Seiko question..
Jim Bianchi
one of the very few wristwatches I've ever had that fit my (narrow) wrist
without having to take out links or whatever. Natch, I'm very pleased.
Anyway, she's unclear about exactly what it is, or what it's worth.
(It was purchased on the street.) Can anyone provide any data on it? On the
back, it says: SEIKO, WATER RESISTANT, ST. STEEL, 7N42-6C10, R1 (R1 is in a
square box), MOVEMENT JAPAN, 364917. It appears to have a quartz movement,
and a date indicator only (no day/month/year/whatever), on a black dial,
which has the name SEIKO on it and goldish roman numeral hour markers,
goldish hands, goldish sweep second hand.
At the very bottom (6 o'clock) of the dial is written (in really
eentsy letters): 'MOV'T JAPAN 7N42-6C78 MR 2'. The bezel has a goldish trim,
the rest of the watch is silverish. The band appears distinctly high-end,
with goldish trim in the center with silverish on either side. The clasp is
one of those that you push on a dealie on either side to release.
I've not yet been able to open the case to inspect the movement (any
pointers here'd be appreciated). What is this watch? What is it's value?
"There are only 10 kinds of people in the world;
those who understand binary, and those who don't."
NE333RO
>pointers here'd be appreciated).
Stay out of it. All you'll do is screw it up.
Jim Bianchi
Actually, all I wanted to do was to verify that it was a Seiko
movement and possibly find out what type it was. I didn't intend to do any
kind of adjustments or maintenance on it.
Eric Jorgensen
ji...@sonic.net (Jim Bianchi) wrote:
> On 25 Dec 2004 20:03:35 GMT, NE333RO wrote:
> >>I've not yet been able to open the case to inspect the movement (any
> >>pointers here'd be appreciated).
> >
> > Stay out of it. All you'll do is screw it up.
>
> Actually, all I wanted to do was to verify that it was a Seiko
> movement and possibly find out what type it was. I didn't intend to do
> any kind of adjustments or maintenance on it.
It's a 7n24. Says so on the case.
Jim Bianchi
Fine. (Only it says '7n42.') It could say 'Ricearoni' on the
movement which'd make it a counterfeit. I've no way of knowing that until it
is opened up. What's 7n42 mean? Is that a quality movement?
dAz
> Hey, my roomate just gave me a Seiko wristwatch for Christmas. It's
> one of the very few wristwatches I've ever had that fit my (narrow) wrist
> without having to take out links or whatever. Natch, I'm very pleased.
>
> Anyway, she's unclear about exactly what it is, or what it's worth.
> (It was purchased on the street.) Can anyone provide any data on it? On the
> back, it says: SEIKO, WATER RESISTANT, ST. STEEL, 7N42-6C10, R1 (R1 is in a
> square box), MOVEMENT JAPAN, 364917. It appears to have a quartz movement,
> and a date indicator only (no day/month/year/whatever), on a black dial,
> which has the name SEIKO on it and goldish roman numeral hour markers,
> goldish hands, goldish sweep second hand.
made June 2003, enter the movement 7N42 and case no. 6C10 in the boxes
and see the models available, http://service.seiko.com.au/
>
> At the very bottom (6 o'clock) of the dial is written (in really
> eentsy letters): 'MOV'T JAPAN 7N42-6C78 MR 2'. The bezel has a goldish trim,
> the rest of the watch is silverish. The band appears distinctly high-end,
> with goldish trim in the center with silverish on either side. The clasp is
> one of those that you push on a dealie on either side to release.
stainless steel two tone case and bracelet, that number is the dial
reference number, the clasp sound the same as the one on my Seiko auto,
nice and positive
>
> I've not yet been able to open the case to inspect the movement (any
> pointers here'd be appreciated). What is this watch? What is it's value?
>
don't try and open it because you will stuff up the water resistance,
this is the service manual for the movement
http://service.seiko.com.au/Service2/tg/data/7N42C&7N43C.pdf
as for what its worth, well its a christmas present, you don't ask that
sort of question, it's a present, just say thank you, wear it and enjoy
it :)
merry Christmas!
Jim Bianchi
>Jim Bianchi wrote:
>> Hey, my roomate just gave me a Seiko wristwatch for Christmas. It's
>> one of the very few wristwatches I've ever had that fit my (narrow) wrist
>> without having to take out links or whatever. Natch, I'm very pleased.
>>
>> Anyway, she's unclear about exactly what it is, or what it's worth.
>> (It was purchased on the street.) Can anyone provide any data on it? On
>> the back, it says: SEIKO, WATER RESISTANT, ST. STEEL, 7N42-6C10, R1 (R1
>> is in a square box), MOVEMENT JAPAN, 364917. It appears to have a quartz
>> movement, and a date indicator only (no day/month/year/whatever), on a
>> black dial, which has the name SEIKO on it and goldish roman numeral hour
>> markers, goldish hands, goldish sweep second hand.
>
>made June 2003, enter the movement 7N42 and case no. 6C10 in the boxes
>and see the models available, http://service.seiko.com.au/
Good. I was hoping you'd answer with one of your very informative
posts. Thanks. FYI, my watch is the SGE514P9 as shown by that page. (Of
course, my dial color COULD be a really dark blue, but it looks black.)
>stainless steel two tone case and bracelet, that number is the dial
>reference number, the clasp sound the same as the one on my Seiko auto,
>nice and positive
Yup. The whole affair has a nice, positive, look and feel. Comes to
it, it suits me just fine. The thing only tells the TIME. Not the phase of
the moons of Jupiter, it isn't a calculating engine, a television camera, or
a telephone. It's a WATCH. It does have a window that shows the date, but
not the year, month, or day. It tells me the TIME (and date). I like it. (Oh
and I'm signing up members for the International Luddite Society [grin].)
>don't try and open it because you will stuff up the water resistance,
Yessir, I won't. Merry Merry and Happy Happy to you too.
Jack Denver
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Jim Bianchi
>About $200 list roughly but you might be able to get it at considerable
>discount.
Thanks, guy, for this info. She knows nothing about the relative
worth or value of any kind of watch, and I'm not much better, She was just
wondering if it was worth what she paid a street vendor for it ($40). It
appears brand new (unused), and natch, came with no box or papers. So she
was even unsure as to what it was -- except that it LOOKED nice, and for
that price, she prob couldn't go very wrong.
Eric Jorgensen
ji...@sonic.net (Jim Bianchi) wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 15:37:56 -0700, Eric Jorgensen wrote:
> >On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 22:32:02 GMT
> >ji...@sonic.net (Jim Bianchi) wrote:
> >> On 25 Dec 2004 20:03:35 GMT, NE333RO wrote:
> >> >>I've not yet been able to open the case to inspect the movement (any
> >> >>pointers here'd be appreciated).
> >> >
> >> > Stay out of it. All you'll do is screw it up.
> >>
> >> Actually, all I wanted to do was to verify that it was a Seiko
> >> movement and possibly find out what type it was. I didn't intend to do
> >> any kind of adjustments or maintenance on it.
> >
> > It's a 7n24. Says so on the case.
>
> Fine. (Only it says '7n42.') It could say 'Ricearoni' on the
> movement which'd make it a counterfeit. I've no way of knowing that until
> it is opened up. What's 7n42 mean? Is that a quality movement?
Sorry, typo. Yes, 7n42. If you check the google archive of this group,
recently someone pointed out a website where you can enter the movement and
case id (the numbers you pointed out) and it will tell you the model
reference number, and then you could compare yours to that reference
number. Most fake quartz seikos don't try to look like a particular model.
They may say "S-Wave" or something on them but don't bear strong
resemblance to any one watch.
As for the quality, there isn't a whole lot of variation in quartz
movements between about $20 and about $800, price for the whole watch at
least.
The very cheapest quartz movements have a lot of plastic parts that work
perfectly well but have little enraging issues like this walmart beater i
bought when i had no money and no working watches - the movement of the
crown is so loose that it's nearly impossible to set the time without
nudging it 10 minutes in one direction or another when pushing it back in.
A good quartz movement still has a lot of plastic parts that work
perfectly well, and still no jewels. The level of accuracy and lifespan
between a $20 or so, lets say, Relic (by Fossil) and the walmart $7 job is
pretty much the same, but the Relic won't have the pissoff factor of the
walmart watch.
When you start paying more than $100 for a quartz watch they start
making more of the movement parts out of brass and even use jewels some
time, which is neither here nor there because the probable lifespan of the
watch is essentially the same. You are far more likely to have a failure
due to shards of ferrous metal stuck to the magnet than you are to have a
gear or pivot issue - incidentally, one of the hazards of opening the case
back.
When you start paying a whole stinking lot of money for a quartz watch,
you start getting things like perpetual calendars that know how many days
are in the current month and whether it's a leap year. And you get a lot
more accuracy - which is on the order of a couple seconds per month better
than the $7 walmart unit.
The perpetual calendar is neat, I'll admit.
The only feature other than that, that i'd really look for in a quartz
watch, is what sort of battery it uses. I have an old timex indiglo analog
that just won't die (which is a real shame as i don't care for the gold
tone plating on the stainless steel case anymore, which has already rubbed
completely off the lugs) -- but this thing has a 3v lithium battery in it,
and the first one lasted me 8 years. The less often you have to open the
case the better.
I prescribe to the school of thought that proposes that the 'eco-drive'
and 'kinetic' movements are a scam. OK, 'scam' is probably uncalled-for,
but they do not deliver what they were designed to deliver. I'm sure the
engineers had the best of intentions, but it just hasn't panned out.
Seiko swears they fixed the capacitor problem in their older movements
that meant that instead of lasting 8 years and then needing a $6 battery
change like my Timex, a Seiko Kinetic would last 8 years and then need a
$75 capacitor. And my timex keeps running if i leave it in the drawer for
six months.
The newer kinetic movements use a sealed rechargeable battery that's
supposed to last forever and never leak, but you should ask anyone who's
owned a Synchronar about leak-proof immortal rechargeable batteries.
The SpringDrive appears to really accomplish what the Kinetic and
Ecodrive can't. As soon as i can buy one for $150 I'm all over it. I've
got better things to do with $3000.
NE333RO
>movement and possibly find out what type it was. I didn't intend to do any
>kind of adjustments or maintenance on it.
Doesn't matter. As soon as you open it up (assuming you get it open) it's a
good bet you cut down the life of the first battery by half, and the watches
life, assuming it's real, down by half also. Just my opinion, take it for what
it cost you.