Ouch! cracked Plasma TV front glass

[Tony Hwang]

Hi,
Any one experienced this? Accident occurred(falling object off the wall)
hit the glass and cracked it making spider web. Picture is still normal.
When I called two TV repair shops I was told, not worth the trouble
replacing the glass panel. I can claim on my house insurance(never
claimed anything) SWMBO says, buy a bigger new TV. This is 58in.
Panasonic set a few years old. What should I do I am wondering. For new
one I am leaning to LED one this time. Less power consumption, whole lot
lighter than Plasma set.
Any opinions/advices?
TIA

[Metspitzer]

On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:10:09 -0600, Tony Hwang <drag...@shaw.ca>
wrote:

I went with a Plasma because it is better at viewing from the side. If
your old one is 58, I am guessing you have a large viewing area.

Power usage for Plasma could be a much as 5 times the cost. Even more
if you crank up the eye candy settings.

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:10:09 -0600, Tony Hwang <drag...@shaw.ca> wrote:

Replace. Another plasma.

[Dean Hoffman]

Bunch of stuff here: > http://www.avsforum.com/f/

[Pete C.]

It's Panasonic, parent company matsuSHITa, if it's more than a week old
they don't want to know about it. I once had to harass matsuSHITa techs
in NJ for two weeks to get some docs on a 3 year old OEM monitor. Ditch
it and get something Korean, LG or Samsung. Both are good, I'm fond of
LG.

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:51:30 -0500, "Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net> wrote:

>
>Tony Hwang wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> Any one experienced this? Accident occurred(falling object off the wall)
>> hit the glass and cracked it making spider web. Picture is still normal.
>> When I called two TV repair shops I was told, not worth the trouble
>> replacing the glass panel. I can claim on my house insurance(never
>> claimed anything) SWMBO says, buy a bigger new TV. This is 58in.
>> Panasonic set a few years old. What should I do I am wondering. For new
>> one I am leaning to LED one this time. Less power consumption, whole lot
>> lighter than Plasma set.
>> Any opinions/advices?
>> TIA
>
>It's Panasonic, parent company matsuSHITa,

No, the name of the corporation is Panasonic. Matsushita is no longer.

>if it's more than a week old they don't want to know about it.

A lie. I have two Panasonics (both 42"), one is five years old. At three
years, they replaced the power supply, on their dime, including labor for the
tech to drive 100miles (round trip). The warranty was one year, yet they
covered it with little fuss. When I wanted another set, there was no question
that it was going to be a Panasonic.

>I once had to harass matsuSHITa techs
>in NJ for two weeks to get some docs on a 3 year old OEM monitor. Ditch
>it and get something Korean, LG or Samsung. Both are good, I'm fond of

Since you don't even know the name of the company, or who the "techs" worked
for, the rest of your story is doubtful.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:10:09 -0600, Tony Hwang <drag...@shaw.ca>
wrote:

Plasma is good if you watch mostly in darkened settings. It has high
reflectivity and will show the glare of lights in the room and sun
coming in windows.

LED and LCD fare best in brighter conditions. Use much less energy
too.

As for brands, I have one LG and three Samsung and I'd not hesitate to
buy either brand again.

Want to save sales tax? www.abt.com I've bought a couple of items
from them. Fast delivery, free shipping on most items.

[Metspitzer]

On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:51:30 -0500, "Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net>
wrote:

>

I don't know about LG TVs but I have a 27 inch 400 buck LG monitor. I
also have a 20ish 100 buck Acer monitor. The Acer has clearer text
than the LG. I would not get another LG monitor.

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:12:53 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:10:09 -0600, Tony Hwang <drag...@shaw.ca>
>wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>Any one experienced this? Accident occurred(falling object off the wall)
>>hit the glass and cracked it making spider web. Picture is still normal.
>>When I called two TV repair shops I was told, not worth the trouble
>>replacing the glass panel. I can claim on my house insurance(never
>>claimed anything) SWMBO says, buy a bigger new TV. This is 58in.
>>Panasonic set a few years old. What should I do I am wondering. For new
>>one I am leaning to LED one this time. Less power consumption, whole lot
>>lighter than Plasma set.
>>Any opinions/advices?
>>TIA
>
>Plasma is good if you watch mostly in darkened settings. It has high
>reflectivity and will show the glare of lights in the room and sun
>coming in windows.
>
>LED and LCD fare best in brighter conditions. Use much less energy
>too.

I disagree. I find plasmas are much brighter and are viewable in a wider
range of conditions.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:10:09 -0600, Tony Hwang <drag...@shaw.ca>
wrote:

If it is the smooth front Panasonic it is a second glass screen and
you can just remove the broken glass and keep using the TV. That
extra glass front sure protects the actual plasma screen!!!. Might not
be hard to put a new glass or plexi sheet on yourself either - have
not looked closely at mine to see what would be involved.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:51:30 -0500, "Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net>
wrote:

>

The good panasonic stuff is still about as good as it gets - but more
expensive than the equivalent LG or Sammy. Gotta love a company who's
name is "Lucky Goldstar"

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:12:53 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.net> wrote:

We have the smooth front Panosonic Plasma in our living room - large
bow window on the side wall, and absolutely NO glare issues. Much
better than the old Sanyo CRT it replaced.

[gregz]

I don't buy shiny front tvs or monitors. I never cared for the plasma look.
Too artificial looking. I bought a cheap coby currently. It looses contrast
quickly from the side. I can feel the heat from hot screens as I walk past
them at dealers. Most recommend better names as far as fixing goes. At
least I can adjust the custom color controls on my coby to get good color
fidelity without bloated over saturated garbage, what might look impressive
in the showroom, but anything but natural.
oh, it takes a while after you turn it on for the controls to work, but it
always turns on !!


Greg

[Doug]

On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:10:09 -0600, Tony Hwang <drag...@shaw.ca>
wrote:

I tend to agree with new LED. Heck I only have a 40" LCD with HD
programming and I love it. Personally I will only consider Samsung
tv's.

[Tony Hwang]

Hmmm,
Any one has Sharp LED one?

[brahi...@gmail.com]

http://www.brahim.n.nu

[harryagain]

"Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net> wrote in message
news:5007687f$0$14796$a826...@newsreader.readnews.com...

Panasonic.
I have had lots of trouble with faulty remotes. (Two in two yars)
And they were VERY unhelpful. Accused me of spilling wine on it. (Never have
wine in the house)

[bob haller]

first as to homeowners insurance......

whats your deductible? if its 5500 bucks you will still be out 500 bucks, and making a claim on your insurane may cost you big time in higher rates. plus the price of big screen tvs have dropped a lot, from costs 3 years ago..

your replacement tv might not cost much more than the deductible.

personally i like the look and less power consumed by LED tvs.

go to say wall mart and some other stores and draw your own conclusions.

[bob haller]

obvious typo 500 buck deductible

[Ed Pawlowski]

On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:17:48 -0400, Metspitzer
<Kilo...@deletemecharter.net> wrote:



>
>I don't know about LG TVs but I have a 27 inch 400 buck LG monitor. I
>also have a 20ish 100 buck Acer monitor. The Acer has clearer text
>than the LG. I would not get another LG monitor.

Wow, I have a $200 LG monitor and it is sharper than any in my house
or at work. I'd definitely buy another LG. I like my LG TV also, but
Samsung is at least equal. My wife's Samsung monitor is not as good
as my LG.

I have to wonder with any brand if they have improved or cheapened
them based on the differences of our experience. My LG monitor is
about 5 years old.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:23:00 -0400, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
<k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:



>>
>>Plasma is good if you watch mostly in darkened settings. It has high
>>reflectivity and will show the glare of lights in the room and sun
>>coming in windows.
>>
>>LED and LCD fare best in brighter conditions. Use much less energy
>>too.
>
>I disagree. I find plasmas are much brighter and are viewable in a wider
>range of conditions.
>

Brighter, yes. But I don't want to see a reflection of the lamp in
the TV background as often happens with that shiny screen.

[Doug]

On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:54:59 -0600, Tony Hwang <drag...@shaw.ca>

Sorry, only 3 Samsungs in our house so far. They replaced the 4 or 5
old ones (Panasonic, Sanyo, Sony, ???). Actually 4 Samsungs if you
count my daughter who lives near by of which I own 1/2 of her tv <g>.

[Doug]

Ed, I can't speak about Plasma since I never owned one but my Samsung
LCDs have adjustments for brightness / darkness which help to a
degree. I guess it's subjective to how much. To be honest, I never
change my setting and it seems my (surgically aided) eyes adjust to
the tv.

[Bob_Villa]

On Wednesday, July 18, 2012 9:12:53 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>
> Plasma is good if you watch mostly in darkened settings. It has high
> reflectivity and will show the glare of lights in the room and sun
> coming in windows.
>
> LED and LCD fare best in brighter conditions. Use much less energy
> too.
>

> As for brands, I have one LG and three Samsung and I&#39;d not hesitate to
> buy either brand again.
>
> Want to save sales tax? www.abt.com I&#39;ve bought a couple of items

> from them. Fast delivery, free shipping on most items.

LED is a type of "back-lighting"...not a type of display in use on TVs at this point.

[HeyBub]

Just a thought:

Since the TV is trashed anyway, why not clear off a large space on your
workbench and disassemble it?

You might find that the front glass is just that: a piece of glass!

If so, you can get a replacement from a glass shop.

I had a 25" LCD monitor go belly up and wash ashore. Checking the web, I
found that capacitors for this particular model were flaky. Taking the list
from the web site, I bought 11 capacitors (as I recall about six dollars)
and, deftly wielding a soldering iron, replaced them. Monitor now works
perfectly.

Point is, you can't kill a corpse. I'd invest a couple of hours in a
possible cure.

[George]

Isn't "this 20" is a lot different than that 27" " something of an
apple an orange thing?

[George]

I think in general a smaller monitor will always look better than a
bigger monitor.

[Pete C.]

"k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" wrote:
>

SFB, matsuSHITa is the parent company of the Panasonic, Techniques,
Quasar and probably a number of other brands.

[Pete C.]

LG most likely OEMd the LCD panel used in the Acer monitor. LG owns the
largest LCD factory in the world last I knew.

[Pete C.]

Most of the time when someone reports this type of apparent issue, they
are either comparing an analog signal to a digital one or have the
phasing settings misadjusted on an analog input. I use my 26" LG
HDTV/monitor for CAD work much of the time and it is crystal clear.

[Pete C.]

I've yet to find any "good" Panasonic gear and I've had the misfortune
to use a lot of it. I recall the much maligned Goldstar brand way back
when, and the fact that while everyone claimed it was a POS, the stuff
just kept working flawlessly year after year.

[Pete C.]

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> Want to save sales tax? www.abt.com I've bought a couple of items
> from them. Fast delivery, free shipping on most items.

Are you saying you don't file a CT sales and use tax return on your out
of state untaxed purchases?

[Pete C.]

Tony Hwang wrote:
>
> Hmmm,
> Any one has Sharp LED one?

No such thing as an LED TV at this point, possibly in the future.
Today's options are LCD or plasma basically. LED only refers to the
backlighting of the LCD panel. Early LCD panels used fluorescent
backlighting, and I don't think very many of those are even made
anymore. LED backlighting comes in a number of flavors these days with
edge lit being the common less expensive variant. Some LED backlit LCD
TVs have the LEDs behind the LCD in an array that is actively controlled
to reduce backlight in areas with a darker image to increase the
contrast ratio. I think a few high end units even use RGB LEDs similarly
to enhance colored areas of the image with matching backlight.

[Oren]

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 01:52:56 -0700 (PDT), bob haller <hal...@aol.com>
wrote:

>go to say wall mart and some other stores and draw your own conclusions.

Plenty of information here with tech info.

<http://lcdtvbuyingguide.com/>

[Metspitzer]

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:43:39 -0500, "Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net>
wrote:

>

Could you point me to a site where this is discussed.........slowly :)
My 27 inch is using an HDMI cable and the 20-21 is using a DVI cable.
The 20 does 1080P but does not have an HDMI port.

When I first noticed the difference, the 27 was using a 20ft HDMI
cable. I changed it to a 6ft HDMI that is barely long enough to reach
the tower. It may have helped a little.

The program that makes the noticeable difference is Winmx. I really
don't notice it using IE or FF. But with Winmx the difference is
really noticeable.

[Oren]

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:53:15 -0500, "Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net>
wrote:

>

Now there is OLED and AMOLED <G>

<http://oled.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/>

[Pete C.]

Metspitzer wrote:
>
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:43:39 -0500, "Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:17:48 -0400, Metspitzer
> >> <Kilo...@deletemecharter.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >I don't know about LG TVs but I have a 27 inch 400 buck LG monitor. I
> >> >also have a 20ish 100 buck Acer monitor. The Acer has clearer text
> >> >than the LG. I would not get another LG monitor.
> >>
> >> Wow, I have a $200 LG monitor and it is sharper than any in my house
> >> or at work. I'd definitely buy another LG. I like my LG TV also, but
> >> Samsung is at least equal. My wife's Samsung monitor is not as good
> >> as my LG.
> >>
> >> I have to wonder with any brand if they have improved or cheapened
> >> them based on the differences of our experience. My LG monitor is
> >> about 5 years old.
> >
> >Most of the time when someone reports this type of apparent issue, they
> >are either comparing an analog signal to a digital one or have the
> >phasing settings misadjusted on an analog input. I use my 26" LG
> >HDTV/monitor for CAD work much of the time and it is crystal clear.
>
> Could you point me to a site where this is discussed.........slowly :)
> My 27 inch is using an HDMI cable and the 20-21 is using a DVI cable.
> The 20 does 1080P but does not have an HDMI port.

Both of those should be digital signals.

>
> When I first noticed the difference, the 27 was using a 20ft HDMI
> cable. I changed it to a 6ft HDMI that is barely long enough to reach
> the tower. It may have helped a little.

Cable length shouldn't really matter for digital signals unless they are
really crummy cables.

>
> The program that makes the noticeable difference is Winmx. I really
> don't notice it using IE or FF. But with Winmx the difference is
> really noticeable.

Are both displays fed from the same PC? The other thing that will make a
significant difference in the picture quality is using a display setting
other than the native resolution of the display which forces the display
to scale the signal to fit.

If the display resolution is set at say 1024x768 and the 20" display has
a native resolution of 1024x768 while the 27" is something like 1440x920
the 27" display will have to scale the signal to fit which will result
in a noticable loss of clarity.

[Pete C.]

Still a bit in the future as far as finding those in mainstream stores
and at reasonable prices. Certainly they are out there though and will
become more common.

[Bob_Villa]

On Thursday, July 19, 2012 9:53:15 AM UTC-5, Pete C. wrote:
> Tony Hwang wrote:
> &gt;
> &gt; Hmmm,
> &gt; Any one has Sharp LED one?

>
> No such thing as an LED TV at this point, possibly in the future.

> Today&#39;s options are LCD or plasma basically. LED only refers to the

> backlighting of the LCD panel. Early LCD panels used fluorescent

> backlighting, and I don&#39;t think very many of those are even made

> anymore. LED backlighting comes in a number of flavors these days with
> edge lit being the common less expensive variant. Some LED backlit LCD
> TVs have the LEDs behind the LCD in an array that is actively controlled
> to reduce backlight in areas with a darker image to increase the
> contrast ratio. I think a few high end units even use RGB LEDs similarly
> to enhance colored areas of the image with matching backlight.

Got that covered already, thanks!

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

Wrong.

[dpb]

Actually, Matsushita _was_ Panasonic originally (from 1918 roughly?)
altho setup as different brand names. In 2008 Matsushita retired the
founder's name in favor of Panasonic and essentially reorganized/renamed
the company dropping Matsushita.

SANYO became a subsidiary in 2009.

I'm not sure about but a quick look doesn't show
Quasar/Techniques/others as subsidiaries...a more than thorough
recounting is available at

<http://panasonic.net/history/>

--

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 13:30:17 -0500, dpb <no...@non.net> wrote:

>On 7/19/2012 1:12 PM, k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:40:12 -0500, "Pete C."<aux3....@snet.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>> SFB, matsuSHITa is the parent company of the Panasonic, Techniques,
>>> Quasar and probably a number of other brands.
>>
>> Wrong.
>>
>
>Actually, Matsushita _was_ Panasonic originally (from 1918 roughly?)
>altho setup as different brand names. In 2008 Matsushita retired the
>founder's name in favor of Panasonic and essentially reorganized/renamed
>the company dropping Matsushita.

That's not right either. The link below doesn't say what you think it does.
The *company* goes back to 1918 but the "Panasonic" name dates only back to
the '50s. It was known as "National" before that but they couldn't use the
name in the US (there was already a "National Radio") so came up with the
"Panasonic" (Pan-American-Sound, or some such) brand.

>SANYO became a subsidiary in 2009.

Yes, it was started/run by a relative (cousin, IIRC) and absorbed, as you say.

>I'm not sure about but a quick look doesn't show
>Quasar/Techniques/others as subsidiaries...a more than thorough
>recounting is available at
>
><http://panasonic.net/history/>

I think the Wikipedia article goes into some more detail but I haven't looked
it up in a while.

[George]

I have a 50" LG as a projector replacement in a conference room. The
computer has a good video card and is running at 1080p over HDMI and the
video is excellent.

[George]

Lots of stuff to consider. DVI can be either analog or digital. What is
the quality of the video cards? Is the resolution running at the native
resolution for the monitors?

[Metspitzer]

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:23:38 -0400, George <geo...@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

It is a single card. I am not using the onboard video. The card is a
Sapphire Radeon Hd 6970. Both monitors are using 1920x1080. I don't
really know if that is native, but I assume it is.

BTW the machine is an I7-2600k 3.4 quad core with 8G memory.

[Duesenberg]

Matsushita is no longer used as a corporate name. The name was dropped
around 2008. The company uses Panasonic as the corporate parent name
now globally.

Panasonic is a very trustworthy name so that's why they changed the
name. Plamsa TVs are a Panasonic strength.

Does SFB means shit for brains? It used to in the old IRC days. Because
if it does, you may want to retract that on this particular issue.

[Pete C.]

A very recent name change does not in any way mean that matsuSHITa was
not indeed the parent company of Panasonic. As for Panasonic quality, I
spent far too many years having to use their garbage and having it fail
right out of the factory sealed box to consider it remotely trustworthy.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 06:01:30 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:17:48 -0400, Metspitzer
><Kilo...@deletemecharter.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>
>>I don't know about LG TVs but I have a 27 inch 400 buck LG monitor. I
>>also have a 20ish 100 buck Acer monitor. The Acer has clearer text
>>than the LG. I would not get another LG monitor.
>
>Wow, I have a $200 LG monitor and it is sharper than any in my house
>or at work. I'd definitely buy another LG. I like my LG TV also, but
>Samsung is at least equal. My wife's Samsung monitor is not as good
>as my LG.
>
>I have to wonder with any brand if they have improved or cheapened
>them based on the differences of our experience. My LG monitor is
>about 5 years old.

As with ANY product, there is high end and low end fron each
manufacturer. A cheap of any brand will be poorer than a good of any
other brand, with some natable exceptions where an incredibly low
priced product CAN blow away its higher priced competition. Can't
predict which company and model it will be from quarter to quarter
though.

[Duesenberg]

Why did you use the term SFB in this thread? SFB usually means shit for
brains. Why did you call somebody SFB when they were posting correct
information?

If your use of SFB did not stand for shit for brains then what was your
intended meaning?

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

Panasonic *IS* the parent company. You said it was Matsushita, which is
false, and then went on your rant. I don't expect an apology. STFU, would be
enough.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:53:15 -0500, "Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net>
wrote:

>

>Tony Hwang wrote:
>>
>> Hmmm,
>> Any one has Sharp LED one?
>
>No such thing as an LED TV at this point, possibly in the future.

Actually there IS. The Sonly XEL-1 OLED TV was introduced and sold in
2008-2009 in select markets (including Canada). At just under $3.000
for an 11 inch display it was not a big seller - but the picture had
fantastic contrast and viewing angle - it's only real problem was
primary colour reproduction accuracy

[Ed Pawlowski]

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:48:45 -0500, "Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net>
wrote:

>

I do when I pay my income tax. There is a line on the form for that.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:47:37 -0400, George <geo...@nospam.invalid>
wrote:


>>
>I think in general a smaller monitor will always look better than a
>bigger monitor.

That was very true of the CRT set with 525 lines. With flat screen
technology and high definition, you get good quality even at close
distance on big screens. That is why the big ass 55" and up are so
popular.

[Pete C.]

Panasonic is the 2008 renamed matsuSHITa which was long the parent
company SFB. Regardless of what name they call themselves now they still
make shit products.

[Pete C.]

cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:53:15 -0500, "Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Tony Hwang wrote:
> >>
> >> Hmmm,
> >> Any one has Sharp LED one?
> >
> >No such thing as an LED TV at this point, possibly in the future.
>
> Actually there IS. The Sonly XEL-1 OLED TV was introduced and sold in
> 2008-2009 in select markets (including Canada). At just under $3.000
> for an 11 inch display it was not a big seller - but the picture had
> fantastic contrast and viewing angle - it's only real problem was
> primary colour reproduction accuracy

Yes, limited distribution, insane price, anything but mainstream. If you
go looking for a TV in your local electronics retailer today your
choices are basically plasma or LED backlit LCD, or DLP based projectors
of course.

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

So you freely admit that you're liar. Fair enough.

[Bob_Villa]

On Thursday, July 19, 2012 7:24:39 AM UTC-5, HeyBub wrote:

>
> I had an LCD monitor go belly up and wash ashore. Checking the web, I
> found that capacitors for this particular model were flaky. Taking the list
> from the web site, I bought 11 capacitors (as I recall about six dollars)
> and, deftly wielding a soldering iron, replaced them. Monitor now works
> perfectly.
>
> Point is, you can't kill a corpse. I'd invest a couple of hours in a
> possible cure.

I did the same with a 19" and posted the fix on an electronics forum and was chewed on because I used "the wrong type capacitor" for a switching power supply. It is still working after 2+ years! A__holes!

[Pete C.]

You prove again and again that you're a SFB. The company history clearly
shows matsuSHITa as the parent company up until the 2008 name change.

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

It's not my fault that you're *that* dense; too stupid to even use Google.

[Pete C.]

Troll... *plonk*

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

Aw, poor baby had a public tantrum.

[Oren]

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:17:59 -0500, "Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net>
wrote:

>Troll... *plonk*

Grab the camera. A Plonkasuras has been sighted.

[HeyBub]

Did you use a green one instead of black? Disk-shaped ceramic instead of
tubular?

The world wants to know!

It might be time for an update to your post from two years ago.