OT: Biden lying about taking your guns

[T]

Hi All,

One of the Big Lies going around is that Biden will
not take you guns. The web it full of their -- Ha
Ha -- Fact checkers stating that Trump is the one
lying about Biden

Here is the truth: Biden on his own web site:

https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/

:'(

-T

[gfre...@aol.com]

I am amused by his idea to regulate semi autos like machine guns (NFA
weapons). There are exactly 175,977 transferrable machine guns in the
US according to ATF. (the registry in 1986 when the number was
frozen). There are easily 10 million guns here Joe and Diane would
call "assault weapons", maybe more than 50 million if you say anything
that will take a 11 or bigger magazine. .
Right now that approval process for the few machine guns that are
actually transferred each year takes 6 months to a year. The best it
ever was, it took 14 weeks. How many decades would it take to process
millions of them?
Of course, that ATF "background check" is not any more extensive than
the ones you might get from an employer (some say it is really just
the same NCIS check you get to buy a .22 rifle) but they carry a large
amount of bureaucracy around to make it grind to a halt for months at
a time while it is moving from one file cabinet to another and sitting
there.

Yeah,that's gonna work.

[T]

My Yankee's Fist (1911) can do a lot of damage with
its 8 round magazine. And I can swap them in and out
in less than two seconds.

The worst thing is Biden wants to remove the protection against
misuse lawsuits against the manufacturers. There won't
be a single gun manufacturer left in the country.

[trader_4]

Too bad then that you Trumpets forced Trump upon us. Whatever Biden is or
will do, Trump is ten times worse and Biden is likely going to win.
In the words of John Kelly, one of
"Trump's generals", who was with Trump daily, "he's the most flawed person
I've ever met". I knew that when he announced his run.

[Frank]

Not only will Biden take your guns but he will raise your taxes, cause
unemployment, open the borders, skyrocket gas prices etc.
And, you hate Trump because he is rude like you?

[Snag]

Doncha think that maybe that's their initial goal ?
--
Snag

[angelica...@yahoo.com]

Will he cause dogs and cats sleeping together?

> And, you hate Trump because he is rude like you?

We despise Trump because of his policies. His rudeness is just the
shit-frosting on the shit-cake.

Cindy Hamilton

[trader_4]

On Thursday, October 22, 2020 at 8:46:13 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:

Being rude doesn't even beging to describe Trump's behavior and it's just
one of Trump's many faults and definitely not the most
serious. Even there though, it's curious how Trump is rude with what
should be our allies, eg Germany and Canada, while he's never rude with
Putin or Duterte, is he?

[Frank]

And here I thought it was because he is fat like you.

[Wade Garrett]

Yeah, those horrendous policies alright:

Belief in American exceptionalism, America First, protect the borders,
protect the citizens, support the cops, pro capitalism/anti
socialism/communism, support business and productivity, lower taxes,
eliminate Democrat nanny-state nonsense, support the Constitution,
reduce tensions in the Middle East, etc., etc....

Just awful!

--
Why is it that the people who want more government control over your
life are the same ones who want you to be disarmed?

[Shadow]

On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 18:23:13 -0700, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>Hi All,
>
>One of the Big Lies going around is that Biden will
>not take you guns.

Another is that he will take your guns.
Only congress can do that.
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

[Bob F]

"How do we know the email is authentic?

We do not. The New York Post published PDF printouts of several emails
allegedly taken from the laptop, but for the “smoking-gun” email, it
shows only a photo made the day before the story was posted, according
to Thomas Rid, the author of “Active Measures,” a book on
disinformation. “There is no header information, no metadata.” The
Washington Post has not been able to independently verify or
authenticate these emails, as requests to make the laptop hard drive
available for inspection have not been granted. The New York Post said
it obtained the material from former New York mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani,
a personal lawyer to President Trump.

There also is no indication that Hunter Biden replied to the email.

Moreover, another alleged email published by the New York Post
contradicts the notion that Hunter Biden could influence his father.
“What he will do and say is out of our hands,” Hunter Biden wrote in an
email that the New York Post said was sent April 13, 2014."

"“I was with the vice president in all of his meetings on Ukraine,” said
Michael Carpenter, Biden’s foreign policy adviser in 2015. “He never met
with this guy. In fact, I had never heard of this guy until the New York
Post story broke.”

The New York Post article also cites an email from Pozharskyi to Hunter
Biden saying he was “going to share this information with the US embassy
here in Kyiv, as well as the office of Mr Amos Hochstein in the States.”

“I know for a fact he never contacted me or my office,” said Hochstein,
who at the time worked closely with Biden as special envoy and
coordinator for international energy affairs. “I provided every record
to the Senate investigation, and no mention of this guy was ever made,
no emails, no correspondence. I know almost every player in the energy
sector in Ukraine. I never met this guy.”

Carpenter said that the vice president wouldn’t have had a meeting with
a company executive. “He was the vice president of the United States,”
he said. “He met with prime ministers.”"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/10/14/hunter-bidens-alleged-laptop-an-explainer/

[T]

On 2020-10-22 05:47, Snag wrote:
>> The worst thing is Biden wants to remove the protection against
>> misuse lawsuits against the manufacturers.  There won't
>> be a single gun manufacturer left in the country.

>   Doncha think that maybe that's their initial goal ?

Without any doubt.

Their intention is to leave guns in the hands of only
criminals and the government.

And to protect themselves against the militia when they
finally get around to installing their beloved
Dictatorship of the Proletariat

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 15:09:33 -0300, Shadow <S...@dow.br> wrote:

>On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 18:23:13 -0700, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Hi All,
>>
>>One of the Big Lies going around is that Biden will
>>not take you guns.
>
> Another is that he will take your guns.
> Only congress can do that.
> []'s

It wouldn't be the first unconstitutional EO that came out of the Oval
Office but he is also going to have the house and he might get the
senate. It is a real threat.

[trader_4]

Like the militia that was planning to kidnap the governor of Michigan?
They sure aren't a good example of why people need guns.

[trader_4]

It's not that all of Trump's policy objectives are awful, it's that the
way he tries to achieve most of them is nasty, divisive and destructive.
He winds up not achieving most of them and what he has achieved, the
next president can quickly undo, because it's been by exec order,
not legislation. Some were awful and/or obvious lies, like getting Mexico
to build a wall. Or imposing tariffs that Americans are paying, then
lying to us and falsely claiming that China is paying them. As to
the Constitution, short of using it for toilet paper, Trump has done an excellent job of disrespecting it, as well as the office.

[Muggles]

Those, for the record, are AMERICAN policies that keep us a free nation.

--
Maggie

[trader_4]

Try to keep up. Today the Biden's business partner verified that the email
sent to him about their China business, including that Joe Biden would get
a 10% cut, is authentic. BTW, I didn't see you have any such authenticity
issues when the NY Times claims to have obtained a copy of Trump's tax
returns from who knows where. Neither did the lib media, in perhaps the
most stunning example of media bias yet. How did anyone know if those
returns were genuine or not? But everyone ran that story. This time
the media is not only refusing to run the stories, instead they are doing
everything possible to cover it up.

[Bob F]

They are a great example of the direction trump is taking the USA.

Imagine what clowns like those will do after trump gets fired by the voters.

[Dean Hoffman]

Then there's this. Joe did discuss Hunter's deals with him.
<https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/biden-associate-warned-text-message-dont-mention-joe-biden-involved-face-face-paranoid/>
Hochstein could be telling the truth but maybe he isn't as well
connected as he
thought. So, who to believe.

[Shadow]

So there's hope?
Please Americans, vote wisely....

[T]

Comrade,

Trump is removing government mandates and restrictions.
He is the opposite of a dictator.

You on the other hand ...

[T]

2+

[Grumpy Old White Guy]

The democrats and the BLM have done over 2 billion in damage plus numerous murders and the leftist local governments have done nothing to stop it.

But the mere *threat* of kidnapping a leftist governor and the leftist government springs into action.  Another example of leftard hypocrisy.

--
Biden's
Laptop
Matters

[T]

He also can't tell the difference between the militia
spoken of in the second amendment and a bunch of wacko
with guns. American Pravda does calls any group of
wacko "militia". The do the same thing with "Assault
Rifles". It is part of changing the language.

There is no swifter route to the corruption of
thought than through the corruption of language
-- George Orwell

[Shadow]

On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 16:38:44 -0700, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 2020-10-22 15:06, Bob F wrote:
>> On 10/22/2020 2:37 PM, trader_4 wrote:
>>> On Thursday, October 22, 2020 at 3:37:50 PM UTC-4, T wrote:
>>>> On 2020-10-22 05:47, Snag wrote:

>>>>>> TheáworstáthingáisáBidenáwantsátoáremoveátheáprotectionáagainst
>>>>>> misuseálawsuitsáagainstátheámanufacturers.ááThereáwon't
>>>>>> beáaásingleágunámanufactureráleftáinátheácountry.
>>>>
>>>>> á ááDonchaáthinkáthatámaybeáthat'sátheiráinitialágoalá?

>>>>
>>>> Without any doubt.
>>>>
>>>> Their intention is to leave guns in the hands of only
>>>> criminals and the government.
>>>>
>>>> And to protect themselves against the militia when they
>>>> finally get around to installing their beloved
>>>> Dictatorship of the Proletariat
>>>
>>> Like the militia that was planning to kidnap the governor of Michigan?
>>> They sure aren't a good example of why people need guns.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> They are a great example of the direction trump is taking the USA.
>>
>> Imagine what clowns like those will do after trump gets fired by the
>> voters.
>>
>>
>
>Comrade,

Sorry, I don't understand your native Russian. Please post in
English (Or Portuguese).
TY.

[Shadow]

On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 19:44:18 -0400, Grumpy Old White Guy
<gru...@old-white-guy.network> wrote:

>But the mere *threat* of kidnapping a leftist governor and the leftist government springs into action

That would be a Federal crime. So it would be the trumptard's
government and his police state....
Election have not happened yet, don't project.

[Ed Pawlowski]

BS, how about taking kids away from parents? How about some of the
tariffs hurting farmers? Everything has to be HIS way.

[T]

On 2020-10-22 18:00, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> Comrade,
>>
>> Trump is removing government mandates and restrictions.
>> He is the opposite of a dictator.
>>
>> You on the other hand ...
>>
>>

> BS, how about taking kids away from parents?    Everything has to be HIS way.

Hi Ed,

Lets go over them one at a time:

"how about taking kids away from parents?"

Uhhhh. Law enforcement does this routinely.
It is standard operating procedure. The
children of arrested criminals are turned
over to "Child Protective Services".

And this is especially important with those
criminals being arrested at the border
as HUMAN TRAFFICKING IS INVOLVED and it
is very difficult to tell parents apart
from predators. Here a word about this
from American Pravda?

And any word about these children turn turn
over to verified parents? Any word about the
wonderful, food and medical care they receive?
Does not fit the Narrative you say?

Now your side, deliberately obscured this,
especially American Pradva to try to harm
Trump. AND YOUR SIDE PUT CHILDREN AT RISK
TO DO SO.

And I were ti say "disgusting" it would be
an UNDERSTATEMENT

"How about some of the tariffs hurting farmers?"

Trump is compensating them. No mention from American
Pravda, huh.

A remark the subject. A lot of folks in this
country benefited from one way free trade
with China, SCREWING THE PUBLIC IN THE PROCESS.
Too F***ing bad. Turn around it fair play.
You should not have screwed your neighbors in
the first place.

Trump is doing the right thing trying to force
two way free trade.

"Everything has to be HIS way"

Ed! To quote the last president "Election have
consequences." Too Bad!


Trump is actively dismantling mandates and
regulations that have harmed the people.
That is anti dictatorial.


Now for your side:

The authority of the State was not a product, but
a presupposition. It could not depend on the people,
in fact, the people depended on the State… The
Fascist state, on the other hand, is a popular
state, and, in that sense, a democratic State
par excellence… Every citizen shares a relationship
with the State and is so intimate that the State
exists only in so far as it is made to exist by
the citizen.
--- Orgini e dottrina del fascismo, Rome:
Libreria del Littorio, (1929). Origins
and Doctrine of Fascism, A. James Gregor,
translator and editor, Transaction
Publishers (2003) p. 28

The authority of the State is not subject to
negotiation, or compromise, or to divide its terrain
with other moral or religious principles that
might interfere in consciousness [Obama care].
The authority of the State has force and is true
authority if, within consciousness, it is entirely
unconditioned.
--- Orgini e dottrina del fascismo, Rome: Libreria
del Littorio, (1929). Origins and Doctrine of
Fascism, A. James Gregor, translator and editor,
Transaction Publishers (2003) p. 31


Oh and Gentile mention my side too:

The merit of Fascism was that it courageously and
vigorously opposed itself to the prejudices of
contemporary liberalism—to affirm that the liberty
proposed by liberalism serves neither the people
nor the individual.
---Orgini e dottrina del fascismo, Rome: Libreria
del Littorio, (1929). Origins and Doctrine of
Fascism, A. James Gregor, translator and editor,
Transaction Publishers (2003) p. 31

Oh ya, in those days my side was called Liberals. Your
side stole the label from us.

I have some quotes kicking around were the Fascist think they are the
true Marxists and the Communists are basically idiots.
Half true. Both are idiots, including Marx.

-T

[T]

On 2020-10-22 17:12, Shadow wrote:

>> Comrade,
>
> Sorry, I don't understand your native Russian. Please post in
> English (Or Portuguese).
> TY.
> []'s
>

I thought communists did not have a sense of
humor. Oh well ..,

[T]

On 2020-10-22 17:15, Shadow wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 19:44:18 -0400, Grumpy Old White Guy
> <gru...@old-white-guy.network> wrote:
>
>> But the mere *threat* of kidnapping a leftist governor and the leftist government springs into action
>
> That would be a Federal crime. So it would be the trumptard's
> government and his police state....
> Election have not happened yet, don't project.
> []'s
>

Comrade,

It was the Trump department of justice that
immediate jumped in and protected the nasty
little twit.

-T

[Ed Pawlowski]

Families were taken apart. This is not a domestic situation, this is
not trafficking. Families. Now they have kids and can't find the parents.

> "How about some of the tariffs hurting farmers?"
>
> Trump is compensating them.  No mention from American
> Pravda, huh.
>

No, Trump is not compensating them. The American taxpayer is. You, me,
your tax paying family members are, not Trump

> A remark the subject.  A lot of folks in this
> country benefited from one way free trade
> with China, SCREWING THE PUBLIC IN THE PROCESS.
> Too F***ing bad.  Turn around it fair play.
> You should not have screwed your neighbors in
> the first place.
>
> Trump is doing the right thing trying to force
> two way free trade.
>

So now we pay more but the balance has not changed.

>
> "Everything has to be HIS way"
>
> Ed!  To quote the last president "Election have
> consequences."  Too Bad!
>

But they can be good ones.

> Oh ya, in those days my side was called Liberals.  Your
> side stole the label from us.

My side is centrist conservative.

>
> I have some quotes kicking around were the Fascist think they are the
> true Marxists and the Communists are basically idiots.
> Half true.  Both are idiots, including Marx.
>
> -T
>

That we can agree on

[rbowman]

On 10/22/2020 12:09 PM, Shadow wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 18:23:13 -0700, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> One of the Big Lies going around is that Biden will
>> not take you guns.
>
> Another is that he will take your guns.
> Only congress can do that.
> []'s
>

Which is why it is imperative to prevent the Democrats controlling both
the Congress and the presidency. I shudder to think what Biden, Pelosi,
and Schumer could wreak.

[Bob F]

You had better get ready soon.

[Bob F]

The taxpayers paid the tariffs, then they pay the farmers. trump paid $750

[T]

On 2020-10-22 19:12, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> Families were taken apart.  This is not a domestic situation, this is
> not trafficking.  Families.  Now they have kids and can't find the parents.
>

Bull shit Ed. They were only seperated until their
actual families could be verified.

[T]

Oh Comrade,

Have you stocked up on Kleenex? Make sure
you drink lots of water to replace your tears.

[Dean Hoffman]

Which will be a shame if it really happens. There's too much room
for mischief if both chambers of Congress and the Presidency are in the
same party's hands. It doesn't matter which party.

[Ed Pawlowski]

I guess you did not listen to the news tonight.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/parents-545-kids-separated-border-found-aclu/story?id=73748152

[Jim Joyce]

On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 21:52:49 -0500, Dean Hoffman <deanh...@clod.com>
wrote:

I agree, but the two parties tend to do different kinds of damage.
Personally, I'm up to here with the Republican kind of damage and I'm
willing to see some Democrat kind of damage to balance things out.

[gfre...@aol.com]

We will be protected from attacks on the constitution by The SCOTUS
via Marbury v Madison.

[Jim.Joyce]

On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 19:26:15 -0700, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 2020-10-22 19:12, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> Families were taken apart.  This is not a domestic situation, this is
>> not trafficking.  Families.  Now they have kids and can't find the parents.
>>
>
>Bull shit Ed.

No, Ed was exactly right.

> They were only seperated until their
>actual families could be verified.

According to AG Jeff Sessions, they were separated to send a signal to
others who were heading north toward our southern border. Approach our
border at your own risk.

Jeff Sessions: Parents and Children Illegally Crossing the Border Will Be
Separated
https://time.com/5268572/jeff-sessions-illegal-border-separated/

‘We Need to Take Away Children,’ No Matter How Young, Justice Dept.
Officials Said
<https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/06/us/politics/family-separation-border-immigration-jeff-sessions-rod-rosenstein.html>

[T]

I do not listen to American Pravda. Their political
agenda disgusts me.

Do you want to summarize for me?

[Peeler]

On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 20:12:31 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

>
> Which is why it is imperative to prevent the Democrats controlling both
> the Congress and the presidency. I shudder to think what Biden, Pelosi,
> and Schumer could wreak.

What IS imperative is to prevent senile gossiping washerwomen, such as you
are, from taking over Usenet for good, lowbrowwomen! <BG>

[Dean Hoffman]

The other side of the story:
<https://pjmedia.com/election/matt-margolis/2020/10/22/trump-asks-who-built-the-cages-joe-heres-the-answer-biden-and-obama-did-n1079384>

The short version is at least some of the kids are snuck into the
U.S. by so called
coyotes. I guess it's supposed to be a way to get them into the U.S.
The cages were built long before Trump.
Anyhow, read the link and see what you think.

[Roger Blake]

On 2020-10-23, Jim Joyce <no...@none.invalid> wrote:
> I agree, but the two parties tend to do different kinds of damage.
> Personally, I'm up to here with the Republican kind of damage and I'm
> willing to see some Democrat kind of damage to balance things out.

We've already seen the DemocRAT kind of damage play out in other places such
as Venezuela and the Soviet Union. Thanks, but no thanks.

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[Frank]

On 10/23/2020 8:07 AM, Roger Blake wrote:
> On 2020-10-23, Jim Joyce <no...@none.invalid> wrote:
>> I agree, but the two parties tend to do different kinds of damage.
>> Personally, I'm up to here with the Republican kind of damage and I'm
>> willing to see some Democrat kind of damage to balance things out.
>
> We've already seen the DemocRAT kind of damage play out in other places such
> as Venezuela and the Soviet Union. Thanks, but no thanks.
>

I would like to know the specific individualized damage caused to Jim
and his cohorts.

[rbowman]

On 10/22/2020 10:16 PM, Jim.Joyce wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 19:26:15 -0700, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2020-10-22 19:12, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> Families were taken apart. This is not a domestic situation, this is
>>> not trafficking. Families. Now they have kids and can't find the parents.
>>>
>> Bull shit Ed.
> No, Ed was exactly right.
>
>> They were only seperated until their
>> actual families could be verified.
> According to AG Jeff Sessions, they were separated to send a signal to
> others who were heading north toward our southern border. Approach our
> border at your own risk.

Excellent idea! If Biden wins catering trucks will serve enchiladas and
cerveza to anyone crossing the border illegally.

[Frank]

Isn't nice the people like Jim worry more about illegals than they do
about the people living here legally.

[rbowman]

His tender sensibilities are impacted.

[trader_4]

That was another big Trump lie last night. He again lied and claimed
that China is paying the tariffs he imposed, when it's Americans.
Sadly, there too Biden didn't do a very good job of responding, he
should have nailed him on that one, that either he's a liar or else
incredibly ignorant of how tariffs work.

[angelica...@yahoo.com]

On Thursday, October 22, 2020 at 9:55:13 PM UTC-4, T wrote:

> "How about some of the tariffs hurting farmers?"
> Trump is compensating them. No mention from American
> Pravda, huh.

*Trump* isn't compensating the farmers, you driveling idiot.
American taxpayers are compensating them.

The farmers would rather be selling their soybeans in China
than taking Welfare from the U.S. government.

Cindy Hamilton

[trader_4]

On Thursday, October 22, 2020 at 9:55:13 PM UTC-4, T wrote:

> On 2020-10-22 18:00, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> Comrade,
> >>
> >> Trump is removing government mandates and restrictions.
> >> He is the opposite of a dictator.
> >>
> >> You on the other hand ...
> >>
> >>
> > BS, how about taking kids away from parents?    Everything has to be HIS way.
>
> Hi Ed,
>
> Lets go over them one at a time:
>
> "how about taking kids away from parents?"
>
> Uhhhh. Law enforcement does this routinely.
> It is standard operating procedure. The
> children of arrested criminals are turned
> over to "Child Protective Services".

Do cops do that for a traffic ticket? The crime here is illegally
entering the US, not robbery. And in the US when the cops arrest
someone, in the vast majority of cases, there is another parent,
a relative that takes the kids, so they are rarely separated from
both parents or relatives. Some of these people also have not
entered illegally at all, they entered seeking asylum. Can you
show us 535 kids separated from their parents by cops in the US,
where we can't find the parents?

>
> And this is especially important with those
> criminals being arrested at the border
> as HUMAN TRAFFICKING IS INVOLVED

That's mostly a big whopping Trumptard lie.

and it
> is very difficult to tell parents apart
> from predators. Here a word about this
> from American Pravda?
>
> And any word about these children turn turn
> over to verified parents? Any word about the
> wonderful, food and medical care they receive?
> Does not fit the Narrative you say?
>
> Now your side, deliberately obscured this,
> especially American Pradva to try to harm
> Trump. AND YOUR SIDE PUT CHILDREN AT RISK
> TO DO SO.
>
> And I were ti say "disgusting" it would be
> an UNDERSTATEMENT

What's disgusting is that so many Americans still support the xenophobic
racist that launched his campaign by smearing Mexican crossing the border
as a bunch of rapists and bad people, not like you and you, while pointing
to his white audience. And it only got worse, much worse from there.
Need I mention Charlottesville, where Trump said there were very fine
people at a violent rally, organized by white supremacists, attended by
the KKK, David Duke and Nazis?

>
>
> "How about some of the tariffs hurting farmers?"
>
> Trump is compensating them. No mention from American
> Pravda, huh.

The $32 bil was handed out early on, it didn't come close to compensating
farmers for their losses. And that compensation didn't come from Trump,
it came from the pockets of all Americans who are the ones paying his
tariffs. And what do we have to show for it? Has he fixed the trade
deficit with China? Trump said tariffs are good and trade wars are
easy to win. Yet no victory is in sight.

>
> A remark the subject. A lot of folks in this
> country benefited from one way free trade
> with China, SCREWING THE PUBLIC IN THE PROCESS.
> Too F***ing bad. Turn around it fair play.
> You should not have screwed your neighbors in
> the first place.

And now we're better off? China was screwing the public by the public
being able to buy low cost goods?

>
> Trump is doing the right thing trying to force
> two way free trade.

Except of course that like with just about everything else, all we have
to show for what he's done is a big shit storm, few positive results
and Americans paying tariffs.

>
>
> "Everything has to be HIS way"
>
> Ed! To quote the last president "Election have
> consequences." Too Bad!
>
>
> Trump is actively dismantling mandates and
> regulations that have harmed the people.
> That is anti dictatorial.
>
>

Mostly a myth. I saw a restaurant owner that supports Trump saying this.
I'd like to know what mandate and regulations that affect his business
he thinks Trump removed.




> Now for your side:
>

Ed's side I think is like mine. We want truth, honesty, professionalism,
a leader who unites not divides and won't tolerate a lying, nasty,
divisive shyster. Trump told one lie after another last night:

We've turned the corner on Covid

A vaccine is coming in weeks

China is paying the tariffs

I have a wonderful new healthcare plan. (He's been telling that lie for
5 years now, no one has ever even seen this plan)

[Jim Joyce]

I merely corrected a bit of BS from T so I'm not sure how you jumped from
there to somehow knowing what "people like Jim" worry about.

I guess "people like Frank" don't worry about reading comprehension.

[Peeler]

On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 07:46:46 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,

troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


>

> Excellent idea! If Biden wins catering trucks will serve enchiladas and
> cerveza to anyone crossing the border illegally.

Are you sure, senile hayseed? Senilely sure? <BG>

[Peeler]

On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 07:48:53 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,

troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

>>> We've already seen the DemocRAT kind of damage play out in other
>>> places such
>>> as Venezuela and the Soviet Union. Thanks, but no thanks.
>>>
>> I would like to know the specific individualized damage caused to Jim
>> and his cohorts.
>
> His tender sensibilities are impacted.

You don't sometimes yourself feel that you ARE a typical blathering and
gossiping washerwoman, lowbrowwoman? <G>

[gfre...@aol.com]

If the answer wasn't in his prep notes, he didn't have it.

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 07:21:46 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
<tra...@optonline.net> wrote:

>On Thursday, October 22, 2020 at 9:55:13 PM UTC-4, T wrote:
>> On 2020-10-22 18:00, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >> Comrade,
>> >>
>> >> Trump is removing government mandates and restrictions.
>> >> He is the opposite of a dictator.
>> >>
>> >> You on the other hand ...
>> >>
>> >>
>> > BS, how about taking kids away from parents?    Everything has to be HIS way.
>>
>> Hi Ed,
>>
>> Lets go over them one at a time:
>>
>> "how about taking kids away from parents?"
>>
>> Uhhhh. Law enforcement does this routinely.
>> It is standard operating procedure. The
>> children of arrested criminals are turned
>> over to "Child Protective Services".
>
>Do cops do that for a traffic ticket? The crime here is illegally
>entering the US, not robbery. And in the US when the cops arrest
>someone, in the vast majority of cases, there is another parent,
>a relative that takes the kids, so they are rarely separated from
>both parents or relatives. Some of these people also have not
>entered illegally at all, they entered seeking asylum. Can you
>show us 535 kids separated from their parents by cops in the US,
>where we can't find the parents?

The cops would separate you from your kids when they took you to jail
for not having a have a valid driver's license. That is probably as
close as you get to being here undocumented.
As for not being able to find the parents, US citizens are
"documented" so it is easier to match them up with their kids.

[Bob F]

[Bob F]

On 10/23/2020 3:50 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:

But the cages were only used for up to 36 hour holding. Not months like
trump did it.

[Bob F]

Wasn't it nice when US authorities actually obeyed US law.

[Bob F]

We pay the tariffs, and we pay the farmers. 2 for 1 !!

[Bob F]

trumps clowns NEVER documented what they did so they would be able to
reconnect families. Too much trouble.

[Frank]

Because I asked you elsewhere. Tell us how Trump has been personally
bad to you.

[Frank]

And, all you do is bitch and never involve in group discussion.

[angelica...@yahoo.com]

On Friday, October 23, 2020 at 11:40:21 AM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:

> On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 06:59:17 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote:

> >Sadly, there too Biden didn't do a very good job of responding, he
> >should have nailed him on that one, that either he's a liar or else
> >incredibly ignorant of how tariffs work.
> If the answer wasn't in his prep notes, he didn't have it.

Honestly, I'd rather have a guy who views life as an "open book" test over
one who goes with his gut.

Where does Trump stick his head in order to listen to his gut?

Cindy Hamilton

[Peeler]

On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 13:26:01 -0400, REAL dumb Frankie Boi blathered again:

> And, all you do is bitch and never involve in group discussion.

No, thanks. I'm not interested in the absolutey off topic sick senile shit
that you troll-feeding, endlessly blathering, senile IDIOTS enjoy so much!
<BG>

[Frank]

Fine with me if all you want to do is irritate people in this newsgroup.

Some might, "Get a life." Maybe, this is your life.

[Peeler]

On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 14:16:52 -0400, REAL dumb Frankie Boi blathered again:

>> No, thanks. I'm not interested in the absolutey off topic sick senile shit
>> that you troll-feeding, endlessly blathering, senile IDIOTS enjoy so much!
>> <BG>
>>
>
> Fine with me if all you want to do is irritate people in this newsgroup.
>
> Some might, "Get a life." Maybe, this is your life.

Man, you are REALLY, REALLY dumb! LOL

[gfre...@aol.com]

How did ICE become "trump's clowns". They are US Civil Service. They
were here before Trump and they will be here long after Trump.

If you want to start a conversation about the incompetence of a lot of
USCS employees, I'm in.

I also dispute the idea that ICE/INS ever did anything in 36 hours.
There were people rotting in detention on Krome Avenue decades before
Trump. Occasionally they would have the catch and release policy until
they had to admit they lost a few million, then it was back to lock
them up until you could ship them out.

[gfre...@aol.com]

I understand the sentiment but do you really want a president who
doesn't know his policy until someone writes it down and hands it to
him?
I am not saying Trump's way is better, just, perhaps, that they are
booth too flawed to be in the white house. I didn't vote for either of
them.

[Bob F]

LOL! Exactly.

[Bob F]

Not for the kids.

[angelica...@yahoo.com]

On Friday, October 23, 2020 at 3:00:05 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 10:27:51 -0700 (PDT), "angelica...@yahoo.com"
> <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, October 23, 2020 at 11:40:21 AM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> >> On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 06:59:17 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote:
> >
> >> >Sadly, there too Biden didn't do a very good job of responding, he
> >> >should have nailed him on that one, that either he's a liar or else
> >> >incredibly ignorant of how tariffs work.
> >> If the answer wasn't in his prep notes, he didn't have it.
> >
> >Honestly, I'd rather have a guy who views life as an "open book" test over
> >one who goes with his gut.
> >
> >Where does Trump stick his head in order to listen to his gut?
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
> I understand the sentiment but do you really want a president who
> doesn't know his policy until someone writes it down and hands it to
> him?

Do you know that he didn't write it down himself? If I were going to
be in a debate, I definitely would bring notes with me, and refer to
them before speaking.

Cindy Hamilton

[T]

Ya Comrade, the cages were all open under Trump. They
were at the facilities because Biden/Obama put them
there, but hey were never used under Trump. The kids
were treated very well indeed.

And Comrade, Trump was protecting the them from human traffickers, Once
family, including relativse were
located, the kids were released to them.

But you don't care a wit about the children do you.
You only care about harming Trump. Disgusting.

[gfre...@aol.com]

Where do you think they went? Disneyland?

[Wade Garrett]

On 10/22/20 5:48 PM, Muggles wrote:
> On 10/22/2020 12:22 PM, Wade Garrett wrote:
>> On 10/22/20 10:00 AM, angelica...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On Thursday, October 22, 2020 at 8:46:13 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
>>>> On 10/21/2020 8:59 PM, trader_4 wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, October 20, 2020 at 9:23:19 PM UTC-4, T wrote:
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of the Big Lies going around is that Biden will
>>>>>> not take you guns. The web it full of their -- Ha
>>>>>> Ha -- Fact checkers stating that Trump is the one
>>>>>> lying about Biden
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is the truth: Biden on his own web site:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :'(
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -T
>>>>>
>>>>> Too bad then that you Trumpets forced Trump upon us. Whatever Biden
>>>>> is or
>>>>> will do, Trump is ten times worse and Biden is likely going to win.
>>>>> In the words of John Kelly, one of
>>>>> "Trump's generals", who was with Trump daily, "he's the most flawed
>>>>> person
>>>>> I've ever met". I knew that when he announced his run.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Not only will Biden take your guns but he will raise your taxes, cause
>>>> unemployment, open the borders, skyrocket gas prices etc.
>>>
>>> Will he cause dogs and cats sleeping together?
>>>
>>>> And, you hate Trump because he is rude like you?
>>>
>>> We despise Trump because of his policies.  His rudeness is just the
>>> shit-frosting on the shit-cake.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>> Yeah, those horrendous policies alright:
>>
>> Belief in American exceptionalism, America First, protect the borders,
>> protect the citizens, support the cops, pro capitalism/anti
>> socialism/communism, support business and productivity, lower taxes,
>> eliminate Democrat nanny-state nonsense, support the Constitution,
>> reduce tensions in the Middle East, etc., etc....
>>
>> Just awful!
>>
>
> Those, for the record, are AMERICAN policies that keep us a free nation.
>
They are....but the Obama/Biden administration was vehemently opposed to
and which Mr Biden and Ms Harris will gut if elected- not to mention
going after your guns!

--
Why is it that the people who want more government control over your
life are the same ones who want you to be disarmed?

[rbowman]

I've had the asshole filtered out for ages. Unfortunately you respond to
the attention seeking piece of crap and I see the threead.

[rbowman]

On 10/23/2020 07:48 AM, Frank wrote:
> On 10/23/2020 9:46 AM, rbowman wrote:
>> On 10/22/2020 10:16 PM, Jim.Joyce wrote:

>>> On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 19:26:15 -0700, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2020-10-22 19:12, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>> Families were taken apart. This is not a domestic situation, this is
>>>>> not trafficking. Families. Now they have kids and can't find the
>>>>> parents.
>>>>>
>>>> Bull shit Ed.

>>> No, Ed was exactly right.
>>>

>>>> They were only seperated until their
>>>> actual families could be verified.

>>> According to AG Jeff Sessions, they were separated to send a signal to
>>> others who were heading north toward our southern border. Approach our
>>> border at your own risk.
>>
>> Excellent idea! If Biden wins catering trucks will serve enchiladas
>> and cerveza to anyone crossing the border illegally.
>
> Isn't nice the people like Jim worry more about illegals than they do
> about the people living here legally.

Perhas he is trying to atone for the sin of being an entitled white cis
male. Assuming he is any of the above that is.

[rbowman]

On 10/23/2020 08:08 AM, angelica...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Thursday, October 22, 2020 at 9:55:13 PM UTC-4, T wrote:
>

>> "How about some of the tariffs hurting farmers?"
>> Trump is compensating them. No mention from American
>> Pravda, huh.
>
> *Trump* isn't compensating the farmers, you driveling idiot.
> American taxpayers are compensating them.
>
> The farmers would rather be selling their soybeans in China
> than taking Welfare from the U.S. government.

If they didn't listen to the US government they wouldn't be planting soy
in the first place.

[rbowman]

If he did he should have spent more time on his homework. There's a
problem when the WaPo fact checker awards you four pinochios.

[rbowman]

https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/texas/children-human-smuggler-us-mexico-border-patrol/285-8e735c84-b041-4b62-892d-bbabbeafd311


https://www.newsbreak.com/texas/brownsville/news/2087112287649/human-smugglers-abandon-2-children-on-island-in-texas-border-river

Makes you wonder where the loving parents are...

[Dean Hoffman]

Beans do have a couple pluses for crop rotation. They loosen the
ground
and leave some nitrogen behind. Beans were more profitable than corn if
their price was something like 2 1/2 times the corn price long ago. I
don't know
if that's still true.

[Frank]

Sorry. I had filtered all the group assholes and was then seeing very
little so took the block off all. He will respond to this but after I
type it will make an exception and filter him.

[Bob F]

Are you really this ignorant?

In a 2019 video uploaded by international nonprofit organization, The
Aspen Institute, Obama’s Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson
confirmed that while the cages were not created by Trump, they were
meant to house people for only up to 72 hours before they are
transferred to the care of the Department of Health and Human Services
(HHS).

“Under the law, once they’re apprehended by the border patrol, within 72
hours we have to transfer unaccompanied children to HHS. And HHS then
puts them into shelter and they find placement for them somewhere in the
United States,” Johnson said."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/kids-in-cages-debate-trump-obama/2020/10/23/8ff96f3c-1532-11eb-82af-864652063d61_story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/kids-in-cages-debate-trump-obama/2020/10/23/8ff96f3c-1532-11eb-82af-864652063d61_story.html

[rbowman]

That was the math the people were doing when I passed through the
mid-west last year. A lot of the fields were too wet to work and time
was running out. Try corn, plant beans, or let it lie fallow and collect
the insurance.

They are good for the soil but soy was a marginal crop until the USDA
started promoting it and finding new things to do with the beans. I like
beans and cook quite a few varieties. I tried soybeans once and that was
enough of that. The tofu slurpers can have them.

They're like dent corn; that stuff isn't edible either without a lot of
processing. Butz wanted cheap food for the masses and he got it. His
'get big or get out' program means the remaining 'farmers' look more
like Trump than Mr. Green Jeans.

More people, more food, more money. For somebody.

[rbowman]

Yeah, it's cute. T-Bird say '247 new headers' and after the filters work
their magic I see about 50.

I do keep micky around for lols though.

[Jim Joyce]

Where? Give me the MID and I'll take a look.

>Tell us how Trump has been personally bad to you.

You first.

[Jim Joyce]

Through new policies enacted via Presidential Executive Orders and by
placing "Acting" agency heads that are completely unqualified for the
position, unless you count the single qualification that they kiss Trump's
svelte ass on command.

I may have misused the word svelte.

>They are US Civil Service. They
>were here before Trump and they will be here long after Trump.

Agreed. The next President will quickly rescind the stupid and divisive
EO's and get us back to some semblance of sanity.

[T]

Leftist live in a state of deciet and lies. And they
do not care the damage they cause to these children
with their lies and propaganda as long as it hurts Trump

[Peeler]

On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 17:49:05 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

>
> https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/texas/children-human-smuggler-us-mexico-border-patrol/285-8e735c84-b041-4b62-892d-bbabbeafd311
>
> https://www.newsbreak.com/texas/brownsville/news/2087112287649/human-smugglers-abandon-2-children-on-island-in-texas-border-river
>
> Makes you wonder where the loving parents are...

Your endless idiotic and senile gossiping on these groups makes me wonder
where your caring children, grandchildren and great grandchildren are, you
useless ridiculous senile Trumptard!

[Peeler]

On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 17:34:40 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,

troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

>

> Perhas he is trying to atone for the sin of being an entitled white cis
> male. Assuming he is any of the above that is.

Has ahr become the playground of endlessly bullshitting and prattling,
tottering Trumptards or what? LMAO

[Peeler]

On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 17:39:08 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,

troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

>

> If they didn't listen to the US government they wouldn't be planting soy
> in the first place.

What has this shit got to do with ahr, you trolling senile Trumptard?

[Peeler]

On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 19:04:31 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,

troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> That was the math the people were doing

The only math that people need to do on ahr is that ahr is infested with a
bunch of trolling, always off-topic, senile Trumptards such as yourself,
lowbrowwoman!

[Peeler]

On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 17:42:05 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,

troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

>> Do you know that he didn't write it down himself? If I were going to
>> be in a debate, I definitely would bring notes with me, and refer to
>> them before speaking.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>
> If he did he should have spent more time on his homework. There's a
> problem when the WaPo fact checker awards you four pinochios.

There's just nothing as alluring to a Trumptard like you as when Trump
spouts off, off the cuff, all the shit that has accumulated in his rather
unevolved brain. Eh, Trumptard? <BG>

[Peeler]

On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 17:29:55 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,

troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> I've had the asshole filtered out for ages. Unfortunately you respond to
> the attention seeking piece of crap and I see the threead.

Yeah, that's what ALL you seniles ALWAYS say! LOL Unfortunately for you, you
scum are so full of yourselves that you MUST follow ANYTHING I write because
even you twisted creeps still feel that I'm writing nothing but the TRUTH!
<BG>

[Peeler]

On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 20:02:10 -0400, REAL dumb Frankie Boi blathered again:

>> I've had the asshole filtered out for ages. Unfortunately you respond to
>> the attention seeking piece of crap and I see the threead.
>
> Sorry. I had filtered all the group assholes and was then seeing very
> little so took the block off all. He will respond to this but after I
> type it will make an exception and filter him.

ONLY in your ridiculous senile head, REAL DUMB Frankie Boi! Remember how
OFTEN you had already claimed that you had "killfiled" me! LMAO

[Peeler]

On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 19:07:12 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,

troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> Yeah, it's cute. T-Bird say '247 new headers' and after the filters work
> their magic I see about 50.
>
> I do keep micky around for lols though.

Your senile bluff won't help you a BIT, lowbrowwoman! Just stick around and
you will see! <EG>

[angelica...@yahoo.com]

What would they be planting?

Seems like selling soybeans to a billion Chinese is an obvious move.

Cindy Hamilton

[angelica...@yahoo.com]

Really? I like young soybeans steamed and salted. Of course, that's
not an option for billions of tons of product. I also like tofu once in
a while. It's my go-to protein at Asian restaurants if I think
"chicken" means "thigh" rather than "breast".

Soybean oil is huge. The residue can be used for animal feed.

Cindy Hamilton