangular_ddl.htm
These go for around $600US discounted (expect 40% off list, sometimes more
from a greymarket dealer e.g. http://www.bernardco.com/oris.html) ..by the
time you pay vat and duty you are around $1k us.
You can pay more if you insist (find a dealer that doesn't discount) , but I
doubt you'll get a better watch - certainly no quartz watch can hold a
candle to the Oris automatics in term of value.
"John" <trapped...@SPAM.com> wrote in message
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Odd. Whenever I walk past Buckingham Palace, the people
cramming up against the gates are not we Brits but tourists,
and mostly Americans at that....
As for humble backgrounds, Margaret Thatcher was a butcher's
daughter and John Major's father was a trapeze artist in the
circus. Not exactly oil baron ancestry....
When they were Prime Minister, they found it highly
profitable to associate with and listen to the counsel of
the person with the longest track record in government
anywhere in the industrialised world: the Queen.
A ladies Waltham c. 1910-1930 pendant with mint dial, glass front and glass
back, and 2 oz (heavy) 14 kt chain necklace. With luck you should get out for
about a grand.
> daughter and John Major's father was a trapeze artist in the
> circus. Not exactly oil baron ancestry....
Bush Sr was a traveling salesman for Hughes, selling drill bits. He bought a
few oil leases. His first political job was as Republican Party chairman in
Houston, before running for congress and losing the election. He was never an
oil baron, though he is said to have had a large Rolodex.
"Kent Betts" <kent...@techisp.com> wrote in message
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The truly sad thing is that he could have been a pretty
decent monarch. He's reasonably bright, knows his stuff,
has ideas and opinions which he shares with a large part of
the public (whatever the press may say, lots of people
actually like old-fashioned housing and watercolour
landscapes). Unfortunately, he has been trained from birth
for a job which he is still waiting to do when the rest of
us are already slowly starting to think of retirement, and a
job at that which is currently performed by his extremely
competent mother.
> Envy of the fact that a person of humble origin can become the most powerful
> individual on the planet,
Pay a visit downtown to the spit'n'sawdust post offices and the poor
sitting on the steps and see how it really is in the USA!
And yes, I do know -- I once lived within the city boundaries in Detroit!
> whilst poor slobs in the UK still worship a family
> of perverts because of the royal origin.
Whilst in the US the slobs worship a dynasty of bootleggers by the name
of Kennedy.
That isn't where the dollars and lives had to come from which saved both
your and the rest of the entire worlds' asses from the Axis Powers.
Lend-Lease moneys didn't derive from those "spit'n'sawdust" places nor the
Royal Family, including Prince Tampon.
> > whilst poor slobs in the UK still worship a family
> > of perverts because of the royal origin.
>
> Whilst in the US the slobs worship a dynasty of bootleggers by the name
> of Kennedy.
>
Unfortunately the nut (and his accomplices ?) who pulled the trigger in
Dallas didn't worship him.
"Norman Schwartz" <nm...@att.net> wrote in message news:<iaQxb.351158$0v4.19...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
No idea about Kennedys or Clintons. However a local jeweler told me
that the new "governator" of California wears a Roger Dubois. She had
one of the matching "just like his" in stock too. Only $13k.
Walt
-...-
Walt Spector
(w6ws at earthlink dot net)
>> I wonder what brands of watches all the fabulous (or not so fabulous)
>> critters mentioned in some of the previous email actually wear, and
>> how accurate they are....
>No idea about Kennedys or Clintons. However a local jeweler told me
>that the new "governator" of California wears a Roger Dubois. She had
>one of the matching "just like his" in stock too. Only $13k.
Arnold is known for wearing mostly Audemars Piguet Royal Oaks. They've
made several just for him, like the one in Terminator 3.
--
Be seeing you.
>
> I don't particularly like Seiko, because generally I dislike Japanese
> products for various reasons. For one thing, the Japanese are not fond
> of Americans and why should we make them rich?
>
> fg
>
Wake up, almost nobody are fond of Americans, but they do make some good
products.
Far worse lysander, you turned away immigrants, prevented others from
landing (the sun never sets on the empire you know), scratched your b---s,
didn't even whine, and along with the frogs, was willing to hand the world
over to Adolf until the super-race started to bomb them off. I wonder what
Little Prince Tampon would have had to say if he were alive at the time.
> http://www.historyguide.org/europe/munich.html
>
>
"Norman Schwartz" <nm...@att.net> wrote in message news:<_B2yb.355511$0v4.19...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
I know that Bill Clinton isn't exactly reticent and
discriminating when it comes to dalliance with the female
sex, but the image of Maggie and him is just too gross....
:-))
Nobody is innocent. Anybody starts throwing rocks, the
chances are pretty good that they will discover post-haste
that they do live in a glasshouse.
If you accuse us of turning away immigrants, I could point
out the fate of the 1,000 Jewish refugees on board the SS St
Louis which were refused entry into the US and sent straight
back to Europe where most of them died.
As for Lend-Lease, we paid for every grain of wheat, every
drop of oil and every bullet America sent us. It was a
straightforward business deal which took us a while to pay
and it almost bankrupted us, but we did it. OTOH, the
American government never did pay reparations for
dispossessing and expropriating private British property
during the Revolution, as promised in the peace treaty.
As I said -- we all sit in glass houses....
Michael
in article B%6yb.128673$Ec1.5...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net,
Norman Schwartz at nm...@att.net wrote on 11/29/03 8:06 PM:
SCB
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<lysa...@uk2.net> wrote in message
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> in article
> B%6yb.128673$Ec1.5...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net,
> Norman Schwartz at nm...@att.net wrote on 11/29/03 8:06 PM:
>
> >> Far worse lysander, you turned away immigrants, prevented others from
> >> landing (the sun never sets on the empire you know), scratched your
b---s,
> >> didn't even whine, and along with the frogs, was willing to hand the
world
> >> over to Adolf until the super-race started to bomb them off. I wonder
what
> >> Little Prince Tampon would have had to say if he were alive at the
time.
>
>
> At least we didn't hang around for 3 years until we saw it was to our
> advanatge to join in.
It's good to know who's who. Thus I take it you endorse the observations
and opinions put forth by Mr. Schwartz and view them as an appropriate
expression of an opinion, in spite of the insulting racial connotation they
contained. And your insight makes you observe mine as diatribe. Perhaps you
should review the entire thread before telling anyone where to take
anything. Why didn't you speak up before in view of all that pointless
diatribe and insults being flung. And if you have read the entire thread I
rest my case and your post speaks for itself..
Simon Bryquer
"Brian Talley" <bta...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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Do what you will. This is a pointless tiff, however.
An amazing post. I have no idea what the hell you are talking about.
Heheh...it is such an honor to read a post by someone who is put off by racism.
Perhaps you are the reincarnation of Ghandi or something.
From what I can tell on the BBC, the UK has let in a lot of foreigners and is worse
off for it. The reason the people emmigrate to England is that it is a nation of laws
and has a good economy. What bothers me about letting in a bunch of immigrants is
that they are coming from some country where their cultural practices, fate, and
history have resulted in dictatorships and poverty. And so we are supposed to believe
that importing specimens from this gene pool is supposed to improve the economic and
social circumstances of a nation that has enjoyed democratic customs and advanced
social and educational infrastructure for several centuries? I think not. This is
generally referred to as "diversity", which means basically nothing, as the value of
the immigrant is directly proportional to the degree that they emulate prevailing
moral and social conventions of the community in which they reside.
From here in Texas I can see that in a hundred years the minority of European
descendant will wonder out loud "Why did they let this happen?" There should
obviously be a fence built between the US and Mexico to stop the one or two million
illegal immigrants from entering the country annualy. This would be bad enough, but
it fails to convey the practical effect in it entireity, as it is not unusual to find
23 year old Mexican women with eight children and a round belly. It is simply too
many immigrants. It is amazing to me that the US gov't feels that the risk of
offending the Mexican government makes the fence option unacceptable, while the
tangible burden of illegal immigrants from Mexico on the school and hospitals and the
disregard for legal immigration is many time more offensive. I would tell the
Mexicans "We built a fence because we want you to stay out. If you feel unwanted, it
is because over here, you are unwanted and are most particularly not welcome." And
raymond weill is probably an average watch.