Why are Gay people trying so hard to gain
wake...@webtv.net
Why the hell are Gay and Lesbian people trying so hard
to gain acceptance in this heterosexual society. As a Gay
man, I really don't give a shit about who accepts me or
not. If someone dosen't like me because of whom I am
attractive to, who I date, or anything else, I tell them to
stay the fuck away from me. "Don't talk to me, don't call
me", etc... I don't need to be around people who treat me
like garbage.
I havn't spoken to my family in over 10 years, and it
has been the best damn ten years in my life. During the
holidays, I recieved a call from a relative, the minute he
asked me how I was doing, I told him "good night" and I
hung up the phone. He's got some damn nerve calling me
after all these years, after all of his name-calling and
insults towards me, now he suddenly decides to be nice to
me, he can go to hell!!!
I also didn't meet my real friends until later in
life, and it was well worth the wait. My "real friends" are
not those jerks who I went to school with who abandoned me
when I "came out" to them. My real friends are the people I
know now as an adult.
I don't need to parade around in the street with pride
banners and begging politicians to accept me and begging
television shows to have more sitcom characters like me and
begging churches, the millitary, and the news media to
accept me. This society will NEVER accept Gay or Lesbian
people (at least not in our life time). We keep asking for
acceptance, tolerance, & respect, and we NEVER get it.
People still call us FAGGOTS, PERVERTS, SODOMITES, EVIL,
DISGUSTING, and SICK. And I DO NOT want to deal with people
or socialize with people who think of me that way AT ALL. I
DO NOT want to waste my time trying to change their minds.
I have other things to do and other "real friends" that I
spend my time with.
I DON'T NEED ANYBODYS ACCEPTANCE, except MINE
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Conrad Sabatier
In article <8542669...@dejanews.com>,
wake...@webtv.net writes:
>
> Why the hell are Gay and Lesbian people trying so hard
> to gain acceptance in this heterosexual society. As a Gay
> man, I really don't give a shit about who accepts me or
> not.
Really? Not *anyone*?
> If someone dosen't like me because of whom I am
> attractive to, who I date, or anything else, I tell them to
> stay the fuck away from me. "Don't talk to me, don't call
> me", etc... I don't need to be around people who treat me
> like garbage.
Perhaps they dislike you more for the fact that you're rude than for being
gay.
> I havn't spoken to my family in over 10 years, and it
> has been the best damn ten years in my life.
No qualms, eh, bud?
> During the
> holidays, I recieved a call from a relative, the minute he
> asked me how I was doing, I told him "good night" and I
> hung up the phone. He's got some damn nerve calling me
> after all these years, after all of his name-calling and
> insults towards me, now he suddenly decides to be nice to
> me, he can go to hell!!!
Yeah, imagine that. The nerve of him, expecting you to forgive him for
being a jerk ten years ago. Boy, I tell ya. Some people, huh?
> I also didn't meet my real friends until later in
> life, and it was well worth the wait. My "real friends" are
> not those jerks who I went to school with who abandoned me
> when I "came out" to them. My real friends are the people I
> know now as an adult.
Of course, you don't care if *they* accept you either, right? Hell no!
You're your own man now!
> I don't need to parade around in the street with pride
> banners and begging politicians to accept me and begging
> television shows to have more sitcom characters like me and
> begging churches, the millitary, and the news media to
> accept me.
No, you don't. Not as long as others are doing it for you.
> This society will NEVER accept Gay or Lesbian
> people (at least not in our life time).
And since *you* are all you really care about anyway, fuck those future
generations, right? Why should they have it any easier?
> We keep asking for
> acceptance, tolerance, & respect, and we NEVER get it.
Never? Really? How sad for you.
> People still call us FAGGOTS, PERVERTS, SODOMITES, EVIL,
> DISGUSTING, and SICK. And I DO NOT want to deal with people
> or socialize with people who think of me that way AT ALL.
Guess you'd better hitch a ride somewhere on the next space shuttle
then, or dig a hole in the ground and bury yourself. You may find it just
a mite difficult avoiding these types otherwise.
> I
> DO NOT want to waste my time trying to change their minds.
> I have other things to do and other "real friends" that I
> spend my time with.
>
> I DON'T NEED ANYBODYS ACCEPTANCE, except MINE
I hate to sound cliched but...methinks thou doth protest *too* much.
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wake...@webtv.net
In article <8542669...@dejanews.com>,
Earlier this week, I wrote
>
> Why the hell are Gay and Lesbian people trying so
> hard to gain acceptance in this heterosexual society. As
>a Gay man, I really don't give a shit about who accepts me
>to stay the fuck away from me. "Don't talk to me, don't
>call me", etc... I don't need to be around people who
>treat me like garbage.
>asked me how I was doing, I told him "good night" and I
>hung up the phone. He's got some damn nerve calling me
>after all these years, after all of his name-calling and
>insults towards me, now he suddenly decides to be nice to
>me, he can go to hell!!!
>life, and it was well worth the wait. My "real friends"
>are not those jerks who I went to school with who
>abandoned me when I "came out" to them. My real friends
>are the people I know now as an adult.
>pride banners and begging politicians to accept me and
>begging television shows to have more sitcom characters
>like me and begging churches, the millitary, and the news
>Lesbian people (at least not in our life time). We keep
>get it.
>DISGUSTING, and SICK. And I DO NOT want to deal with
>people or socialize with people who think of me that way
>I have other things to do and other "real friends" that I
>spend my time with.
> I DON'T NEED ANYBODYS ACCEPTANCE, except MINE
>
respondents told me I had a nasty attitude. Maybe it had
something to do with my parents dragging me to
psychotherapy, and putting me in a mental ward when I was
13 trying to "change me". Or maybe my attitude developed at
that time when I was dragged into the woods, punched,
kicked, and pissed on. Maybe my nasty attitude also came
from the many years of depression, loneliness, and
alcoholism. I wish I had met some people who accepted me
back then instead of waiting till I was an adult to find
some acceptance.
My point is that we should be helping each other out
instead of trying to kiss these conservatives asses. They
have made up their minds, and they're not going to change.
They believe we are sinners, perverts, evil, immoral,
sodomites, and many are not afraid to call us faggots. Plus
anybody who "bashes" us or kills us gets a light jail
sentence. The only real acceptance we have from
heterosexuals is from a bunch of disco divas because we are
the only ones who buy their records (thats why Donna Summer
apologized for what she said about AIDS being a punishment
from God) all the parading and begging and pleading and
crying that we have done, this country is becoming more and
more conservative.
If we are accepted, then:
Q: Why are gays and lesbians afraid to hold hands in
public(except in Greenwich village)
A: Because they're afraid of getting attacked or SHOT!
Q: Why has our president waffled on "Gay in the millitary"
and signed an "Anti-gay Marriage bill"?
A Because he's afraid that the majority of this
country (which hates gay people) would vote him out.
Q: How many TV Sitcoms star a monogomous Gay couple?
A: NONE! (They show up once in a while and have a different
"lover" each time.)
I am the kind of person that just dosn't give a damn
anymore. I can't get my childhood back, It is too late for
me to enjoy puppy love, the seinor prom, and college
fraternities. I had to go bowling, rollerskating, eat at
resturants and go to the movies alone. So I will NEVER
speak to my "family" again to teach them a damn good lesson
that will affect them for the rest of their lives. If you
call it revenge, then that's exactly what they deserve.
I don't want to waste my time trying to gain
acceptance. I give thanks to our forefathers for making our
"acts' legal. But your NEVER going to change the minds of
people. We should be taking our money and creating our own
businesses and hiring each other and creating our own
Co-ops and our own media and radio stations. But because we
segregate ourselves by race, culture, and economical
status, we have trouble accomplishing that.
SIMON
What I don't understand is why gays would want to emulate a marriage
situation that obviously doesn't work for straights. Don't bother
replying if you are not currently in a relationship that has been in
force at least seven years. That will seriously cull the responses!
mailbag.com
I hate to say it but this man needs a little help. While I understand that
he is bitter about his not being acepted by his family he needs to take a
chill and realize that while the world around him may not be the best,
who's is? Now it may just because I live in one of the most liberal cities
in the world, (Madison, WI) or that my family doesnt hate me. All I can
say is that if this man goes to his grave not "needing" is birth family
then he has died a poor man. My sugestion would be to call your family up
and say hi. While they may have caused you some hurt in the past it is
just that, the past. One of the most important aspects of humanity is the
ability to grow in understanding and acceptance. Dont judge your family
untill you have walked a mile in there shoes. Dont you think that your
Mom, Dad, Brothers, Sisters, Etc. miss you. No matter what they sayed in
the past. Remember, they wernt expecting a Gay son. I think that your
family member calling was probably some one reaching out to make a family
again. Or who knows maby that person wanted to tell you that they were
Gay. You may have caused a great amount of damage to this person. Is that
fair to them? Beleve me I am not judging you ,I dont know you, all I can
say is that for humans to evolve we all need to look at ourselfs in the
context of others. My quote is "Challange the preceptian that you beleve
is reality". Meaning that my reality is much diferant then yours. Have a
nice day and reach out and get back in tough with your family
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LoneWolf
SIMON <any...@anywhere.bye> wrote in article
<32EFD2...@anywhere.bye>...
Well. after 9 years.....I could file for Divorce. get Alimony,...Have a tax
break or maybe even get married for, LOVE?
john
SIMON wrote:
>
> What I don't understand is why gays would want to emulate a marriage
> situation that obviously doesn't work for straights.
I have been with my gay lover for 7.5 years so I guess I qualify. I
could care less what they call it. Marrage, co-habitation, whatever,
what I would like is to have my lover on my health insurance, file
jointly for tax purposes. And when I die, I'D like to make sure he can
have a place to live. Thats It!
S115 PC User
I can't understand why anyone gave this person a hard time over this
thread and post. Obviously our experiences are going to be different.
So answers on a post card please to this question.
Do we have acceptance world over, or does 99% of the Lesbian & Gay
community still live in fantasy land?
Conrad Sabatier
In article <32F660...@staffs.ac.uk>,
S115 PC User <pcu...@staffs.ac.uk> writes:
> I can't understand why anyone gave this person a hard time over this
> thread and post. Obviously our experiences are going to be different.
Yes, of course, but...
The reason the original poster was subjected to the amount of criticism he
received was primarily his attitude. If you don't understand what I mean,
I suggest you go back and re-read the original article. It is fairly
dripping with anger, hostility and resentment towards straight people, all
the while loudly proclaiming that he really doesn't care what anyone
thinks anyway.
> So answers on a post card please to this question.
>
> Do we have acceptance world over, or does 99% of the Lesbian & Gay
> community still live in fantasy land?
The question, as stated in its current form, is unworthy of a response.
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wake...@webtv.net
In article <AF18103...@205.173.178.82>,
@mailbag.com wrote:
>
> I hate to say it but this man needs a little help.
I dont need SHIT!!!!
While I understand that
> he is bitter about his not being acepted
by his family he needs to take a
> chill and realize that while the world
around him may not be the best,
> who's is? Now it may just because I live
in one of the most liberal cities
> in the world, (Madison, WI) or that my
family doesnt hate me.
Well, your Damn lucky.
All I can
> say is that if this man goes to his grave
not "needing" is birth family
> then he has died a poor man. My
sugestion would be to call your family up
> and say hi.
Say Hi, then goodbye.
While they may have caused
you some hurt in the past it is
> just that, the past. One of the most
important aspects of humanity is the
> ability to grow in understanding and
acceptance. Dont judge your family
> untill you have walked a mile in there
shoes.
Why didn't they walk a mile in mine????
Dont you think that your
> Mom, Dad, Brothers, Sisters, Etc. miss
you. No matter what they sayed in
> the past.
No, I don't think that they miss me at all!
Remember, they wernt expecting
a Gay son.
You don't have to treat your gay son like SHIT!!!!!
I think that your
> family member calling was probably some
one reaching out to make a family
> again.
BULLSHIT!!!!!!!
Or who knows maby that person
wanted to tell you that they were
> Gay.
How the fuck do you know?????
You may have caused a great amount
of damage to this person.
Yeah, my slamming the phone in their face causes more
damage than being called Faggot, Homo, sick, not being
icluded and being ignored during "family" converstions,
being tortured in school, being dragged in the woods and
getting the crap kicked out of me and geting pissed on!
Is that
> fair to them?
That's the way I do it!
Beleve me I am not judging
you ,I dont know you, all I can
> say is that for humans to evolve we all
need to look at ourselfs in the
> context of others. My quote is
"Challange the preceptian that you beleve
> is reality". Meaning that my reality is
much diferant then yours.
DAMN RIGHT!
Have a
> nice day and reach out and get back in
tough with your family
I'll get intouch with my family when I'm damn good and
ready.
>
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wake...@webtv.net
I still don't give a shit about my family that treated me
like shit just because I was Gay and I will NEVER NEVER
speak to them again. And I will also stop sending Christmas
cards since I never recieve any cards from them.
Conrad Sabatier
In article <8559769...@dejanews.com>,
wake...@webtv.net writes:
> I still don't give a shit about my family that treated me
> like shit just because I was Gay and I will NEVER NEVER
> speak to them again. And I will also stop sending Christmas
> cards since I never recieve any cards from them.
Well, if it makes you happy.
Besides, you don't care what anyone thinks anyway, right?
Ralph&Paul
wake...@webtv.net,UseNetNews writes:
>I still don't give a shit about my family that treated me
>like shit just because I was Gay and I will NEVER NEVER
>speak to them again. And I will also stop sending Christmas
>cards since I never recieve any cards from them.
It took my dad 10years to come around to feeling that my "lifestyle"
was acceptable. Now he treats both myself and my lover exactly as he
treats my sisters and their husbands, as family. Don't write them off
cause your hurting, their hurting too. It's a pretty heavy thing for a
parent to deal with, but if you continue to show them that your happy,
and haven't changed, they'll come around. Just don't expect it
overnight.
Good luck, and don't forget, being gay makes us your second family (and
we're better dancers)
Ezekiel Krahlin
On Mon, 17 Feb 1997 01:58:43 GMT, Ralph&Pa...@nycnet.com (Ralph&Paul)
imparted this delicious tidbit of wisdom:
>wake...@webtv.net,UseNetNews writes:
>>I still don't give a shit about my family that treated me
>>like shit just because I was Gay and I will NEVER NEVER
>>speak to them again. And I will also stop sending Christmas
>>cards since I never recieve any cards from them.
>
>It took my dad 10years to come around to feeling that my "lifestyle"
>was acceptable. Now he treats both myself and my lover exactly as he
>treats my sisters and their husbands, as family. Don't write them off
>cause your hurting, their hurting too. It's a pretty heavy thing for a
>parent to deal with, but if you continue to show them that your happy,
>and haven't changed, they'll come around. Just don't expect it
>overnight.
Well, maybe your suggestions will work for some. But I don't feel
anyone has any obligation to place years of burden on his own
shoulders, in hopes to be "accepted" by ignoramuses. Parents are no
more deserving of their children's love, than are anyone else who acts
abusively. Family is a sacred cow in this society, which one should
not hesitate to topple over and leave behind, should it condemn you
for who you are.
The only reason it's a "pretty heavy thing" to many parents, is
because they refuse to pick up one single book about homosexuality.
They choose to remain ignorant--that's their loss, if they lose the
respect and companionship of their sons and daughters. Families can
be terribly crippling to gays, with no hope of any real redemption.
Many stick with it, not for any real hopes of reconciliation...but
because of the nice "bonuses" nevertheless, such as: parents paying
for college tutiton payments, house or business investments, and
finally, juicy inheritances.
But that is becoming a "mama's boy" and selling out to status quo,
leaving behind the real issues of civil rights. Each to his or her
own, I say...but I do think there are valid approaches other than the
patient, long-suffering role you espouse.
To reach me, remove "_Z" from my e-mail address.
Ralph&Paul
ekra...@fog.net_Z,UseNetNews writes:
Ralph&Paul wrote
>>It took my dad 10years to come around to feeling that my "lifestyle"
>>was acceptable. Now he treats both myself and my lover exactly as he
>>treats my sisters and their husbands, as family. Don't write them off
>>cause your hurting, their hurting too. It's a pretty heavy thing for a
>>parent to deal with, but if you continue to show them that your happy,
>>and haven't changed, they'll come around. Just don't expect it
>>overnight.
>Well, maybe your suggestions will work for some. But I don't feel
>anyone has any obligation to place years of burden on his own
>shoulders, in hopes to be "accepted" by ignoramuses.
>
>Tell me guy, where is there a burden in letting someone know that
you're happy >and well adjusted?
Parents are no
>more deserving of their children's love, than are anyone else who acts
>abusively. Family is a sacred cow in this society, which one should
>not hesitate to topple over and leave behind, should it condemn you
>for who you are.
>or you could try to give the love and understanding that you desire,
in hopes of >reaping the extraordinary benefits of a family
>The only reason it's a "pretty heavy thing" to many parents, is
>because they refuse to pick up one single book about homosexuality.
>They choose to remain ignorant--that's their loss, if they lose the
>respect and companionship of their sons and daughters. Families can
>be terribly crippling to gays, with no hope of any real redemption.
>And rather than try to deal with it, you think it's better to walk away
>Many stick with it, not for any real hopes of reconciliation...but
>because of the nice "bonuses" nevertheless, such as: parents paying
>for college tutiton payments, house or business investments, and
>finally, juicy inheritances.
>not to mention love and support that can only be surpassed by a life
partner.
>When i developed AIDS and had to be hospitalized, my friends came and
visited >me every day to keep my spirits up, but my parents came from
another state, >and stayed with me. they took care of everything that
needed to be done for >me, and they did it gladly. I wouldn't feel
comfortable asking even my closest >friends to care for me for over
three months.
>But that is becoming a "mama's boy" and selling out to status quo,
>leaving behind the real issues of civil rights. Each to his or her
>own, I say...but I do think there are valid approaches other than the
>patient, long-suffering role you espouse.
>Why don't you expound on your approaches, rather than just reading me?
And >if behaving like an adult, and working for something that i wanted
makes me a >mama's boy than that's fine.
>There is another advantage to gaining the acceptance of your family.
By >teaching them, you reduce homophobia, and make all our lives
better. or do you >believe that that's a job better left to strangers?
>i think that the time and patience i put out were absolutely worth it,
and i wouldn't >trade my family for anything. Frankly, i think that
not fighting for their love and >acceptance is one of the most stupid
and cowardly things that we can do.