OT: Electric cars actually burn fossil fuels

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Commander Kinsey

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Jun 19, 2022, 5:50:54 AMJun 19
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I can't believe this. In a forum, I cannot convince someone of this very simple logic:

Any addition to the power load is going to add fossil fuel consumption, as we already use all the wind and solar that can be generated. Imagine the electric cars we currently have went away, what would change in electricity generation? They'd have to generate less. They'd switch off some fossil fuel power stations, they certainly wouldn't turn off the cheaper to run solar and wind! Therefore the electric cars we currently have are burning fossil fuels!

Brian

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Jun 19, 2022, 6:33:23 AMJun 19
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Jethro_uk <jeth...@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
> environmentalists were at the back of the queue for brains as far as I
> can see. Which will be a self limiting problem in the long term.
>

They are simply useful idiots being used by people determined to wreck our
economy.

Commander Kinsey

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Jun 19, 2022, 6:33:24 AMJun 19
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 11:23:17 +0100, Jethro_uk <jeth...@hotmailbin.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 10:50:44 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>
> environmentalists were at the back of the queue for brains as far as I
> can see. Which will be a self limiting problem in the long term.

If they want to make everything green, the first thing they should have done is invest in huge amounts of renewables, THEN add more load to the grid with cars once they have that in place.

Anyway at current prices, there's no way I'm coughing up my money to go electric, those cars cost a fortune.

Commander Kinsey

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Jun 19, 2022, 6:34:41 AMJun 19
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It's already wrecked, at this rate we'll be using exercise bicycles to generate electricity.

Jack Harry Teesdale

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Jun 19, 2022, 6:48:23 AMJun 19
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As a matter of conjecture, that is only true for EV's charged in the
daytime.

EV's charged overnight are less likely to cause fossil fuels to be
burned due to the lower demand at that time of day and more likely to be
supplied within the nuclear base load generation, for now at least.

Commander Kinsey

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Jun 19, 2022, 6:55:15 AMJun 19
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The nuclear generation is always active. I looked at the UK national grid meters in the middle of the night, and saw a fair amount of gas being used. Take away the EVs, that gas would be switched off. The demand is surprisingly even, comparing winter/summer and day/night and weekday/weekend. https://gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

T

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Jun 19, 2022, 7:13:57 AMJun 19
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That is why their other name is "Coal Powered Rolling
Fire Bombs"

Paul

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Jun 19, 2022, 7:20:57 AMJun 19
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On 6/19/2022 5:50 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> I can't believe this.  In a forum, I cannot convince someone of this very simple logic:
>
> Any addition to the power load is going to add fossil fuel consumption, as we already use all the wind and solar that can be generated.  Imagine the electric cars we currently have went away, what would change in electricity generation? They'd have to generate less. They'd switch off some fossil fuel power stations, they certainly wouldn't turn off the cheaper to run solar and wind! Therefore the electric cars we currently have are burning fossil fuels!

I know logic is not your strong suit, but the deal is,
not everything in life is "synchronized for your delight".

Technical developments occur independently of one another.

Some areas of our society are backward, and can't keep up (power gen).
We have to improve there.

BEVs mean nothing to me, because I cannot afford one.

But that does not mean I don't think they are essential
to the future.

*******

A disturbing trend here, is our ICE fleet is "going backwards".
The government stopped enforcing pollution controls. Nobody
checks the emissions of cars.

When I drive a bicycle on the street now, I can *smell the petrol*.
That's not supposed to happen. The invention of the three-way
catalytic converter and stoichiometric combustion was
supposed to stop that. All that is supposed to come out of
a warmed-up car, is CO2 and H2O. The CO, the NOx, the VOC,
is supposed to drop to close to zero.

With no one to enforce these rules any more here (tards in
the wheelhouse, so to speak), people just do whatever the
fuck they feel like. Cut off the cat, put in a straight pipe.
No one to enforce noise ordinances. Back when there were
yearly inspections, a tech could put the car on a hoist
and spot a missing cat.

And then we look at the pathetic lines painted on the road.

If we can smell petrol at street level, that means we're
violating our VOC rules. Then, on the other hand, local
government sez "we can't use good paint on the street
lines because of these VOC rules". Well, if the street
is to smell of petrol all the time, why the fuck can't
we have oil based paints again ? Come on, let your
hair down and paint us some lines.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/road-line-paint-ottawa-1.4783641
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/b-c-s-fading-road-markings-causing-concerns-1.1212091

*******

The invention of the BEV, means you *cannot cheat*.
You cannot cut the catalytic converter off and insert
a straight pipe. You cannot insert an electronic box to
fool the pollution control system. Because the vehicle at
street level, does not have petrol on board.

That is worth something.

Smog in Mumbai
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQk24IAX4AEPE4v?format=jpg&name=900x900

Smog in Beijing
https://grist.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/beijing-smog-1.jpg

Smog in Los Angeles (1975)
https://miro.medium.com/max/1400/1*Y2Ev0QaEDbZeRIFPi7Qy3A.jpeg

Smog in London
https://static.standard.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2012/03/16/12/London%20smog.gif?width=1024&auto=webp&quality=50&crop=968%3A645%2Csmart

Were you ever a jogger or runner ? [I was]

Have you ever experiences the after affects
of running in smog ?

Wouldn't it be nice to breathe relatively clean air ?

Now, fix the power system. It's either going to happen
by evolution or revolution, but... it'll happen.

This is our pipe-cleaner project (test out SMR and see what
project cost and delivery are like). I doubt this is a realistic
plan, but at least it isn't a coal plant. Part of the fun
will be seeing what the cost overruns are like. Our last hydro
project here, was 70% over budget (making a visible bulge in
the area residents monthly power bill to pay it off).

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/smr-nuclear-power-provinces-canada-1.6399928

"Four provincial governments..."
"SMRs generate between 200 and 300 megawatts"

Total output is peanuts. But you have to start somewhere.

Paul

Frank

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Jun 19, 2022, 7:25:43 AMJun 19
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On 6/19/2022 6:23 AM, Jethro_uk wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 10:50:44 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>
> environmentalists were at the back of the queue for brains as far as I
> can see. Which will be a self limiting problem in the long term.

The huge mistake is letting politicians make technical decisions.

The Natural Philosopher

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Jun 19, 2022, 7:44:21 AMJun 19
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The huge mistake is in letting politicians make decisions. *We* should
make the decisions, the politicians should implement them.

--
"I guess a rattlesnake ain't risponsible fer bein' a rattlesnake, but ah
puts mah heel on um jess the same if'n I catches him around mah chillun".

Commander Kinsey

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Jun 19, 2022, 7:58:04 AMJun 19
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 12:20:49 +0100, Paul <nos...@needed.invalid> wrote:

> On 6/19/2022 5:50 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> I can't believe this. In a forum, I cannot convince someone of this very simple logic:
>>
>> Any addition to the power load is going to add fossil fuel consumption, as we already use all the wind and solar that can be generated. Imagine the electric cars we currently have went away, what would change in electricity generation? They'd have to generate less. They'd switch off some fossil fuel power stations, they certainly wouldn't turn off the cheaper to run solar and wind! Therefore the electric cars we currently have are burning fossil fuels!
>
> I know logic is not your strong suit, but the deal is,
> not everything in life is "synchronized for your delight".
>
> Technical developments occur independently of one another.
>
> Some areas of our society are backward, and can't keep up (power gen).
> We have to improve there.
>
> BEVs mean nothing to me, because I cannot afford one.
>
> But that does not mean I don't think they are essential
> to the future.

The future yes, but it's pointless making them a decade before we're using renewable energy.

> *******
>
> A disturbing trend here, is our ICE

That used to mean in car entertainment in a classified ad.

> fleet is "going backwards".
> The government stopped enforcing pollution controls. Nobody
> checks the emissions of cars.

Since you said petrol in the next line, I'm going to assume you're British. Er.... we have MOTs.

> When I drive a bicycle on the street now, I can *smell the petrol*.
> That's not supposed to happen. The invention of the three-way
> catalytic converter and stoichiometric combustion was
> supposed to stop that. All that is supposed to come out of
> a warmed-up car, is CO2 and H2O. The CO, the NOx, the VOC,
> is supposed to drop to close to zero.

No, it just reduces them. Whatever gave you the idea catalytic convertors were perfect? In fact when they engine is cold they're meant to make it worse.

> With no one to enforce these rules any more here (tards in
> the wheelhouse, so to speak), people just do whatever the
> fuck they feel like. Cut off the cat, put in a straight pipe.
> No one to enforce noise ordinances.

I was stopped recently for a tiny hole in my exhaust.

> Back when there were
> yearly inspections, a tech could put the car on a hoist
> and spot a missing cat.

Clearly you're not British, there is an annual MOT in the UK.

This MAY change to two years, but why shouldn't it?

> And then we look at the pathetic lines painted on the road.

Too many lines, especially those stupid cycle lanes. And round here to "prevent" people from going round a medium sized roundabout two at a time.

> If we can smell petrol at street level, that means we're
> violating our VOC rules. Then, on the other hand, local
> government sez "we can't use good paint on the street
> lines because of these VOC rules". Well, if the street
> is to smell of petrol all the time, why the fuck can't
> we have oil based paints again ? Come on, let your
> hair down and paint us some lines.

Petrol isn't harmful to inhale.

> https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/road-line-paint-ottawa-1.4783641
> https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/b-c-s-fading-road-markings-causing-concerns-1.1212091
>
> *******
>
> The invention of the BEV, means you *cannot cheat*.
> You cannot cut the catalytic converter off and insert
> a straight pipe. You cannot insert an electronic box to
> fool the pollution control system. Because the vehicle at
> street level, does not have petrol on board.
>
> That is worth something.
>
> Smog in Mumbai
> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQk24IAX4AEPE4v?format=jpg&name=900x900
>
> Smog in Beijing
> https://grist.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/beijing-smog-1.jpg
>
> Smog in Los Angeles (1975)
> https://miro.medium.com/max/1400/1*Y2Ev0QaEDbZeRIFPi7Qy3A.jpeg
>
> Smog in London
> https://static.standard.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2012/03/16/12/London%20smog.gif?width=1024&auto=webp&quality=50&crop=968%3A645%2Csmart
>
> Were you ever a jogger or runner ? [I was]
>
> Have you ever experiences the after affects
> of running in smog ?

I run in the countryside because I'm not a moron. I wouldn't run along hard pavements even if there were no cars.

Commander Kinsey

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Jun 19, 2022, 7:59:36 AMJun 19
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 12:44:13 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 19/06/2022 12:25, Frank wrote:
>> On 6/19/2022 6:23 AM, Jethro_uk wrote:
>>> On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 10:50:44 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can't believe this. In a forum, I cannot convince someone of this
>>>> very simple logic:
>>>>
>>>> Any addition to the power load is going to add fossil fuel consumption,
>>>> as we already use all the wind and solar that can be generated. Imagine
>>>> the electric cars we currently have went away, what would change in
>>>> electricity generation? They'd have to generate less. They'd switch off
>>>> some fossil fuel power stations, they certainly wouldn't turn off the
>>>> cheaper to run solar and wind! Therefore the electric cars we currently
>>>> have are burning fossil fuels!
>>>
>>> environmentalists were at the back of the queue for brains as far as I
>>> can see. Which will be a self limiting problem in the long term.
>>
>> The huge mistake is letting politicians make technical decisions.
>
> The huge mistake is in letting politicians make decisions. *We* should
> make the decisions, the politicians should implement them.

Indeed, in this century it would be easy for us to vote on every single matter.

Richard

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Jun 19, 2022, 8:27:43 AMJun 19
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On 19/06/2022 12:20, Paul wrote:
> On 6/19/2022 5:50 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> I can't believe this.  In a forum, I cannot convince someone of this
>> very simple logic:
>>
>> Any addition to the power load is going to add fossil fuel
>> consumption, as we already use all the wind and solar that can be
>> generated.  Imagine the electric cars we currently have went away,
>> what would change in electricity generation? They'd have to generate
>> less. They'd switch off some fossil fuel power stations, they
>> certainly wouldn't turn off the cheaper to run solar and wind!
>> Therefore the electric cars we currently have are burning fossil fuels!
>
> I know logic is not your strong suit, but the deal is,
> not everything in life is "synchronized for your delight".
>
> Technical developments occur independently of one another.
>
> Some areas of our society are backward, and can't keep up (power gen).
> We have to improve there.
>
> BEVs mean nothing to me, because I cannot afford one.
>
> But that does not mean I don't think they are essential
> to the future.
>
> *******
>
> A disturbing trend here, is our ICE fleet is "going backwards".
> The government stopped enforcing pollution controls. Nobody
> checks the emissions of cars.

In the UK they do.

>
> When I drive a bicycle on the street now, I can *smell the petrol*.
> That's not supposed to happen. The invention of the three-way
> catalytic converter and stoichiometric combustion was
> supposed to stop that. All that is supposed to come out of
> a warmed-up car, is CO2 and H2O. The CO, the NOx, the VOC,
> is supposed to drop to close to zero.

That's the benefit of living in America.

Ed Pawlowski

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Jun 19, 2022, 8:48:12 AMJun 19
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On 6/19/2022 7:44 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 19/06/2022 12:25, Frank wrote:
>> On 6/19/2022 6:23 AM, Jethro_uk wrote:
>>> On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 10:50:44 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can't believe this.  In a forum, I cannot convince someone of this
>>>> very simple logic:
>>>>
>>>> Any addition to the power load is going to add fossil fuel consumption,
>>>> as we already use all the wind and solar that can be generated.
>>>> Imagine
>>>> the electric cars we currently have went away, what would change in
>>>> electricity generation? They'd have to generate less. They'd switch off
>>>> some fossil fuel power stations, they certainly wouldn't turn off the
>>>> cheaper to run solar and wind! Therefore the electric cars we currently
>>>> have are burning fossil fuels!
>>>
>>> environmentalists were at the back of the queue for brains as far as I
>>> can see. Which will be a self limiting problem in the long term.
>>
>> The huge mistake is letting politicians make technical decisions.
>
> The huge mistake is in letting politicians make decisions. *We* should
> make the decisions, the politicians should implement them.
>

Who is "we"? There are a lot of idiots making dumb decisions. Just
look at the idiots "we"vote into congress. Technical issues are not
something to go to popular vote, lets get experts with some real knowledge.

The Natural Philosopher

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Jun 19, 2022, 8:53:13 AMJun 19
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That of course is what leads to massive corruption. Far fewer people to
buy to get what you want.

In the end it all boils down to whom you trust. Politician, expert or
common sense.

Common sense tells you its not getting warmer, and renewable energy
simply trebles your electricity bill.


--
It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.
Mark Twain


Ed Pawlowski

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Jun 19, 2022, 9:01:48 AMJun 19
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Common sense show it is getting warmer and renewable energy can reduce
your electric bill. Just look at the ice being lost every year at the
poles.

I buy a fix amount of my electric as solar generated. In the winter
with less sun I lose about $3 a month. In sunny months like now, I gain
$10 a month.

Peeler

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<FLUSH the subnormal sociopathic trolling attention whore's latest
attention-baiting sick bullshit unread again>

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make feeds him.
Starts many threads most of which die quick as on the UK groups anyone
with sense Kill filed him ages ago which is why he now cross posts to
the US groups for a new audience.
This thread was unusual in that it derived and continued without him
to a large extent and his silly questioning is an attempt to get
noticed again."
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You have been presented with a viewpoint with information, reasoning,
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Peeler

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Jun 19, 2022, 9:04:59 AMJun 19
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 10:23:17 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk, another mentally
deficient troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered:

> environmentalists were at the back of the queue for brains as far as I
> can see. Which will be a self limiting problem in the long term.

And troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE no. 1 came hopping along to feed the
trolling wanker and attention whore again! <BG>

Peeler

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Jun 19, 2022, 9:06:52 AMJun 19
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 11:48:16 +0100, Jack Harry Teesdale, yet another brain
damaged, troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered:

> As a matter of conjecture, that is only true for EV's charged in the
> daytime.

As a matter of conjecture, you are just another mentally deficient
troll-feeding senile asshole, senile twit!

Peeler

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Jun 19, 2022, 9:08:08 AMJun 19
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 04:13:49 -0700, T(wat), the idiotic trolling and
troll-feeding senile asshole, babbled again:


> That is why their other name is "Coal Powered Rolling
> Fire Bombs"

And that is why YOU are a miserable troll-feeding senile TWAT, T(wat)! <BG>

Peeler

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Jun 19, 2022, 9:09:34 AMJun 19
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 07:20:49 -0400, Paul, yet another troll-feeding senile
twit, babbled:


> I know logic is not your strong suit, but the deal is,
> not everything in life is "synchronized for your delight".

HIS delight is that he gets you senile assholes to feed him, every single
time he wants to be fed by one of you senile assholes!

trader_4

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Jun 19, 2022, 9:13:40 AMJun 19
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On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 5:50:54 AM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> I can't believe this. In a forum, I cannot convince someone of this very simple logic:
>
> Any addition to the power load is going to add fossil fuel consumption, as we already use all the wind and solar that can be generated. Imagine the electric cars we currently have went away, what would change in electricity generation? They'd have to generate less. They'd switch off some fossil fuel power stations, they certainly wouldn't turn off the cheaper to run solar and wind! Therefore the electric cars we currently have are burning fossil fuels!

This is obvious BS. You completely ignored nuclear power. We could generate all the electricity we
need from nuclear, we just need to do it. The problem is that the same folks that are telling us the world
is going to end soon from CO2 don't want nuclear, they claim it's not safe, bad for the environment.
Which makes no sense, because if climate change is going to doom the planet, then clearly nuclear
should be an acceptable alternative, one that could significantly reduce our CO2 in the short term.

Commander Kinsey

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Jun 19, 2022, 9:22:57 AMJun 19
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It's a tremendous benefit, not to have to waste money on your car every year when it's still running just fine.

Commander Kinsey

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Jun 19, 2022, 9:26:11 AMJun 19
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I agree we should be using nuclear, but that doesn't make what I said bullshit. Until there is clean power available, making electric cars is just burning more fossil fuels.

Commander Kinsey

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Jun 19, 2022, 9:26:43 AMJun 19
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 14:13:34 +0100, trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net> wrote:

I agree we should be using nuclear, but that doesn't make what I said bullshit. Until there is clean power available, making electric cars is just burning more fossil fuels.

Posted again since trader4 doesn't know how to operate a newsreader and deleted uk.d-i-y. Moron.

Commander Kinsey

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Jun 19, 2022, 9:27:58 AMJun 19
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Biassed bribed experts? No thanks. I'd rather have the idiot next door voting than some clown in parliament.

Anyway, we're all free to consult experts.

Commander Kinsey

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Jun 19, 2022, 9:29:14 AMJun 19
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fewer_versus_less
"this rule does not correctly describe the most common usage of today or the past and in fact arose as an incorrect generalization of a personal preference expressed by a grammarian in 1770"

> people to buy to get what you want.
>
> In the end it all boils down to who you trust. Politician, expert or
> common sense.
>
> Common sense tells you its not getting warmer, and renewable energy
> simply trebles your electricity bill.

They claim renewable is 5p/kWh. Funny how that is not what I'm paying.

John Doe

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Commander Kinsey

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Jun 19, 2022, 9:31:09 AMJun 19
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I have senses, I can tell the temperature when I go outside. It's the same as it always has been.

> and renewable energy can reduce your electric bill.

It most certainly does not, I used to be able to choose green energy form my supplier, it cost more. They had green, standard, and nuclear. I chose nuclear as it was the cheapest.

> Just look at the ice being lost every year at the poles.

I don't live there, I don't care.

> I buy a fix amount of my electric as solar generated. In the winter
> with less sun I lose about $3 a month. In sunny months like now, I gain
> $10 a month.

Wow, you must be really rich.

Peeler

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Jun 19, 2022, 9:40:42 AMJun 19
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 06:13:34 -0700 (PDT), tardo_4, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered again:


> This is obvious BS.

No, tardo_4, it's another troll set out by the attention-starved Scottish
wanker and sociopath for all the troll-feeding senile assholes on ahr! <BG>


Edward Hernandez

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Jun 19, 2022, 10:17:46 AMJun 19
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In message-id <t6nt3e$7bp$3...@dont-email.me>
(http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=165357273000) posted Thu, 26 May 2022
12:50:54 -0000 (UTC) John Doe stated:

> Always Wrong, the utterly foulmouthed group idiot, adding absolutely
> NOTHING but insults to this thread, as usual...

Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
USENET (**) has been 61.9% of its posts contributing "nothing except
insults" to USENET.

** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe has posted at
least 1945 articles to USENET. Of which 173 have been pure insults and
1031 have been John Doe "troll format" postings.

The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sdhn7c$pkp$4...@dont-email.me>:

> The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sg3kr7$qt5$1...@dont-email.me>:

> The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
> breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
> CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly
formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
Sun, 19 Jun 2022 13:29:59 GMT in message-id
<rxFrK.346221$%OV1....@usenetxs.com>).

NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
readers who happen by to point out that Troll Doe does not even follow
the rules it uses to troll other posters.

B2/HrjSqQMrw

Frank

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Jun 19, 2022, 10:26:53 AMJun 19
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He is just parroting what his liberal leaders tell him.

Frank

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Jun 19, 2022, 10:29:30 AMJun 19
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The same crowd that wants to eliminate fossil fuels does not want
nuclear and work just as hard to keep it out.

Brian Gaff

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Jun 19, 2022, 10:57:15 AMJun 19
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That is one view, certainly. That is why we need to get rid of non
renewable. The problem is that the market for Electric cars has built up
fast, but the ability to generate from renewable takes time and of course is
not available all the time, meaning we need a back up.
Yesterday I watched a programme about electric aircraft that used hydrogen
fuel cells for cruise, but batteries at take off. So how are they making
this hydrogen, I said to the TV, but nobody told me. Its a quite energy
intensive job at the moment of course, so until its not, I fear they are
never going to be able to use fuel cells, never mind the problem of their
inefficiency, producing heat as a by product of converting hydrogen into
water and electricity, but using oxygen from the air of course.
Brian

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Peeler

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Jun 19, 2022, 11:31:34 AMJun 19
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 15:57:08 +0100, Brainless & Daft, the notorious,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again:

> That is one view, certainly.

Yes, YOU were still missing on the long list of troll-feeding senile
assholes in this thread, you miserable disgusting troll-feeding senile
cretin! Where have you been so long? You are usually among the first to feed
the clinically insane trolling attention whore. <G>

Peeler

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On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 10:26:45 -0400, REAL dumb Frankie Boi blathered again:


> He is just parroting what his liberal leaders tell him.

Says the senile Trumptard to the trolling attention whore who has the
"brain" of a parrot! Fucking stupid senile assholes in this poor newsgroup.
<BG>

Peeler

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On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 10:29:22 -0400, REAL dumb Frankie Boi blathered again:


> The same crowd that wants to eliminate fossil fuels does not want
> nuclear and work just as hard to keep it out.

What's this shit now about, REAL dumb senile Frankie Boi? Simply babbling
away in your senile manner, you troll-feeding senile shithead?

T

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rbowman

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Jun 19, 2022, 12:16:15 PMJun 19
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On 06/19/2022 05:59 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 12:44:13 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
> <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 19/06/2022 12:25, Frank wrote:
>>> On 6/19/2022 6:23 AM, Jethro_uk wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 10:50:44 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I can't believe this. In a forum, I cannot convince someone of this
>>>>> very simple logic:
>>>>>
>>>>> Any addition to the power load is going to add fossil fuel
>>>>> consumption,
>>>>> as we already use all the wind and solar that can be generated.
>>>>> Imagine
>>>>> the electric cars we currently have went away, what would change in
>>>>> electricity generation? They'd have to generate less. They'd switch
>>>>> off
>>>>> some fossil fuel power stations, they certainly wouldn't turn off the
>>>>> cheaper to run solar and wind! Therefore the electric cars we
>>>>> currently
>>>>> have are burning fossil fuels!
>>>>
>>>> environmentalists were at the back of the queue for brains as far as I
>>>> can see. Which will be a self limiting problem in the long term.
>>>
>>> The huge mistake is letting politicians make technical decisions.
>>
>> The huge mistake is in letting politicians make decisions. *We* should
>> make the decisions, the politicians should implement them.
>
> Indeed, in this century it would be easy for us to vote on every single
> matter.

Are you sure you want that? In this country 81 million people allegedly
voted for a senile politician who was incompetent on the best day of his
career.

rbowman

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Jun 19, 2022, 12:25:10 PMJun 19
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On 06/19/2022 06:48 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/19/2022 7:44 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 19/06/2022 12:25, Frank wrote:
>>> On 6/19/2022 6:23 AM, Jethro_uk wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 10:50:44 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I can't believe this. In a forum, I cannot convince someone of this
>>>>> very simple logic:
>>>>>
>>>>> Any addition to the power load is going to add fossil fuel
>>>>> consumption,
>>>>> as we already use all the wind and solar that can be generated.
>>>>> Imagine
>>>>> the electric cars we currently have went away, what would change in
>>>>> electricity generation? They'd have to generate less. They'd switch
>>>>> off
>>>>> some fossil fuel power stations, they certainly wouldn't turn off the
>>>>> cheaper to run solar and wind! Therefore the electric cars we
>>>>> currently
>>>>> have are burning fossil fuels!
>>>>
>>>> environmentalists were at the back of the queue for brains as far as I
>>>> can see. Which will be a self limiting problem in the long term.
>>>
>>> The huge mistake is letting politicians make technical decisions.
>>
>> The huge mistake is in letting politicians make decisions. *We* should
>> make the decisions, the politicians should implement them.
>>
>
> Who is "we"? There are a lot of idiots making dumb decisions. Just
> look at the idiots "we"vote into congress. Technical issues are not
> something to go to popular vote, lets get experts with some real knowledge.

That has its problems also.

https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/theeconomists.htm

400 Ph.D economists, including Yellen, and none of them saw inflation as
the outcome of pouring money into the economy?

The Natural Philosopher

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Jun 19, 2022, 12:31:26 PMJun 19
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Ice is being gained at the south pole

> I buy a fix amount of my electric as solar generated.  In the winter
> with less sun I lose about $3 a month.  In sunny months like now, I gain
> $10 a month.

Numpty


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The Natural Philosopher

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Jun 19, 2022, 12:32:13 PMJun 19
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No one had any better choice.

The Natural Philosopher

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Jun 19, 2022, 12:33:18 PMJun 19
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On 19/06/2022 15:57, Brian Gaff wrote:
> That is one view, certainly. That is why we need to get rid of non
> renewable. The problem is that the market for Electric cars has built up
> fast, but the ability to generate from renewable takes time and of course is
> not available all the time, meaning we need a back up.
Deluded.

> Yesterday I watched a programme

So you aren't really blind after all.

about electric aircraft that used hydrogen
> fuel cells for cruise, but batteries at take off. So how are they making
> this hydrogen, I said to the TV, but nobody told me. Its a quite energy
> intensive job at the moment of course, so until its not, I fear they are
> never going to be able to use fuel cells, never mind the problem of their
> inefficiency, producing heat as a by product of converting hydrogen into
> water and electricity, but using oxygen from the air of course.
> Brian
>


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rbowman

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Jun 19, 2022, 12:35:43 PMJun 19
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On 06/19/2022 07:01 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/19/2022 8:53 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 19/06/2022 13:48, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 6/19/2022 7:44 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 19/06/2022 12:25, Frank wrote:
>>>>> On 6/19/2022 6:23 AM, Jethro_uk wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 10:50:44 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can't believe this. In a forum, I cannot convince someone of this
>>>>>>> very simple logic:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any addition to the power load is going to add fossil fuel
>>>>>>> consumption,
>>>>>>> as we already use all the wind and solar that can be generated.
>>>>>>> Imagine
>>>>>>> the electric cars we currently have went away, what would change in
>>>>>>> electricity generation? They'd have to generate less. They'd
>>>>>>> switch off
>>>>>>> some fossil fuel power stations, they certainly wouldn't turn off
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> cheaper to run solar and wind! Therefore the electric cars we
>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>>> have are burning fossil fuels!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> environmentalists were at the back of the queue for brains as far
>>>>>> as I
>>>>>> can see. Which will be a self limiting problem in the long term.
>>>>>
>>>>> The huge mistake is letting politicians make technical decisions.
>>>>
>>>> The huge mistake is in letting politicians make decisions. *We*
>>>> should make the decisions, the politicians should implement them.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Who is "we"? There are a lot of idiots making dumb decisions. Just
>>> look at the idiots "we"vote into congress. Technical issues are not
>>> something to go to popular vote, lets get experts with some real
>>> knowledge.
>>
>> That of course is what leads to massive corruption. Far fewer people
>> to buy to get what you want.
>>
>> In the end it all boils down to whom you trust. Politician, expert or
>> common sense.
>>
>> Common sense tells you its not getting warmer, and renewable energy
>> simply trebles your electricity bill.
>>
>>
> Common sense show it is getting warmer and renewable energy can reduce
> your electric bill. Just look at the ice being lost every year at the
> poles.
>
> I buy a fix amount of my electric as solar generated. In the winter
> with less sun I lose about $3 a month. In sunny months like now, I gain
> $10 a month.

You live in Florida down around N28.5, right?

https://www.currentresults.com/Weather/Florida/annual-days-of-sunshine.php


Peeler

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On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 10:16:08 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> Are you sure you want that?

Yep, he sure wants you to CONTINUE sucking him off passionately, you
abnormal troll cock sucking old whore!

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Peeler

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On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 10:35:35 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> You live in Florida down around N28.5, right?

You happy that your Scottish wanker is back for you to suck him off again,
you devoted cocksucking old whore? <G>

Peeler

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On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 10:25:03 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> That has its problems also.

Your one big problem is your big mouth, senile cocksucker!

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