Take the Ethanol Challenge by Husqvarna

[Nymshifting Top-poster]

Husqvarna launched the Ethanol Challenge, an animated, online quiz designed to help educate consumers on the effects of ethanol as
well as prevention of ethanol-related product issues. Husqvarna has issued the Ethanol Challenge in order to provide the tools for
consumers to gain awareness about ethanol, in hopes that education can help them maintain and care for their Husqvarna equipment.

http://ethanol.husqvarna.com

[zxcvbob]

It requires a Facebook account :-(

-Bob

[Ed Pawlowski]

On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 19:54:42 -0600, zxcvbob <zxc...@charter.net>
wrote:

Not to watch the video or to read what they have to say. I'm not sure
about registering to win the prizes.

[Snake Doc]

While e10 ethanol seems to work ok in late model cars, it sure is the
fuel from Hell for small engines. I've had my Stihl, Kohler, B&S,
Generac and John Deere dealers all tell me to use e10 within 30 days or
dispose of it.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 05:35:19 -0500, Snake Doc <a@b.c> wrote:


>
>While e10 ethanol seems to work ok in late model cars, it sure is the
>fuel from Hell for small engines. I've had my Stihl, Kohler, B&S,
>Generac and John Deere dealers all tell me to use e10 within 30 days or
>dispose of it.
>
>

One of our local equipment dealers sell real gas in five gallon cans.

[Tony Miklos]

You can "dispose" of your 31 day old e10 in my car if you like!

[Stormin Mormon]

Pour it in the back seat, or the front seat?

I'd be worried about the survey being "politically correct". Pushing
ethanol, rather than saying what is really happening.

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[Tegger]

"Nymshifting Top-poster" <anon...@nymshifter.guv> wrote in
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>
> Husqvarna launched the Ethanol Challenge



I'd prefer to take the Ethanol Challenge by Jack Daniel's. If they ever
have one, that is.


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[Steve Barker]

On 1/26/2012 4:35 AM, Snake Doc wrote:
>
> While e10 ethanol seems to work ok in late model cars, it sure is the
> fuel from Hell for small engines. I've had my Stihl, Kohler, B&S,
> Generac and John Deere dealers all tell me to use e10 within 30 days or
> dispose of it.
>
>
>

our local stihl dealer was telling us that gas goes bad in 30 days 20
years ago. Way before the ethanol came around. Personally, i don't
have a problem with it. It's about all that is available around here
and i don't pay much attention to who is selling it and who is not. I
haven't had any problems with my stihl or exmark small engines whatsoever.

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[Tony Miklos]

On 1/26/2012 8:16 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> Pour it in the back seat, or the front seat?

Dang it, I saw that coming as soon as I hit send. In the fuel tank
please, and I'll even take the 31 day old 2 cycle mix!

[Stormin Mormon]

And, I figured it would only be a few hours till someone said something.

I wonder how ethanol crap gasoline will affect industry? Now, remote logging
operations will have to get their gasoline flown in every 30 days, instead
of once or twice a year?

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[Steve Barker]

On 1/26/2012 8:38 AM, Tony Miklos wrote:
> On 1/26/2012 8:16 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>> Pour it in the back seat, or the front seat?
>
> Dang it, I saw that coming as soon as I hit send. In the fuel tank
> please, and I'll even take the 31 day old 2 cycle mix!
>
>

reminds me of the days when dad would run out of gas on the way home
from the lake and pour the leftover outboard gas (we hauled our own)
into the truck

[Steve Barker]

On 1/26/2012 8:37 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> And, I figured it would only be a few hours till someone said something.
>
> I wonder how ethanol crap gasoline will affect industry? Now, remote logging
> operations will have to get their gasoline flown in every 30 days, instead
> of once or twice a year?
>
> Christopher A. Young

It's all bs sales hype. It doesn't go bad in 30 days and it's not near
as destructive as you'd be led to believe. The fact of the matter is
the small engine people are getting out of warranty claims with this
scape goat ethanol. It is pure bs.

[Stormin Mormon]

It was my pleasure. Of course, the two stroke stuff works fine, in the car's
gas tank.

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[Stormin Mormon]

I've heard of painters also using paint thinner in the gas tank. Not sure
that did much good, but who can tell.

Seems like the lake was too far away, or maybe Dad ought have tanked up at
town?

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[notbob]

On 2012-01-26, Steve Barker <ichase...@notgmail.com> wrote:

> It's all bs sales hype. It doesn't go bad in 30 days and it's not near
> as destructive as you'd be led to believe. The fact of the matter is
> the small engine people are getting out of warranty claims with this
> scape goat ethanol. It is pure bs.

I figured as much.

How a car can use this fuel jes fine while small engines crumble into
rubble makes no sense at all. Jes a handy excuse for the cheap junk
now being manufactured in China.

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[IGot2P]

Well said, and I totally agree. That whole Husqvarna thingy was just a
poor effort to cover their ass.

Don

[Frank]

With 2 cycle oil in it?
31 days is BS. I've been working out of the same can, with stabilizer,
for 3 years, although dryness and keeping out air is important.

[JIMMIE]

On Jan 25, 6:47 pm, "Nymshifting Top-poster"

Looks like a trap to snag your Facebook account. Husqvarna should come
first not ethanol.

Jimmie

[Tony Miklos]

Sure! A couple gallons of mix mixed with 10 gallons of plain e10 isn't
going to cause me any problems.

[pseudonym]

Ok I'll ignore all the small engine manufacturers unanimous recommendations
and listen to some anonymous usenet poster. Not!

[denni...@gmail.com]

On Jan 26, 5:35 am, Snake Doc <a...@b.c> wrote:
> While e10 ethanol seems to work ok in late model cars, it sure is the
> fuel from Hell for small engines. I've had my Stihl, Kohler, B&S,
> Generac and John Deere dealers all tell me to use e10 within 30 days or
> dispose of it.

Yet I have over a dozen small engines and have not had one single
problem with using UNTREATED E10 as much as 18 months old. Chainsaws,
lawn mowers, snow blowers, weed wackers, tractors, pressure washers...
Everything runs as good as it did new. All I do is pour the gas in and
pull the rope.

[notbob]

On 2012-01-27, pseudonym <pseu...@virtual.universe> wrote:

> Ok I'll ignore all the small engine manufacturers unanimous recommendations
> and listen to some anonymous usenet poster. Not!

Yer free to do whatever you damn well please, but answer me this: What
monetary motivations do anon usenet posters have?

One other question: Why does this gas work jes fine in cars,
motorcycles, etc, but --as some would have us believe-- is a
mechanical holocaust for all things small engined?

[Nymshifting Top-poster]

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I just had to have the carbs on my sled ultrasonic cleaned because I forgot to drain the gas at the end of last season.

[Stormin Mormon]

I've heard that the older engines have rubber seals and gaskets. Which
aren't ethanol resistant. Newer engines use neoprene, which can handle
ethanol. How true? Dunno.

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[Armand Avi]

On 1/27/2012 12:03 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

>
> One other question: Why does this gas work jes fine in cars,
> motorcycles, etc, but --as some would have us believe-- is a
> mechanical holocaust for all things small engined?
>

As I understand it, gasahol deteriorates at a much faster rate than pure
gasoline. Some say toss it out after 30 days, others say 90 days.

If old 90-day-old gasahol works for you, don't worry about it. Use
whatever works for you.

OTOH, I'll take the advise of the engine manufacture.

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20111209/AUTO01/112090409/1361/70-House-members-urge-halt-to-E15-fuel-use

[jack]

It doesn't look like the top auto companies like ethanol either.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-07-05/ford-toyota-criticize-epa-ethanol-blend-fuel-proposal.html

[dpb]

On 1/27/2012 3:03 PM, jack wrote:
>
> It doesn't look like the top auto companies like ethanol either.

...

I think they're just putting out cya stuff mostly...

EPA ran a multi-year test of commercial vehicles for several years in
preparation and had no statistically discernible increase in failures.
The reason the rule came out for 2001 and later vehicles was that those
were the ones in the test class, not that there was anything
demonstrated against those prior to 2001.

That said, I'm against the mandates simply on the basis of the market
will cause whatever moves are the most economic and provide a solution
more efficiently than the government trying to continue to direct the
direction of future technology.

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[Ralph Mowery]

"jack" <ja...@comcast.not> wrote in message
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>
> It doesn't look like the top auto companies like ethanol either.
>
> http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-07-05/ford-toyota-criticize-epa-ethanol-blend-fuel-proposal.html
>

Seems that the answer is simple, they all get together and make the engines
so they will not run on the stuff. Even if they do run, void the
warranties.

Either the EPA backs down or a bunch of people are out of work.

[notbob]

On 2012-01-27, Ralph Mowery <rmower...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Either the EPA backs down or a bunch of people are out of work.

Horsecrap!!

I remember when they first started putting alcohol in gasoline, back
in the late 80s. It was voluntary and only a couple gas companies did
it. This was right after CA and the rest of the US outlawed ethyl
(lead) as an anti-knock additive. This lowered octane which caused
pinging in less efficient engines. Anyway, one company immediately
voluntarily added 10% alcohol and got great results. In fact, for
awhile, they had gas with an octane rating 1 pt higher than all other
brands (ferget the name). Later, CA banned alky and forced MTBE down
our throats.

The thing I recall is, gas with 10% alky improved the octane rating.
I had a Dodge van with a 318 and it ran better (no pinging) on hot
days up a steep grade than gas w/o alky. End of story!! No bad seals
dried out hoses or other piddling crap, and this on a 1974 van!!!

I've always run alky based gas, since, with no probs. Later, CA
banned MTBE and made 10% alky mandatory. No problems and haven't had
any since. Now I see they want to go to 15%. That's the corn lobby!!
...one of the single biggest ag lobbies in the US. Who could be
against it? Oh!!.... couldn't be the oil industry.

Regardless, if Brazil can run on 100% alky, we can run on 10-15% alky.
Any crap to the contrary is jes that. Pure political bullshit!

If you ppl are suffering from small engine failure after letting the
motor lie fallow with a carb/tank full of gas for 10 mos cuz yer too
damn lazy to drain the damn thing, it's because it's a piece of junk,
not cuz of alky gas.

BTW, my mom's 1991 Toyota pickup sat fer 2 yrs with alky gas in its
tank. Started right up and ran w/o probs to the nearest gas station.
This is real life story, not some bogus article put out by
who-knows-who behind some word processor who can't even change the oil
in their car. What crap!! It's all bullshit!!

[Steve Barker]

On 1/27/2012 3:03 PM, jack wrote:
>

> It doesn't look like the top auto companies like ethanol either.
>
> http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-07-05/ford-toyota-criticize-epa-ethanol-blend-fuel-proposal.html
>

that's some funny shit right there! You mentioned "top companies" then
cited fucking toyota! LMAO!!

[Juan Deere]

On 1/27/2012 7:12 PM, notbob wrote:

>
> BTW, my mom's 1991 Toyota pickup sat fer 2 yrs with alky gas in its
> tank. Started right up and ran w/o probs to the nearest gas station.
> This is real life story, not some bogus article put out by
> who-knows-who behind some word processor who can't even change the oil
> in their car. What crap!! It's all bullshit!!
>
> nb
>

Yer mom drives a pickup? LOL!

You'll never admit it but I'm guessing your bread is buttered by the
ethanol industry.

[Galileo Galilei]

"Juan Deere" <ju...@deere.nul> wrote in message news:sIKdnfmigviM0L7S...@giganews.com...

> On 1/27/2012 7:12 PM, notbob wrote:
>
>>
>> BTW, my mom's 1991 Toyota pickup sat fer 2 yrs with alky gas in its
>> tank. Started right up and ran w/o probs to the nearest gas station.
>> This is real life story, not some bogus article put out by
>> who-knows-who behind some word processor who can't even change the oil
>> in their car. What crap!! It's all bullshit!!
>>
>> nb
>>
>
> Yer mom drives a pickup? LOL!

A '91 at that.
You'd think a corn whore would at least buy his mom a new truck.

>
> You'll never admit it but I'm guessing your bread is buttered by the
> ethanol industry.

The corn business has quite a few shills.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2010-10-04/news/os-mike-thomas-ethanol-100510-20101004_1_ethanol-lobby-ethanol-industry-engines

[notbob]

On 2012-01-28, Juan Deere <ju...@deere.nul> wrote:

> Yer mom drives a pickup? LOL!

I drive the pickup. My mom has alzheimers, the reason the truck
sat for 2 yrs. Got any more stupid remarks?

> You'll never admit it but I'm guessing your bread is buttered by the
> ethanol industry.

Because yer a dolt, you guess wrong.

I despise the corn industry in this country, but only cuz of how it
operates, forcing its way into our lives, food, etc, via payoffs to
dirtbag politicians. But, don't let that point distract you. The
subject is whether or not alcohol is detrimental to an internal
combustion engine. Seems pretty damn strange to me that all these
mfrs suddently claim alcohol is the grim reaper of everything
mechanical, when in fact alky has been around fer decades and whole
countries flourish on it. Are you so stupid as to be duped by the
press and bend-you-over pass-the-buck companies?

Whatever. You morons can continue this stupid argument, if you so
desire. I've never had a single problem with alky gas in a real world
situation and all yer sniveling and whining is not gonna convince me a
problem I've NEVER experienced currently exists. One nice thing about
this thread, it gives me a heads up on all the companies to avoid
doing business with in the future.

[Ted]

On 1/27/2012 9:35 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2012-01-28, Juan Deere<ju...@deere.nul> wrote:
>
>> Yer mom drives a pickup? LOL!
>
> I drive the pickup. My mom has alzheimers, the reason the truck
> sat for 2 yrs. Got any more stupid remarks?
>
>> You'll never admit it but I'm guessing your bread is buttered by the
>> ethanol industry.
>
> Because yer a dolt, you guess wrong.
>
> I despise the corn industry in this country, but only cuz of how it
> operates, forcing its way into our lives, food, etc, via payoffs to
> dirtbag politicians. But, don't let that point distract you. The
> subject is whether or not alcohol is detrimental to an internal
> combustion engine. Seems pretty damn strange to me that all these
> mfrs suddently claim alcohol is the grim reaper of everything
> mechanical, when in fact alky has been around fer decades and whole
> countries flourish on it. Are you so stupid as to be duped by the
> press and bend-you-over pass-the-buck companies?
>
> Whatever. You morons can continue this stupid argument, if you so
> desire. I've never had a single problem with alky gas in a real world
> situation and all yer sniveling and whining is not gonna convince me a
> problem I've NEVER experienced currently exists. One nice thing about
> this thread, it gives me a heads up on all the companies to avoid
> doing business with in the future.
>
> nb
>

Intelligent people present facts to support their position.

The rest sling childish insults.

[Betelgeuse]

On 1/27/2012 7:53 PM, Steve Barker wrote:
> On 1/27/2012 3:03 PM, jack wrote:
>>
>> It doesn't look like the top auto companies like ethanol either.
>>
>> http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-07-05/ford-toyota-criticize-epa-ethanol-blend-fuel-proposal.html
>>
>>
>
>
> that's some funny shit right there! You mentioned "top companies" then
> cited fucking toyota! LMAO!!
>

I own Toyota's and have for years.

They are absolutely the most reliable cars I've ever owned.

[notbob]

On 2012-01-28, Ted <t...@gmail.removethis> wrote:

> Intelligent people present facts to support their position.
>
> The rest sling childish insults.

What's that make you, who provides neither? ;)

[Ted]

On 1/28/2012 11:50 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2012-01-28, Ted<t...@gmail.removethis> wrote:
>
>> Intelligent people present facts to support their position.
>>
>> The rest sling childish insults.
>
> What's that make you, who provides neither? ;)
>
> nb
>

Your previous posts that contain personal insults are the facts that
prove my statement. Review your previous posts if you don't believe me.

[notbob]

On 2012-01-28, Ted <t...@gmail.removethis> wrote:

> Your previous posts that contain personal insults are the facts that
> prove my statement. Review your previous posts if you don't believe me.

Of course. All my posts are fact, specially the insults! ;)

n