Clicking when winding
Michael & Monica Dale Pantano
being wound. Obviously this isn't as it should be, but I was wondering
what it actually indicates? Will winding such a watch cause more harm or
is whatever is causing the clicking such that any growing damage will be
confined to that part?
In other words, is a watch with such a problem better off at the
watchmaker's now or can it wait without incurring something far more
costly to repair?
Thanks!
Michael
Thore B. Karlsen
Are these automatic watches? They start clicking when they're fully
wound. It's just the clutch preventing the watch from being overwound,
and it's perfectly normal.
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Michael & Monica Dale Pantano
question is a deco era (pre-1930) ladies Elgin.
Thanks!
Michael
Thore B. Karlsen
<mdpa...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Hello Thore, no, they're older manula wind watches. The one that prompted my
>question is a deco era (pre-1930) ladies Elgin.
Ah, I see. Sorry, can't be of any help there. :)
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Michael & Monica Dale Pantano
ratcheting click one hears when one winds a normal, fully functional watch.
This is a louder click and only happens sporadically.
If the normal ratcheting click has a noise value of, say, one or two, the click
I am describing has a value of about 5. Quite simply it isn't a normal sound
made by winding a manual wrist watch of any sort made from the teens thru the
60's or even later. Where the ratcheting click (from the "click" or ratcheting
pawl ... thanks for the term :) ..... ) is constant in the ratcheting direction
when winding, the click I am describing is once per turn, but not on every
turn. It is more random and clearly a noise that shouldn't be there. Also, the
click can be "felt" in the crown while winding. Sorta like something slipping.
Michael
dAz
> Steve, thanks for the reply. The clicking I am describing is not the
> normal ratcheting click one hears when one winds a normal, fully
> functional watch. This is a louder click and only happens sporadically.
>
> If the normal ratcheting click has a noise value of, say, one or two,
> the click I am describing has a value of about 5. Quite simply it isn't
> a normal sound made by winding a manual wrist watch of any sort made
> from the teens thru the 60's or even later. Where the ratcheting click
> (from the "click" or ratcheting pawl ... thanks for the term :) ..... )
> is constant in the ratcheting direction when winding, the click I am
> describing is once per turn, but not on every turn. It is more random
> and clearly a noise that shouldn't be there. Also, the click can be
> "felt" in the crown while winding. Sorta like something slipping.
>
sounds like a worn or damaged winding pinion and crown wheel, it could
also be a loose crown wheel, don't wind it again until you someone to
check it.
akwatch
Most likely reason is the hole in the mainplate being worn (where the stem
fits in) - this make the ratchet wheel slip on the crown wheel when winding-
these two mesh at 90 degrees.
I've repaired these by drilling the hole larger & fitting a round tube - but
size needs to be quite accurate.
Continued winding with the clicking is likely to wear the wheels teeth or
bearings.
Cheers,
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Yours Faithfully,
Mark Wild
Auckland Watch Company - New Zealand
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time2burn
Michael & Monica Dale Pantano wrote:
> Steve, thanks for the reply. The clicking I am describing is not the normal
> ratcheting click one hears when one winds a normal, fully functional watch.
> This is a louder click and only happens sporadically.
Does the watch eventually wind to a stop? If not, my guess would be
that the mainspring has broken or otherwise detached itself from the
arbor or the barrel wall.
However, another possibility is that the crwon and/or ratchet wheel
screws have loosened, allowing one or both to pass over/under each other
or the winding pinion a pressure increases. A stem and winding pinion
that are heavily worn can create similar symptoms with the winding
pinion slipping under the crown wheel. In my experience, the stem,
winding pinion, and clutch wheel seem to take the lion's share of the
wear, especially on manual wind movements.
If you're comfortable with removing the case back, chances are that
any of the scenarios I've described would be plainly visible if
carefully observed while slowly winding the watch. Even if you are not
comfortable tightening the drive wheel screws yourself, at least you
would be able to take it to someone and tell them exactly what's wrong
with it rather. Maybe. There could always be another gremlin lurking in
there, somewhere....
A word of warning. Screws may loosen entirely only to be held in place
by the case back so, best to lie the watch flat on a level surface and
open with all the tender loving care you can muster *and* be prepared to
arrest any would be runaways.
Best,
t2b
Michael & Monica Dale Pantano
Thanks for all the help. Given what you've each offered, I'll bring the watch to
someone, although I will probably inspect it as t2b described. And maybe even
look for that loose screw that might be there .....
To answer one of your questions, yes, the watch winds to full stop and works
just fine. In fact, I have two watches that do this. The small 14 kt ladies
Elgin that I mentioned earlier, and a man's Lord Elgin.
My real question was answered well enough for me in several of your posts. It
had to do with whether winding such watches would lead to further, more
widespread damage or if winding might continue to simply wear a single, already
worn part. It seems from what you've all offered that the possibility of the
damage becoming more widespread is there, so I'll have both watches serviced.
Thanks for your help. It is much appreciated.
Michael (the pen guy who now seems to be setting foot in the area where one
becomes a watch guy)
Genway Gao
1)If clicking are constantly and on every turn of your finger, then it
is most likely the winding wheel worn or screw for winding wheel
loose.
2)If clicking interuptly or irregularly, but on every turn, it is a
broken sliding pinion.
3)if some times smooth, other times clicking, you will need a set
bridge (set lever jumper).
No, none of thess case will change the price tag of a repair before or
after completly broke.
Genway Gao