OT: fake election drop off in CA

[T]

California election officials probing unauthorized ballot drop-off boxes
popping up across state

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/california-unofficial-ballot-drop-off-boxes

One of the comments best sums all this nonsense up:

francisxcarmody467

There will be lots of trouble when Americans no longer
trust election results. So, which system is most likely
to be trusted by voters?

+ Vote-by-Mail, where it would be so easy for Dem
activists to obtain ballots by persuading, coercing'
or buying validly signed ballots from citizens who
are either disinterested, disengaged, desperate or
incapacitated; and where there is simply no way to
ensure that the person who received and signed the
valid ballot is actually the person who checked
the boxes since the ballots are completed inside
the home.

+ Ballot harvesting, where activists can collect
the ballots from their neighbors and "lose" the
ones that they suspect didn’t vote the "right"
way, or "help" their elderly neighbors complete
their ballots, or cajole their disinterested
neighbors into letting them have their ballots.

+Vote in person using ID, where one person enters
a voting booth and pulls the curtain, so it is
almost certain that he or she is the person
who completed the ballot; and where the Poll
Watcher system makes cheating almost infinitely
less likely.

So, which system is more likely to be trusted?

And even the perception that there may have been
cheating is dangerous. What then?

[angelica...@yahoo.com]

On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 3:55:46 PM UTC-4, T wrote:
> California election officials probing unauthorized ballot drop-off boxes
> popping up across state
>
> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/california-unofficial-ballot-drop-off-boxes
>
> One of the comments best sums all this nonsense up:
>
> francisxcarmody467
>
> There will be lots of trouble when Americans no longer
> trust election results. So, which system is most likely
> to be trusted by voters?
>
> + Vote-by-Mail,

Which I have been doing for years. I usually mail my completed
ballot, but this year I dropped it off at the box outside my township
hall.

It's illegal in Michigan to be in possession of someone else's ballot
unless you are an immediate family member or a co-resident of their
domicile.

> +Vote in person using ID, where one person enters
> a voting booth and pulls the curtain,

I haven't seen a curtain in decades. We have rickety
little desks with sides that are about a foot high. I imagine they're
setting them up at least 6 feet apart this year.

Cindy Hamilton

[T]

Cindy,

What you are describing is an absentee ballot. You
specifically requested it. This is not cheat-by-mail.

Dems and Rinos, with the help of American Pravda, have
been trying to blur this distinction. The idea is to
have a contested election that they fear they would
lose otherwise.

-T

[trader_4]

On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 3:55:46 PM UTC-4, T wrote:

I take it that as usual you don't know much about what you're talking about.
Like that it was REPUBLICANS in California that did it. ROFL

[Bob F]

Quick on the draw, but always miss the target.

"California investigates unauthorized ballot boxes installed by
Republicans "


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/12/republicans-election-2020-unauthorized-ballot-boxes

[rbowman]

On 10/12/2020 02:18 PM, angelica...@yahoo.com wrote:
> It's illegal in Michigan to be in possession of someone else's ballot
> unless you are an immediate family member or a co-resident of their
> domicile.

I think homicide is illegal in Michigan too but that doesn't slow them
down in Detroit.

[T]

Comrade! I do not care who is doing it. The mechanism
needs to be shut down and the honesty of our electoral
system needs to be restored.

[rbowman]

On 10/12/2020 08:22 PM, T wrote:
>
> Comrade! I do not care who is doing it. The mechanism
> needs to be shut down and the honesty of our electoral
> system needs to be restored.

Our electoral system is beyond repair I'm afraid. I read an article by a
Russian today. While living in Russia she had been concerned with the
validity of the elections and volunteered as a poll watcher. She went in
expecting to uncover all sorts of manipulations but came away convinced
that Putin got 64% of the vote completely honestly. The problem was the
choice was Putin the head of the dying Communist party and two other
also rans.

Democracy doesn't work well when the choice is between Bad and Worse,
both of which were selected by the oligarchs.

[kelown]

>>> California election officials probing unauthorized ballot drop-off boxes
>>> popping up across state
>>>
>>> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/california-unofficial-ballot-drop-off-boxes

> "California investigates unauthorized ballot boxes installed by
> Republicans "

> https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/12/republicans-election-2020-unauthorized-ballot-boxes

About a month ago an anonymous poster in the Chicago reddit forum
offered to take people's mail-in ballots to the post office in his car.
Readers were quickly warned against the possible fraud and the anonymous
poster has never been seen since. The republicans are definitely out to
steal the vote again, with more obvious and desperate measures this time.

[Bob F]

It has long been the only way they can win, with the one exception of
the Supreme Court scam. They are really trying to stack the court for
that one again.

[%%]

"rbowman" <bow...@montana.com> wrote in message
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Putin wasn’t selected by the oligarchs, he selected
himself and killed or jailed or exiled his opposition.

[rbowman]

I was not necessarily talking about Russia.

[T]

Kelown,

Here is a great way to restore the integrity of our electoral process:

+Vote in person using ID, where one person enters
a voting booth and pulls the curtain, so it is
almost certain that he or she is the person
who completed the ballot; and where the Poll
Watcher system makes cheating almost infinitely
less likely.

Or we could all stick our fingers in an ink well as
they do in Iraq.

What are you afraid of. You might lose by larger landslides?

[%%]

"rbowman" <bow...@montana.com> wrote in message

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> On 10/12/2020 09:51 PM, %% wrote:
>>
>>
>> "rbowman" <bow...@montana.com> wrote in message
>> news:huki7o...@mid.individual.net...
>>> On 10/12/2020 08:22 PM, T wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Comrade! I do not care who is doing it. The mechanism
>>>> needs to be shut down and the honesty of our electoral
>>>> system needs to be restored.
>>>
>>> Our electoral system is beyond repair I'm afraid. I read an article by
>>> a Russian today. While living in Russia she had been concerned with
>>> the validity of the elections and volunteered as a poll watcher. She
>>> went in expecting to uncover all sorts of manipulations but came away
>>> convinced that Putin got 64% of the vote completely honestly. The
>>> problem was the choice was Putin the head of the dying Communist party
>>> and two other also rans.

>>> Democracy doesn't work well when the choice is between Bad and

>>> Worse,both of which were selected by the oligarchs.

>> Putin wasn’t selected by the oligarchs, he selected
>> himself and killed or jailed or exiled his opposition.

> I was not necessarily talking about Russia.

Nowhere else do oligarchs decide who the voters get to vote for anymore.

[ZZyXX]

not just republicans but the California RNC. it will be interesting when
the RNC is tried for conspiracy and they get a RICO case against them.
it could go all the way up to donald as he is the leader of the
republican party

[angelica...@yahoo.com]

Let's talk about the states that have only vote by mail, shall we?

They send ballots to every registered voter and have negligible
voter fraud.

I looks like the unauthorized California drop boxes were the Republicans
committing election fraud. Again.

Cindy Hamilton

[manboobs]

The dems can burn and loot and murder but they're afraid to go to the polls and vote in person.  LOL

[Bob F]

trump is the one preparing to contest the election. Because he KNOWS
that he is going to lose it HUGE.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/05/trump-is-preparing-to-contest-any-election-loss.html

[trader_4]

I've been trying to figure out how election night is going to go, what we
will know and won't know, like are votes by mail being tallied up ahead
or will they wait until election day? It varies by state. Appears that
because Trump discouraged Republicans from voting by mail, there could
be what's being called a red mirage. That's where on election night, the
polling place votes come in quickly and it's biased for Republicans.
Then the mail in votes get tallied and it goes the other way. You and
I know that if that happens, Trump will be claiming it's because of fraud.

The reality is Trump's ranting about mail-in voting has screwed him.
Democrat ballots are pouring in two or three to one over Republican ones.
The Democrats will have their votes in the bag, Trump and the Republicans
have to hope their voters will show up on election day to vote. Plenty
might just decide to punt.

[Bob F]

At the same time that trump is whining about mail in votes and claiming
it is ripe for fraud, the Repubs are contacting Repub voters telling
them that voting by mail is completely safe For them in their states.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/trump-republicans-vote-mail-arizona-florida/612625/

[%%]

"Bob F" <bobn...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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He actually knows that it’s the only thing that might
save his bacon now. Going to be fascinating to watch.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Depends on who you ask. The US is on the list too.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/oligarchy-countries
While oligarchies have a reputation for being tyrannical and oppressive,
many governments around the world use some form of oligarchy
successfully. This includes appointing representatives to determine
national policy, which can be seen in the United States. Oligarchy
becomes tyrannical and/or oppressive when there is a limitation in the
separation of powers and when the rule of law is violated.

[%%]

"Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.xxx> wrote in message
news:W3mhH.128368$MQ.1...@fx14.iad...

> On 10/13/2020 12:41 AM, %% wrote:
>>
>>
>> "rbowman" <bow...@montana.com> wrote in message
>> news:hukp40...@mid.individual.net...
>>> On 10/12/2020 09:51 PM, %% wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "rbowman" <bow...@montana.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:huki7o...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> On 10/12/2020 08:22 PM, T wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Comrade! I do not care who is doing it. The mechanism
>>>>>> needs to be shut down and the honesty of our electoral
>>>>>> system needs to be restored.
>>>>>
>>>>> Our electoral system is beyond repair I'm afraid. I read an article by
>>>>> a Russian today. While living in Russia she had been concerned with
>>>>> the validity of the elections and volunteered as a poll watcher. She
>>>>> went in expecting to uncover all sorts of manipulations but came away
>>>>> convinced that Putin got 64% of the vote completely honestly. The
>>>>> problem was the choice was Putin the head of the dying Communist party
>>>>> and two other also rans.
>>
>>>>> Democracy doesn't work well when the choice is between Bad and
>>>>> Worse,both of which were selected by the oligarchs.
>>
>>>> Putin wasn’t selected by the oligarchs, he selected
>>>> himself and killed or jailed or exiled his opposition.
>>
>>> I was not necessarily talking about Russia.
>>
>> Nowhere else do oligarchs decide who the voters get to vote for anymore.
>
> Depends on who you ask. The US is on the list too.

Only for the fools that wouldn’t have a fucking clue what
a real oligarch was if one bit them on their lard arse.

Yes, you can certainly claim that the 'founding fathers'
were oligarchs and did have quite a bit of say on
who the voters got to vote for, that hasn’t been
how US politics has been done for centuries now.

Yes, there has been much more recent successful
manipulation of who the voters get to vote for but
its silly to claim that individuals like Boss Tweed etc
were oligarchs and that certainly isnt who determined
who say dems got to vote for in this current election.

And while JKF's dad was certainly an oligarch,
that’s not how the voters got to vote for him.

Yes, the more rabid dems and even Sanders got binned
very effectively and so the dem voters only got to vote
for Biden if they wanted to vote dem, but that wasn’t
done by oligarchs, it was done by the political machine.

And it wasn’t even the political machine that delivered
Trump to vote for last time, it was in fact the vast number
of voters in the primaries who decided that it was worth
trying a non politician because they were so pissed off
about what professional politicians had delivered for them.

Its silly to claim that the likes of Bannon are oligarchs and
there isnt any evidence that the Koch brothers etc had any real
effect on who the voters got to vote for in the actual election.

> https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/oligarchy-countries
> While oligarchies have a reputation for being tyrannical and oppressive,
> many governments around the world use some form of oligarchy successfully.
> This includes appointing representatives to determine national policy,
> which can be seen in the United States.

That’s bullshit. The Tea Party fools weren't done by oligarchs.
Neither was Trump, or Hitlary.

> igarchy becomes tyrannical and/or oppressive when there is a limitation

> the separation of powers and when the rule of law is violated.

And that just doesn’t happen in the modern first world anymore.

It isn't even that common in the second world like Brazil and Argentina etc.

[ZZyXX]

donald keeps yelling "voter fraud" because he knows that eventually
someone is going to be able to prove that he won in Florida,
Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan by voter fraud

[angelica...@yahoo.com]

Nine states are sending ballots to every registered voter. Five of these have been doing that for years.
California, Nevada, New Jersey, Vermont and Washington, D.C. are sending ballots to every registered
voter for the first time this year.

No matter whether it's vote by mail or vote in person, what do you think the outcome will be in any of
those places, apart from Nevada?

<https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/voting-by-mail-9-states-send-ballots-automatically-35-allow-covid-19-as-an-excuse-6-require-other-reason>

You have your panties in a twist because you like it that way.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bob F]

Good of the Repuglicans to make a problem where it has never existed
before. That is their goal, because they don't want every voter to vote
and get their vote counted. Never have, never will.

Stated quite clearly here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GBAsFwPglw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAgTZSJ4jo8

[T]

Hi Cindy,

The experience of the rest of the world is that they have banned
cheat-by-mail do to the excessive amount of fraud
involved.

https://trendingpolitics.com/mail-in-ballots-so-ripe-for-fraud-that-even-europeans-ban-them/

https://www.independentsentinel.com/most-countries-of-the-world-ban-mail-in-voting-due-to-fraud-vote-buying/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/developed-countries-ban-mail-in-voting-us-would-be-laughing-stock-report

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/08/most_of_europe_bans_mailin_ballots_over_high_risk_of_fraud_study.html


And on and on and on and on and so forth.

Why is it you don't want a fair election that everyone can agree on the
results? Afraid you are going to lose?


-T

[T]

Comrade! Why is it you don't want a fair election that everyone can

[gfre...@aol.com]

Sounds like the "Sore Loserman" plan in 2000.

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Tue, 13 Oct 2020 13:46:41 -0700 (PDT), "angelica...@yahoo.com"
<angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Nine states are sending ballots to every registered voter. Five of these have been doing that for years.
>California, Nevada, New Jersey, Vermont and Washington, D.C. are sending ballots to every registered
>voter for the first time this year.

I see this as just being another "voter suppression" debacle. A lot of
those people will throw away the ballot they got in the mail, or just
lose it, then show up at the polls to vote. (assuming they didn't mail
it in and forget).
There will be video of people being turned away or told to fill out
provisional ballots that they will bitch about then swear they were
denied their vote.

Of the whole lot, Nevada may be the only one in play anyhow.

[%%]

"T" <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:rm56fr$bmr$1...@dont-email.me...

> The experience of the rest of the world is that they have banned
> cheat-by-mail do to the excessive amount of fraud involved.

That’s a bare faced lie. None of the current
first world has banned absentee voting by mail.

[Ed Pawlowski]

We are not the rest of the world. Mail voting has been quite common in
the US and works well. Trump is the one afraid of losing and he is busy
casting doubt. My ballot is in the mail, same as last election.

[Grumpy Old White Guy]

The democrat party has always been the party of election fraud.

https://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2020/04/15/tucker-carlson-exposes-democrat-voter-fraud-then-and-now/

--
Demolitioncrats are destroying America!

[Liar liar, pants on fire]

The Republicans don't want the democrats to vote more than once.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-dem-mayoral-candidate-charged-with-voter-fraud-after-allegedly-applying-for-84-mail-in-ballots/ar-BB19YrTV

The democrats are *always* trying to cheat.  LOL

[Ed Pawlowski]

Get a grip man. He talks about Orange county ballot harvesting but the
Repubs are doing that right now.

He mentions dead people voting. He does not know who they voted for and
this was in person, just like the Repubs want.

Voting by mail may stop some of this nonsense. It works well in many
states for years.

[T]

Ed,

Right or wrong, we clearly think you cheat, as you do
us. Ballot Harvesting and Cheat-by-Mail are two stellar examples.

This would fix the issue for EVERYONE involved. Neither
one of could accuse each other of cheating.

+Vote in person using ID, where one person enters
a voting booth and pulls the curtain, so it is
almost certain that he or she is the person
who completed the ballot; and where the Poll
Watcher system makes cheating almost infinitely
less likely.

How about it? This would fix the issue. Neither one
of our sides could bitch.

-T

[T]

So basically, if the rest of the world has learned that
cheat-by-mail is full of cheating and fraud, we should
ignore their experiences and just keep doing what everyone
with any common sense knows is rife with fraud?

Is not the definition of insanity repeating the same mistakes
over and over and expecting different results?

[%%]

"T" <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:rm5ji0$g0d$1...@dont-email.me...

Nope because plenty have no current photo
ID and plenty cant actually show up in person
at the polling booth on the day.

> Neither one of could accuse each other of cheating.

Wrong, as always.

> +Vote in person using ID, where one person enters
> a voting booth and pulls the curtain, so it is
> almost certain that he or she is the person
> who completed the ballot; and where the Poll
> Watcher system makes cheating almost infinitely
> less likely.
>
> How about it? This would fix the issue.

Nope, see above.

> Neither one of our sides could bitch.

They still would, that some of those that would
vote for them have been disenfranchised.

[Bob F]

And the Repuglicons have automated the process

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/12/us/politics/california-gop-drop-boxes.html

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 10/13/2020 9:22 PM, T wrote:

>>>
>>
>> We are not the rest of the world.  Mail voting has been quite common
>> in the US and works well.  Trump is the one afraid of losing and he is
>> busy casting doubt.  My ballot is in the mail, same as last election.
>
> So basically, if the rest of the world has learned that
> cheat-by-mail is full of cheating and fraud, we should
> ignore their experiences and just keep doing what everyone
> with any common sense knows is rife with fraud?
>
> Is not the definition of insanity repeating the same mistakes
> over and over and expecting different results?
>

You seem to be an intelligent person but somehow don't see the
difference. Next to tiny Switzerland, the US mail system is the best in
the world. Our voting system has checks to eliminate fraud, duplicate
ballots and forgery. Have you no faith in American technology and know-how?

Of course, Trump appointed Dejoy to fuck up the USPS right before the
election but he is losing.

[%%]

"Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.xxx> wrote in message

news:v3uhH.362885$7vd.2...@fx35.iad...

> On 10/13/2020 9:22 PM, T wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>
>>> We are not the rest of the world. Mail voting has been quite common in
>>> the US and works well. Trump is the one afraid of losing and he is busy
>>> casting doubt. My ballot is in the mail, same as last election.
>>
>> So basically, if the rest of the world has learned that
>> cheat-by-mail is full of cheating and fraud, we should
>> ignore their experiences and just keep doing what everyone
>> with any common sense knows is rife with fraud?
>>
>> Is not the definition of insanity repeating the same mistakes
>> over and over and expecting different results?

> You seem to be an intelligent person but somehow don't see the difference.

> Next to tiny Switzerland, the US mail system is the best in the world.

Bullshit.

? Our voting system has checks to eliminate fraud,

> duplicate ballots and forgery. Have you no faith in American technology
> and know-how?

Not when the only real check is a signature.

[T]

Hi Ed,

We all are getting cheat-by-mail ballots here in my
neighborhood. And the talk is all about getting
everyone else's too. This is not the post office's
doing. All the checks in the world will to stop
the cheating.

We need a system everyone can agree on that is fraud
proof. Show up, show your I.D., vote your own ballot.

The fact that your side fights against this demonstrates
to our side that you plan on cheating.

-T

[%%]

"T" <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:rm5vf2$6oj$1...@dont-email.me...

> On 2020-10-13 20:15, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 10/13/2020 9:22 PM, T wrote:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We are not the rest of the world. Mail voting has been quite common in
>>>> the US and works well. Trump is the one afraid of losing and he is
>>>> busy casting doubt. My ballot is in the mail, same as last election.
>>>
>>> So basically, if the rest of the world has learned that
>>> cheat-by-mail is full of cheating and fraud, we should
>>> ignore their experiences and just keep doing what everyone
>>> with any common sense knows is rife with fraud?
>>>
>>> Is not the definition of insanity repeating the same mistakes
>>> over and over and expecting different results?
>>>
>>
>> You seem to be an intelligent person but somehow don't see the
>> difference. Next to tiny Switzerland, the US mail system is the best in
>> the world. Our voting system has checks to eliminate fraud, duplicate
>> ballots and forgery. Have you no faith in American technology and
>> know-how?
>>
>> Of course, Trump appointed Dejoy to fuck up the USPS right before the
>> election but he is losing.

> We all are getting cheat-by-mail ballots here in my
> neighborhood. And the talk is all about getting
> everyone else's too. This is not the post office's
> doing. All the checks in the world will to stop
> the cheating.

> We need a system everyone can agree on that is fraud proof.

Not even possible on both counts.

> Show up, show your I.D., vote your own ballot.

Pity that plenty cant show up in person
and plenty more don’t have photo ID,

> The fact that your side fights against this demonstrates
> to our side that you plan on cheating.

Nope, that they have enough of a clue
to realise that your approach isnt viable.

[rbowman]

No.

[Peeler]

On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 16:12:09 +1100, %%, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

>> We need a system everyone can agree on that is fraud proof.
>
> Not even possible on both counts.
>
>> Show up, show your I.D., vote your own ballot.
>
> Pity that plenty cant show up in person
> and plenty more don’t have photo ID,
>
>> The fact that your side fights against this demonstrates
>> to our side that you plan on cheating.
>
> Nope, that they have enough of a clue
> to realise that your approach isnt viable.

In auto-contradicting mode again, you clinically insane auto-contradicting
senile pest from Oz?

--
"Who or What is Rod Speed?

Rod Speed is an entirely modern phenomenon. Essentially, Rod Speed
is an insecure and worthless individual who has discovered he can
enhance his own self-esteem in his own eyes by playing "the big, hard
man" on the InterNet."
https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/rod-speed-faq.2973853/

[tax-pay-er]

On 10/14/20 12:40 AM, T wrote:
> The fact that your side fights against this demonstrates
> to our side that you plan on cheating.
>
> -T
>

Exactly!  There's a rat in every democrat.

[angelica...@yahoo.com]

I see the president is suborning election fraud again.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bod]

The UK allows postal voting, as does Sweden/Switzerland. In Estonia you
can vote by internet.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 10/14/2020 6:49 AM, angelica...@yahoo.com wrote:

>>>> Why is it you don't want a fair election that everyone can agree on the results? Afraid you are going to lose?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -T
>>>>
>>>
>>> We are not the rest of the world. Mail voting has been quite common in the US and works well. Trump is the one afraid of losing and he is busy casting doubt. My ballot is in the mail, same as last election.
>> The democrat party has always been the party of election fraud.
>>
>> https://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2020/04/15/tucker-carlson-exposes-democrat-voter-fraud-then-and-now/
>
> I see the president is suborning election fraud again.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

Of course, that is his way out. He wants to lose but still wants to go
out a hero. His ego will not let him quit but he is tired of being
President and working. When he loses the election he will say fraud and
walk away. His supporters will agree and continue to worship him.

[trader_4]

If fraud is so prevalent, why can't you Republicans ever find any significant
amount of it, levels that are significant enough to really matter? Trump
appointed Pence and his commission to go find his alleged 3 mil fraudulent
votes in the 2016 election. After less than a year they folded up their
tent and quit, having found nothing. I'm in favor of voting in person and
with ID, but I also don't believe the fraud is anywhere near the levels
that Trump and you Trumpets claim it to be. Trump again is leveling reckless
accusations, just like he has with everything from the Central Park Five,
where he called for the death penalty for young men who were later proven
innocent to Obama not being born in the USA. This time Trump is portraying
the US as having corrupt, bogus elections like some third world country
run by one of the dictators he admires. He;s doing it to try to have an
excuse for his upcoming election loss. Sadly you Trumpets just eat up his
endless stream of lies and diversion in his endless focus on himself.

>
> Is not the definition of insanity repeating the same mistakes
> over and over and expecting different results?

Sure, but then why do you still support Trump?

[%%]

"Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.xxx> wrote in message

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> On 10/14/2020 6:49 AM, angelica...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>>>> Why is it you don't want a fair election that everyone can agree on
>>>>> the results? Afraid you are going to lose?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -T
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We are not the rest of the world. Mail voting has been quite common in
>>>> the US and works well. Trump is the one afraid of losing and he is busy
>>>> casting doubt. My ballot is in the mail, same as last election.
>>> The democrat party has always been the party of election fraud.
>>>
>>> https://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2020/04/15/tucker-carlson-exposes-democrat-voter-fraud-then-and-now/
>>
>> I see the president is suborning election fraud again.

> Of course, that is his way out. He wants to lose

I doubt that.

> but still wants to go out a hero.

Yes,. *IF* he loses.

> His ego will not let him quit but he is tired of being President and
> working.

Don’t believe that.

> When he loses the election he will say fraud and walk away.

*IF* he loses.

> His supporters will agree and continue to worship him.

But will be stuck with Biden.

[Peeler]

On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 04:13:43 +1100, %%, better known as cantankerous

trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

<FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest trollshit unread>

04:13 in Australia??? Trolling time already, you clinically insane senile
troll from Oz? <BG>

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[Ed Pawlowski]

On 10/14/2020 1:13 PM, %% wrote:
>
>
> "Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.xxx> wrote in message

>> When he loses the election he will say fraud and walk away.
>
> *IF* he loses.
>
>> His supporters will agree and continue to worship him.
>
> But will be stuck with Biden.

I still think *when* but agree being stuck with Biden. Sad that we
cannot have better candidates from either party. They both suck, IMO.

[Bob F]

Excellent! You have the decades long Repuglicon talking point down
perfectly.

[%%]

"Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.xxx> wrote in message

news:knHhH.595681$eN2.2...@fx47.iad...

> On 10/14/2020 1:13 PM, %% wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.xxx> wrote in message
>
>>> When he loses the election he will say fraud and walk away.
>>
>> *IF* he loses.
>>
>>> His supporters will agree and continue to worship him.
>>
>> But will be stuck with Biden.
>
> I still think *when*

Its not that black and white given that he may still
be able to rev up his supporters to get off their lard
arses and actually vote in the states that matter.

There is no evidence that many who voted for
him the last time will be voting for Biden now.

> but agree being stuck with Biden. Sad that we cannot have better
> candidates from either party.

Its not surprising that the repugs couldn’t dump
Trump or that the dems ensured that the radical
end of the dems didn’t get to be their candidate.

> They both suck, IMO.

Yep, but the real problem is that no one with any
sense would want to be prez, The system is broken.

[Peeler]

On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 06:44:02 +1100, %%, better known as cantankerous

trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

>>

>> I still think *when*
>
> Its not that black and white given that he may still
> be able to rev up his supporters to get off their lard
> arses and actually vote in the states that matter.
>
> There is no evidence that many who voted for
> him the last time will be voting for Biden now.

Now ALSO an "expert" in American politics, you clinically insane trolling
senile ASSHOLE from Oz? LOL

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"You are now exposed as a liar, as well as an ignorant troll."
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[rbowman]

Biden has one thing going for him. He's not Camel Harris.

[rbowman]

On 10/14/2020 01:44 PM, %% wrote:
> Its not that black and white given that he may still
> be able to rev up his supporters to get off their lard
> arses and actually vote in the states that matter.

Supposedly new Republican registrations are outdistancing Democratic
ones. Even before now quite a few mail in ballots were rejected because
they weren't signed, were filled in incorrectly, or submitted late.
There's some hope that if anyone is going to fuck up a mail in ballot it
will be a Biden voter.

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 20:10:15 -0600, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
wrote:

One advantage of mailing them in early is you have a chance to fix
them.