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David Queen

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Mar 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/18/99
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Found a sight that shows that the bible does not say
homosexuality is wrong. If homosexuality is a matter of
choice then we all were homosexual when we were young.

http://www.angelfire.com/oh2/bibhom/homosex.html

If god is at the Helm there ain't no one at the wheel.

Wally Hess

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Mar 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/19/99
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You do certainly err
David Queen wrote in message <36F18439...@iname.com>...

Dolf Boek

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Mar 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/20/99
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Wally Hess <whe...@rconnect.com> wrote:
You do certainly err

DOLF BOEK RESPONDS:
How so? The 'Yahad' Dead Sea Scroll appeared to believe that eunuchs as
idolatrous and cultic sacred temple harlots and abominations where
heterosexual. That means they cannot possibily be conveyed as a model of
gender and sexual identity behaviour which you seek to apply to homosexuals.

Furthermore the Dead Sea Scrolls convey that the symbolism of Sons of Belial
with their sexual proclavities, is applied to the false doctirnes of
Pharisees as religionists.

It appears that your prejudice against homosexuals is not supported by
Scripture.


--

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or service.


Aaron

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Mar 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/20/99
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In article <7cv4qk$o88$1...@remarQ.com>, "Wally Hess" <whe...@rconnect.com> wrote:

> You do certainly err

Oh look! a _witty rejoinder_. Hi Wally! Remember me? The fat hairy guy?

No? Well _fuck_ you then!

<plonk>

Ahh... that's better.

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John De Salvio

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Mar 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/20/99
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In article <7cv4qk$o88$1...@remarQ.com>, "Wally Hess" <whe...@rconnect.com> wrote:

> You do certainly err

And just what are your credentials?

What is your expertise in the history, languages, politics, customs,
archeology, medicine, etc. of ancient Egypt, Palestine, etc.?

Or do you just swallow whole everything that is fed to you?

--
John

NOTE: "From" address is deliberately wrong.
My correct e-mail address is:

desalvio["AT" SYMBOL]monitor.net

Marsha Brady

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Mar 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/20/99
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Are you a republican or a demacrat?


Ell...@webtv.net wrote:
I have had sex with a differant male partner every day for the last six
months.
sometime's two time's in one day!
Nobody can beat that!
My four inch dick has seen more teenage boys than chelsie clinton!


Rumpelstiltskin

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Mar 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/20/99
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On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 15:05:28 +1100, "Dolf Boek" <dolf...@bigpond.com>
wrote:

>Wally Hess <whe...@rconnect.com> wrote:
>You do certainly err
>

>DOLF BOEK RESPONDS:
>How so? The 'Yahad' Dead Sea Scroll appeared to believe that eunuchs as
>idolatrous and cultic sacred temple harlots and abominations where
>heterosexual. That means they cannot possibily be conveyed as a model of
>gender and sexual identity behaviour which you seek to apply to homosexuals.
>
>Furthermore the Dead Sea Scrolls convey that the symbolism of Sons of Belial
>with their sexual proclavities, is applied to the false doctirnes of
>Pharisees as religionists.
>
>It appears that your prejudice against homosexuals is not supported by
>Scripture.


Personally I could care less what that vile book says about
anything, though I very much care about what people think it
says and how they justify persecuting others because of those
ideas. What most people think it says, whether or not it does,
is that homosexuality is against Jehovah.


Please remove the capital X's from my e-mail address.
They are meant to thwart unsolicited commercial mail.

Dolf Boek

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Mar 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/21/99
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Rumpelstiltskin <Xjmw...@hooked.netX> wrote:
Personally I could care less what that vile book says about anything, though
I very much care about what people think it says and how they justify
persecuting others because of those ideas. What most people think it says,
whether or not it does, is that homosexuality is against Jehovah.

DOLF BOEK RESPONDS:
The book clearly demonstrates that modern interpretations placed upon
Scripture are inconsistent with historical perspectives held by most
Christians. Mind you amongst the Dead Sea Scrolls was also found the oldest
known copy of the book of Isaiah. Previous versions were something like
1,000 years later. The prophet Isaiah is referenced by New Testament
authors some 90 times.

Robert Bryan Lipton

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Mar 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/22/99
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Ferg wrote in message <7d6ijj$v4b$1...@bomb.dynamite.com.au>...
A BUNCH OF CRAP


So, tell me, why do you people think that we in such groups as
alt.usage.english are interested in your ignorant, paranoid ravings? What
makes you think that anyone, anyplace cares what you think about anything?

I've been wondering abut this recently as lunatics like ferg -- note,
people, that losers of this variety reside in Australia, as well as the
United States -- why, as I was saying, lunatics like ferg post their
incoherent drivelling in our group.

Bob


Ferg

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Mar 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/23/99
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Rumpelstiltskin wrote in message <36f3e476...@news.supernews.com>...

> Personally I could care less what that vile book says about

Why do americans have such trouble with the english language?

What is so difficult about the concept of "couldn't care less.."?

Stick to the monosyllables in future, like the rest of your countrymen.

dotcom

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Mar 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/23/99
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OK, howzabout "I don't give a flying fuck what the buybull says"?

or, "The buybull is so full of shit that I'm afraid to touch it, for
fear that I'll get some of that shit on me."

or, "Fuck you, you brit asshole."

On second thought, strike the last. I guess you need *something* to feel
superior about, and I'd hate to take away someone's cherished illusion.

dotcom, off...

I am atheist 1469. Wanna make something of it?

DK

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Mar 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/23/99
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they just try to get support for their lunatic drivel everywhere they can,
instead of standing their own man and fighting in the gruops the fight
started...!
Sorry for the crossposting/crossreply BTW!!

Robert Bryan Lipton

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Mar 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/23/99
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dotcom wrote in message <36F7A0A8...@navix.net>...
egotistical ravings

We in alt.usage.english are totally uninterested in your self-involved
crusade to use fistfuls of turds to choke someone else. Get it off
alt.usage.english.


Robert Bryan Lipton

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Mar 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/23/99
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DK wrote in message <36F7F3DD...@telekabel.nl>...
a shitload of imbecilic idiocy attempting to demonstrate why his
crossposting is someone else's fault.

I don't want your worthless apology, you moronic prat. I want you and the
whole gang of morons screaming at each other gone.

Bob


Rasmus Neikes

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Mar 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/23/99
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May I suggest a killfile and follow-ups for your own posts then? You
asked a question and were given a genuine answer. It DOES requiore an
explanation to understand ferg, I guess... there is not a lot we can do
about it, since ferg keeps re-inserting his cross-postings if we delete
them. I am sure I tried it a while ago.

Rasmus.

fups!

--
There was a point to this story, but it has temporarily escaped the
chronicler's mind. (D. Adams)

Robert Lieblich

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Mar 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/23/99
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Robert Bryan Lipton wrote:
>
> Ferg wrote in message <7d6ijj$v4b$1...@bomb.dynamite.com.au>...
> A BUNCH OF CRAP
>
> So, tell me, why do you people think that we in such groups as
> alt.usage.english are interested in your ignorant, paranoid ravings? What
> makes you think that anyone, anyplace cares what you think about anything?
>
> I've been wondering abut this recently as lunatics like ferg -- note,
> people, that losers of this variety reside in Australia, as well as the
> United States -- why, as I was saying, lunatics like ferg post their
> incoherent drivelling in our group.

Sadly, Bob, he posted to AUE a matter of English usage. It was that old
chestnut about how stupid Americans must be to say "I could care less"
when everyone knows it should be "couldn't." No doubt he expected a
chorus of disapproval from the prescriptivists that he imagines lurk
among us. If he gave even a tiny percentage of a rat's ass, he could
have gone to DejaNews and found the dozens of prior threads on the
subject instead of posting his little rant and making a fool of himself
for a half dozen newsgroups to see. (If they're going to drool all over
us, we can toss some usage bombs at them, no?)

Ferg, you jerg -- there's nothing wrong with "I could care less." It's
a standard American idiom in a sarcastic vein. Don't let the door hit
you in the ass as you leave.

Bob Lieblich

Robert Bryan Lipton

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Mar 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/23/99
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Robert Lieblich wrote in message <36F7FE...@erols.com>...

Indeed. Not a word about sheep or food in the bunch. You'll be pleased
to know, Bob, that as my mitzvah, I am posting a flame to this thread every
time it shows up on alt.usage.english until they go away. Maybe, given some
really heavy thought on their parts ... by their standards anyway... it
will occur to them that this problem could be solved by either abandoning
the thread or fixing the the newgroup field. But then, that would require
*some* level of thought on the part of one of them.

It is apparent to me that none of them have any more concern for their
fellow humans (1) than a rabid dog or Rushton. However, I have observed
that even a dog can understand a tone of voice. Let's see if any of them
have the intelligence of a Pekingese.

(1) A dangerous assumption, since they hang out on newsgroups where
subhuman geeks lurk waiting for a chance to have someone flick a Bic by
their spurting anuses.


Mermaid

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Mar 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/23/99
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Robert Bryan Lipton wrote in message
<7d95qh$7qo$1...@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...

>
>Robert Lieblich wrote in message <36F7FE...@erols.com>...
>>Robert Bryan Lipton wrote:
>>>
>>> Ferg wrote in message <7d6ijj$v4b$1...@bomb.dynamite.com.au>...
>>> A BUNCH OF CRAP

A bunch of crap ? That is surely another very weak Americanism.

I suspect somebody has snipped the original.

Robert Bryan Lipton

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Mermaid wrote in message <7d9du2$pp3$1...@dosa.alt.net>...

>>A bunch of crap ? That is surely another very weak Americanism.
>
>I suspect somebody has snipped the original.

I'll tell you what, Mermaid, you festering pile of garbage. Why don't yopu
go swimming in a septic tank and keep away from aue?

Bob
>
>


P&D Schultz

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Mar 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/23/99
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Ferg wrote:
> Why do americans have such trouble with the english language?
> What is so difficult about the concept of "couldn't care less.."?
> Stick to the monosyllables in future, like the rest of your countrymen.

Welcome, learner! I'm sure you will enjoy our beautiful English
language, once you have begun to understand how we are using it!
I recommend that you find a native speaker to tutor you, so that
you may begin to find its idiomatic use less annoying! Good luck!
//P. Schultz, USA

Douglas H. Wildoner

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Mar 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/23/99
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Robert Bryan Lipton wrote:


I can understand your outrage at this leaking over into your baliwick, but
must ask why you didn't trim the headers back to that place where this
document originated from?

Angles Germanic

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Mar 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/23/99
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Robert Bryan Lipton wrote:

> DK wrote in message <36F7F3DD...@telekabel.nl>...
> a shitload of imbecilic idiocy attempting to demonstrate why his
> crossposting is someone else's  fault.
>
> I don't want your worthless apology, you moronic prat.   I want you and the
> whole gang of morons screaming at each other gone.
>
> Bob

  I have dyslexia so I won't try to pretend I know english. Unlike
you who thinks he is intelligent, and all must bow before you.
Richard Feynman (a physicist) someone far smarter then you will
ever be loved to make fun of those that were obsessed with
epaulets, the pope is a walking epaulet, he commented: he was
asked to join the American Physical Society, and briefly join,
but quit. Because they sat around voting on who was w o r t h y
to join the ranks of epaulets. So he quit, and went to a college
where if he did not want to teach he did not have to, the same
one Einstein was at.

In the Liberal Arts this could be a Masters thesis if the dialectic
were fleshed out with critique and dialog illuminating the
hermeneutics of discourse, possibly through a heuristic approach to
semiotic textual deconstruction taking note of ergodic exhaustion of
the multi-dimensional knowledge space and its significance vis a vis
the Second law of Thermodynamics and Claude Shannon's information
theory contrasted with an intensive Feminist approach to universal
understanding.

What does this have to do with anything, not a damn thing, but
I wasted your time like you are us. If you do like us in ""YOUR""
newsgroup don't read it Anus

Ward Stewart

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Mar 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/24/99
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On Tue, 23 Mar 1999 05:48:44 -0500, "Robert Bryan Lipton"
<bobl...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>Robert Lieblich wrote in message <36F7FE...@erols.com>...
>>Robert Bryan Lipton wrote:
>>>
>>> Ferg wrote in message <7d6ijj$v4b$1...@bomb.dynamite.com.au>...
>>> A BUNCH OF CRAP
>>>

And, furthermore, news-groups infested with fools, like the above,
who choose to crosspost their smug yap to:

alt.atheism,
alt.bible,
alt.conspiracy,
alt.fan.jesus-christ,
alt.homosexuality
alt.nuke.the.USA,
alt.politics.homosexuality
alt.usage.english,
misc.education.language.english

ward

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
"The default condition for a citizen in our republic is that in any
harmless matter he is FREE to act as he will. He is NOT to be
restricted by prejudices and animosity amongst his neighbors --
if THEY wish to restrain him from his freedom, THEY must
demonstrate the public interest in so restricting him."
Uncle Ward
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

Larry Phillips

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Mar 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/24/99
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Good idea, buttmunch. Now KEEP it over there.

DK

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Mar 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/24/99
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go call your mama a moronic prat, I wasn't even screaming at you!!
And as far as i'm concerned this discussion in this gruop is over...
<filter group>

Mermaid

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Mar 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/24/99
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Robert Bryan Lipton wrote in message
<7d9eku$mvp$1...@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...

That's not a very healthy attitude, is it ? I write a perfectly simple and
straightforward comment about an interesting turn of phrase, and you heap
abuse on me. Just the kind of thing that may make me want to subscribe to
AUE. I suspect you are a troll.


Douglas H. Wildoner

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Mar 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/24/99
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Larry Phillips wrote:


Larry, that kind of insulting statement is what would continue to fuel an
insult filled dialog for the next 3 or 4 months. I have seen it happen many
times. If you would point out where I insulted you, I would understand your
response. However, I believe I was empathetic in my response... and, I had also
ensured I removed the extraneous headers to preclude further cross-postings.


Robert Lieblich

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Mar 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/24/99
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Ferg wrote:
>
> Robert Bryan Lipton wrote in message
> <7d87e8$rtm$1...@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...

> >
> >Ferg wrote in message <7d6ijj$v4b$1...@bomb.dynamite.com.au>...
> > A BUNCH OF CRAP
> >
> >
> >So, tell me, why do you people think that we in such groups as
> >alt.usage.english are interested in your ignorant, paranoid ravings? What
> >makes you think that anyone, anyplace cares what you think about anything?
> >
> > I've been wondering abut this recently as lunatics like ferg -- note,
> >people, that losers of this variety reside in Australia, as well as the
> >United States -- why, as I was saying, lunatics like ferg post their
> >incoherent drivelling in our group.
>
> Because it upsets me to see americans ignorantly butchering what used to be
> such a great language.
>
> Please explain why so many people say "could care less" when they mean
> "couldn't care less"?
>
> Lowering of education standards in america, perhaps?

Where did you learn that "america" starts with a lower-case letter?
Some place with lowered education standards?

AUE has a FAQ. Among the places where you can find it is:

http://www.cs.ruu.nl/wais/html/na-dir/alt-usage-english-faq.html

Here's what it says about "could care less":

<quote>

The idiom "couldn't care less", meaning "doesn't care at all"
(the meaning in full is "cares so little that he couldn't possibly
care less"), originated in Britain around 1940. "Could care less",
which is used with the same meaning, developed in the U.S. around
1960. We get disputes about whether the latter was originally a
mis-hearing of the former; whether it was originally ironic; or
whether it arose from uses where the negative element was separated
from "could" ("None of these writers could care less..."). Henry
Churchyard believes that this sentence by Jane Austen may be
pertinent: "You know nothing and you care less, as people say."
(_Mansfield Park_ (1815), Chapter 29) Meaning-saving elaborations
have also been suggested: "As if I could care less!"; "I could care
less, but I'd have to try"; "If I cared even one iota -- which I
don't --, then I could care less."

Recently encountered has been "could give a damn", used in the
sense "couldn't give a damn".

An earlier transition in which "not" was dropped was the one that
gave us "but" in the sense of "only". "I will not say but one
word", where "but" meant "(anything) except", became "I will say but
one word."

Other idioms that say the opposite of what they mean include:
"head over heels" (which could mean turning cartwheels, i.e. "head
over heels over head over heels", but is also used to mean "upside-
down", i.e. "heels over head"); "Don't sneeze more than you can
help" (meaning "more than you cannot help"; "help" here means
"prevent"); "It's hard to open, much less acknowledge, the letters"
(where "less" means "harder", i.e. "more"); "I shouldn't wonder if
it didn't rain"; "I miss not seeing you"; and "I turned my life
around 360 degrees" -- not to mention undisputedly ironic phrases
such as "fat chance", "Thanks a *lot*", and "I should worry".

</quote>

FAQ aside, "could care less" is a standard phrase in America and means,
basically, "don't care at all." Those who use it know what they mean by
it, and those who hear it know what is meant. Aside from some snotty
Brits (no AUE-ers, of course) and the occasional visitor from outer
space or another newsgroup, no one has any problem with it.

If you'd like to discuss other matters of English usage, feel free to
join us in AUE (after reading the FAQ, of course) and snip all those
other groups. If we want to discuss anything covered by any of the
other groups to which you cross-post, we'll visit there, so please don't
bother including AUE.

Bob Lieblich

Mermaid

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Mar 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/24/99
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Douglas H. Wildoner <"SPAM SUCKSpopper"@epix.net> > wrote in message
<36F91DBE...@epix.net>...

>Larry Phillips wrote:
>
>> Good idea, buttmunch. Now KEEP it over there.
>
>
> Larry, that kind of insulting statement is what would continue to fuel an
>insult filled dialog for the next 3 or 4 months. I have seen it happen
many
>times. If you would point out where I insulted you, I would understand
your
>response. However, I believe I was empathetic in my response... and, I had
also
>ensured I removed the extraneous headers to preclude further
cross-postings.

Inded, you are quite correct. I quite innocently made a comment about a
turn of phrase used hereabouts, and was abused mightily by this Robert
Double-Barreled fellow.


Rasmus Neikes

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Mar 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/24/99
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Robert Lieblich wrote:
>
> Ferg wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > So, AUE does not exist to promote correct and meaningful use of language,
> > but to excuse the mistakes made by the ignorant and ill-educated by
> > perpetuating the use of misleading and non-sensical regional idiomatic
> > perversions?
> >
> > The 'academie francaise' used to have the right idea, pity we can't do the
> > same........
>
> Hey, if that's the way you feel, that's the way you feel. Too bad that
> almost all of AUE disagrees. We are obviously unworthy of you. So why
> don't you just abandon us poor inferior slobs to our little idiocies and
> go back to zapping queers or whatever else you apply your superior
> intelligence to?
>
> Bob Lieblich

That's "gays" or "homosexuals", not "queers". I will assume that - since
you are talking to zwerg - it makes soem sort of sense to adopt his
language. Other than that your comment would be considered to be rather
offensive.

Rasmus.

f'ups.

Ferg

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Mar 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/25/99
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Ferg

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Mar 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/25/99
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Robert Lieblich wrote in message <36F998...@erols.com>...
>AUE has a FAQ. Among the places where you can find it is:
>
> http://www.cs.ruu.nl/wais/html/na-dir/alt-usage-english-faq.html
>
>Here's what it says about "could care less":
>
><quote>
[...it developed in america as a result of comprehensive ignorance]

></quote>
>
>FAQ aside, "could care less" is a standard phrase in America and means,
>basically, "don't care at all." Those who use it know what they mean by
>it, and those who hear it know what is meant. Aside from some snotty
>Brits (no AUE-ers, of course) and the occasional visitor from outer
>space or another newsgroup, no one has any problem with it.

So, AUE does not exist to promote correct and meaningful use of language,

Ferg

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Mar 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/25/99
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Robert Lieblich wrote in message <36F7FE...@erols.com>...

>
>Ferg, you jerg -- there's nothing wrong with "I could care less." It's
>a standard American idiom in a sarcastic vein. Don't let the door hit
>you in the ass as you leave.

Sorry, I thought this was 'english usage'.

I didn't realise it was really alt.promote.daft.american.butchery.of.english
in disguise.

I guess you guys will be happy once we've reduced the "english" vocabulary
to no more than 2,000 nice and simple monosyllabic words, eh?

Larry Phillips

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Mar 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/25/99
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Douglas H. Wildoner wrote:
>
> Larry Phillips wrote:
>
> > Douglas H. Wildoner wrote:
> > >
> > > Robert Bryan Lipton wrote:
> > >
> > > > dotcom wrote in message <36F7A0A8...@navix.net>...
> > > > egotistical ravings
> > > >
> > > > We in alt.usage.english are totally uninterested in your self-involved
> > > > crusade to use fistfuls of turds to choke someone else. Get it off
> > > > alt.usage.english.
> > >
> > > I can understand your outrage at this leaking over into your baliwick, but
> > > must ask why you didn't trim the headers back to that place where this
> > > document originated from?
> >
> > Good idea, buttmunch. Now KEEP it over there.
>
> Larry, that kind of insulting statement is what would continue to
> fuel an insult filled dialog for the next 3 or 4 months.

I don't care.

> I have seen it happen many times. If you would point out where I
> insulted you, I would understand your response. However, I believe I
> was empathetic in my response... and, I had also ensured I removed
> the extraneous headers to preclude further cross-postings.

Not all of them.

I thought _I_ had, but I missed one. Did the same thing happen to you,
or are you of the opinion that aue was still an appropriate place for
your crossposts?


--
---------------------------------------------------------------
I like deadlines. I especially like the whooshing sound of them
as they go flying by.

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Rasmus Neikes

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Mar 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/25/99
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You are talknig _to_ people in another NewsGroup. Anything you post here
might get a reply to you. If we don't crosspost that to your group you
won't get to see it. If we didn't want you to see it we wouldn't write
in the first place. Now, if you want us to stop writing to you why don't
you just stop replying?

Rasmus.

Jeff North

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On Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:10:12 -0500, in alt.politics.homosexuality "Robert
Bryan Lipton" <bobl...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>|
>| Ferg wrote in message <7d6ijj$v4b$1...@bomb.dynamite.com.au>...
>| A BUNCH OF CRAP
>|
>|
>| So, tell me, why do you people think that we in such groups as
>| alt.usage.english are interested in your ignorant, paranoid ravings? What
>| makes you think that anyone, anyplace cares what you think about anything?
>|
>| I've been wondering abut this recently as lunatics like ferg -- note,
>| people, that losers of this variety reside in Australia, as well as the
>| United States -- why, as I was saying, lunatics like ferg post their
>| incoherent drivelling in our group.
>|

>| Bob

ferg, brian pickrell et al are just little school kids who play with the
computer that mummy and daddy bought them. If mummy and daddy knew what
they were up to....

You haven't met plastic yet - he's a poor old demented fool who likes to
think that he's somebody (he hasn't yet figured out who).

all the above loonies post from antu (alt.nuke.the.usa) IOW trolls. If
you can set you filters to kill of any messages from antu; I promise you;
you're life will be sooooo much better.

Just have a look at the ngs that this is posted to
alt.atheism
alt.bible
alt.conspiracy
alt.fan.jesus-christ
alt.homosexuality
alt.nuke.the.USA
alt.politics.homosexuality
alt.usage.english
misc.education.language.english

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Jeff North

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On Tue, 23 Mar 1999 05:48:44 -0500, in alt.politics.homosexuality "Robert
Bryan Lipton" <bobl...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>| Robert Lieblich wrote in message <36F7FE...@erols.com>...
>| >Robert Bryan Lipton wrote:
>| >>
>| >> Ferg wrote in message <7d6ijj$v4b$1...@bomb.dynamite.com.au>...
>| >> A BUNCH OF CRAP
>| >>
>| >> So, tell me, why do you people think that we in such groups as
>| >> alt.usage.english are interested in your ignorant, paranoid ravings?
>| What
>| >> makes you think that anyone, anyplace cares what you think about
>| anything?
>| >>
>| >> I've been wondering abut this recently as lunatics like ferg -- note,
>| >> people, that losers of this variety reside in Australia, as well as the
>| >> United States -- why, as I was saying, lunatics like ferg post their
>| >> incoherent drivelling in our group.
>| >
>| >Sadly, Bob, he posted to AUE a matter of English usage. It was that old
>| >chestnut about how stupid Americans must be to say "I could care less"
>| >when everyone knows it should be "couldn't." No doubt he expected a
>| >chorus of disapproval from the prescriptivists that he imagines lurk
>| >among us. If he gave even a tiny percentage of a rat's ass, he could
>| >have gone to DejaNews and found the dozens of prior threads on the
>| >subject instead of posting his little rant and making a fool of himself
>| >for a half dozen newsgroups to see. (If they're going to drool all over
>| >us, we can toss some usage bombs at them, no?)
>| >
>| >Ferg, you jerg -- there's nothing wrong with "I could care less." It's
>| >a standard American idiom in a sarcastic vein. Don't let the door hit
>| >you in the ass as you leave.
>|
>| Indeed. Not a word about sheep or food in the bunch. You'll be pleased
>| to know, Bob, that as my mitzvah, I am posting a flame to this thread every
>| time it shows up on alt.usage.english until they go away.

ROTFLMAO.

Little bobby trying to out flame a flame group (antu) - suuurrre
sweetheart - dream on.

>| Maybe, given some
>| really heavy thought on their parts ... by their standards anyway... it
>| will occur to them that this problem could be solved by either abandoning
>| the thread or fixing the the newgroup field. But then, that would require
>| *some* level of thought on the part of one of them.

yeah - little bobby is going to educate those trolls real good ya hear.



>| It is apparent to me that none of them have any more concern for their
>| fellow humans (1) than a rabid dog or Rushton. However, I have observed
>| that even a dog can understand a tone of voice. Let's see if any of them
>| have the intelligence of a Pekingese.

They're showing more intelligence that you.



>| (1) A dangerous assumption, since they hang out on newsgroups where
>| subhuman geeks lurk waiting for a chance to have someone flick a Bic by
>| their spurting anuses.

Followups set
(see how easy it is sweetums)

Jeff North

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On Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:19:14 -0500, in alt.politics.homosexuality "Robert
Bryan Lipton" <bobl...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>|
>| Mermaid wrote in message <7d9du2$pp3$1...@dosa.alt.net>...
>| >>A bunch of crap ? That is surely another very weak Americanism.
>| >
>| >I suspect somebody has snipped the original.
>|
>| I'll tell you what, Mermaid, you festering pile of garbage. Why don't yopu
>| go swimming in a septic tank and keep away from aue?
>|
>| Bob
>| >

thus spake the new queen of usenet.

Followups set

Jessica M. Wolfman

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On Thu, 25 Mar 1999 14:58:56 +1100, "Ferg" <fergu...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>Robert Lieblich wrote in message <36F7FE...@erols.com>...
>>

>>Ferg, you jerg -- there's nothing wrong with "I could care less." It's
>>a standard American idiom in a sarcastic vein. Don't let the door hit
>>you in the ass as you leave.
>

>Sorry, I thought this was 'english usage'.
>
>I didn't realise it was really alt.promote.daft.american.butchery.of.english
>in disguise.
>
>I guess you guys will be happy once we've reduced the "english" vocabulary
>to no more than 2,000 nice and simple monosyllabic words, eh?

That *is* English usage ("English" is capitalized, by the way). There's nothing
being butchered here, because it's a figure of speech, *not* a formal essay.

Jessica Wolfman
sa #1002 <- finally decided to stick it in the .sig

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Robert Lieblich

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Ferg wrote:

<snip>

> So, AUE does not exist to promote correct and meaningful use of language,
> but to excuse the mistakes made by the ignorant and ill-educated by
> perpetuating the use of misleading and non-sensical regional idiomatic
> perversions?
>
> The 'academie francaise' used to have the right idea, pity we can't do the
> same........

Hey, if that's the way you feel, that's the way you feel. Too bad that

P&D Schultz

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Mar 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/25/99
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Ferg wrote:
> <...>

> Please explain why so many people say "could care less" when they mean
> "couldn't care less"?
>
> Lowering of education standards in america, perhaps?

Whatever the reason, I hope it does not make you squirm to realize
that your grandchildren will be using that and most other American
locutions because of the pervasiveness and seductiveness of its
mass media, and there is nothing you can do about it.
//P. Schultz

Mermaid

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Jeff North wrote in message <36fddb0f...@news.bigpond.com>...

>On Tue, 23 Mar 1999 05:48:44 -0500, in alt.politics.homosexuality "Robert
>Bryan Lipton" <bobl...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>| Robert Lieblich wrote in message <36F7FE...@erols.com>...
>>| >Robert Bryan Lipton wrote:
>>| >>
>>| >> Ferg wrote in message <7d6ijj$v4b$1...@bomb.dynamite.com.au>...
>>| >> A BUNCH OF CRAP
>>| >>
>
>ROTFLMAO.
>
>Little bobby trying to out flame a flame group (antu) - suuurrre
>sweetheart - dream on.

>They're showing more intelligence that you.


>
>>| (1) A dangerous assumption, since they hang out on newsgroups where
>>| subhuman geeks lurk waiting for a chance to have someone flick a Bic by
>>| their spurting anuses.
>
>Followups set
>(see how easy it is sweetums)

Jeff, you show definite promise...


P&D Schultz

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Ferg wrote:
> So, AUE does not exist to promote correct and meaningful use of language, <...>

HA HA! You must be new here!
No, it has never been that since I've been checking. It seems to be
for exchanging views about usage (also food and some specific animals).
I think you'd be better served by some sort of etiquette newsgroup.
Pinky up! Elbows off the table!
//P. Schultz

Rumpelstiltskin

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Mar 26, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/26/99
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On Tue, 23 Mar 1999 10:07:46 +1100, "Ferg" <fergu...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>Rumpelstiltskin wrote in message <36f3e476...@news.supernews.com>...
>
>> Personally I could care less what that vile book says about


>
>Why do americans have such trouble with the english language?
>
>What is so difficult about the concept of "couldn't care less.."?
>
>Stick to the monosyllables in future, like the rest of your countrymen.
>
>

Wow, cool! Who wudda guessed my little post would
stir up such a tempest! I'm enchanted. Thanx to all,
especially to Ferg for getting the ball rolling.

Oh, by the way, I'm English.

Please remove the capital X's from my e-mail address.
They are meant to thwart unsolicited commercial mail.

Ferg

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Rumpelstiltskin wrote in message <36fae721...@news.supernews.com>...

>On Tue, 23 Mar 1999 10:07:46 +1100, "Ferg" <fergu...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>Rumpelstiltskin wrote in message <36f3e476...@news.supernews.com>...
>>
>>> Personally I could care less what that vile book says about
>>
>>Why do americans have such trouble with the english language?
>>
>>What is so difficult about the concept of "couldn't care less.."?
>>
>>Stick to the monosyllables in future, like the rest of your countrymen.
>>
>>
>
> Wow, cool! Who wudda guessed my little post would
>stir up such a tempest! I'm enchanted. Thanx to all,
>especially to Ferg for getting the ball rolling.
>
> Oh, by the way, I'm English.

You're now an honorary american, seeing as you speak the same gibberish they
do.

Commiserations.

Dave Fried

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Apr 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM4/2/99
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plastic man <dont...@this.address.net> wrote in message
news:3708576f...@NEWS.alexia.net.au...
> jefn...@bigpondau.com (Jeff North) wrote:

>
> >On Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:10:12 -0500, in alt.politics.homosexuality "Robert
> >Bryan Lipton" <bobl...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >>|
> >>| Ferg wrote in message <7d6ijj$v4b$1...@bomb.dynamite.com.au>...
> >>| A BUNCH OF CRAP
> >>|
> >>|
> >>| So, tell me, why do you people think that we in such groups as
> >>| alt.usage.english are interested in your ignorant, paranoid ravings?
What
> >>| makes you think that anyone, anyplace cares what you think about
anything?
> >>|
> >>| I've been wondering abut this recently as lunatics like ferg -- note,
> >>| people, that losers of this variety reside in Australia, as well as
the
> >>| United States -- why, as I was saying, lunatics like ferg post their
> >>| incoherent drivelling in our group.
> >>|
> >>| Bob
> >
> >ferg, brian pickrell et al are just little school kids who play with the
> >computer that mummy and daddy bought them. If mummy and daddy knew what
> >they were up to....
> >
> >You haven't met plastic yet - he's a poor old demented fool who likes to
> >think that he's somebody (he hasn't yet figured out who).
> >
> Hello, I am here and watching you Jeff. Be good now.
> BTW I am not demented and I know who I am.
> I am a hetro man and a FAGOPHOBE.

I think you misspelled PEDOPHILE.

Dave Fried
BAAWA Squire

P&D Schultz

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Apr 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM4/5/99
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plastic man wrote:

> "Dave Fried" <fr...@uiuc.edu> wrote:
> <...>


> >> Hello, I am here and watching you Jeff. Be good now.
> >> BTW I am not demented and I know who I am.
> >> I am a hetro man and a FAGOPHOBE.
> >
> >I think you misspelled PEDOPHILE.
> >
> >Dave Fried
> >BAAWA Squire
> >

> I fail to see the connection. I am a proud FAGOPHOBE, the spelling is
> correct, I am correct. you are a defect.
> Simple really.

Since you say you are a fagophobe, and since I have my Greek dictionary handy, I
see that you are afraid of eating. That is too bad for you, but I fail to see the
connection between your aversion for food and the subject of sexual orientation.
//P. Schultz


Aaron

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Apr 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM4/5/99
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In article <370954...@postmaster.co.uk>, Phil
<_Ph...@postmaster.co.uk> wrote:

> Is a "FAGOPHOBE" the same thing as a pathetic, small minded little
> shit?? I am pretty sure it is!!

Nope. It's a pathetic, small minded little hemerroid _covered_ in shit.

> Phil
>
> Peace, Bread, Land

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Rasmus Neikes

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*ROTFLMAO*

Phil

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plastic man wrote:
>
> "Dave Fried" <fr...@uiuc.edu> wrote:
>
> >plastic man <dont...@this.address.net> wrote in message
> >news:3708576f...@NEWS.alexia.net.au...
> >> jefn...@bigpondau.com (Jeff North) wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:10:12 -0500, in alt.politics.homosexuality "Robert
> >> >Bryan Lipton" <bobl...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>|
> >> >>| Ferg wrote in message <7d6ijj$v4b$1...@bomb.dynamite.com.au>...
> >> >>| A BUNCH OF CRAP
> >> >>|
> >> >>|
> >> >>| So, tell me, why do you people think that we in such groups as
> >> >>| alt.usage.english are interested in your ignorant, paranoid ravings?
> >What
> >> >>| makes you think that anyone, anyplace cares what you think about
> >anything?
> >> >>|
> >> >>| I've been wondering abut this recently as lunatics like ferg -- note,
> >> >>| people, that losers of this variety reside in Australia, as well as
> >the
> >> >>| United States -- why, as I was saying, lunatics like ferg post their
> >> >>| incoherent drivelling in our group.
> >> >>|
> >> >>| Bob
> >> >
> >> >ferg, brian pickrell et al are just little school kids who play with the
> >> >computer that mummy and daddy bought them. If mummy and daddy knew what
> >> >they were up to....
> >> >
> >> >You haven't met plastic yet - he's a poor old demented fool who likes to
> >> >think that he's somebody (he hasn't yet figured out who).
> >> >
> >> Hello, I am here and watching you Jeff. Be good now.
> >> BTW I am not demented and I know who I am.
> >> I am a hetro man and a FAGOPHOBE.
> >
> >I think you misspelled PEDOPHILE.
> >
> >Dave Fried
> >BAAWA Squire
> >
> I fail to see the connection. I am a proud FAGOPHOBE, the spelling is
> correct, I am correct. you are a defect.
> Simple really.

Is a "FAGOPHOBE" the same thing as a pathetic, small minded little


shit?? I am pretty sure it is!!

Phil

Peace, Bread, Land

Phil

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P&D Schultz wrote:
>
> plastic man wrote:
>
> > "Dave Fried" <fr...@uiuc.edu> wrote:
> > <...>

> > >> Hello, I am here and watching you Jeff. Be good now.
> > >> BTW I am not demented and I know who I am.
> > >> I am a hetro man and a FAGOPHOBE.
> > >
> > >I think you misspelled PEDOPHILE.
> > >
> > >Dave Fried
> > >BAAWA Squire
> > >
> > I fail to see the connection. I am a proud FAGOPHOBE, the spelling is
> > correct, I am correct. you are a defect.
> > Simple really.
>
> Since you say you are a fagophobe, and since I have my Greek dictionary handy, I
> see that you are afraid of eating. That is too bad for you, but I fail to see the
> connection between your aversion for food and the subject of sexual orientation.
> //P. Schultz

Erm, wouldn't that be phagophobe?? As far as I know the meaning of
"fagophobe" is "A small minded wanker or moron" an alternative meaning
is "a purile, rather smelly, pile of horse crap. Usually with an IQ so
low they would have to dig to find it"

Phil

Peace, Bread, Land

Phil

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Aaron wrote:
>
> In article <370954...@postmaster.co.uk>, Phil
> <_Ph...@postmaster.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Is a "FAGOPHOBE" the same thing as a pathetic, small minded little
> > shit?? I am pretty sure it is!!
>
> Nope. It's a pathetic, small minded little hemerroid _covered_ in shit.

Thank you for correcting me, but you have to admit I was pretty close!!

Phil

Peace, Bread, Land

Karl Charles

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plastic man wrote in message <370851a8...@NEWS.alexia.net.au>...

<<I fail to see the connection. I am a proud FAGOPHOBE, the spelling is
correct, I am correct. you are a defect.>>

This would indicate that you are =afraid= of gay homosexual faggot-queers.
A better word would be "misocarp", where "miso" implies hatred, and "carp"
means fruit.

Bill Felton

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In article <7eenvl$brb$1...@news.inficad.com>, SteveMa...@USA.Net
says...
But "fuckwit" is easier to spell, and more fun to say.
It seems to suit him perfectly.


Bill
President, BAAWA
Head, Individual Liberties Division, EAC
some atheist number or other
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Catherine Law

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I think everyone who says they follow the Bible in their daily lives and beliefs
should be forced to follow other books written 2000 years ago in other parts of
their lives.
1. In medicine, they should be forced to follow only ancient Greek medical
guides. If anesthesia was a blow to the head, so be it.
2. In home technology, they should follow any ancient guide to candle making to
light their homes. Also, they should learn to slaughter goats for food,
bypassing supermarkets entirely. No canned foods, or foods not grown nearby.
Again, like the Bible says.
3. All schooling and education must not exceed that of 1AD. Since certain
subjects were not invented then, no Bibliophiles may learn about electriciy, the
weather, machinery, genetics, psychology, computers, or enter any building not
made of wood and stone exclusively.
4. The bible is all, so any concept not foretold in it must be ignored.
Clearly no television, radio, internet.

Can one live 2000 years ago morally, but find it difficult to live 2000 years
ago with regard to creature comforts? Hypocrites!

Or maybe the Bible is a little behind the times, in more ways than one.
Every think about that possibility, homophobes?

Rasmus Neikes

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Catherine Law wrote:
>
> I think everyone who says they follow the Bible in their daily lives and beliefs
> should be forced to follow other books written 2000 years ago in other parts of
> their lives.
> 1. In medicine, they should be forced to follow only ancient Greek medical
> guides. If anesthesia was a blow to the head, so be it.
> 2. In home technology, they should follow any ancient guide to candle making to
> light their homes. Also, they should learn to slaughter goats for food,
> bypassing supermarkets entirely. No canned foods, or foods not grown nearby.
> Again, like the Bible says.
> 3. All schooling and education must not exceed that of 1AD. Since certain
> subjects were not invented then, no Bibliophiles may learn about electriciy, the
> weather, machinery, genetics, psychology, computers, or enter any building not
> made of wood and stone exclusively.
> 4. The bible is all, so any concept not foretold in it must be ignored.
> Clearly no television, radio, internet.
>
> Can one live 2000 years ago morally, but find it difficult to live 2000 years
> ago with regard to creature comforts? Hypocrites!
>
> Or maybe the Bible is a little behind the times, in more ways than one.
> Every think about that possibility, homophobes?

Well said! Thank you!

al...@rev.net

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Catherine Law <kat...@enteract.com> wrote:

>2. In home technology, they should follow any ancient guide to candle making to
>light their homes. Also, they should learn to slaughter goats for food,
>bypassing supermarkets entirely. No canned foods, or foods not grown nearby.

You eat what you can, and what you can't can, you put up in jars.

--Buster <http://www.rev.net/~aloe/green>

al...@rev.net

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P&D Schultz <schu...@erols.com> wrote:

>plastic man wrote:

>> I fail to see the connection. I am a proud FAGOPHOBE, the spelling is
>> correct, I am correct. you are a defect.

>> Simple really.

>Since you say you are a fagophobe, and since I have my Greek dictionary handy, I
>see that you are afraid of eating. That is too bad for you, but I fail to see the
>connection between your aversion for food and the subject of sexual orientation.

Are people who fear and love God simultaneously deophobes and deophiles?

--Buster <http://www.rev.net/~aloe/ajivika>

Eugene Yevgeni

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P&D Schultz <schu...@erols.com> wrote:


<<Since you say you are a fagophobe, and since I have my Greek dictionary
handy, I see that you are afraid of eating.>>

You're thinking of a phagophobe; he's thinking of a misocarp.
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