Need plumbing push on-off supply valve help

[shellyf...@hotmail.com]

http://s1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb360/shelf1/

The above pix shows a similar water supply valve under my kitchen
sink, which driips near the crimp.
I would like to replace the hose and crimp: is there a way to do this?
Do I have to replace the entire valve assembly with hose by cutting
the supply pipe closer to the wall?
Can it be recrimped?

Assistance requested and appreciated. tia

[Mikepier]

What's coming out of the wall, PVC?

[tra...@optonline.net]

Good question. I've never seen a push/pull valve
like that on a toilet before.

Before doing anything, exactly where is it leaking?
Since she's concerned with the hose/crimp, sounds
like it's leaking there. If so, first thing I'd try is to get
a stainless steel hose clamp, take off the old clamp,
and replace it. That might be all that is needed.

[shellyf...@hotmail.com]

Yes

[shellyf...@hotmail.com]

The same valve is on the kitchen water inlets, all bathroom sinks, and
toile, throughout the house.
It is leaking at the end of the crimp.
The old clamp will not come off!
Sumter County, FL: almost all homes have this same arrangement.

[shellyf...@hotmail.com]

Looks like this is the valve:
http://www.accortechnology.com/flowtite.html

[DanG]

Shelly, I don't recognize the brand, but it looks like one of the newer
push on fittings. Shark bite and other brands have a way to remove a
fitting that didn't grab correctly.

See if this brand looks right. There is a tool for removing shown when
you click on demounting:
http://hep2o.wavin.com/Hep2o/Installation.html

It may be worth contacting a local plumber to ask what brand fittings
are used and where they buy them.

--


___________________________________

Keep the whole world singing . . .
Dan G

[tra...@optonline.net]

On Dec 2, 8:08 pm, shellyf_DELE...@hotmail.com wrote:

Looks like you have a choice. Either convert to a conventional
stop valve by gluing on an adaptor or get another one of the
existing ones. How you get the existing widget off, I don't know.
But if you can't there's enough pipe there so you could just cut
it off.

[DanG]

Great find. That sure looks like the right one. Removable and
reusable. The literature does say that it can be removed by turning in
counterclockwise.

Labor and material guaranteed for 10 years. Shelly should probably
contact the company, she may have a plumber coming for free. May well
be worth looking into.

[Oren]

You stated the pipe was PVC. The valve in your link is for CPVC / PEX
/ Copper. If that is the correct valve that you have, just replace it
with a Sharkbite angle stop 1/4 turn valve.

<http://www.sharkbite.com/usa/en/product/push-fit-products/supply-stops-a-fittings>

Home Depot carries them. They don't work on PVC though.

[Ron]

shellyf...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 19:23:19 -0500, shellyf...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> http://s1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb360/shelf1/
>>
>> The above pix shows a similar water supply valve under my kitchen

>> sink, which drips near the crimp.

>> I would like to replace the hose and crimp: is there a way to do
>> this? Do I have to replace the entire valve assembly with hose by
>> cutting the supply pipe closer to the wall?
>> Can it be recrimped?
>>
>> Assistance requested and appreciated. tia
>
> Looks like this is the valve:
> http://www.accortechnology.com/flowtite.html

It appears that the type of valve and supply hose that you have is a single
unit, and the supply hose (with the crimp) is factory installed. That means
that you cannot take off the hose or crimped part where you said it is
leaking.

I found this link with some info on what you have:
http://www.accortechnology.com/4ALLSpec_PVC.pdf

The valve itself is supposed to be removable (the supply hose would come off
with the valve). Someone here wrote that the valve can be removed by
turning it counterclockwise. I have not found that anywhere, but maybe that
is correct.

Since you said that other homes in your area have the same thing, maybe they
sell them in plumbing supply places or hardware stores in your area. You
could also try calling the manufacturer to find out where you can buy them
in your area. And, the manufacturer should be able to tell you how to
release and remove the valve (and hose assembly) from the CPVC pipe.

If you shut off the water supply, then take the supply hose off where it
connects to the sink, and then can remove the valve, you can bring the whole
thing with you to buy a replacement assembly.

Or, if you cannot get the valve off (or can't find anywhere that tells you
how to get it off), maybe you could just use a hacksaw or whatever to cut
the CPVC pipe right below the valve and get the whole assembly off that way.
And, if you cannot find a regular replacement for the whole assembly, just
bring it all with you to a Home Depot, Lowes, a hardware store, or whatever
and they'll be able to hook you up with what you need to do the replacement
with more standard materials. They'll sell you a valve and a separate
supply hose that screws onto the valve. You can either glue the new valve
on to the remaining piece of CPVC pipe, or they may have a valve or adapter
etc. that uses a push-on type of technology.

Good luck.

[Ron]

Ron wrote:

> It appears that the type of valve and supply hose that you have is a
> single unit, and the supply hose (with the crimp) is factory
> installed. That means that you cannot take off the hose or crimped
> part where you said it is leaking.
>
> I found this link with some info on what you have:
> http://www.accortechnology.com/4ALLSpec_PVC.pdf
>

P.S. Here's a link that shows how to contact the manufacturer:

http://www.accortechnology.com/contactUs.html .

I think they will be bale to tell you how to get the old one off, where to
get a new one, and as someone else suggested, they may even be able to send
a new one to you (maybe for free, maybe not).

[Vic Smith]

On Sat, 3 Dec 2011 14:40:25 -0500, "Ron" <R...@kjhgfghj.jkh> wrote:


>
>Or, if you cannot get the valve off (or can't find anywhere that tells you
>how to get it off), maybe you could just use a hacksaw or whatever to cut
>the CPVC pipe right below the valve and get the whole assembly off that way.
>And, if you cannot find a regular replacement for the whole assembly, just
>bring it all with you to a Home Depot, Lowes, a hardware store, or whatever
>and they'll be able to hook you up with what you need to do the replacement
>with more standard materials. They'll sell you a valve and a separate
>supply hose that screws onto the valve. You can either glue the new valve
>on to the remaining piece of CPVC pipe, or they may have a valve or adapter
>etc. that uses a push-on type of technology.
>
>Good luck.
>

He should decide if the removal tool is worth the cost.
And check to see if all the installed valves have clearance for the
disengager.
I can see where that could be a problem if the installer didn't
account for that.
Can't say whether that valve setup is a good idea.
I have clip disengage tools for GM fuel injection lines, and those
lines don't leak, and new clips are cheap if you break one.
But as you say, he has the option of going different ways.
Depends on cost/hassle factor.

--Vic

[willshak]

shellyf...@hotmail.com wrote the following:

The valve and supply line is a single unit. The text below is from
http://www.floorstransformed.com/uploadedfiles/ceramic-tile-forum/2005/removing-a-flowtite-valve-18548.html


1. Shut off your house water at the mainline.

2. Disconnect the nut end of the connector first. This is the chrome nut
that attaches to the faucet (me = or toilet tank). It should only be
hand tight, but some installers will wrench them on. A 6 or 8 inch
adjustable wrench will work fine. For the toilet it's the large white
plastic nut connected to the toilet tank.

3. Rotate the valve on the pipe counter-clockwise with a slight pull
while turning.

4. After about 6 or 8 twists, the valve should turn itself completely
off of the pipe.

5. When the valve is removed, you'll see about a half inch of the pipe
tip will have these spiral scars. They look almost like a fine pipe
thread. They're not. They're caused by the gripping teeth inside the
valve when the valve is rotated.
This is the important part. When you go to re-install your valves (they
are re-usable if there is no damage to the O-ring inside), cut-away the
scarred portion of the pipe. If you can't, then just smooth the pipe
surface with emery cloth or a fine sand paper before re-installing your
valve.

6. Push the valve back onto the pipe with a slight turn of the wrist a
full 1 and one-quarter inches. It works well to measure and mark the
pipe. Try and avoid "screwing" the valve onto the pipe. Just push it on
with a slight turn of the wrist to the 1-1/4" mark.


--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

[shellyf...@hotmail.com]

On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 19:23:19 -0500, shellyf...@hotmail.com wrote:

Thanks everybody. Happy Holidays.

[Oren]

On Sun, 04 Dec 2011 21:00:59 -0500, shellyf...@hotmail.com wrote:

>On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 19:23:19 -0500, shellyf...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>Thanks everybody. Happy Holidays.

Why not say _Merry Christmas_? I wouldn't be offended if you did.

Let us know how you fix the leak.

[Stormin Mormon]

'Twas the night before the non denominational politicaly correct non
specific winter holiday',
when all through the house,
Not a creature was stirring, not even a disease ridden rodent;
The stockings were hung by the chimney with care,
In hopes that a seasonal character soon would be there;
The children were nestled all snug in their non lead base painted beds,
While visions of sugarfree non fat-plums danced in their heads;
And mamma in her 'kerchief, and I in my cap,
Had just settled down for a long winter's nap,

When out on the lawn there arose such a clatter,
I sprang from the bed to see who was violating the 10PM noise ordinance.
Away to the window I flew like a flash,
Tore open the shutters and threw up the sash.

The moon on the crest of the new-fallen snow
Gave the luster of mid-day to objects below,
When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
But a non polluting green vehicle, and eight size challenged reindeer,

With a little old driver, so lively and quick,
I knew in a moment it must be the seasonal character.
More rapid than eagles his coursers they came,
And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name:

"Now, DASHER! now, DANCER! now, PRANCER and VIXEN!
On, COMET! on CUPID! on, DONDER and BLITZEN!
To the top of the porch! to the top of the wall!
Now dash away! dash away! dash away all!"

"As dry leaves that before the wild hurricane fly,
When they meet with an obstacle, mount to the sky,
So up to the house-top the coursers they flew,
With the sleigh full of toys, and the seasonal character too.

And then, in a twinkling, I heard on the roof
The prancing and pawing of each little hoof.
As I drew in my hand, and was turning around,
Down the chimney the seasonal character came with a bound.

He was dressed all in faux fur, from his head to his foot,
And his clothes were all tarnished with ashes and soot;
A bundle of toys he had flung on his back,
and he looked like a door to door salesman just opening his pack.

His eyes -- how they twinkled! his dimples how merry!
His cheeks were like roses, his nose like a cherry!
His droll little mouth was drawn up like a bow,
And the beard of his chin was as white as the snow;

The stump of a pipe he held tight in his teeth,
And no smoke from it did flow due to nonsmoking ordinances;
He had a broad face and a little round belly,
That shook, when he laughed like a bowl full of jelly.

He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old elf,
And I laughed when I saw him, in spite of myself;
A wink of his eye and a twist of his head,
Soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread;

He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work,
And filled all the stockings; then turned with a jerk,
Laying his finger aside of his nose,
And giving a nod, up the chimney he rose;

He sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle,
And away they all flew like the down of a thistle.
But I heard him exclaim, as he drove out of sight,
"HAPPY nondenominational politically correct nonspecific winter holiday TO
ALL, AND TO ALL A GOOD-NIGHT."

WHAT KIND OF COMMIE CRAP IS THIS???? We all Know its Christmas for Christ
sake! and everyone knows its Santa So lets cut the bull and say Merry
Christmas to all and to all a good night!!!




"Oren" <Or...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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[Stormin Mormon]

Date: Thursday, October 12, 2000 5:58 PM
Subject: Fw: Holiday Party


Sad, but true.

********************************************************
FROM: Pat Lewis, Human Resources Director

TO: Everyone

RE: Christmas Party

DATE: December 1




I'm happy to inform you that the company Christmas Party will take
place
December 23, starting at noon in the banquet room at Luigi's Open Pit
Barbecue.
No-host bar, but plenty of eggnog! We'll have a small band playing
traditional carols . . .feel free to sing along. And don't be
surprised if
our CEO shows up dressed as Santa Claus!

********************************************************

FROM: Pat Lewis, Human Resources Director

TO: Everyone

DATE: December 2

RE: Christmas Party

In no way was yesterday's memo intended to exclude our Jewish
employees.
We recognize that Chanukah is an important holiday that often
coincides
with
Christmas, though unfortunately not this year. However, from now on
we're
calling it our "Holiday Party." The same policy applies to employees
who
are celebrating Kwanzaa at this time. Happy now?

********************************************************

FROM: Pat Lewis, Human Resources Director

TO: Everyone

DATE: December 3

RE: Holiday Party

Regarding the note I received from a member of Alcoholics Anonymous
requesting a non-drinking table . . you didn't sign your name. I'm
happy
to

accommodate this request, but if I put a sign on a table that reads,
"AA
Only"; you wouldn't be anonymous anymore. How am I supposed to handle
this?

Somebody?

**************************************************************

FROM: Pat Lewis, Human Resources Director
TO: Everyone
Date:December 4
Re: Holiday Party
I have just recieved a very polite interoffice memo from the
McKitricks
who, it turns out, are Mormons. Since these fine and upstanding people
have
somethign called a "word of wisdom" which prohibits tea, coffee, and
alcoholic beverages, as well as colas and Mountain Dew, it occurs to
me that
we will change the egnog to milkshakes, and non alcoholic milk shakes
at
that.
This holday party is really shaping up nicely, now. I wonder if our
former CEO might be able to be Santa, he really has a very nice, rich
laugh.

FROM: Pat Lewis, Human Resources Director

TO: Everyone

DATE: December 5

RE: Holiday Party

It has been brought to my attention that certain members of the
"green
party" object to the outdoor pig roast, since the charcoal and oak
fire will
have to be lit with kerosene, and that there is no catalytic converter
or
smoke stack scrubber mounted on the chimney of the grill. We have
checked
with EPA, and found that such older equipment may be grandfathered in,
if
the smoke stack is higher than 20 feet above the prevailing height of
the
neighboring buildings, and if the usage is occasional and
noncommercial.
I took a copy of the reply email to Luigi's last night, and showed
it to him. Luigi showed me his old Naval tattoo (you really should see
how
nicely the colors have remained from his old Navy days. He has a very
handsome anchor, and a lifelike Marilyn Monroe, on his left butt
cheek.
Luigi then demonstrated that he can use Navy language and tone, both
in English and Italian. I sensed that he was unhappy about something.
I
couldn't quite make out what he was saying. His wife kept crying and
holding
his arm, and begging him not to have another heart attack. When I
suggested
that I have the EPA guy come down to the grill to talk with him about
the
smoke stack regulations, his wife picked up very large knife, and
waved it
at me, while pointing to the door. I realized I was missing ER, and so
I
left. I hope he can have the smoke stack modified in time.


FROM: Pat Lewis, Human Resources Director

TO: Everyone

DATE: December 6

RE: Holiday Party

We have been considering having a pork roast, along with the beef
and
kabobs, and plenty of french fries. However, I've been informed that
pork is
not Kosher, and so our fine Jewish members of the company won't be
able to
enjoy this. It also has something about cloven hoofs, though I've
never used
cloves (or left the hoofs on) when I am preparing pork. In any case,
our
fine Muslims won't be able to enjoy this.
I am thinking more along the lines of a buffet style dinner with
something for everyone. Certainly, everyone likes buttered rolls,
french
fries, and tunafish on crackers?

********************************************************

FROM: Pat Lewis, Human Resources Director

TO: Everyone

DATE: December 7

RE: Holiday Party

What a diverse company we are! I had no idea that December 20 begins
the
Muslim holy month of Ramadan, which forbids eating and drinking
during
daylight hours. There goes the party! Seriously, we can appreciate
how
a
luncheon this time of year does not accommodate our Muslim employees'
beliefs. Perhaps Luigi's can hold off on serving your meal until the
end
of

the party. The days are so short this time of year. Or else package
everything for take-home in little foil swans. Will that work?
Meanwhile,
I've arranged for members of Overeaters Anonymous to sit farthest
from
the
dessert buffet and pregnant women will get the table closest to the
rest
rooms. Did I miss anything?

********************************************************

FROM: Pat Lewis, Human Resources Director

TO: Everyone

DATE: December 8

RE: Holiday Party

So December 22 marks the Winter Solstice what do you expect me to do,
a
tap-dance on your heads? Fire regulations at Luigi's prohibit the
burning
of
sage by our "earth-based Goddess-worshipping" employees, but we'll
try
to
accommodate your shamanic drumming circle during the band's breaks.
Okay???

********************************************************

FROM: Pat Lewis, Human Resources Director

TO: Everyone

DATE: December 9

RE: Holiday Party

People, people, nothing sinister was intended by having our CEO dress
up
like
Santa Claus! Even if the anagram of "Santa" does happen to be
"Satan,"
there
is no evil connotation to our own "little man in a red suit." It's a
tradition,
folks, like sugar shock at Halloween or family feuds over the
Thanksgiving
turkey or broken hearts on Valentine's Day. Could we lighten up?

********************************************************

FROM: Pat Lewis, Human Resources Director

TO: Everyone

DATE: December 10

RE: Holiday Party

Vegetarians!?!?!? I've had it with you people!!! We're going to
keep
this

party at Luigi's Open Pit Barbecue whether you like it or not, so you
can
sit
quietly at the table furthest from the "grill of death," as you so
quaintly
put it, and you'll get your #$%^&*! Salad bar, including hydroponic
tomatoes... but you know, they have feelings, too. Tomatoes scream
when
you
slice them. I've heard them scream, I'm hearing them scream right
now!

********************************************************

FROM: Pat Lewis, Human Resources Director

TO: Everyone

DATE: December 12

RE: Holiday Party
I have sadly been informed that the butter on the rolls will affect
several members of our company who are lactose intolerant. We have
made
arrangements with Luigis to serve only corn oil based margarine, which
will
mean that y ou can leave your Lactaid home, you will be in no danger
from
lactose as you drink your milkshakes and eat cheese and crackers.



FROM: Pat Lewis, Human Resources Director

TO: Everyone

DATE: December 13

RE: Holiday Party
I am simply going crazy with this impossible task. I wish all of you
idiots would just simply jump off the tallest building and get it over
with.
Why don't you take your pork roast, corn oil margarine, and non
alcoholic
milk shakes and go to Paris and get out of my life! You have got to be
the
rudest and most intolerant group of people I have ever met. Our CEO is
not
plump and jolly, he is a big fat bowl of lard, and really needs to go
on a
diet. And you people are really making me sick with all your whining
and
complaining. All right, you have had enough pampering, I am going to
serve
alcoholic flaming pork legs with butter and whiskey and coffee, and I
tell
you I am going to serve it at high noon, and without a blessing by any
priest, elder, or rabbi. Anyone who doesn't like this is just going to
have
to tough it out, I am THROUGH with you people. And where did I put my
Extra
Strength Midol, anyway? Who is the pimple faced mealy wormed shit that
hid
my Midol? God, I could just shoot your ass.





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******

FROM: Teri Bishops, Acting Human Resources Director

TO: Everyone

DATE: December 14

RE: Pat Lewis and Holiday Party

I'm sure I speak for all of us in wishing Pat Lewis a speedy recovery
from
her stress-related illness and I'll continue to forward your cards to
her
at
the sanitarium. In the meantime, management has decided to cancel
our
Holiday Party and give everyone the afternoon of the 23rd off with
full
pay.



Jane



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"Oren" <Or...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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[shellyf...@hotmail.com]

AccorTechnology is going to send me a replacement valve; old and new
one are guaranteed for 10 years. House is 5 years young.
I will remove the old one by twisting ccw a quarter turn and pulling
it off.
I will sand down any 'spiral marks' on the cpvc pipe
I will replace by pushing on and turning cw until it reaches a
predetermined distance.
Accortechnology has been extremely cooperative thus far.

[Oren]

On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 20:45:08 -0500, shellyf...@hotmail.com wrote:

>>Let us know how you fix the leak.

>AccorTechnology is going to send me a replacement valve; old and new
>one are guaranteed for 10 years. House is 5 years young.
>I will remove the old one by twisting ccw a quarter turn and pulling
>it off.
>I will sand down any 'spiral marks' on the cpvc pipe
>I will replace by pushing on and turning cw until it reaches a
>predetermined distance.
>Accortechnology has been extremely cooperative thus far.

Thanks. Glad it worked out for you. IIRC you have the same valve under
your kitchen sink, so now you have information for the future. Nice
to see good customer service.

[Ron]

shellyf...@hotmail.com wrote:
> AccorTechnology is going to send me a replacement valve; old and new
> one are guaranteed for 10 years. House is 5 years young.
> I will remove the old one by twisting ccw a quarter turn and pulling
> it off.
> I will sand down any 'spiral marks' on the cpvc pipe
> I will replace by pushing on and turning cw until it reaches a
> predetermined distance.
> Accortechnology has been extremely cooperative thus far.

Wow, that is so cool! Thanks for letting us know how it worked out.

I, for one, learned a few things here. One was about those types of valves
(which I had never seen before) and how they work. And another was that
AccorTechnology honors their warranty and does the right thing in dealing
with their customers and the consumer/end-user.