OT: Getting out of a car underwater

[Commander Kinsey]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-66847675

Are Americans really incapable of smashing the glass of their own car to escape? It's hardly rocket science.

[Xeno]

If you have one of these;

https://www.amazon.com.au/Car-Safety-Hammer-Emergecy-Aluminium/dp/B08DMRDKPS/ref=asc_df_B08DMRDKPS/

then it's a non-issue. If you don't, you might find that the glass will
resist every effort to smash it.

You've obviously never tried to smash a window in a late model car.

--
Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

[Peeler]

On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 12:08:04 +0100, Birdbrain Macaw (aka "Commander Kinsey",
"James Wilkinson", "Steven Wanker","Bruce Farquar", "Fred Johnson, etc.),
the pathological resident idiot and attention whore of all the uk ngs,
blathered again:

<FLUSH the subnormal sociopathic trolling attention whore's latest
attention-baiting sick bullshit unread again>

--
damdu...@yahoo.co.uk about Birdbrain Macaw's (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL)
trolling:
"He is a well known attention seeking troll and every reply you
make feeds him.
Starts many threads most of which die quick as on the UK groups anyone
with sense Kill filed him ages ago which is why he now cross posts to
the US groups for a new audience.
This thread was unusual in that it derived and continued without him
to a large extent and his silly questioning is an attempt to get
noticed again."
MID: <be195d5jh0hktj054...@4ax.com>

--
ItsJoanNotJoann addressing Birdbrain Macaw's (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL):
"You're an annoying troll and I'm done with you and your
stupidity."
MID: <e39a6a7f-9677-4e78...@googlegroups.com>

--
AndyW addressing Birdbrain:
"Troll or idiot?...
You have been presented with a viewpoint with information, reasoning,
historical cases, citations and references to back it up and wilfully
ignore all going back to your idea which has no supporting information."
MID: <KaToA.263621$g93.2...@fx10.am4>

--
Phil Lee adressing Birdbrain Macaw:
"You are too stupid to be wasting oxygen."
MID: <uv2u4clurscpat3g2...@4ax.com>

--
Phil Lee describing Birdbrain Macaw:
"I've never seen such misplaced pride in being a fucking moronic motorist."
MID: <j7fb6ct83igfd1g99...@4ax.com>

--
Tony944 addressing Birdbrain Macaw:
"I seen and heard many people but you are on top of list being first class
ass hole jerk. ...You fit under unconditional Idiot and should be put in
mental institution.
MID: <VLCdnYC5HK1Z4S3F...@giganews.com>

--
Pelican to Birdbrain Macaw:
"Ok. I'm persuaded . You are an idiot."
MID: <obru31$nao$3...@dont-email.me>

--
DerbyDad03 addressing Birdbrain Macaw (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL):
"Frigging Idiot. Get the hell out of my thread."
MID: <4d907253-b3b9-40d4...@googlegroups.com>

--
Kerr Mudd-John about Birdbrain Macaw (now "Commander Kinsey LOL):
"It's like arguing with a demented frog."
MID: <op.yy3c0...@dell3100.workgroup>

--
Mr Pounder Esquire about Birdbrain Macaw (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL):
"the piss poor delivery boy with no hot running water, 11 cats and
several parrots living in his hovel."
MID: <odqtgc$iug$1...@dont-email.me>

--
Rob Morley about Birdbrain:
"He's a perennial idiot"
MID: <20170519215057.56a1f1d4@Mars>

--
JoeyDee to Birdbrain
"I apologize for thinking you were a jerk. You're just someone with an IQ
lower than your age, and I accept that as a reason for your comments."
MID: <0001HW.1EE2D20300...@news.eternal-september.org>

--
Sam Plusnet about Birdbrain (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL):
"He's just desperate to be noticed. Any attention will do, no matter how
negative it may be."
MID: <rOmdndd_O7u8iK7E...@brightview.co.uk>

--
thekma...@gmail.com asking Birdbrain:
"What, were you dropped on your head as a child?"
MID: <58ddfad5-d9a5-4031...@googlegroups.com>

--
Christie addressing endlessly driveling Birdbrain Macaw (now "Commander
Kinsey" LOL):
"What are you resurrecting that old post of mine for? It's from last
month some time. You're like a dog who's just dug up an old bone they
hid in the garden until they were ready to have another go at it."
MID: <59d8b0db...@news.eternal-september.org>

--
Mr Pounder's fitting description of Birdbrain Macaw:
"You are a well known fool, a tosser, a pillock, a stupid unemployable
sponging failure who will always live alone and will die alone. You will not
be missed."
MID: <orree6$on2$1...@dont-email.me>

--
Richard to pathetic wanker Hucker:
"You haven't bred?
Only useful thing you've done in your pathetic existence."
MID: <orvctf$l5m$1...@gioia.aioe.org>

--
cl...@snyder.on.ca about Birdbrain (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL):
""not the sharpest knife in the drawer"'s parents sure made a serious
mistake having him born alive -- A total waste of oxygen, food, space,
and bandwidth."
MID: <s5e9uclqpnabteheh...@4ax.com>

--
Mr Pounder exposing sociopathic Birdbrain:
"You will always be a lonely sociopath living in a shithole with no hot
running water with loads of stinking cats and a few parrots."
MID: <os5m1i$8m1$1...@dont-email.me>

--
francis about Birdbrain (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL):
"He seems to have a reputation as someone of limited intelligence"
MID: <cf06cdd9-8bb8-469c...@googlegroups.com>

--
Peter Moylan about Birdbrain (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL):
"If people like JWS didn't exist, we would have to find some other way to
explain the concept of "invincible ignorance"."
MID: <otofc8$tbg$2...@dont-email.me>

--
Lewis about nym-shifting Birdbrain:
"Typical narcissist troll, thinks his shit is so grand he has the right to
try to force it on everyone
MID: <slrnq16c27....@jaka.local>

[badgolferman]

Xeno wrote:

>On 19/9/2023 9:08 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-66847675
>>
>>Are Americans really incapable of smashing the glass of their own
>>car to escape?  It's hardly rocket science.
>
>If you have one of these;
>
>https://www.amazon.com.au/Car-Safety-Hammer-Emergecy-Aluminium/dp/B08DMRDKPS/ref=asc_df_B08DMRDKPS/
>
>then it's a non-issue. If you don't, you might find that the glass
>will resist every effort to smash it.
>
>You've obviously never tried to smash a window in a late model car.

Yet another reason why older is better...
https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/hand-crank-non-electric-manual-car-window-in-a-dove-grey-color-an-old-vehicle-gm1164622980-320174001

[Peeler]

On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 23:29:11 +1000, Xeno, another brainless, troll-feeding,
senile Australian idiot, blathered:

> If you have one of these;

What do you have other than a senile brain, you idiotic troll-feeding senile
asshole from Oz?

[alt.home.repair]

On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 9:29:20 AM UTC-4, Xeno wrote:
> On 19/9/2023 9:08 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> > https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-66847675
> >
> > Are Americans really incapable of smashing the glass of their own car to
> > escape? It's hardly rocket science.
> If you have one of these;
>
> https://www.amazon.com.au/Car-Safety-Hammer-Emergecy-Aluminium/dp/B08DMRDKPS/ref=asc_df_B08DMRDKPS/
>
> then it's a non-issue. If you don't, you might find that the glass will
> resist every effort to smash it.
>
> You've obviously never tried to smash a window in a late model car.
>
> --
> Xeno
>

Agree.

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 19 Sep 2023 13:37:39 -0000 (UTC),

"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Xeno wrote:
>
>>On 19/9/2023 9:08 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-66847675
>>>
>>>Are Americans really incapable of smashing the glass of their own
>>>car to escape?  It's hardly rocket science.

No, it's not rocket science, but it is material science.

Try it some time and get back to us.

>>If you have one of these;
>>
>>https://www.amazon.com.au/Car-Safety-Hammer-Emergecy-Aluminium/dp/B08DMRDKPS/ref=asc_df_B08DMRDKPS/
>>
>>then it's a non-issue. If you don't, you might find that the glass
>>will resist every effort to smash it.
>>
>>You've obviously never tried to smash a window in a late model car.
>
>
>Yet another reason why older is better...
>https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/hand-crank-non-electric-manual-car-window-in-a-dove-grey-color-an-old-vehicle-gm1164622980-320174001

When I'm driving, I don't mind rolling down my own window, but even when
parked it's really hard to roll down the passenger side, and the rear
windows are even much harder, so I like power windows.

Some people think driving a convertible with the top down and the
windows up is declasse, so that's another reason I like them.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

On 2023-09-19, Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> If you have one of these;

> https://www.amazon.com.au/Car-Safety-Hammer-Emergecy-Aluminium/dp/B08DMRDKPS/ref=asc_df_B08DMRDKPS/

> then it's a non-issue. If you don't, you might find that the glass will
> resist every effort to smash it.

> You've obviously never tried to smash a window in a late model car.

A spring loaded center punch has been known to do the job. Or one of
these which is basically a spring loaded center punch.

<https://www.amazon.com/Window-Emergency-Breaker-Crushing-Adjustable/dp/B005JGL4XM>

I'd buy one if I lived near water. I'm surprised that every law
enforcement officer doesn't carry one. I see cops beating out car
windows with flashlight butts or looking for rocks on crime TV.
Maybe, they don't work?

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 14:29:11 +0100, Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> On 19/9/2023 9:08 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-66847675
>>
>> Are Americans really incapable of smashing the glass of their own car to
>> escape? It's hardly rocket science.
>
> If you have one of these;
>
> https://www.amazon.com.au/Car-Safety-Hammer-Emergecy-Aluminium/dp/B08DMRDKPS/ref=asc_df_B08DMRDKPS/
>
> then it's a non-issue. If you don't, you might find that the glass will
> resist every effort to smash it.
>
> You've obviously never tried to smash a window in a late model car.

You can remove the windscreen by pushing it with both feet. Or hit the window with any hard object.

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 15:27:15 +0100, micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:

> In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 19 Sep 2023 13:37:39 -0000 (UTC),
> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Xeno wrote:
>>
>>> On 19/9/2023 9:08 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-66847675
>>>>
>>>> Are Americans really incapable of smashing the glass of their own
>>>> car to escape? It's hardly rocket science.
>
> No, it's not rocket science, but it is material science.
>
> Try it some time and get back to us.

I've broken into my car a couple of times by breaking the glass.

>>> If you have one of these;
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com.au/Car-Safety-Hammer-Emergecy-Aluminium/dp/B08DMRDKPS/ref=asc_df_B08DMRDKPS/
>>>
>>> then it's a non-issue. If you don't, you might find that the glass
>>> will resist every effort to smash it.
>>>
>>> You've obviously never tried to smash a window in a late model car.
>>
>>
>> Yet another reason why older is better...
>> https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/hand-crank-non-electric-manual-car-window-in-a-dove-grey-color-an-old-vehicle-gm1164622980-320174001
>
> When I'm driving, I don't mind rolling down my own window, but even when
> parked it's really hard to roll down the passenger side, and the rear
> windows are even much harder, so I like power windows.
>
> Some people think driving a convertible with the top down and the
> windows up is declasse, so that's another reason I like them.

Strange opinion, any convertible is cool. Why would winding the windows up be wrong?

[Xeno]

Not talking about the windscreen

> Or hit the window with any hard object.

Not so easy on modern cars. Your experience seems to be with ancient
dungers!

[Bob F]

Really? With water pressure pressing it towards you?

[Peeler]

On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 12:19:43 +1100, Xeno, another brainless, troll-feeding,
senile Australian idiot, blathered:

> Not so easy on modern cars. Your experience seems to be with ancient
> dungers!

The experience you are having here is with a PROVEN clinically insane
attention-starved wanker, you retarded troll-feeding senile shithead!

[Peeler]

On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 19:31:49 -0700, Bob F, anothed demented troll-feeding
senile Yankee shithead, babbled:

>> You can remove the windscreen by pushing it with both feet.
>
> Really? With water pressure pressing it towards you?

HE can! The troll also can swim in ice-cold water for hours, with his IQ of
over 140, you troll-feeding senile Yankee arsehole!

[Vladimir Putin]

On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 02:19:43 +0100, Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> On 26/10/2023 11:10 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 14:29:11 +0100, Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> On 19/9/2023 9:08 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-66847675
>>>>
>>>> Are Americans really incapable of smashing the glass of their own car to
>>>> escape? It's hardly rocket science.
>>>
>>> If you have one of these;
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com.au/Car-Safety-Hammer-Emergecy-Aluminium/dp/B08DMRDKPS/ref=asc_df_B08DMRDKPS/
>>>
>>> then it's a non-issue. If you don't, you might find that the glass will
>>> resist every effort to smash it.
>>>
>>> You've obviously never tried to smash a window in a late model car.
>>
>> You can remove the windscreen by pushing it with both feet.
> Not talking about the windscreen

Why would you not consider the largest window as a means of escape?

>> Or hit the window with any hard object.
>
> Not so easy on modern cars. Your experience seems to be with ancient
> dungers!

The glass is not stronger to impact. They make it breakable by design.

[Bob F]

Windshield are laminated glass and plastic so rocks cannot easily get
through. They are NOT an escape route.

[Scott Lurndal]

And the pressure from the water outside is way more than any
individual can match.

See the mythbusters extensive treatment of the issue.

[Vladimir Putin]

Pressure isn't everything.

[Bob F]

It is a hell of a lot more than you have got.

[Peeler]

On Tue, 7 Nov 2023 17:19:11 -0800, Bob F, another demented troll-feeding
senile Yankee shithead, babbled:

> Windshield are laminated glass and plastic so rocks cannot easily get
> through. They are NOT an escape route.

Another forlorn senile Yankeetard who is so miserable that he's THANKFUL
that an abysmally stupid troll keeps engaging him! LOL

[Peeler]

On Tue, 7 Nov 2023 20:32:49 -0800, Bob F, another demented troll-feeding
senile Yankee shithead, babbled:

> It is a hell of a lot more than you have got.

What he got is enough for the trolling wanker to have YOU on the hook, you
idiotic troll-feeding senile asshole. <BG>

[Vladimir Putin]

Idiot. You can break into a car easily through the windshield. The glass shatters safely, then you can pull it off.

And you don't need to capitalise words for no reason. It's still a negative even without the capitals.

[Vladimir Putin]

On Wed, 08 Nov 2023 01:31:51 -0000, Scott Lurndal <sc...@slp53.sl.home> wrote:

> Bob F <bobn...@gmail.com> writes:
>> On 11/7/2023 4:02 PM, Vladimir Putin wrote:
>>> On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 02:19:43 +0100, Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 26/10/2023 11:10 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 14:29:11 +0100, Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 19/9/2023 9:08 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-66847675
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are Americans really incapable of smashing the glass of their own
>>>>>>> car to

>>>>>>> escape? It's hardly rocket science.

>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have one of these;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com.au/Car-Safety-Hammer-Emergecy-Aluminium/dp/B08DMRDKPS/ref=asc_df_B08DMRDKPS/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> then it's a non-issue. If you don't, you might find that the glass will
>>>>>> resist every effort to smash it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You've obviously never tried to smash a window in a late model car.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can remove the windscreen by pushing it with both feet.
>>>> Not talking about the windscreen
>>>
>>> Why would you not consider the largest window as a means of escape?
>>>
>>>>> Or hit the window with any hard object.
>>>>
>>>> Not so easy on modern cars. Your experience seems to be with ancient
>>>> dungers!
>>>

>>> The glass is not stronger to impact. They make it breakable by design.

>>
>> Windshield are laminated glass and plastic so rocks cannot easily get
>> through. They are NOT an escape route.
>
> And the pressure from the water outside is way more than any
> individual can match.

You don't need to match it. You hit the window in a very small area.

> See the mythbusters extensive treatment of the issue.

Like they're always right. They never cover things completely.

They did get rid of the stupid myth of you dying in 15 minutes in ice water though.

[Vladimir Putin]

Hint: I'm not pushing the whole window.

[😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅]

It is not easy to break the glass with your fist while you are strapped
to your car seat. It is not easy to find an object hard enough to break
the glass when you are strapped to your car seat. That's why people make
all kinds of emergency escape hammer for cars to break the glass.

[Bob F]

Breaking the windshield "glass" does little to get you out of the car
https://www.quora.com/What-kind-of-glass-is-the-windscreen-of-a-car-made-of-Why

[Vladimir Putin]

From personal experience I know you can break a windscreen and get through it. It wasn't my car and it wasn't underwater, but that's irrelevant.

[Vladimir Putin]

I'm not into BDSM, I don't strap myself to the car seat. Usually plenty tools in the back like a tyre iron.

[Hiram T Schwantz]

On Tue, 02 Jan 2024 00:22:09 -0000, Vladimir Putin posted for all of us to
digest...

Well, I have to defend Bob F here. The front windshield may crack but it won't
shatter. They are also glued in and you would have to be EXTREMELY strong to
push it out with your feet. You would probably break the back of the seat
before the glass.

--
Hiram

[Hiram T Schwantz]

On Wed, 03 Jan 2024 00:10:15 -0000, Vladimir Putin posted for all of us to
digest...

Oh, so now you are aquatic genius; swimming to the back to retrieve a tire iron
to break the windshield.

--
Hiram

[Vladimir Putin]

Once it's cracked, it no longer has rigidity, will bend, and get removed form the frame (its only glued in).

[Vladimir Putin]

If I have to swim to the back, the car is full of water, hence no pressure difference and anything can be opened normally.

Also you don't have to be an aquatic genius to swim, 99% of people can do it.

[AK]

On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 6:08:14 AM UTC-5, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-66847675
>
> Are Americans really incapable of smashing the glass of their own car to escape? It's hardly rocket science.

It seems you are intellectually challenged.

I venture that most folks with cars would try to kick their windows out to escape.

Andy