Leave drill battery on or off drill?
TOM KAN PA
on, or is it six to one, a half dozen to the other.
Joe Bobst
Why wear out the latches and contacts prematurely? If the switch works properly
the battery is isolated. FWIW, I vote for leaving it on.
Joe
MrAoD
Consult the manufacturer's recommendation. Most, IME, recommend leaving the
battery in the charger, provided the charger has the overcharge/overheat sensor
circuit.
Best,
Marc
John
should be drained before they are charged. Leaving the battery in the
charger will result in it being frequently "topped up" by the charger as it
naturally discharges and will reduce it's life and the amount of charge it
will take.
Leave the battery in the drill until it is almost fully drained.
John
"MrAoD" <mr...@aol.com> wrote in message
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jim
>
> When I store my cordless drill, should I remove the battery from it, leave it
> on, or is it six to one, a half dozen to the other.
have a charge on the battery.....
Mike Dobony
"John" <Don't_Sp...@msn.com> wrote in message
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> I disagree - most cordless drills use NiCad batteries which have memories
so
> should be drained before they are charged. Leaving the battery in the
> charger will result in it being frequently "topped up" by the charger as
it
> naturally discharges and will reduce it's life and the amount of charge it
> will take.
>
> Leave the battery in the drill until it is almost fully drained.
>
> John
Except for the new Dewalts and Milwaukees. They have memory free batteries.
You can charge them whenever you want. However, it is still better to just
leave them on the tool and have the second ready to go. It only takes an
hour to fully charge a dead battery anyway, 45 minutes with the Milwaukee's
triple charger. As far as the other brands, you are correct, the NiCads
need to be fully drained before recharging or else they develop a memory and
will not be able to be fully charged.
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> > (Joe Bobst) writes:
> >
> > ><< When I store my cordless drill, should I remove the battery from it,
> >>
> > >
> > >Why wear out the latches and contacts prematurely? If the switch works
> > >properly
> > >the battery is isolated. FWIW, I vote for leaving it on.
> >
> > Consult the manufacturer's recommendation. Most, IME, recommend leaving
> the
> > battery in the charger, provided the charger has the overcharge/overheat
> sensor
> > circuit.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Marc
>
>
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so
> should be drained before they are charged. Leaving the battery in the
> charger will result in it being frequently "topped up" by the charger as
it
> naturally discharges and will reduce it's life and the amount of charge it
> will take.
>
> Leave the battery in the drill until it is almost fully drained.
>
Forgot that NiCads also do not loose their charge very quickly, as opposed
to the NMH that are memory free, but quickly loose their charge.
> John
>
> "MrAoD" <mr...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> > (Joe Bobst) writes:
> >
> > ><< When I store my cordless drill, should I remove the battery from it,
> >>
> > >
> > >Why wear out the latches and contacts prematurely? If the switch works
> > >properly
> > >the battery is isolated. FWIW, I vote for leaving it on.
> >
> > Consult the manufacturer's recommendation. Most, IME, recommend leaving
> the
> > battery in the charger, provided the charger has the overcharge/overheat
> sensor
> > circuit.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Marc
>
>
Bruce
the battery on when not using it. In fact, the battery stays on until
it is drained. The spare battery always stays in the charger which is
plugged into the wall. Not sure if this is good or bad but it is what
I have done. No worries so far.
-- Bruce
PS -- Still using the same 2 batteries that came with the drill and
I've used (and abused) the drill quite a bit for driving deck screws
and making holes.
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George E. Cawthon
TOM KAN PA wrote:
>
> When I store my cordless drill, should I remove the battery from it, leave it
> on, or is it six to one, a half dozen to the other.
Keeping it attached should not result in any drain, so it
doesn't make any difference if the pack is attached or not,
unless you have some light or electronic readout on all of
the time.
And the saying is six OF one and half a dozen OF the other.
The preposition TO doesn't make sense.
Seriously, leave them attached unless instruction for that
particular brand say otherwise. Even cheap batteries don't
discharge that rapidly. OTOH, the tendency for many home
owners is to ignore the batteries which sit for varying long
period and just die. Or, they let them sit, and then charge
them for long periods (forget them) and way over charge
them, damaging the battery pack. If you have a precise up
to date well controlled charger, you can just let them
charge, but most chargers are not that good. The best bet
is a maintenance program whereby you check the voltage of
the pack periodically and when it reaches a certain point
you recharge the pack.
Forget all the stuff people tell you about memory and
discharging the battery pack. You should never discharge
the pack below 1 V per cell or you are likely to damage it.
And a cycle is a cycle and a battery pack has only a certain
number of cycles in it, so don't every discharge just to
discharge; discharge because you are using it and don't let
it get hot. Remember; never less that 1V per cell. In
practice, that number should be much higher and could be as
high as 12V. When you tool is getting obviously getting
weak, check the voltage and that is the voltage that you
don't want to go below.
The biggest problem with battery pack is overcharging, heat
kills quickly. So if your instructions say to fully charge
in 4 hours, never charge more than that, and if you use the
tool only a little and want to recharge, recharge for only
an hour or so. Check the voltage after the pack sits unused
for several hours and charge some more if needed. A fully
charged 12V pack probably reads around 13.2 volts. Check
the battery pack every month and charge it. You should
charge about once a month if you don't have and accurate
trickle charger (and most aren't accurate). Good Luck, and
if you need more information just do a google search on
Battery Memory and only read the ones that are from
universities, Government (e.g., NASA), or battery
manufacturers. Good Luck.
mark Ransley
discharge 1v . Lead acid store fully charged. ni mh I dont know.
Mike Dobony
"George E. Cawthon" <George...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> TOM KAN PA wrote:
> >
> > When I store my cordless drill, should I remove the battery from it,
leave it
> > on, or is it six to one, a half dozen to the other.
>
> Keeping it attached should not result in any drain, so it
> doesn't make any difference if the pack is attached or not,
> unless you have some light or electronic readout on all of
> the time.
>
> And the saying is six OF one and half a dozen OF the other.
> The preposition TO doesn't make sense.
>
> Seriously, leave them attached unless instruction for that
> particular brand say otherwise. Even cheap batteries don't
> discharge that rapidly. OTOH, the tendency for many home
> owners is to ignore the batteries which sit for varying long
> period and just die. Or, they let them sit, and then charge
> them for long periods (forget them) and way over charge
> them, damaging the battery pack. If you have a precise up
> to date well controlled charger, you can just let them
> charge, but most chargers are not that good. The best bet
> is a maintenance program whereby you check the voltage of
> the pack periodically and when it reaches a certain point
> you recharge the pack.
>
Regardless of the voltage, when the drill noticably looses power it is time
to recharge it. But again, follow manufacture's instructions. Forget that
"man" stuff and read the manual!
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constantly loose voltage through internal discharge. My
understanding is that as they go below 1v per cell, the
weakest cell is likely to reverse polarity and that will
ruin the battery. I keep mine charge above 12v by checking
every 4-6 weeks and charging before they drop below 12v.
I do the same with my lead acid batteries and charge them to
12.7v and while in storage charge them whenever they drop to
12.5v and never let them drop below 12.2v.
George E. Cawthon
I agree, when it loses power it's time to charge, but I
check the voltage more to establish a minimum voltage when
the batteries are stored. What is "man" stuff? Some tools
come with little more than a list of parts and don't give
any useful instructions about battery charging. They are
often as useful as new car driver manuals that say "see the
dealer."
>((snipped))> ---
mark Ransley
discharge. I have 20 yr old packs still operational . I store at apx
1v a cell .
Chris Lewis
> On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 01:38:11 GMT, "George E. Cawthon"
> <George...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >Don't think I understand that. In storage, the pack
> >constantly loose voltage through internal discharge. My
> >understanding is that as they go below 1v per cell, the
> >weakest cell is likely to reverse polarity and that will
> >ruin the battery. I keep mine charge above 12v by checking
> >every 4-6 weeks and charging before they drop below 12v.
> I didn't realize that a 12v. drill could run at 1v. lol
He did say "per cell", did he not?
--
Chris Lewis, Una confibula non set est
It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them.
tn...@mucks.net
<George...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
If you are talking about a NiCad battery being stored for a month
or more it is best to leave it in a some what discharged state. 40% of
its full charge is usually recommended.
A combination of constantly topping it off and not using/discharging
it
will ruin the batteries life quickly.
George E. Cawthon
Forty percent of full charge puts it below 1V per cell,
which will result in a good chance that the weak cell will
reverse polarity. That will kill the pack or lead to early
death.
For example, a 12V pack that measures 13.2V at full charge
will measure 5.28V at 40% charge, which is extreme. I just
checked two pack and one read 13.05 and one read 13.11 after
sitting for at least 10 days. My packs don't lose enough
voltage to require a charge more often than once every 30-45
days. That is constant topping off. In any case, topping
off isn't destructive, it's overcharging
Topping off the battery, if you mean charging to its full
capacity but no more, isn't going to ruin a battery. In
fact, that is exactly what the best chargers do. And not
using/discharging it won't ruin it quickly either. Not
using it does ruin batteries if you mean leaving it alone
because when internal discharge goes below 1V per cell, a
cell is likely to reverse polarity. All of my reading and
my limited experience of nicads (about 10 years) indicate
that overcharging and deep discharging (anything below 8V
for a 12V pack) are the main culprits for ruining battery
packs. I've found that individual AA cells used in walkman
type tape machines that discharge to about 1.25 V and then
are removed and continue to discharge to less than 1 volt
have very short lifetimes and successful recharge cycles.
Good luck with your 5.28V storage of 12V packs.
George E. Cawthon
"TrentŠ" wrote:
>
> On 25 Nov 2003 14:59:38 GMT, tomk...@aol.comic (TOM KAN PA) wrote:
>
> >When I store my cordless drill, should I remove the battery from it, leave it
> >on, or is it six to one, a half dozen to the other.
> >
>
> The battery will loose some of its charge...it DOESN'T loose voltage,
> btw...just by sitting. Removing it from the drill won't stop that
> process. The proper thing to do is keep it in the charger if you
> don't have a spare battery.
Oh Trent! As the battery loses charge, it loses voltage.
It may not tell you the exact amp-hours left, but it pretty
well tells you the state of the charge, i.e, whether it is
90 percent, 80 percent, etc.
>
> And leave WHAT on?
Leave the battery on the tool
>
> And its 'six one way...half dozen the other'.
No it isn't! It's six of one and half a dozen of the other.
>
> Wishing you and yours a happy Thanksgiving season...
Same to you.
>
> Trent
tn...@mucks.net
>Forty percent of full charge puts it below 1V per cell,
>which will result in a good chance that the weak cell will
>reverse polarity. That will kill the pack or lead to early
>death.
>For example, a 12V pack that measures 13.2V at full charge
>will measure 5.28V at 40% charge, which is extreme.
I didn't say 40% of its voltage. I said 40% of it's full charge.
For a typical 10 cell 12v NiCad that would be around 9.5v.
> I just
>checked two pack and one read 13.05 and one read 13.11 after
>sitting for at least 10 days. My packs don't lose enough
>voltage to require a charge more often than once every 30-45
>days. That is constant topping off. In any case, topping
>off isn't destructive, it's overcharging
>
>Topping off the battery, if you mean charging to its full
>capacity but no more, isn't going to ruin a battery. In
>fact, that is exactly what the best chargers do. And not
>using/discharging it won't ruin it quickly either. Not
>using it does ruin batteries if you mean leaving it alone
>because when internal discharge goes below 1V per cell, a
>cell is likely to reverse polarity. All of my reading and
>my limited experience of nicads (about 10 years) indicate
>that overcharging and deep discharging (anything below 8V
>for a 12V pack) are the main culprits for ruining battery
>packs. I've found that individual AA cells used in walkman
>type tape machines that discharge to about 1.25 V and then
>are removed and continue to discharge to less than 1 volt
>have very short lifetimes and successful recharge cycles.
>Good luck with your 5.28V storage of 12V packs.
First off AA cells for Walkmans are probably NiMh cells.
NiCads are different. I'l quote a statement on NiCad
battery care for a Skil cordless drill...............
"If you anticipate long periods of (i.e. a month of more)
of non use of your tool, it is best to run your tool down
until its fully discharged before storing your battery pack."
"
Lawrence Wasserman
>
>Forty percent of full charge puts it below 1V per cell,
>which will result in a good chance that the weak cell will
>reverse polarity. That will kill the pack or lead to early
>death.
>For example, a 12V pack that measures 13.2V at full charge
>will measure 5.28V at 40% charge, which is extreme. I just
>checked two pack and one read 13.05 and one read 13.11 after
>sitting for at least 10 days. My packs don't lose enough
>voltage to require a charge more often than once every 30-45
>days. That is constant topping off. In any case, topping
>off isn't destructive, it's overcharging
40% of the voltage is not the same as 40% charged. The voltage of
nicads (or any other battery I've ever heard of. for that matter) does
not decrease linearly with % of charge.
--
Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland
lwas...@charm.net
George E. Cawthon
ratio is for nicads. Based on what you said 10 cells and
9.5V, that's less than 1v per cell.
George E. Cawthon
You're right, I haven't seen a chart of voltage vs. charge
for nicads.
Paula
I have a rigid cordless drill with a lithium ion battery instructions say
remove battery for storing hope that helps
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> replying to Joe Bobst, Paula wrote:
> I have a rigid cordless drill with a lithium ion battery instructions say
> remove battery for storing hope that helps
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> You're too late! FIFTEEN YEARS AGO after Joe Bobst made the post, he died
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>
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